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    What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    A brief perusal of history manifests for us the destructive force of belief. Technology increases the destructive force that we humans have; plus the obvious fact that technology changes our environment with lightening speed, whereas our intellectual sophistication is stuck in the mud of our ‘beliefs without wonder’.

    The word “belief” has many definitions; we can develop a scale of belief that meanders between the extremes of casual guesswork about both mundane and important matters to beliefs that we willingly live, die, and kill for.

    ‘I believe that it is going to be good weather for the picnic’ to ‘I believe that the planet is getting warmer fast’. Beliefs at this level are about matters of little or great consequence but the belief itself is not about certainty but is about matters still uncertain.

    The content of our belief does not determine its place on our ‘belief scale’. It is our degree of certainty regarding our belief, which determines its position on the scale.

    Belief systems are often characterized by an absolute certainty of truth by many of their members. A sense of certainty plus a sense of being surrounded by treacherous unbelievers are characteristic of many belief systems. Nazism and Marxism contained these features; there is no circumstance or situation in history that cannot be fitted into their ideological views.

    The mention of Nazism and Marxism as examples is not meant to imply that all belief systems are uniformly dangerous. These systems of belief run the whole spectrum from the trivial and harmless to unrestricted evil; from Boy Scouts, to partisan politicians, to Civil War. The important point is that these systems of belief can be exceedingly powerful and the membership is often dedicated to exploiting political action to achieve the group’s selfish goals.

    “The act of belief is always an act against; it requires an opponent who holds the contrary belief.”

    If we (Americans) watch the verbal ping-pong game between the Republicans and Democrats we will quickly comprehend that you can’t have one without the other. If there is no itch to scratch who would be scratching? If there were no socialism what bogyman would capitalism use to define capitalism? Could Protestants exist without a Catholic Church?

    True believers are dedicated to the destruction of the unbelievers. Because belief is always against unbelief, it then is in fact unbelief. The believer and the unbeliever are two sides to the same coin. Each belief is defined by its opponent’s belief. “Both sides depend on each other to know what they believe…belief marks the line at which our thinking stops…

    Quotes from The Religious Case Against Belief by James P. Carse

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Or you can simply believe you are free from human systems of slavery.

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    what is the "force" itself OB1!?is the force absolute!?it has a light and dark side!?the dark side is destructive!? :vader1: :freak3: : : heeh!!....just askn...
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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    It all starts, and ENDS, with BELIEF.

    Three quotes wrap it up, IMHO.

    Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it ...or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.

    ~ Budda

    I've never met a person, I don't care what his condition, in whom I could not see possiblilites. I don't care how much a man may consider himself a failure. I believe in him, for he can change the thing that is wrong in his life any time he is ready and prepared to do it. Whenever he develops the desire he can take away from his life the thing that is defeating it. The capacity for reformation and change lies within.

    ~ Preston Bradley

    You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.

    ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
    Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't say it any better myself!

    That is all!

    Kerry Hein
    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Christianity demands the crucifixion of the intellect.
    ~ Susan Kierkegaard

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    What is the Destructive Force of Belief?
    I don't know but if it has any merit, I'll start believing everything you write.

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Well...here goes nothin!

    If you believe you can, you probably can.
    If you believe you won't, you most assuredly won't.
    Belief is the ignition switch that gets you off the launching pad.

    ~ Denis Waitley

    I've never met a person, I don't care what his condition, in whom I could not see possiblilites. I don't care how much a man may consider himself a failure. I believe in him, for he can change the thing that is wrong in his life any time he is ready and prepared to do it. Whenever he develops the desire he can take away from his life the thing that is defeating it. The capacity for reformation and change lies within.

    ~ Preston Bradley

    Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it ...or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.

    ~ Budda

    One comes to believe whatever one repeats to oneself sufficiently often, whether the statement be true or false. It comes to be the dominating thought in one's mind.

    ~ Robert Collier
    Belief, fascinating subject. It's where it all begins and ends.

    Kerry
    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Christianity demands the crucifixion of the intellect.
    ~ Susan Kierkegaard

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Seems to me the Greeks had this covered: "Doxa" is what's usually rendered as "opinion" in translations of Plato and so on, but also means "belief. It's contrasted by Plato and other philosophers with "episteme," translated as "knowledge" or "science."

    The Socratic critique is that we can hold false beliefs or opinions for a variety of reasons, including letting ourselves be persuaded by Sophists and demagogues who appeal to our emotions or passions instead of our reason. Knowledge, on the other hand, is true by definition: if it ain't true, we can't "know" it. But we can still "believe" it, if we're so inclined.

    The tricky bit is figuring out what's knowledge and what's merely opinion or belief. That's what "reason" is for. In Plato, the highest form of reason is dialectic, while Aristotle favored syllogistic logic. Either way, it's a matter of thinking carefully and systematically (i.e., using rules) instead of favoring one idea over another just because we like the way it makes us feel or because someone we admire or fear is pushing us to accept it.

    As Socrates puts it, more or less, in the dialogue Alcibiades, believing we know things we don't really know is the worst form of stupidity. He and his followers, including Plato, started battling that kind of stupidity more than 2,000 years ago. It's a little unclear whether there's been any headway made.

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Well...here goes nothin!



    Belief, fascinating subject. It's where it all begins and ends.

    Kerry
    so should we find and fascine/subject ourselves onto a beleif with no end in sight? depends? on what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    so should we find and fascine/subject ourselves onto a beleif with no end in sight? depends? on what?
    ALL things, good or bad, come to an end.

    What do you believe?

    The choice, is yours to make.
    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Christianity demands the crucifixion of the intellect.
    ~ Susan Kierkegaard

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    Re: What is the Destructive Force of Belief?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    ALL things, good or bad, come to an end.

    What do you believe?

    The choice, is yours to make.
    sooooo.....that means if it's not 'good' or 'bad'......ther's a chance it wont end? :spin2:
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