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    Death Panels??


    Death Panels??
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    This is why she is such an evil b*tch. I don't think she is even reading the proposed legislation. She is so cute.... lets make her president so we can all hate her once she begins to fail miserably.

    HOWEVER! I do think the government is out of its mind if it truly believes it can manage healthcare. Maybe I am mistaken.

    But seriously am I the only person who can not stand Palin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFBBQSauce View Post

    Death Panels??


    But seriously am I the only person who can not stand Palin?
    No - you are not the only dumbass...

    But your numbers pale in comparison to those of us who cannot stand O'Kenya...

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    You know.. I really liked her the day she was introduced. After that.. nothing. It is really hard to have any respect for her.

    Especially with the "death panel" deal.. How someone can get a "death panel" from a Bill asking that people over 50 get a living will is beyond me.

    No Im not thrilled with the Health Care reform as it stands. I am FOR reform and would love to see us have a system like Taiwan or Japan (not exactly theirs but close) but Im not impressed with what the administration has come up with at all.

    The system proposed does not fix the problems we currently have, overpriced medical care, insurance companies getting between the doctors and patients and greedy pharmaceutical companies.

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    sorry, you don't get it. currently the family and doctors decide who gets complicated, expensive, experimental care.

    somebody has to pay for experimental care. bone marrow transplants are an example. right now, the rich, like rush linbaugh can afford to pay for whatever and the doctors will do their best, being well paid to perform the procedure.

    in other cases, a family may decide to take out large loan against the family business to try to save a family member. the family and the doctors meet and decide what is wise to try and how the cost can be paid.

    under socialized healthcare, a commisar will be appointed to decide who gets the most expensive care. the family has no choice. the commisar will order the doctor to take care of the party official first, paid for by rush's healthcare taxes, while rush will get no care, be allowed to die in waiting room, to make up for past discrimination.

    healthcare fairness doctrine.
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    Here is some information I just heard in an interview, that pertains indirectly to the "Death panel" issue. I'm pretty sure I heard this correctly.

    In England, the government has determined that a person with cancer is entitled to a maximum of approx $22,000.00 in medication per year. Some of the newest and most effective cancer treatment drugs on the market today, cost up wards of $50,000.00 a year. So in England, a person would be denied these life saving drugs, which explains why we have a much higher cancer survival rate here in the US than they do.

    This is a prime example of what Sarah Palin was talking about when she made her death panel comment. It's called rationing. The government will determine what drugs, treatments and surgeries a person can have and not have, based cost and a persons age... not on the individual. There is no way this can be avoided.

    Whether those who support a government run national health care program want to admit it or not, the fact is, the government, not the doctor or the patient, will in many cases, determine whether a person lives or dies.

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    Bullshit, moron. Please cite a case where Medicare denied a senior or a soldier was denied treatmenat due to cost and the patient was allowed to die against the wishes of family or doctors.

    Without it, you are comparing apples to bowling balls. Nothing more than fear mongering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    Bullshit, moron. Please cite a case where Medicare denied a senior or a soldier was denied treatmenat due to cost and the patient was allowed to die against the wishes of family or doctors.

    Without it, you are comparing apples to bowling balls. Nothing more than fear mongering.
    Look, I don't defend Palin's use of the term "Death panels". I think it was a false characterization of the eventual government appointed people, that will be in charge of determining the rationing of medicines, and treatment that people are eligible for.

    Every socialized health care system in the world has rationing, and your a fool if you believe that an American system will make every treatment and drug available to every person regardless of the cost.

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    Let's not forget the congressman who have the best insurance America offers.. can't deny them anything..

    Mumbles I wasn't talking about families coming together to help a family member. I was talking about the insurance companies who deny care even though you are paying hundreds of dollars a month and meeting your thousands of dollars a year deductible. The insurance companies decide whether or not you can have treatment. In my opinion if you are paying for insurance and your doctor says you need specific treatment, the insurance company should be required to pay for that treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    Bullshit, moron. Please cite a case where Medicare denied a senior or a soldier was denied treatmenat due to cost and the patient was allowed to die against the wishes of family or doctors.

    Without it, you are comparing apples to bowling balls. Nothing more than fear mongering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassifiedXone View Post
    No - you are not the only dumbass...

    But your numbers pale in comparison to those of us who cannot stand O'Kenya...
    Of course you love her Classless. She's one of you: a total ing imbecile. You can't help yourself.

    She waves a bible and a flag in people's faces thinking it will make them forget that she doesn't read or have any actual information about or belief in anything real.

    She's betting her looks and chutzpah will be enough to beguile morons like you into voting for her - just like Bush's "good ol' boy, awe shucks" line of bullshit - even though nothing ever came out of his face but sheer nonsense.

    But, it was enough to make a mass of dim-witted suckers forget he's really a spoiled brat Yaley from Connecticut who never had to apply for a job in his life and was installed in office - not elected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFBBQSauce View Post

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    This is why she is such an evil b*tch. I don't think she is even reading the proposed legislation. She is so cute.... lets make her president so we can all hate her once she begins to fail miserably.

    HOWEVER! I do think the government is out of its mind if it truly believes it can manage healthcare. Maybe I am mistaken.

    But seriously am I the only person who can not stand Palin?
    This lady has far more experience then Obama will ever have be remember Obama had zero experience and look what he and others are doing to to the great country of America.

    Btw others and herself was correct about the dealth panels and even Obama and his socialist slime said it was not true but now they decide to remove it from the house bill....hmmm

    Why remove something if its not there in the first place???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    This lady has far more experience then Obama will ever have be remember Obama had zero experience and look what he and others are doing to to the great country of America.

    Btw others and herself was correct about the dealth panels and even Obama and his socialist slime said it was not true but now they decide to remove it from the house bill....hmmm

    Why remove something if its not there in the first place???

    JUST FYI... The "death panels" were introduced by a republican into the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IM_WatchingOut4U View Post
    JUST FYI... The "death panels" were introduced by a republican into the bill.
    I thought that there was no such thing as any "death panel" provision in the congressional bill.

    So which is it? It exists and a republican introduced it... Or it never existed in the first place?
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    when healthcare is socialized, your local commisar, appointed by your local democrat-communist represenative, will decide who gets how much care. its just more affirmative action. those groups that got more care in the past will get less care now, while future socialist voters, like illegal aliens, and ACORN volunteers, will get more care. its the fairness doctrine.


    the rich can fly to some free country, like russia and pay for their care.
    Last edited by mumbles; 08-14-2009 at 09:31 PM.

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    And we should just believe him because he says so? Since when do we just believe what any congressman has to say..

    Quoting my own states politician "I have a wide stance".... ummm yeah.. okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Ummm, FYI, no it wasn't.

    The republican congressman that Obama was referring to, immediately issued a statement saying he did no such thing.

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    WHO IS ADVISING OBAMA ON HEALTHCARE??




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    This "death Panel"

    when healthcare is socialized, your local commisar, appointed by your local democrat-communist represenative, will decide who gets how much care. its just more affirmative action. those groups that got more care in the past will get less care now, while future socialist voters, like illegal aliens, and ACORN volunteers, will get more care. its the fairness doctrine.
    sounds a lot like my current health insurance.


    ohh and "ClassifiedXone"

    No - you are not the only dumbass...

    But your numbers pale in comparison to those of us who cannot stand O'Kenya...
    that's a very constructive statement. Its a shame what your father did to his sister... now we all have to deal with your inbred shenanigans.
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