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    9/11 anniversary

    As we approach another 9/11 anniversary, it's the perfect time to remember exactly what caused that outrageous act. In a word -- fundamentalism. But not just any kind of fundamentalism, but the kind that has gotten more people killed over the ages than any other; religious fundamentalism. And it's a good time to remember that no particular religious sect has the market cornered on this cancer.

    On 9/11 Islamic fundamentalist acted out their version of "we're right and either you agree or....." The "or" in that case was "or you're dead."

    In Israel it's the Jewish fundamentalist who keep the killing alive, using millennial-old biblical title reports to claim lands that belong to others, because that's the way their god wants it.

    In Bosnia Christians and Muslims are just waiting for the day international peacekeepers leave so they can get back to killing one another in the name of their gods.


    (Editor's note to English majors out there: Yes, I know god is supposed to capitalized, so don't email me about it. If there is a god I am sure he/she/it prefers I use lower-case when talking about these morons.)


    Meanwhile, back here in the USofA we have our own batch of religious nuts itching for trouble. The media has decided not to call this movement what it is -- subversive -- but rather has graced it with a name that insinuates legitimacy, dubbing it a "culture war." Well it's not a culture war any more than "culture" was on the mind of the right wing nut who shot up the Holocaust Museum a few months ago, or Timothy McVeigh when he blew up the federal building in Kansas City.

    But before America's religious fundamentalists can drag this country all the way back to the dark ages, they first need to raise and train a generation primed to fight, and if necessary die, in religious combat. Because when it comes to religious fundamentalists, you really are either "with them or against them." They are not interested in nuance -- (unless of course it's the kind of "nuance" that's the hallmark of self-serving biblical interpretation.)

    Here's excerpts from two pieces that got me going this morning and links to the full content.

    Have a nice day.
    Steve


    Bill Moyers: Mr. President, We Need a Fighter to Take on the Deranged Right-Wing

    The editors of The Economist magazine say America's health care debate has become a touch delirious, with people accusing each other of being evil-mongers, dealers in death, and un-American.

    Well, that's charitable. I would say it's more deranged than delirious, and definitely not un-American.

    Those crackpots on the right praying for Obama to die and be sent to hell — they're the warp and woof of home-grown nuttiness. So is the creature from the Second Amendment who showed up at the President's rally armed to the teeth. He's certainly one of us. Red, white, and blue kooks are as American as apple pie and conspiracy theories.

    (Full column) http://www.alternet.org/story/142461/


    An Army of Home-Schooled "Christian Soldiers" On a Mission to "Take Back America for God"
    By Robert Kunzman, Beacon Press -- September 7, 2009

    Generation Joshua and “A Few Good Soldiers”
    The vast majority of forum participants agree that the Founding Fathers intended for the United States to operate according to Christian principles, and many cite political speeches by these men that urged a strong link between government, religious devotion, and Christian morality (the GenJ Web site itself provides a page of over forty such quotes). GenJers recognize freedom of religion as a pillar of American democracy, but don’t see this conflicting with their desire for laws that reflect Christian convictions on topics such as abortion, same-sex marriage, religious references in public displays and the Pledge of Allegiance, and so on. The United States can (and should) be governed by principles of Christian morality, they contend, as long as no one forces people to be Christians.

    Approximately 90 percent of GenJers are homeschoolers, so it’s not surprising that threads weighing various forms of schooling would be popular. “Public schools are quite simply humanist churches,” one student writes. Another charges that public schools “have become the Enemy’s tool of indoctrination and demoralization of today’s society.”

    (Full column) http://www.alternet.org/story/142384/

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    Re: 9/11 anniversary

    After so many years passed.what is the new development in the terrorism attacked that shocked the whole world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask View Post
    As we approach another 9/11 anniversary, it's the perfect time to remember exactly what caused that outrageous act. In a word -- fundamentalism. But not just any kind of fundamentalism, but the kind that has gotten more people killed over the ages than any other; religious fundamentalism. And it's a good time to remember that no particular religious sect has the market cornered on this cancer.

    On 9/11 Islamic fundamentalist acted out their version of "we're right and either you agree or....." The "or" in that case was "or you're dead."

    In Israel it's the Jewish fundamentalist who keep the killing alive, using millennial-old biblical title reports to claim lands that belong to others, because that's the way their god wants it.

    In Bosnia Christians and Muslims are just waiting for the day international peacekeepers leave so they can get back to killing one another in the name of their gods.


    (Editor's note to English majors out there: Yes, I know god is supposed to capitalized, so don't email me about it. If there is a god I am sure he/she/it prefers I use lower-case when talking about these morons.)


    Meanwhile, back here in the USofA we have our own batch of religious nuts itching for trouble. The media has decided not to call this movement what it is -- subversive -- but rather has graced it with a name that insinuates legitimacy, dubbing it a "culture war." Well it's not a culture war any more than "culture" was on the mind of the right wing nut who shot up the Holocaust Museum a few months ago, or Timothy McVeigh when he blew up the federal building in Kansas City.

    But before America's religious fundamentalists can drag this country all the way back to the dark ages, they first need to raise and train a generation primed to fight, and if necessary die, in religious combat. Because when it comes to religious fundamentalists, you really are either "with them or against them." They are not interested in nuance -- (unless of course it's the kind of "nuance" that's the hallmark of self-serving biblical interpretation.)

    Here's excerpts from two pieces that got me going this morning and links to the full content.

    Have a nice day.
    Steve


    Bill Moyers: Mr. President, We Need a Fighter to Take on the Deranged Right-Wing

    The editors of The Economist magazine say America's health care debate has become a touch delirious, with people accusing each other of being evil-mongers, dealers in death, and un-American.

    Well, that's charitable. I would say it's more deranged than delirious, and definitely not un-American.

    Those crackpots on the right praying for Obama to die and be sent to hell — they're the warp and woof of home-grown nuttiness. So is the creature from the Second Amendment who showed up at the President's rally armed to the teeth. He's certainly one of us. Red, white, and blue kooks are as American as apple pie and conspiracy theories.

    (Full column) http://www.alternet.org/story/142461/


    An Army of Home-Schooled "Christian Soldiers" On a Mission to "Take Back America for God"
    By Robert Kunzman, Beacon Press -- September 7, 2009

    Generation Joshua and “A Few Good Soldiers”
    The vast majority of forum participants agree that the Founding Fathers intended for the United States to operate according to Christian principles, and many cite political speeches by these men that urged a strong link between government, religious devotion, and Christian morality (the GenJ Web site itself provides a page of over forty such quotes). GenJers recognize freedom of religion as a pillar of American democracy, but don’t see this conflicting with their desire for laws that reflect Christian convictions on topics such as abortion, same-sex marriage, religious references in public displays and the Pledge of Allegiance, and so on. The United States can (and should) be governed by principles of Christian morality, they contend, as long as no one forces people to be Christians.

    Approximately 90 percent of GenJers are homeschoolers, so it’s not surprising that threads weighing various forms of schooling would be popular. “Public schools are quite simply humanist churches,” one student writes. Another charges that public schools “have become the Enemy’s tool of indoctrination and demoralization of today’s society.”

    (Full column) http://www.alternet.org/story/142384/
    Great post!! Spot on!
    Now quit your yappin!! :2gunsfiring_v1:

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    Ready for the real punch-line?

    obama, incomprehensible maggot that he is, chose 9/11 as his Day of Community Service or some such tripe. You know, instead of the one day to remember the victims of this massive attack on our own soil.

    Most don't know about this. I wonder how this will affect his rapidly waning popularity?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask View Post
    As we approach another 9/11 anniversary, it's the perfect time to remember exactly what caused that outrageous act. In a word -- fundamentalism. But not just any kind of fundamentalism, but the kind that has gotten more people killed over the ages than any other; religious fundamentalism. And it's a good time to remember that no particular religious sect has the market cornered on this cancer.

    On 9/11 Islamic fundamentalist acted out their version of "we're right and either you agree or....." The "or" in that case was "or you're dead."

    In Israel it's the Jewish fundamentalist who keep the killing alive, using millennial-old biblical title reports to claim lands that belong to others, because that's the way their god wants it.

    In Bosnia Christians and Muslims are just waiting for the day international peacekeepers leave so they can get back to killing one another in the name of their gods.
    What a bunch of crap.

    I will agree with the author, that religious fundamentalism has been responsible more people being murdered in the history of the world than anything else, but that's about all I agree with in that piece.

    How can anyone of sound mind and any measure of intellect, ignore the reality of the world we live in today, like the author of that piece just did? His attempt to equate the violence and bloodshed of Islamic fundamentalism, with that of Christian and Jewish fundamentalism, is ridiculous, as well as intellectually dishonest. It's like comparing Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler when discussing mass murders.

    The threat of violent attack posed by Christian and Jewish fundamentalists today, is nearly non-existent. The author way over-exaggerated their danger and everyone (except the nuts that subscribe to this garbage) knows this.

    Meanwhile, the bodies continue to pile up world wide, as a direct result of Jihad attacks carried out by Islamic extremists. In the last 2 months alone, they have been responsible for the deaths of over 600 people, 131 of which were murdered in the last week... A level of violence you would have never fathomed based on reading this article.

    I wish someone could help me to understand, why this writer would so blatantly misrepresent the level of danger posed by these religions?

    Is it because he hates Christians and Jews with such passion, that he tries to convince people they are just as violent and dangerous as Islamic extremists are?

    Is it because he wants people to forget that Muslims are responsible for 99.99999% of the deaths caused by terrorism, and instead wants them to blame religion in general?

    Or is this simply a case of unhinged, extreme, far left liberalism, where he sees the people of the middle east (Muslims) as the innocent victims of western (American/Christian and Israeli/Jewish) aggression, therefore actually believes the shit he writes?


    Meanwhile, back here in the USofA we have our own batch of religious nuts itching for trouble. The media has decided not to call this movement what it is -- subversive -- but rather has graced it with a name that insinuates legitimacy, dubbing it a "culture war." Well it's not a culture war any more than "culture" was on the mind of the right wing nut who shot up the Holocaust Museum a few months ago, or Timothy McVeigh when he blew up the federal building in Kansas City.
    Can you say "Unhinged Liberal Kook"... I knew you could.

    Once again, this guy uses lies and distortion to make his progressive fantasy world come to life. He wants everyone to believe that conservatism breads violent behavior, so therefore conservatives are dangerous to society.

    He would like you to believe that the man responsible for the shooting at Holocaust Museum, was motivated by politics and ideological beliefs. Then of course there's the truth. The actual reason that man opened fire at that museum, is because he's a racist who had a life long hatred for Jews, who on that day decided to take a few out. It had nothing to do with political beliefs.

    Then there's his lame attempt to tie Timothy McVeigh to both religious and conservative beliefs. The problem with that is, Timothy McVeigh wasn't that politically active until he went to federal prison. From prison he declared himself to MSNBC in an interview to be a libertarian, and voted for libertarian candidate Harry Browne in the 96' election. As for his religious beliefs, he did say he had a belief in god, and claimed to be an agnostic. But he also said in an interview "Science is my religion." The conclusion... He was a ing nut. Not a right wing nut... Not a religious nut... Just a plain old, run of the mill nut.

    What's sad here, is even with the facts laid out for all to see, some people will still buy into this author's nonsense.


    But before America's religious fundamentalists can drag this country all the way back to the dark ages, they first need to raise and train a generation primed to fight, and if necessary die, in religious combat. Because when it comes to religious fundamentalists, you really are either "with them or against them." They are not interested in nuance -- (unless of course it's the kind of "nuance" that's the hallmark of self-serving biblical interpretation.)
    Well, it's official... This guy is a far left liberal kook. The unhinged, paranoid ramblings in this last paragraph sealed the deal.

    In case anyone might be considering buying into this mans bullshit, I want you to know something. The only way religious fundamentalists will ever even attempt any kind of a American takeover, or pose a threat to anyone, is if Islamic extremists get a foot hold in the US, and we allow them to mount an attack. As long as we don't allow that, America has nothing to fear.

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    More people have been killed by officially atheistic secular nations than in all the religious wars in history. The Soviet Union under Stalin killed up to 30 million of their own people, Red China under Mao killed up to 60 million of their own people. As far as equating all religious fundamentalists as equal in threat is not grounded in reality. In the United States probably half of the members of any fundamentalist movement are probably in the FBI. The real threat and an increasing one is the Islamic Fundamentalist worldwide movement, especially as our short sighted president has gone out of his way to hamstring our intelligence agencies in this country to be able to thwart coming attacks. Remember those 40 rebels in Algeria that died of bubonic plague a couple of months back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roo View Post
    More people have been killed by officially atheistic secular nations than in all the religious wars in history. The Soviet Union under Stalin killed up to 30 million of their own people, Red China under Mao killed up to 60 million of their own people. As far as equating all religious fundamentalists as equal in threat is not grounded in reality. In the United States probably half of the members of any fundamentalist movement are probably in the FBI. The real threat and an increasing one is the Islamic Fundamentalist worldwide movement, especially as our short sighted president has gone out of his way to hamstring our intelligence agencies in this country to be able to thwart coming attacks. Remember those 40 rebels in Algeria that died of bubonic plague a couple of months back?
    Lol Islamic fundamelatist are the real threat.

    Please cancel your newspaper and cable subscription and get out more.

    It is the Israel influence which is the greatest threat to US foreign policy and how people react to Americans.

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    why doesn't the media ever report christian suicide bombers?

    christian fundamentalists roll on the floor, scream about jesus and kiss snakes.

    islamic fundamentalists blow up airplanes, trains and busses full of innocent people.

    there is nothing to be gained by pretending it is otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myglobalresults View Post
    Lol Islamic fundamelatist are the real threat.

    Please cancel your newspaper and cable subscription and get out more.

    It is the Israel influence which is the greatest threat to US foreign policy and how people react to Americans.
    How pathetic. The hard won lessons of the past so blithely forgotten in the race to kiss the hand that is getting ready to whip you. Let me ask you a question. How long do you think Israel would last if it unilaterally disarmed and how long do you think its arab neighbors would last if they unilaterally disarmed? Try not to fall back on the standard catechism that you and the other pathetic one, dchristie (the whiner) always fall back on..........

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    If anyone thinks that the Christian fringe and the Islamic fringe are on the same level, I want what you are smoking.


    To think other wise means you are either lying to yourself or you could be that ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    Define the same level.

    If you mean by the number of radicals in each group, you could probably say that there are more Islamic radicals than Christian.

    If you mean by the degree that have strayed from their original doctrines and beliefs, I'd say they were very much on the same level and just as dangerous as each other.





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    The main Christian Fringe do the following:
    * Go on the streets and yell at you
    * Protest abortion clinics and scream
    * Dance and kiss poisonous snakes
    * some live in cults and claim to be the messiah
    * Go door to door and tell you that you are going to hell.
    * Treat women as slaves

    The following Islamic Fringe do the following:
    * Murder people on a large scale
    * Murder woman for voting, walking, looking.
    * Murder anyone who is not a believer in Islam
    * Big enough that whole governments still live by barbaric laws.
    * The largest of any fringe Religion in the world and factually the most deadly.


    Shall we do a body count over the last 20-30 years and see which one is more dangerous???

    To compare the extreme random case of some looney from Arkansas who killed his family because god told him to, to organized Islamic Extremists is not only ignorant... Its comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    I Thought that was what the whole piece was about!!

    That, and pointing out that a new wave of Christian zealotry in the US may have spawned from the 9/11 attacks 8 years ago and is reaching the point of extremism, itself.
    The point of what the first author "Steve" wrote, was "I hate you right wing Christian bastards". So he proceeded to lie, distort, and twist a whole host of things, to feed his need to spread his hate to as many people as possible.

    He starts the bullshit in the first paragraph:

    ...religious fundamentalism. And it's a good time to remember that no particular religious sect has the market cornered on this cancer.
    Follow me here Gazza... Lets say there's town in the desert named Liberalville. Liberalville has a population of 1000 people. All 1000 people in Liberalville buy their shoes in town. The town has 3 shoe stores to choose from. There's "Islam Shoes", "Jesus Shoes" and the "Shoes 4 Jews" store. Over the last 8 years, "Jesus Shoes" has sold a total of 4 pairs of shoes, "Shoes 4 Jews" has sold 6 pair, while "Islam Shoes" has sold 9,990 pairs.

    Now Gazza, wouldn't you agree that the statement "Islam Shoes has cornered the shoe market in Liberalville" is an accurate one?

    Of course it is...

    And since Islamic extremists are responsible for more than 99.9% of the people killed in the world at the hands religious fundamentalists, I believe it's safe to say that when it comes to dangerous and violent religious fundamentalism, Islam has cornered the world market.

    The author ignores the facts, and tries to convince readers that Christian and Jewish fundamentalists, are just as dangerous to the world as Islamic fundamentalists. His next step was to connect religion in the US, with political conservatives, and to warn you (with no examples or evidence) of the "Danger" they represent. Finally, he offers 2 examples of people that committed appalling acts of violence in the US, and ties them both to the political right and religion, so that readers believe that they are examples of "right wing terrorists who murdered innocent people, for God and the republican party". The problem is, neither man killed in the name of God, or because of their political ideology.

    So like I said, the point of this bullshit article was:

    "I hate you right wing christian bastards"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The point of what the first author "Steve" wrote, was "I hate you right wing Christian bastards". So he proceeded to lie, distort, and twist a whole host of things, to feed his need to spread his hate to as many people as possible.

    He starts the bullshit in the first paragraph:



    Follow me here Gazza... Lets say there's town in the desert named Liberalville. Liberalville has a population of 1000 people. All 1000 people in Liberalville buy their shoes in town. The town has 3 shoe stores to choose from. There's "Islam Shoes", "Jesus Shoes" and the "Shoes 4 Jews" store. Over the last 8 years, "Jesus Shoes" has sold a total of 4 pairs of shoes, "Shoes 4 Jews" has sold 6 pair, while "Islam Shoes" has sold 9,990 pairs.

    Now Gazza, wouldn't you agree that the statement "Islam Shoes has cornered the shoe market in Liberalville" is an accurate one?

    Of course it is...

    And since Islamic extremists are responsible for more than 99.9% of the people killed in the world at the hands religious fundamentalists, I believe it's safe to say that when it comes to dangerous and violent religious fundamentalism, Islam has cornered the world market.

    The author ignores the facts, and tries to convince readers that Christian and Jewish fundamentalists, are just as dangerous to the world as Islamic fundamentalists. His next step was to connect religion in the US, with political conservatives, and to warn you (with no examples or evidence) of the "Danger" they represent. Finally, he offers 2 examples of people that committed appalling acts of violence in the US, and ties them both to the political right and religion, so that readers believe that they are examples of "right wing terrorists who murdered innocent people, for God and the republican party". The problem is, neither man killed in the name of God, or because of their political ideology.

    So like I said, the point of this bullshit article was:

    "I hate you right wing christian bastards"

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    The people that promote this idea that radical Islamist and radical Christains pose the same kind of threat, fundamentally don't understand either religion. Alexis de Tocqueville said it better than I ever could.

    "Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and he has inserted in the Koran, not only a body of religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, only speaks of the general relations of men to God and to each other; beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith...."

    The law, the government, politics, dating, hygiiene everything is part of Islam. There is not, and never has been support for a national construct of this sort in America or any other predominately Christian nation that I am aware of.

    Hopefully it is unnecessary to explain the potential, if not the reality, of the threat such a system poses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    Are you saying there is no religious fundamentalism in the Christian or Jewish sects?
    Fundamentalism, yes... Dangerous and violent, no.

    That they don't have a place in the market for terrorism?
    There's always a place available, but they haven't jumped in.

    Is it fair to say that the majority of Christian fundamentalists in the US are far right wing?
    I wouldn't say "far right wing", but they are predominantly conservatives.

    You know, bastards like the KKK, The Army of God, Lambs of Christ etcetera, etcetera.
    You are talking extremists that may claim to be conservatives, but conservative don't claim them. Do you liberals embrace the Black Panthers, the Black Liberation Front, and the Weather Underground?

    Acknowledging that it was religious fundamentalism which brought about the attacks of 9/11...
    That part is fine.


    ...and then also reminding people that since that date Right wing religious fundamentalism has been on the increase is not bullshit, Grim.
    Says who?

    Show me the data please.


    It's alerting people to the fact that religious fundamentalism is alive and well in ALL religions. But knowing you, I can see how you missed that point!
    Are you going to tell me that the writer of that piece didn't imply that Christians and Jews pose the same danger as Islamic fundamentalism?

    Are then going to claim he didn't try and convince people that McVeigh and the Museum shooter were religious fundamentalists?

    Please list the deadly attacks that have taken place by Christian or Jewish fundamentalist in this country since 9/11.

    The article was nothing more than a baseless anti-conservative, anti-Christian rant, written by a left wing hate merchant.

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    I'll just be blunt, if Islam doesn't undergo a transformation within a decade or less, nuclear destruction will be at the Arab's door. Why we didn't use that option on 9/11 to send them as clear a message as possible I don't know.

    We have allowed radical fascist Islam to progress for 30 years now, unanswering murder after murder of American citizens and nationals of other countries and it will get much worse should Iran get nuclear weapons.

    Islam is going down the same path as Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany and we know where those nations ended up. I spent enough time in my life between Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Somalia and elsewhere in the Middle East to know that Islam is breeding its own destruction, it's only a matter of time.

    We must prevent at all costs the potential for a nuclear horror in the Middle East be it Israel firing in retalliation or some arab maniac popping one off. To sit back with a cold brew and watch the obliteration of hundreds of thousands of people is unacceptable.

    Our leaders, from Jimmy Carter to Obama, have failed abysmally to define the situation, to defend freedom and to face the enemy as he exists. Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of fascist murdery and until it has been forced to change its ways, armageddon is at our doorstep.

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    You have got to be joking?
    SHOW ME THE MONEY!

    If their violent and dangerous, then post all the attacks. The people killed in the name of Islam numbers in the hundreds, just in the last month.

    Fuck off!
    What took you so long? I can't believe you didn't resort insults and name calling a few posts ago.

    Why wouldn't you? It is accepted as fact!
    Accepted by you and far left hate mongers... But for those of us living in the real world it's nothing but opinion derived out of hatred, that lacks any credible evidence to supporting it.

    Just like extremists who claim to be islamists? Islamists don't embrace them either!
    But there's one big difference that you, and others like you, always leave out. Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Islam. They state very clearly, that they are killing people in the name of their god.

    It's in the articles in the OP! Did you read them?
    Yes, I read the articles and I've come to the undeniable conclusion that YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

    The first article is a nutty liberal rant that tries to equate those that protest Obama's policies as being religious freaks. there was not on single shred of proof or evidence to support his ravings.

    The second article is about the increase in home schooling. Nowhere does it mention anything that supports your assertions.

    If I've missed something, then please post it... I won't be holding my breath waiting though.

    No, I've already stated that they do!
    Good... I'm happy to see you're at least admitting you embrace a lie.

    If it wasn't a lie, then you could post links to all the violent attacks they've launched, and all the public threats they've issued.

    Well, They are/were!
    Ummm no, they are/were not.

    McVeigh was an anti-government kook that didn't even attend a church. He also didn't blow up that building "In the name of God". It was an attack on the American government.

    The Museum shooter was a white supremacist and a fanatical racist... Not a religious fanatic.

    Are you a liar, or just ing stupid?

    I asked you to list the deadly attacks that have taken place by Christian or Jewish fundamentalist in this country since 9/11, and this is what you post?

    That's a story is about the 1996 Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph, who's also responsible for two other bombings. The last of which took place in 1998, which by my math, is 3 years BEFORE the attacks of 9/11.

    More to follow and don't think they won't. There's plenty to choose from
    I'm still waiting for you to post one?

    Now, that's the bullshit part! You don't even know who Steve is! lol
    I don't have to know who he is... His words say it all.

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