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    42 Points of the True Church

    42 Points of the True Church


    The Godhead consists of three separate and distinct beings - God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
    Genesis 1:26-27;3:22
    Matthew 3:17; 28:19
    Luke 3:22
    Acts 7:55
    1 John 5:7

    God the Father, as well as his Son Jesus Christ, who is a resurrected personage, both have bodies of flesh and bone and spirit.
    Genesis 32:30
    Exodus 33:23
    Luke 24:39, 41-43
    John 20:17; 21:13-14
    Acts 7:55-56
    1 John 3:2

    Jesus is the Christ, the literal Son of God, the Messiah, and the only perfect person upon the earth - and not simply a great teacher.
    Luke 9:35
    John 17:4-5
    Hebrews 1:6-7

    Jesus Christ , as revealed in the New Testament, is Jehovah, God of the Old Testament.
    Exodus 3:14
    John 8:58
    Isaiah 43:11
    Hosea 13:4

    The Holy Ghost is a distinct personage of spirit and is the third member of the Godhead.
    Matthew 3:15-18
    John 14:26; 16:13-14; 20:21-22
    Ephesians 1:17

    The Holy Bible is the word of the Lord insofar as it is translated correctly. It is the record of the Jews and will be joined with another record in the last days to relate God's word to his people. This second record will come from a descendant of Joseph.
    Ezekiel 37:15-17
    Isaiah 29:18
    Revelation 20:12-14

    Jesus Christ is recognized as the head of his Church, with other officers named, beginning with a foundation of apostles and prophets, and including teachers, saints, elders, evangelists, bishops, deacons, priests and high priests.
    John 15:16
    Mark 3:14-15
    Ephesians 2:19-20; 4:11-14

    Officers in Christ's church will be "called of God." They will receive their authority through the "laying of hands." One cannot call himself to the ministry,
    a. College degree or license insufficient.
    b. Royal priesthood will be known as such.
    c. Bishops and leaders are to marry and to have children.

    Acts 19:25
    Hebrews 5:4, 10
    Timothy 3:2; 4:2-3
    1 Peter 2:9

    Members of Christ's church will be "workers," and will be called "saints." In addition, women will be included in activities and leadership.
    Proverbs 12:4
    Romans 1:7
    Ephesians 4:12
    1 Corinthians 11:7
    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

    There will exist within the church separate entities for each of the groups of members. Adult and youth organizations will exist. This point stands to reason, if Christ is concerned with helping each individual from that person's own level of understanding.
    Ephesians 4:11-14

    Christ's church will believe in the "virgin birth" of Jesus Christ but will not believe in the "immaculate conception" of Mary.
    Isaiah 7:14
    Matthew 1:19-20, 23
    Luke 1:26-31, 42

    Christ's church will believe in immortality or eternal life, and in a heaven and hell. After the resurrection, we will be assigned to different places according to the judgement. The first resurrection will be for the righteous and will commence 1,000 years before the second resurrection.
    John 3:16-17; 5:28-29; 14:2
    1 Corinthians 15:20-22; 40-42
    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

    The Savior's church will honor Sunday as the Sabbath, with the understanding that the resurrection transpired Sunday morning, the first day of the week - and thus replaced Saturday as the Sabbath.
    Hosea 2:11
    Matthew 28:1
    John 5:18
    Acts 20:7
    1 Corinthians 16:2

    Officers as well as members of Christ's church will receive continuous revelation from God.
    Amos 3:7
    Matthew 16:13. 16-19
    Ephesians 1:17

    Members of the Lord's church will be payers of tithes and offerings.
    Malachi 3:8, 11
    Luke 11:42 Hebrews 7:4-5

    Members of the church will regularly partake of the Lord's supper. This sacrament represents the flesh and blood of Christ and is partaken of in remembrance of him.
    Matthew 26:26-28
    Acts 20:7
    1 Corinthians 16:1-2

    Members of the Lord's church will experience miracles, such as visions, tongues and prophesies. In addition, the church will practice divine healing. When members of the church are sick, elders of the church will anoint them with oil and heal them.
    Matthew 9:18
    Mark 6: 5; 16:17-18
    Acts 5:12, 16
    James 5:14-15


    Church leaders will teach that the resurrected Jesus Christ will come again to the earth in the last days. This "second coming" will be greatly anticipated.
    Job 19:25-26
    Matthew 24:30
    Acts 1:11; 3:19-21

    Members of the Lord's church will be persecuted for their beliefs.
    Matthew 5:10-12; 24:9
    Luke 6:22-23
    Acts 8:1-3; 28:22
    Hebrews 11:36-38

    The church as a whole, as well as its members, will be recognized for their "fruits" - as well as the prophets who lead them. The church will esteem honesty, virtue, and wholesome activity.
    Proverbs 15:4
    Luke 6:43-44
    2 Corinthians 9:10
    Philippians 4:17
    Hebrews 13:18

    The church must provide salvation for all of God's children, not just those who receive the gospel while living on the earth. It will practice baptism for the dead.
    Mark 16:16
    John 3:1-8
    1 Corinthians 15:29

    The church will build temples similar to the one Solomon built, which was destroyed and built again at the time of Christ. These temples will have unique purposes, including baptism and other ordinances. Temples will also be holy places, contain the Holy of Hollies, and be used by members as places of worship.
    Isaiah 2:3
    Malachi 3:1; 3:7

    Christ's original church was organized by him and named after him, and his church today will also be named after him.
    Acts 4:10-12
    Ephesians 1:22; 4:11-14; 5:23-24

    Specific authority to function in the administration of the church is called "priesthood." It is obtained through ordination by one having the power to so ordain.
    1 Samuel 13:9-14
    Mark 6:7
    John 7:16; 20:21
    Acts 19:2-5
    Hebrews 5:4-6,(6?)8-20

    A higher priesthood authority is required to bestow the Holy Ghost than to baptize.
    Matthew 16:19
    Mark 1:7-8
    Acts 8:15-18; 19:2-6

    The church that Christ originally organized did not baptize infants since the prerequisite for baptism had (1) a capacity for repentance of past personal sins, and (2) a personal belief in the divinity and teachings of Christ.
    Mark 10:14-15; 16:16
    Acts 2:38; 8:12

    The church is to send out missionaries (in twos), to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
    Mark 6:7
    Luke 10:1

    The church will have a welfare system to provide for the poor and the needy within the church. Members are to provide for themselves and their family first, and then receive help from the church
    Deuteronomy 15:11
    Psalm 9:18
    Isaiah 14:30
    Mark 10:21
    Luke 18:22
    Romans 15:26

    The church will have a law of health. Alcoholic beverages will not be used by members of the church.
    Ephesians 5:18
    1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9-10

    The church will be one that is restored to the earth. Christ's original church experienced a great apostasy or falling away, but his church will be returned or restored again in the last days.
    Jeremiah 31:31-34
    Acts 3:19-21
    2 Thessalonians 2:1-13
    Revelation 14:6-7

    Christ's church will believe in being saved by the grace of Christ through exercising faith in him. In other words, it will teach that when we repent of our sins and forsake them, the atonement of Christ will cleanse us of our sins.
    Matthew 7:21-29
    Mark 16:15-16
    Luke 6:46-49
    1 Timothy 4:10
    James 1:22-25; 2:14-26

    The church will preach only the true gospel of Christ, with no variations. It will neither add to the meaning of Christ's teachings nor take away from them - even though current revelation will provide insight into them.
    Matthew 5:19
    Galatians 1:6-9
    Ephesians 4:5
    Hebrews 13:8-9

    Christ's church will espouse a pre-earth life, or a preexistence, such as that taught by the Orthodox Jews. Included in this teaching will be the doctrine of foreordination and not predestination. God the Father will be recognized as having created the individual spirits of all people.
    Genesis 1:26-31
    Job 38:4-7
    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    John 17:5
    Ephesians 1:4-5
    Hebrews 12:9

    The church will believe in the "original sin" of Adam. Nevertheless, it will teach that Christ atoned for Adam's sin and that we will be punished for our own sins, as Adams sin has already been atoned for.
    John 1:29
    Acts 24:14-15
    Romans 5:6-19
    1 Corinthians 15:21-23

    Christ's church will teach that the gathering of Israel, in the last days, will be literal.
    Isaiah 5:26-30; 11:12-13; 35
    Jeremiah 3:14-18; 31:10

    Members of the true church will respect the beliefs of others.
    Galatians 5:22-26; 6:1-2
    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

    The church will be subject to the laws of the land, regardless of the type of government in power in that land - thus rendering unto Caesar that which is his, and to God that which is his.
    Matthew 22:21
    Mark 12:17
    Luke 20:25

    It should be recognized that while perfection is to be sought by each member of Christ's church, the members will have human failings and will make mistakes, and that they will thus need to grow and learn - line upon line, precept upon precept.
    Isaiah 28:10
    Ephesians 4:11-14; 28,32

    After repentance, baptism by immersion is essential, as is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. A person performing these ordinances of baptism and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost must be duly authorized to perform such ordinances.
    Matthew 3:13-15
    John 3:5
    Acts 2:38,41; 22:16
    Romans 6:5-6

    The Savior's church will have an unpaid ministry. This unpaid ministry will be called "by revelation," even as the apostles called new members to their quorum following the resurrection of Christ.
    Amos 3:7
    Micah 3:11
    John 10:13
    Acts 1:22-26
    1 Corinthians 9:18
    1 Peter 5:2

    Satan is a real spirit being and not a fragment of people's imagination.
    Job 1:6
    Matthew 4:10
    Mark 1:13; 8:33
    Luke 13:16; 22:3, 31
    John 13:27
    Acts 26:18

    The Holy Ghost will bear witness to the truthfulness of the Savior's plan, when it is presented. This is the one sure way of knowing which, if any, of the churches belongs to the Savior.
    John 16:13-14
    1 Corinthians 12:4-12
    Galatians 5:22-26
    Ephesians 1:17

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    Re: 42 Points of the True Church

    I think South Park is just as reliable, they say the Mormons are right too.

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    who exactly is the author that list of 42 points? the human 1 i mean! :
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    This list doesn't demonstrate truth so much as it demonstrates a democratic acceptance of beliefs, from those who "democratically' believe them to be so.

    Take the sabbath day for example. It is only an assumption that the resurrection took place Sunday morning, since there was no check on the tomb Saturday, which was the sabbath.

    Numerous religions can challenge this assumption from a christian perspective.

    The rest are simply assumptions about supposed truth.

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    Well sure....it eliminates the critical thinking. Can't have any of that if you're a fundie!
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    First, there is no evidence of a true church. If such a system were based on that which is logically proveable, we could simply combine it with government and have a totalitarian system that represents all truth, and screw the person who desn't like it.

    Again, keep in mind that anything which can be proven and communicated to another will depend on language. But language is translateable into algorithms, and algoritms can be programmed into computers.

    Anything subject to the logical organization of thought in any decision procedure can be reduce to mechanical functions, which can then be programmed into a computer, which can then become Artificial Intelligence, which can then rule the world according to a logical, rational, mechanical process.

    But we already know from Godel's theorem that truth cannot be packaged into one package, and even assuming there is a God who is the sum of all truth with no contradiction, it would be impossible to represent God by any rational, finite, mechanical process.

    That eliminates both church and state from the running. There is no "one nation under God", and there can be no "one nation under truth".

    Even assuming, therefore, that the bible itself represented truth in any complete system of rational thought, it would not be possible to represent it by any human organization, no matter how disciplined that organization sought to be. Even if it were to develop a consistent axiomatized system of thought to represent truth it would still result in an infinity of undecideable propositions.

    If there is any fundamental decision procedure or algorithm that represented truth, or represented a true church, that decision procedure could not lie within the power of any human, rational, finite organization.

    But that is exactly what Paul told us in Romans 8:29-30 and in Romans chapter 9. No decision procedure exists to get us from "here" to "God", no more than there exists a decision procedure or algorityhm to get us from "here" to 'truth' in a complete and consistent package.

    That being so, the only doctrine which the bible could possibly teach which is consistent with truth, is that we are free from all human organizations, both church and state.

    There exists no legitimate power by which any person can make another subject unless there is harm to another person.

    Legal or moral authority is justified only in a sense of retaliation or "vengeance" for an act of harm against another.

    That, essentially, is what the bible tells us.

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    42?

    can't you boil it down to 10?

    i would rather go to a fake church that had 10 rules than a real one with 42.



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    Holy shit yeah! 42 was the answer to everything! I forgot about that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doojie View Post
    First, there is no evidence of a true church. If such a system were based on that which is logically proveable, we could simply combine it with government and have a totalitarian system that represents all truth, and screw the person who desn't like it.

    Again, keep in mind that anything which can be proven and communicated to another will depend on language. But language is translateable into algorithms, and algoritms can be programmed into computers.

    Anything subject to the logical organization of thought in any decision procedure can be reduce to mechanical functions, which can then be programmed into a computer, which can then become Artificial Intelligence, which can then rule the world according to a logical, rational, mechanical process.

    But we already know from Godel's theorem that truth cannot be packaged into one package, and even assuming there is a God who is the sum of all truth with no contradiction, it would be impossible to represent God by any rational, finite, mechanical process.

    That eliminates both church and state from the running. There is no "one nation under God", and there can be no "one nation under truth".

    Even assuming, therefore, that the bible itself represented truth in any complete system of rational thought, it would not be possible to represent it by any human organization, no matter how disciplined that organization sought to be. Even if it were to develop a consistent axiomatized system of thought to represent truth it would still result in an infinity of undecideable propositions.

    If there is any fundamental decision procedure or algorithm that represented truth, or represented a true church, that decision procedure could not lie within the power of any human, rational, finite organization.

    But that is exactly what Paul told us in Romans 8:29-30 and in Romans chapter 9. No decision procedure exists to get us from "here" to "God", no more than there exists a decision procedure or algorityhm to get us from "here" to 'truth' in a complete and consistent package.

    That being so, the only doctrine which the bible could possibly teach which is consistent with truth, is that we are free from all human organizations, both church and state.

    There exists no legitimate power by which any person can make another subject unless there is harm to another person.

    Legal or moral authority is justified only in a sense of retaliation or "vengeance" for an act of harm against another.

    That, essentially, is what the bible tells us.
    I'm sorry bro. I read all that and all I heard was... BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
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    These 42 points are of a bias opinion. If you really read those verses, you would find that some of them even contradict those points, especially if you read the verses before and after the posted verses. It appears that you have spent a lot of time trying to prove something that is filled with lies. Please study those verses yourself! On some of those points - you have scammed yourself!
    Last edited by TerryP; 04-07-2009 at 07:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike pulcinella View Post
    I'm sorry bro. I read all that and all I heard was... BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
    The question is, does it make any difference what you heard? Truth would not be dependent on your hearing and understanding or my hearing and understanding. It would be true whether anyone understood it or not.

    Matthew 13:14:

    "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing...."

    Is truth a "given"? Not at all. And, not everybody will grasp it.

    Which means that from a biblical perspective, any kind of "salvation" cannot be dependent on our understanding of the correct choices.

    The vast majority will hear BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    42?

    can't you boil it down to 10?

    i would rather go to a fake church that had 10 rules than a real one with 42.



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    what if we boil it down to 1!? like do unto others as.....we see their is an inherent problem that if THEY dont respond in kind...then...........what!? we are NOT HAPPY!? such i am exposed is not greeted by the intended as fair and equitable! so who does the intended think they are anyway!? that's the question isn't it!? what do i know!? that's the question isn't it!? is there an echo in here!? where is here anyway!? what do i know!? ok!stop the madness!! if you can!? nobody can!? end of story!? or is there an escape!? what do i know!? what can i know!? why should i care!? who can make me!? who is making me!? know what i know!? i love it!? and so should you!? is there any other choice!? why is any other choice necessary or even considered!? we may be the askers but who are the answers provided by and by what means should we trust them for our purpose and dedication in life!? :
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    Well, only if you can make a profit and control people...the you got yourself a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    Well, only if you can make a profit and control people...the you got yourself a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    what if we boil it down to 1!? like do unto others as.....we see their is an inherent problem that if THEY dont respond in kind...then...........what!? we are NOT HAPPY!? such i am exposed is not greeted by the intended as fair and equitable! so who does the intended think they are anyway!? that's the question isn't it!? what do i know!? that's the question isn't it!? is there an echo in here!? where is here anyway!? what do i know!? ok!stop the madness!! if you can!? nobody can!? end of story!? or is there an escape!? what do i know!? what can i know!? why should i care!? who can make me!? who is making me!? know what i know!? i love it!? and so should you!? is there any other choice!? why is any other choice necessary or even considered!? we may be the askers but who are the answers provided by and by what means should we trust them for our purpose and dedication in life!? :
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