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    Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    I have confirmed what is shown on this video by seeing this in person and people are not realizing what is going on in the dealerships and the repercussions of agreeing to the Goverment agreement for a new car under the new Obama Cash for Clunkers Plan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNhMP...eature=related
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    The website shown on the video, and as stated in the video, is for car dealers. That part of the website is not for consumers. It is for dealers to send in the paper work for the refunds, the refunds are only for trade-ins. You'll also notice that the dealers part of the website has a blue backgound while the consumer part has a green background.

    cars.gov, green backgound.
    cars.gov/dealer/, blue background, and of this time there is no link to 'Subject Submission'.

    Besides, warnings like this are nothing new in 'Privacy Statements'. 'Cookies' are the most common objects placed on computers.

    For example, from fox.com/corporate/privacypolicy.htm,
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    General. FBC collects "PII" in order to create or enhance our relationship with you. When we collect PII from you it is because you are voluntarily submitting the information to us in order to participate in activities like sweepstakes, contests, games, surveys, forums, subscription registrations, in connection with content or suggestions you submit to us, chats or bulletin boards, or because you want us to furnish you with products, services or information. Fox.com message boards are operated by a third party vendor who collects PII, on FBC's behalf, submitted in the registration process. We may also obtain PII from reputable third parties.

    Cookies. Cookies are small bits of information that the FBC web sites place on the hard drive of your computer. FBC uses cookies to identify your Internet browser and to determine whether you have installed the enabling software needed to access certain material on our web site(s). However, FBC does not use cookies or similar tools to collect or otherwise record any type of PII provided by or about any FBC web site visitor. The third party vendor who operates the fox.com message boards may set cookies on your computer in order to facilitate your use of this feature of our sites, such as storing your password for future visits.

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    Ohh, and if you clicked on the You Tube video above you now have a 'cookie' from You Tube on you computer.

    It seems that Fox News is again trying to make a big deal out of something that has being going on for some time. Since people generally don't bother to read 'Privacy Statements/Agreements' or much less things like 'Terms of Use Agreements' they don't know what is in them.

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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    I have confirmed what is shown on this video by seeing this in person and people are not realizing what is going on in the dealerships and the repercussions of agreeing to the Goverment agreement for a new car under the new Obama Cash for Clunkers Plan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNhMP...eature=related
    Ha! Tell that to car dealers who are seeing the first signs of life at their businesses in 6 months. Idiot.


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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie View Post
    Ha! Tell that to car dealers who are seeing the first signs of life at their businesses in 6 months. Idiot.


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    I was just giving information, so you anti american scum.
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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    I was just giving information, so you anti american scum.
    How does DC's comment make him "anti-American"???

    Truth is, the cash for clunkers program is sparking much needed business in auto sales. So, how is that "anti-American??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    I was just giving information, so you anti american scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkeus
    I have confirmed what is shown on this video by seeing this in person....agreeing to the Goverment agreement for a new car under the new Obama Cash for Clunkers Plan.
    Ha..ha..ha. Anybody who watches Glen Beck shouldn't be allowed to drive anything but a ing tricycle.

    And it's "Government" - retard.


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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    This program does nothing for consumers and satisfies only the obama/environment wacko crowd who get wet at the idea of destroying perfectly good cars for no reason.

    This is also about moving out inventory from 2009.

    Wanna win the clunker game?

    Don't buy anything except a 2010.

    If you purchase a 2009, you will immediately piss away the clunker money AND the rebate money they will offer you.


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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    How does DC's comment make him "anti-American"???

    Truth is, the cash for clunkers program is sparking much needed business in auto sales. So, how is that "anti-American??
    Actually that is just another Obama hoax.

    Cash for Clunkers May Cost Up to $45,354 Per Vehicle
    by: Avery Goodman July 31, 2009

    Avery Goodman's articles on Seeking Alpha

    The "Cash for Clunkers" program has been a "great success", at least according to the government, and the auto industry. Within days of its kickoff, all $1 billion allocated to the program has been used up by Americans who have eagerly lined up to trade their clunkers for new vehicles.

    Some refreshingly honest reporting has come from Edmunds.com, a car buying site that is telling the truth, in spite of benefiting from an increase in business and site traffic, due to the program. According to Edmunds, about 200,000 old low mileage cars would normally traded in, every 3 months, in exchange for more efficient higher mileage cars, without this program.

    The highest rebate is $4,500, and the lowest is $3,500. If everyone qualified for $4,500 per vehicle, about 222,000 vehicles would have just taken advantage of the government's money. At $3,500, 286,000 vehicles will have been sold.

    I assume that, given all the raving, the government will eventually get around to assigning more money. It will take at least 2 or 3 months for the legislation to work its way through Congress. Meanwhile, if all buyers have qualified for the higher $4,500 rebate, the "cash for clunkers" program will mean a marginal increase in car sales of 22,000 this quarter. $1 billion divided by 22,000 means a net cost to the government of $45,354 per car.

    If all buyers only qualify for the $3,500 rebate, it means a marginal increase in sales of about 86,000, or a net cost to the taxpayers of $11,628 per vehicle. In all likelihood, however, there will probably be a mix of vehicles qualifying for various rebates between $3,500 and $4,500. Based upon that assumption, Edmunds.com estimates that the average cost to the taxpayer will be about $20,000 per vehicle.

    Even most of the marginally extra sales really represent people who were going to buy a new car eventually anyway. They are just buying a bit sooner than they expected. Old clunkers don't last forever, and they are almost all eventually replaced. The government is shifting tomorrow's demand to today, stealing from tomorrow to pay for today, but at great cost to the taxpayer.

    The "cash for clunkers" program is yet another boondoogle - an expensive waste of precious taxpayer dollars. Government spending should be reined in, in light of the multi-trillion dollar unsustainable deficits that this nation now faces. However, if we must increase government spending, the money would be better spent on infrastructure and education improvements that might help bring jobs back to America, and encourage long term growth, rather than cosmetic improvements to the short term earnings of makers of high mileage automobiles, many of which are foreign companies.

    This government is, unfortunately, a reflection of the current state of economic immaturity that prevails in America. The vast majority of people, including most people in Congress, do not understand the forces that drive the real economy, and see only the short term view. That is how they get manipulated into allowing the Federal Reserve to behave like a slush fund for big banks, passing programs like TARP into law, and enacting programs like "cash for clunkers" which all abuse the taxpayers.

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    CNN,
    Cash for Clunkers lifts auto sales
    Ford ended 19 straight months of sales declines with a 2% increase in July. Other automakers also got a much-needed boost from government trade-in program.

    By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
    Last Updated: August 3, 2009: 1:48 PM ET

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Ford Motor Co. reported a 2% gain in July auto sales compared to a year earlier, boosted by strong demand sparked by the government's Cash for Clunkers trade-in program.

    This was the first increase from any U.S.-based automaker since November 2007. Sales tracker Edmunds.com was expecting a 4% decline in sales for Ford.

    Rivals Chrysler Group and Honda Motor (HMC) both reported drops in sales compared to a year ago, although both reported solid gains from their June sales totals.

    All three companies said they were helped by the popular Cash for Clunkers program, which gives car buyers up to $4,500 for trading in older, gas-guzzling vehicles if they're buying more fuel efficient cars.
    ...............
    BBC,
    Scrappage scheme lifts Ford sales
    Car giant Ford says July's US sales were up 2.3% from a year ago, helped by the government's scrappage scheme.

    The Ford group - which includes the Ford, Lincoln, Mercury and Volvo brands - sold 165,279 vehicles last month.

    The company said demand for its fuel-efficient cars together with the US government's Car Allowance Rebate System was behind the rise.

    "We had another strong month in progress before the 'Cash for Clunkers' programme started," Ford said.

    Ford is the only one of the "Big Three" US carmakers not to have filed for bankruptcy protection.

    Last month, it reported a quarterly profit of $2.3bn (£1.4bn), although the profit was largely due to one-off gains related to debt restructuring.

    The clunker programme gives owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,000 towards a new, more efficient model in exchange for their old vehicles.
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    this program is just rich democrats giving away money to rich, white car dealers. the poor and low income, blacks, don't get $4,500, $3,500, they get nothing. that same money could have helped people that have lost their medical insurance because they have lost their jobs.

    really, you think you local car dealers have been standing in line at soup kitchens? more likely standing in line to make "political contributions" to your democrat leaders.

    funny how they all get lots richer each year they are in office?

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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie View Post
    Ha..ha..ha. Anybody who watches Glen Beck shouldn't be allowed to drive anything but a ing tricycle.

    And it's "Government" - retard.


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    Apparantly the Obama administration is watching. They announced today that they are making changes to the statement on the Web site in question. They didn't mention if the changes will actually alter the intent of making the computer accessible to the Government, but lets hope that's the case.

    Do you really not see how scary that agreement is? Basicly anyone that uses a computer, where someone has agreed to the the terms of use described, is subject to having any and all information on that computer moniterd by the government forever. I'm pretty sure it is not possible to waive your constitutional rights to access a web site. I am absolutley sure one person can't waive the constitutional rights of every person that may in the future use a computer. I have no idea why the Obama administration put that agreement on that Web site but a little skepticism is warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cirussell View Post
    They didn't mention if the changes will actually alter the intent of making the computer accessible to the Government, but lets hope that's the case.
    Have you ever submitted you taxes online? Either Federal, State, or Local. How are you supposed to submit your return if you don't connect (make accessible) your computer to a government computer? How is the government supposed to let you know that they have accepted your return if your computer is not connected to their computer.

    In fact, how are you posting on this forum unless your computer is connected (accessible) to Scam.com's computer. While I agree that the wording in the topic's agreement was not very good. If you don't like what the a Privacy Statement, ToS, or FAQ says, then do not enter that website.

    While you were reading this your computer has been connecting to other computers without you even knowing about it. How to you think your computer keeps the correct time or lets you know when a Windows update is available?

    If you don't want your computer accessible to other computers then unplug it from the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Have you ever submitted you taxes online? Either Federal, State, or Local. How are you supposed to submit your return if you don't connect (make accessible) your computer to a government computer? How is the government supposed to let you know that they have accepted your return if your computer is not connected to their computer.

    In fact, how are you posting on this forum unless your computer is connected (accessible) to Scam.com's computer. While I agree that the wording in the topic's agreement was not very good. If you don't like what the a Privacy Statement, ToS, or FAQ says, then do not enter that website.

    While you were reading this your computer has been connecting to other computers without you even knowing about it. How to you think your computer keeps the correct time or lets you know when a Windows update is available?

    If you don't want your computer accessible to other computers then unplug it from the internet.
    Obviously what your saying is true. In order to communicate the required information the computers must link so that communication can take place. It seems that you are saying that the agreement in question is just standard stuff. If you could provide some info from other user agreements that say things like "When logged into the CARS system, your Computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government" I would love to see it. Are you saying that when I am logged into scam.com my computer and all the information on it is considered the property of scam.com and that scam.com can share my information with whomever they please?

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    Re: Money for Clunkers is dangerous for you

    Quote Originally Posted by cirussell View Post
    Apparantly the Obama administration is watching. They announced today that they are making changes to the statement on the Web site in question. They didn't mention if the changes will actually alter the intent of making the computer accessible to the Government, but lets hope that's the case.

    Do you really not see how scary that agreement is? Basicly anyone that uses a computer, where someone has agreed to the the terms of use described, is subject to having any and all information on that computer moniterd by the government forever. I'm pretty sure it is not possible to waive your constitutional rights to access a web site. I am absolutley sure one person can't waive the constitutional rights of every person that may in the future use a computer. I have no idea why the Obama administration put that agreement on that Web site but a little skepticism is warranted.
    And how exactly are they going to access that information? Just because their terms and services agreement is worded poorly does not mean that they can magically access everything stored on your computer.

    If your software is so outdated that someone can acess your files through an internet page then there are far more malicious people out there than the government you should be concerned about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazza View Post
    And how exactly are they going to access that information? Just because their terms and services agreement is worded poorly does not mean that they can magically access everything stored on your computer.

    If your software is so outdated that someone can acess your files through an internet page then there are far more malicious people out there than the government you should be concerned about.
    I agree they probably just chose their wording poorly. In fact they as much as said so today.
    However, if the computer accessing the CARS system is the "property of the Government" they could access the information in a number of ways. The most customary way is to confiscate the computer. However, any data that comes in or goes out would be easy picking. Do you think the user agreement on CARS is just standard stuff? I have never seen a user agreement that says anything remotely similar to the CARS system. Have you?

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