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    Re: 9/11 anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post

    Neither fringe elements does their respective religions any good service and therefore are equally as bad as each other.

    Not even close, the point wasn't about the credit they give each other but which one is more dangerous to our ways of life... Nice try though!

    There is no talking to crackpots like you who not only display their lack of intelligence every time they open their gob but also their lack of tolerance towards their fellow man.

    Let me translate: You are right and I don't have the berries to admit it so I will insult you... It's okay, I accept that.

    Two wonderful Christian fringe traits!
    Yup... So now I will pack up and go fire my M16 off in church, you know, since that is a plague going around the USA these days!!


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    By the way... You didnt answer Grims question and I thought it was extremely insightful for this...

    "You are talking extremists that may claim to be conservatives, but conservative don't claim them. Do you liberals embrace the Black Panthers, the Black Liberation Front, and the Weather Underground?"

    Do you? Those are the exact opposite of the KKK,The Army of God, Lambs of Christ etc... Why did you not mention them? Okay to make that connection for the right but not for the left??? Interesting....

    You see the hypocrisy???

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    Quote Originally Posted by danrush1966 View Post
    I'll just be blunt, if Islam doesn't undergo a transformation within a decade or less, nuclear destruction will be at the Arab's door. Why we didn't use that option on 9/11 to send them as clear a message as possible I don't know.
    Because we're better than that.

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    Re: 9/11 anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    btw grim, sometimes when we say off, it's done in a friendly way. (maybe I should have put a smiley after it?)
    Lol. Foreigners are always shocked at that one. "Get ed" and "Fuck off" can be used in a friendly way in 'stralian.


    "Hey, I'm coming to visit you in Australia!"

    "Get ed! Fuck off!"

    *shocked silence*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    You're all too eager for me to post my answers to your ridiculous replies
    Ridiculous?

    You claim that Christian fundamentalists are not only on the increase, but that they pose the same danger as radical Islam, but haven't posted anything that backs that up.

    You also claim that the op-ed's posted to start this thread, constitute proof, when neither of them are anything but opinion. Hell, one of them doesn't even imply it in the first place.

    When I asked you to give me some examples since 9/11, of violent attacks by Christian fundamentalists, you post a link to a guy who set off 3 bombs, the last of which was 3 years prior to 9/11. After you posted that link, you said, and I quote "There's plenty to choose from". Well, lets see them?

    I tell you what, just match these and we'll go from there:

    Islamic insurgents kill 3 Buddhist men

    Christians attacked Muslim gang

    Islamic Fundamentalists Murder Four School children

    UK: Violence erupts after Mosque Chief orders attack on protesters

    Chinese Muslims Stab 400 Infidels with Needles

    Oh btw... Did I mention that all those links, were attacks that took place during just the last week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Ridiculous?

    You claim that Christian fundamentalists are not only on the increase, but that they pose the same danger as radical Islam, but haven't posted anything that backs that up.

    You also claim that the op-ed's posted to start this thread, constitute proof, when neither of them are anything but opinion. Hell, one of them doesn't even imply it in the first place.

    When I asked you to give me some examples since 9/11, of violent attacks by Christian fundamentalists, you post a link to a guy who set off 3 bombs, the last of which was 3 years prior to 9/11. After you posted that link, you said, and I quote "There's plenty to choose from". Well, lets see them?

    I tell you what, just match these and we'll go from there:

    Islamic insurgents kill 3 Buddhist men

    Christians attacked Muslim gang

    Islamic Fundamentalists Murder Four School children

    UK: Violence erupts after Mosque Chief orders attack on protesters

    Chinese Muslims Stab 400 Infidels with Needles

    Oh btw... Did I mention that all those links, were attacks that took place during just the last week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazza View Post
    Lol. Foreigners are always shocked at that one. "Get ed" and "Fuck off" can be used in a friendly way in 'stralian.


    "Hey, I'm coming to visit you in Australia!"

    "Get ed! Fuck off!"

    *shocked silence*
    Well... We don't know your slang. Fuck off here means exactly that. If you tell someone that here, you will probably get a right cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roo View Post
    More people have been killed by officially atheistic secular nations than in all the religious wars in history. The Soviet Union under Stalin killed up to 30 million of their own people, Red China under Mao killed up to 60 million of their own people. As far as equating all religious fundamentalists as equal in threat is not grounded in reality. In the United States probably half of the members of any fundamentalist movement are probably in the FBI. The real threat and an increasing one is the Islamic Fundamentalist worldwide movement, especially as our short sighted president has gone out of his way to hamstring our intelligence agencies in this country to be able to thwart coming attacks. Remember those 40 rebels in Algeria that died of bubonic plague a couple of months back?

    Obviously you and others have long forgotten the virtual annihilation of the original owners of this land we now call america; the Native Americans of many tribes. A vast number of human beings with spirits and souls such as we.
    Many sought to accomodate the white man [race] when it ventured into this country and were friendly and taught survival skills that they knew.
    In return, they were murdered and massacred and those that wer left were sentenced to life on reservations. The property boundaries dictated by their white vanquishers. Then, for many, they were often relocated, again and again. As land that they were originally deeded was found to contain gold, oil, coal or some other material that suited the greedy appetite of whites. They were SUPPOSEDLY "given" land; today, the state that is called Oklahoma, for a permanent indian nation; as long as the sky was blue and grass grew green. Then, these proclaimed christian whites deemed it fit to prosecute a land rush, read take-over, invasion of this land. It was and has been never ening. What were not massacred and murdered today remain on these sadly small parcels of land. Their white vanquishers have built large cities, mansions and a teeming number of homes on what once was the property of these people. Places a=such as the Black Hills of South Dakota that were once, and still are, sacred grounds to theses abrigional peoples was desecrated by having the faces of white men carved into the southern-most mountain face.
    Other than this mass murder episode; the annihilation of a nation of people and the stealing of their land, lest we remember the so called Civil War and recall that since, with ALL of the other wars americans have fought in and those killed and maimed, the number still does not equate the total of killed and maimed. All in another venture deemed a noble cause. But, was not the propaganda of race that was publicized, but the desire to possess resources of the agricultural South to feed the thriving industrial revolution of the North and the textile mills that were hungry for the cotton of the south.
    If there is such a thing as Karma, it seems as though our country is still in the process of settling the score of equation to balance our bad karma with our good.
    Seeing as how we are a capitalist country which dictates that our footing is based on the almighty dollar and all else comes way beyond second or third in importance and moral consideration, it seems that it will be a long time coming and the evolution of many, many generations to flush the evil of greed, avrice, from out of our national fabric.
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    Re: 9/11 anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by cheapest-price-viagra View Post

    go yourself!
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    Seeing as how we are a capitalist country which dictates that our footing is based on the almighty dollar and all else comes way beyond second or third in importance and moral consideration, it seems that it will be a long time coming and the evolution of many, many generations to flush the evil of greed, avrice, from out of our national fabric.
    And when you give back everything you've made from this country you despise and go to the rotten socialist/Islamic nation of your choice, we can begin to rebuild our national fabric with people who deserve to be here.

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    quote:\\ danrush1966:"I'll just be blunt, if Islam doesn't undergo a transformation within a decade or less, nuclear destruction will be at the Arab's door. Why we didn't use that option on 9/11 to send them as clear a message as possible I don't know."

    The sober message is that we will not be able to destroy this Islamist Extremist cancer unless we resort to their tactics.
    Afghanistan is NOT winable unless we cease to be concerned regarding innocents killed in war circumstances, such as the bombings of the two hijacked gasoline tankers.
    We would not have been victorious in WW2 in the european and pacific theaters if we paused to wring our hands and be regretful at every occasion of the death and maiming of innocents.
    The extremist have demonstrated a severe and deadly serious message to us: we have to fight them, attack them as they demonstrate that they are willing and inclined to do so to others. To think that we will succeed, otherwise, is obviously folly.
    As for the nuclear solution, the nation of Iran; Islamist, are feverishly working on a nuclear weapon while all the while operating a ruse that they are just seeking a peaceful and affordable form of electrical generating power.
    It doesn't take anyone with a degree in science or anywhere near that sort of intelligence to equate their effort to their ambition and desire to manufacture such weapons.
    It seems as though, in heeding the above deadly serious message that it would be fitting to notify the Iranian people at large to pack up and leave the area, as far away as they can get from ground zero. Which is determined by the present facility wherein this ambitious undertaking is being carried out and just vaporize it!
    Otherwise, as we 9/11, we will awake some morning to find that the maniacs have launched 20 or 30, or so, of these weapons against us, Europe and the Soviet Republic and it will be too late to react. And again.
    The question continues to loom down through the years to present: why is it that human beings of different lands and beliefs think that they can justly and reasonably represent the God of their belief by the murdering and maiming of others that just want to be left alone and get on with their lives?
    The only logical answer to this will continue to come from ignorant, destructive and demented zealots who have no other purpose to gain and live this life than their sole purpose of harm and destuction on and of others, obviously merely for the insane and sadistic enjoyment and satisfaction of same.
    Last edited by coontie; 09-11-2009 at 12:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danrush1966 View Post
    And when you give back everything you've made from this country you despise and go to the rotten socialist/Islamic nation of your choice, we can begin to rebuild our national fabric with people who deserve to be here.

    You off! I am a Vietnam Veteran, law abiding citizen, many a year's taxpayer, registered voter and contributor to many years of POSTIVE contribution to the well-being of this nation. As well, a Christian, by belief, although I've matured and gained a great deal of sensibility in this regard. In a manner of speaking find it loathe to qualify myself as being any better or worthy than others, including agnostics and atheist and all of the other religious ideals. Because, other than human's greedy and egotistical ways, religion is where we virtually ALL are inclined to go absolutely nuts, with the exception of those that come to recognize the fallacy of such...
    I believe that I have the right and sensibility to observe and sum up the cancer that is the blight on this country.
    All of the failed businesses that we are witnessing today are just merely the consequences of what I have expressed in regard to the baggage that comes with out of control and rampant greed and avarice that comes with the extremist circumstances of capitalism.
    So you go to hell and you go there to an Islamist country since you think to think it is fitting to suggest that another go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    Obviously you and others have long forgotten the virtual annihilation of the original owners of this land we now call america; the Native Americans of many tribes. A vast number of human beings with spirits and souls such as we...
    You may want to check recent facts about the original owners of the Americas...

    http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html

    Still open in the courts as of today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleP View Post
    You may want to check recent facts about the original owners of the Americas...

    http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html

    Still open in the courts as of today...
    Why should I? Just more contrived propaganda and bullshit to deny the loathsome tendencies and ambitions of a race that deemed itself as superior to these Indians, thereby seeing this as fitting to justify their crimes and stealing of others lands and destruction of an entire culture as well as the debacle of an unjust war prosecuted against states for ambitions and intentions other than as stated, as well as reasonable or honorable.
    National Geographic just aired a special on television wherein it was demonstrated scientifically, through genetic tracking, that the aboriginal peoples designated as "american indians" [by the white man] were proven to be the FIRST to have populated the continent which today is designated North American, Central America, South America and Puerto Rico. All the same bloodline. However, after arrival in these areas over the land bridges of the time, these same people evolved into their different and various cultures.
    Look it up; it was aired just several days ago.
    Anyhow, they didn't come here in ships such as their white invaders, that came by walking over a land-bridge. Formed by the lowering of sea-level due to frozen water of the ice-age.
    And that was many thousands of years ago... Oh yes, and lest you think otherwise, I am a blond-haired blue-eyed caucasian of norwegian descent, of immigrants thrice removed from the present day. So don't be mislead with the tone of my remarks, thinking that I am African American, Middle Eastern or the likes, wherein you seek to condemn and negate my remarks, as is often the ploy of those that seek to justify some lame position.
    What the message is here in all of this is that we humans need to recognize is that the hand that bears the finger that is pointing at the others while we recite their crimes and barbaric and cruel ways and recognize that there are simultaneously three finger that are point back at us. Therefore, it is a serious flaw on the human condition which we all should work earnestly to rid ourselves of. I doubt in my lifetime that I will realize this circumstance, sadly. And I have seen far too much of it oin the time I have walked this earth.
    Anyway, nice banter for today. I'm finished and need to move on. Besides, for my part, nothing more I feel inclined or moved to express.
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    You off! I am a Vietnam Veteran

    My father is a Vietnam Veteran. Vietnam was lost because of the politicans and red diaper doper baby assholes who now hold the power in Washington D.C. and are killing my Generation because they can't fight a war worth a !

    You had it won my friend, you have nothing to be ashamed of even North Vietnamese commander Giap admitted twice that the North Vietnamese were ed after Tet and Linebacker II. We lost South Vietnam thanks to the leftist liberal ass holes!

    I hate this war like you and like you I feel there's only two ways to end it, pull the out or go all the way and brutally destroy the cradle of Islam and all those who a carpet.

    Pulling out isn't an option nor is this half assed bull shit we're doing now. Vietnam sucked and this one twice as sucks so don't get pissed at me, go tell Obama and the maniacs in Congress to go themselves or fight to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danrush1966 View Post
    You off! I am a Vietnam Veteran

    My father is a Vietnam Veteran. Vietnam was lost because of the politicans and red diaper doper baby assholes who now hold the power in Washington D.C. and are killing my Generation because they can't fight a war worth a !

    You had it won my friend, you have nothing to be ashamed of even North Vietnamese commander Giap admitted twice that the North Vietnamese were ed after Tet and Linebacker II. We lost South Vietnam thanks to the leftist liberal ass holes!

    I hate this war like you and like you I feel there's only two ways to end it, pull the out or go all the way and brutally destroy the cradle of Islam and all those who a carpet.

    Pulling out isn't an option nor is this half assed bull shit we're doing now. Vietnam sucked and this one twice as sucks so don't get pissed at me, go tell Obama and the maniacs in Congress to go themselves or fight to win.
    So why aren't you suited up and over there fighting them right now, in Afghansitan, since you're so lathered up and anxious to prosecute your personal vendeta on the Islamist.
    What's your excuse?
    Oh, if it's that's you're too young, you have no right in this debate. Otherwise, wait patiently, just another few years and you can go there. Because, we will still be there then.
    And, you're not paying attention, obviously, because your brain is obviously scrambled by political party mind-speak wherein you can get past the haze of your political brain-washing and heed what I said in respect to the fact that we will NOT be victorious of these extremist, in regard to their brutal and blood-thirsty bent to wreak murder and havoc on us, UNTIL, we resort to their methods. Which I don't believe the majority of people of our country or the free world desire or have the appetite for.
    Has nothing to do with liberals or the likes - I know you like to express such learned diatribe. Because it seems familiar and comfortable to you. But really just makes people like you like some stupid wind-up machine, that doesn't have to think about the meaning of what it says, because it is just mindless, prerecorded crap-speak.
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