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    Entanglement

    Einstein was skeptical of "spooky action at a distance" because it seemed to violate his premise of nothing communicated faster than light.

    Certainly information is not transmitted faster than light, but particles in "spin" relation over vast differences seem to "know" their "proper place" instantly in relation to their twins.

    This is an example of what i was getting at earlier in terms of Einsteins definition regarding the two observers.

    By describing everything in terms of the limitations of light speed, he ignored something which he himself established: that knowledge of a system can occur prior to the measurable results.

    Since he established that a stationary observer stood at mid-point between two flashes of light alongside the moving observer, the existence of knowledge beyond the speed of light existed within his experiment.

    You can argue that this is merely a hypothesis set up to explain his concept. But it also demonstrated that knowledge can exist that transcends the limitations of time/space to explain the effects of that time/space.

    If there indeed could be no absolute frame of reference, then Einstein could never have described that frame existing outside the speed of light.

    This suggests that there is some essence of knowledge, awareness, or information in some form that can precede the effects of light speed.

    If any hypothetical can be known beforehand and then be manipulated by a thought, then the actual reality can be known beforehand and activated in terms of knowledge that occurs before the action.

    That is, the universe does not act in accordance with random statistical forces, but corresponds to some form of computation that will not be dependent on the limitations of light speed.

    The universe computes, and if it computes, certain patterns will be established that cannot be dependent on any limitation of light speed, that exist in terms of "now" which are not limited by any factor of finite transmission. the universe is a thought, and Einstein's thought experiment describes the process.

    If the human mind can conceive of dimensions shaped in such a way that the dimensions exist prior to actual experience, there is no reason to assume that the universe itself cannot order systems of entanglement in which one process reacts to another simply by programmed form.

    Knowledge of an action transcends the action itself, as demonstrated by Einstein's thought experiment.

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    if using the word "NOW" can be taken as/by THOUGHT, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to verbally EXPRESS the TRUTH as FACT!? only the individual can enter the "NOW" of light SPEED!? which has no speed at all!? speed is only realized OUTSIDE of the perfect NOW!? call it an operational SHELL of personal experience!? with TIME as the PREDICTOR and ILLUSIONARY conductor/director felt/identified as MY chosen mind of the/this MOMENT!? time is the MOMENTUM of ILLUSION!? :freak3: :spin2: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    if using the word "NOW" can be taken as/by THOUGHT, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to verbally EXPRESS the TRUTH as FACT!?

    It can only be expressed as observation, as Einstein showed in his thought experiment. To the two observers, lightning struck at both ends of the train at the same instant. As long as both observers remained parallel in that instant of time, neither of them would ever be aware of lightning striking, since it cannot move in an eternal "now" of time.

    Both observers on the euclidean line described by Einstein, was "0", but "0", as Bishop Berkeley pointed out, is no movement.

    There can be no measurment of instantaneous speed at "0", and anything greater than "0" is not instantaneous.

    The entire time frame described by Einstein would have to be drawn in relation to another time frame, and that's what the Lorentz transformation did. Each instant in time, as represented by the observer's awareness in that time frame, was developed relative to the speed of light.

    But all points of the observers could as easily have been registered by placing stationary observers at each point at which the lightning was observed. At each time in the observation, that observation would be experienced as "now", but there would be no evidence of movement in relation to space, only in relation to light.

    Einstein substituted time for space and called it time-space, which meant that space as we know it in classical sense, is subject to shortening or lengthening in terms of time.


    only the individual can enter the "NOW" of light SPEED!? which has no speed at all!?
    That's the part that used to baffle me. Light has a speed which is close to 186,000mps. When an image of light from one point hits your eye, it has traveled a specific distance in relation to time, but when you see it you observe the time of the event as "now' because that's when you see it.

    However, it happened before that time frame, because it had to occur and travel a certain distance before you could see it. That is the basic confusion caused by Einstein's thought experiment. But if you imagine a hammer that drives a spike in the ground at each end of the train at the very instant the lightning strikes, then you have two ends of a line segment, both of which can only be described as "now", since the lightning struck each end at the same instant in time.

    Any point, from zero, where the two observers were located, to either end of the line between the lightning flashes, would have to be described as "now". Which means, as far as each observer was concerned, there was no lightning, since neither of them had observed it yet.

    So, in that instant of time, if you, from your "absolute frame" of reference, asked either observer "did you see that flash of light?" Both of them would say "what flash of light?"

    Did it occur outside of their awareness? Yes it did.

    speed is only realized OUTSIDE of the perfect NOW!?
    Yes. Any measurment of time is a non-uniform action imposed on uniform movement, so the measurement of any event in time must be a measurment of disorder. That's why time seems to flow from order to disorder. Any non-uniform action in space acts as a force on uniform motion, like a train traveling 60mph suddenly stopped. The uniform motion of the train would be transferred to the passengers as a force, driving them toward the front of the train.

    Since gravity accelerates, it is not constant, so it acts as a force on constants. You cannot act in time without causing some unpredictable results, so all measurment of time flows from order to disorder, but the disorder is measured only in terms of the system affected by the measurement. If a system is closed, it will end in total equilibrium, meaning there can be no more measurment of any disorder. It is done,. gone, kaput, dead.


    call it an operational SHELL of personal experience!? with TIME as the PREDICTOR and ILLUSIONARY conductor/director felt/identified as MY chosen mind of the/this MOMENT!? time is the MOMENTUM of ILLUSION!? :freak3: :spin2: :

    That's damn near poetic. Time is an operational shell of personal experience, and it is measurable since time is simply units of mathematics.
    Past, present, and future are simply re-organizations of time experiences presented in new relationships or ratios. You can determine the reality of the past because you can trace decision procedures that led you to each experience. You can't know the future for certain because mathematics is both digital and incomplete, so there is no way of determining which decisions will produce the future you choose in exact ratio. Trying to measure future in terms of continuous space leads to disconnected factors, like trying to get the square root of two leads to a number that is not the ratio of any two counting numbers. Time is discontinuous, space is continuous.

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    let us consider the POINT of BLIND FAITH!? from the PERSPECTIVE/CONSIDERATION of OBSERVATION!? what is the POINT of OBSERVATION at ALL!? if there IS a WAY NOT dependent on PERSONAL OBSERVATION!? what would it be CALLED!? why WOULD it BE called at ALL!? what does it MEAN to CALL anyway!? just checkin INN, my cell phone just died!? GOD FORBID!!......or i accept that,.....FVCK NO!?what's the WORST thing 1 can EXPERIENCE!? LOSS OF CONNECTION LOOMS LARGE!? so we ASK!? what is the INTIMATE(AND UNIVERSAL) connection that WE ALL SEEK!?:freak3: :spin2: :
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    The double slit experiment shows that our concept of "reality" is not important to the universe.

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