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    David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

    David Wilkerson is a false prophet!


    WorldNetDaily reports: Famed pastor predicts imminent catastrophe

    Instead of "famed" pastor, it should state SHAMED pastor, since his false prophecies have failed to come true since his lucrative lying visions begain in the 70s. David Wilkerson is a false prophet. Unlike Herbert W. Armstrong with his prophetic scenarios that were premature but biblical, predictions only, Wilkerson CLAIMS his prophecies, his visions are from God. Apparently not from the God of the Bible since his prophecies and traditional teachings aren't scriptural but most unbiblical, ranging from the rapture to "going to Heaven." God help him to REPENT and read Beyond Babylon that is truly biblical and reveals what we can expect and what we can do about it, so help us God.

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    Re: David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

    Remember all those traditional "Christian" ministers saying RUSSIA would attack us? They were dead wrong.

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    Remember all those traditional "Christian" ministers saying RUSSIA would attack us? They were dead wrong.
    Are you implying you are right about something?

    Anything?

    David?

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    I for one am glad that I now know this.

    I can walk safe in the knowledge that DW is a false prophet.

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    All self proclaimed prophets since the Old Testament have been false prophets. The age of prophesy is over, never to return.

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    Re: David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

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    David Wilkerson is a false prophet!


    WorldNetDaily reports: Famed pastor predicts imminent catastrophe

    Instead of "famed" pastor, it should state SHAMED pastor, since his false prophecies have failed to come true since his lucrative lying visions begain in the 70s. David Wilkerson is a false prophet. Unlike Herbert W. Armstrong with his prophetic scenarios that were premature but biblical, predictions only, Wilkerson CLAIMS his prophecies, his visions are from God. Apparently not from the God of the Bible since his prophecies and traditional teachings aren't scriptural but most unbiblical, ranging from the rapture to "going to Heaven." God help him to REPENT and read Beyond Babylon that is truly biblical and reveals what we can expect and what we can do about it, so help us God.

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    Incest And Inspiration
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    Revelation Revealed At Last!
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    The Missing Dimension In Child Rape

    By The Watcher

    According to the most recently revealed information, Herbert Armstrong, when confronted by his angry son Garner Ted in 1978, admitted before many witnesses not merely to committing repeated acts of incest with his daughter Dorothy from 1936 to 1946. We are now learning that Herbert also admitted to gradually escalating his sexual involvement with her in the previous three years from 1933 to 1936, when she would have been between 13 to 16 years old.

    The thought that the man who claimed to be the End-Time Apostle of God could have been capable of a single such act - let alone 13 years of them - would have been inconceivable to any of us who so enthusiastically swallowed all his wild claims. Most readers of this Web site now know better. But we also know there are still scores of thousands of people out there who remain influenced, wholly or in part, by the false teachers of that foul, contemptible old man.

    The Watcher has found most extraordinary the way in which current members of outfits like Roderick Meredith's Global Church of God, or the United Churches of God, will even admit that Herbert did indeed commit sexual acts with his daughter. Yet these same people with their very next breath continue to claim he was a "true, called servant of God."

    Psychiatrists can, no doubt, give a lot of explanations for the mental mechanisms at work here.

    Even Jack Kessler, in his classic 1981 resignation letter included on this Web site said that, at that time, he still believed that God had called Herbert Armstrong to be His End Time servant. Mr. Kessler wrote that he and all other called members of the Worldwide Church of God were required by the Almighty to obey Herbert, even though by that point he knew Herbert to be guilty of sex perversions, gross financial dishonesty and many other crimes, as well as incest.

    In other words, Herbert had brainwashed the lot of us to swallow his bunkum and imagine that God was working through him and him alone.

    None of us imagined that the man we believed carrying out such a "wonderful" work could have been capable of such monstrous conduct.

    What the scores of thousands of former victims of Herbert STILL need to realize is that the supposed "truths" he taught were the INEVITABLE OUTCOME of the "spiritual" teachings and "divine authority" he claimed to embody.

    A social worker friend of The Watcher's has worked for many years in the appalling field of rescuing children from sexual abuse by their own parents, teachers and religious pastors. Listening to her stories has been quite an education.

    Social services charged with the protection of children, like the Federal Bureau of Investigation, work with personality profiles to help them recognize patterns of abusive and dangerous conduct. The Watcher's friend told him that one of the most common psychological models is the one that links the sexual abuse of children to the onset of religious mania in the parent or authority figure.

    This kind of thing is far more common than almost anyone realizes. The American and Irish Catholic Churches have been rocked by documented examples of such abuse by priests, up to the rank of serving bishops.

    The Watcher's friend told him that incest, child rape and brutal beatings also are far more common in small, extreme fundamentalist Protestant sects. When The Watcher was referred to Jewish social workers in East Coast cities, he found that ultra-Orthodox Jewish circles also suffered from this problem but, like their Catholic and Protestant counterparts, they tried to sweep it under the carpet.

    At least the mainstream Christian and Jewish faiths do not recommend such behavior. But in the Shi'ite Iranian offspring of Islam, men are specifically encouraged to marry young girls before the age of puberty and have full sexual relations with them.

    The late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the mastermind of Iran's 1979 radical Islamic Revolution was a public and enthusiastic champion of such conduct in his "religious" teachings and practiced what he preached. He married his wife of 60 years when she was nine years old.

    Goodness! But as Mae West used to say, "Goodness has nothing to do with it, dearie."

    And so, back to Herbert.

    Let us note, again, that the very years he was cautiously escalating his abuse of his daughter - step by step - during her early teenage years, were the very years that he was also launching his "World Tomorrow" radio broadcast. He started the radio broadcast on Jan. 7, 1934 (Christmas Day according to the Eastern Orthodox Christian calendar, though he never realized it in 52 years of celebrating that date to his own glory).

    Early in 1934, Herbert also launched the "Plain Truth", his mimeographed answer to "Time" magazine. He also made his first false calculations as to when Christ would return. He concluded that would be in the year 1936.

    In other words, Herbert was in a state of increased religious mania during that 1933/4-1936 period.

    Was he heated up to that mania by his sexual desire to abuse his own daughter? Or was it his growing, crazed conviction that "God" really had called him to "do a unique work" that led him to believe that, as the favored and most loved "son" of God, all things were permitted to him? After all, when he told his daughter, "God gave you to me," that was just an extension of the language he was already using to describe his personal, supposedly crucial role in the Divine order of the Universe.

    Readers of this web site should already be familiar with the insight-filled biographical sketch of Herbert by Douglas , and with the extremely valuable psychological profile by William Meyer. These works clearly establish that Herbert Armstrong was literally, clinically mad.

    Herbert's always unstable and fragile ego, his inherent manic-depressive tendencies and his repeatedly documented business failures and utter incompetence in the business world all led, as Bill Meyer acutely discerned, to a total mental collapse in late 1926.

    By 1933, Herbert was in turmoil again. He had crawled and connived to become a minister in the Church of God, Seventh Day. But he was transparently ambitious and obviously obsessed with ludicrous and heretical ideas.

    He was making repeated efforts to introduce ludicrous, crackpot ideas which were not even his own but had been stolen from the likes of Joseph Allen (British Israelism) and G.G. Rupert (Jewish holidays as embodying the Christian plan of salvation, Sabbath keeping and only eating ritually clean meats). As a result, by the fall of 1933, Herbert - as he even admitted (in a manner of speaking) in his autobiography - was again in the humiliating position of being rightly despised and distrusted by most of his colleagues.

    Yet suddenly, the opportunity of radio broadcasting opened up! And right after that, he had the opportunity to fulfil another long-cherished dream and childishly produce his own "dream" magazine on a mimeograph. From the depths of humiliation, Herbert was suddenly catapulted into the heights of achievement, at least in his own imagination. From being in the depths of humiliating despair, he would now have swung, as manic-depressives do, into manic exultation.

    Two consequences would have rapidly followed this transformation. First, one new idea after another - all of them crazed - would have flowed from his overheating mind down into his fluent and facile pen. And, as manic-depressives also do, he would have increasingly thrown caution to the winds in another area, the expression of his darkest erotic dreams and frustrations.

    Modern American history is full of examples of charismatic, psychologically unstable, indeed-crazed individuals who create religious followings by identifying themselves with some Biblical or sacred figure, and who then immediate abuse this immense power by using it to indulge extreme and bizarre sexual desires. There was Charles Manson and his "family"; L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientologists; Jim Jones and his People's Temple cultists in Jonestown, Guyana; and David Koresh at Waco, Texas. Herbert fittingly belongs in such company.

    The pattern is also a very ancient one. Egyptologists were astounded to discover that Pharoah Akhnaton of Egypt's 18th Dynasty in the Late Bronze Age - long acclaimed for introducing a radical form of religious monotheism (worship of a single god) - had married his own mother, Queen Tiy. He even had children by her and sexually abused at least one of his own daughters. The king boastfully recorded all these activities in hieroglyphic writings on his own monuments.

    Akhnaton's crazed state of mind was identical to Herbert's. He regarded himself as a divinely chosen and appointed servant of the one, great god. He claimed to be living in ma'at, cosmic truth. We all recall Herbert's obsession that he was always restoring and unveiling "NEW TRUTHS, BRETHREN!"

    Akhnaton, like Herbert, was a manic builder, obsessed with raising new cities and new temples to his own glory. Shades of the Ambassador Auditorium! Like Herbert, he stole religious writings from anywhere he could lay his hands on them. His famous "Hymn to the Aten" (his Solar-disk god) is lifted straight from Psalm 104 in the Hebrew Bible, scholars have discovered.

    Also like Herbert, Akhnaton was a physically contemptible wimp with no shoulders or chest to speak of and a protruding stomach. Like Herbert, he spent money like water and ruined his own country. And like Herbert, his wild and radical religious innovations were completely discredited right after his death. Like Herbert, however, his myth has attracted gullible fools over the years.

    Akhnaton was the father of the legendary Tutankhamen, who was the Joe Tkach, Snr. of ancient Egypt. Like Old Joe, he immediately dumped the crackpot religious claims of his predecessor as soon as he took power. That's what explains Tut's wild popularity and the sumptuous funeral he received, even though he died young.

    But King Tut was also like Garner Ted Armstrong in that he experienced first hand the warping effects of being the son of a religiously-crazed old pervert. He was married to his half-sister Ankhesenpaaten, but their father Akhnaton insisted on "enjoying" his daughter first. She had a baby girl by her own father who died quickly after her birth.

    In case all this sounds too wild, The Watcher refers his readers to published studies on Akhnaton by H. Brunner and Charles Desroches Noblecourt.

    As another writer dryly pointed out, "The discovery of this fact concerning Akhnaton's daughter diminished the choir of acclaim that was heard in scientific, lay and religious circles whenever the name of the great reformer and monotheist was pronounced." (I. Velikovsky - "Oedipus and Akhnaton")

    In conclusion, we can see that the idiots who quote "The David Defense" to excuse Herbert have everything back to front, just like the twisted old bastard himself.

    Herbert's incest cannot be ignored or excused because he was "used by God to reveal so many new truths."

    Herbert was NEVER USED BY GOD AT ALL. All the "new truths" he claimed to "reveal" were either crackpot lies, or stolen in their entirety from dead men without the slightest acknowledgement.

    Herbert's incest was NOT some unfortunate human weakness in a divinely approved servant. It was the CENTRAL DRIVING FORCE that inspired all his "revelations."

    And once Herbert had gone all the way with his daughter Dorothy, he knew himself he had passed the point of no return. As Douglas so shrewdly observed, 40 years later, speaking in his Last Great Day address in October 1978, Herbert actually admitted that "if I wasn't the Apostle, I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for my chances of salvation."

    At that time, no-one except daughter Dorothy and son Garner Ted knew what he was referring to. None of us would have dreamed of it. But we know better now, don't we? Indeed we do.

    Herbert HAD TO BELIEVE he was the End-Time Apostle. Because IF HE WAS NOT, THEN HE KNEW HE WAS CERTAINLY DAMNED TO HELL AND DESTRUCTION.

    So, Herbert's incest was not some tragic, mysterious weakness that should not attract from his teachings. HIS INCEST DIRECTLY INSPIRED HIS TEACHINGS.

    Singles sad and dumb enough to read and believe "The Missing Dimension in Sex" book in the 1950s and 60s (earlier title, "God Speaks Out About the New Morality") will remember that Herbert was particularly obsessed about the evils of masturbation. We now know he practiced it intensely into his 80s, as his son approaching 70 still does in front of prostitutes.

    He was even more obsessed with condemning teenagers or adult singles from as much as touching the finger of their (single) girl friends. This, from a man who routinely and unrepentantly practiced the most repulsive and unimaginable forms of sexual child abuse imaginable.

    Why was he so obsessed about the harmless act of touching one's boy, or girl, friend?

    That must have been how he started out abusing his own daughter. A touch here and a touch there, slowly escalating his crimes over the years, always pushing the envelope, always trying to see how much further he could go.

    There are no extenuating circumstances there. If the harsh, literal Old Testament law he endlessly preached was practiced in society the way he always shrieked it should be, Herbert W. Armstrong should have been doused with petroleum and the match thrown.

    He earned nothing less.
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    Re: David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ben-Ariel View Post
    David Wilkerson is a false prophet!


    WorldNetDaily reports: Famed pastor predicts imminent catastrophe

    Instead of "famed" pastor, it should state SHAMED pastor, since his false prophecies have failed to come true since his lucrative lying visions begain in the 70s. David Wilkerson is a false prophet. Unlike Herbert W. Armstrong with his prophetic scenarios that were premature but biblical, predictions only, Wilkerson CLAIMS his prophecies, his visions are from God. Apparently not from the God of the Bible since his prophecies and traditional teachings aren't scriptural but most unbiblical, ranging from the rapture to "going to Heaven."
    http://www.hwarmstrong.com/prophet-1.htm




    God help him to REPENT and read Beyond Babylon that is truly biblical and reveals what we can expect and what we can do about it, so help us God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotParadox View Post
    Gratuitous plug of gargantuan size.

    Val, that is what DBA uses this site for.

    Think about it.

    How often does he start a thread, which doesn't, at some point, act as a plug for either his waste-of-trees book?

    How often do we see garbage that has been recycled from his site, which no one wants to read?

    The owner should be charging him for advertising space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeah Well Fine Then View Post
    Val, that is what DBA uses this site for.

    Think about it.

    How often does he start a thread, which doesn't, at some point, act as a plug for either his waste-of-trees book?

    How often do we see garbage that has been recycled from his site, which no one wants to read?

    The owner should be charging him for advertising space.

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    So true. And if he's not plugging his crap within the post proper, fear not. The plug is within his signature. Correction:It is his signature. One way or the other, every DBA post is a gratuitous plug. You hit the nail on the head, Steve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotParadox View Post
    So true. And if he's not plugging his crap within the post proper, fear not. The plug is within his signature. Correction:It is his signature. One way or the other, every DBA post is a gratuitous plug. You hit the nail on the head, Steve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thistle View Post
    Are you implying you are right about something?
    I dare to share the plain truth of the Bible and history and if you choose to remain in denial or woefully ignorant about it - that's your prerogative.

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    The age of prophesy is over, never to return.
    So you're not familiar with the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11? Or the promises that the gift of prophecy would increase in these latter days of civilization as we know it?

    The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.

    Who are these two prophets? What do they have to say? Why are they called the two witnesses? How will their message be proclaimed? And is there any special significance to the fact that they're headquartered in Jerusalem?

    God's Church has often wondered about these things, but we ALL need to know the answers to these vital questions, especially since the two witnesses will soon make their debut upon the world stage!

    Even as the United Europe, the German-EU, is being raised up before our very eyes, just as Herbert W. Armstrong said it would, isn't it reasonable that God is raising up the two witnesses who will testify against it?

    And even as God's Church is approaching the end of their great commission (Herbert W. Armstrong took the Gospel around the world, the Church of God must warn the world), isn't it only reasonable that the two witnesses should be beginning theirs? (John 3:30).

    Didn't Isaiah foresee this very event when he prophesied of the "night when no man can work," but assures us of two whom God would simultaneously raise up to impart their light? (Isaiah 60:1-2).

    It appears that the full power and glory of Elijah's office isn't to be fulfilled until AFTER God's Church has been removed to "her place" and a double portion of God's Spirit is transferred to our successor -- the two witnesses! (Revelation 12:14; 2 Kings 2:9).

    God states that He shall station watchmen in Jerusalem. Why? For the purpose of comforting His captive Church and Israelite people. How will they be comforted? By the ASSURANCE that our God will come and save us and avenge us of our enemies (Isaiah 62:6-7; 40:1; 35:3-4)! The specific commission and anointing of the two witnesses is clearly recorded in Isaiah 61:1-2.

    Remember your Roots

    Malachi 4:5-6 further reveals that they are to PREPARE THE NATION of Israel for the Coming of our King, by a baptism of repentance that will prepare them to receive the Holy Spirit (which is to be poured out at Christ's return). That national preparation is only possible if Israel's heart is turned back to the heart of our fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), and then, in turn, our hearts must be turned back to the GOD of our fathers and His TRUE religion.
    Presently there's a "generation gap" between the fathers and us because the true religion demands obedience to the Law of God. Abraham recognizes only the obedient as his legal heirs (Genesis 18:19; John 8:39; Galatians 3:29). And since we're a rebellious nation and people (Isaiah 30:9), Abraham refuses to acknowledge us (Isaiah 63:16; Hosea 5:7; 6:7).

    If Israel dares to reject this necessary "family reunion" that would direct us to our Heavenly Father, God will be forced to destroy all rebellious life from off the face of the earth. Why? Because Israel is God's national firstborn and the law demands death to stubborn sons (Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Malachi 4:6)!

    God realizes that if Israel can't be saved, then no nation can. The continued existence of Israel is vital to the survival of ALL nations, because Israel is the national salt as the Church of God is the spiritual salt!
    Because of the COVENANT that God entered into with Abraham, Israel is the racial elect, and for our fathers' sakes God has always left us a REMNANT, ordained some survivors, to keep His Promise alive (Matthew 24:22; Isaiah 1:9). We are to return to our fathers and their true religion and remember the Covenant (2 Chronicles 30:6; I Kings 18:36-37; Isaiah 51:1-3). This is the commission of the two witnesses. That Covenant reveals Christ as Lord and Savior, Priest and King - not just one or the other. He is to save us from men and deliver us from sin (Luke 2:68-69)!

    Israel's National Deliverer

    It's important to note that God's Message throughout the ages has always been affected by events and conditions. The early apostles preached the Gospel, but placed special emphasis on proving that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah - because that was the issue of their day. Herbert W. Armstrong has preached the Gospel, but with a special emphasis on Christ's necessary intervention to save us from total annihilation - because the burning question of human survival hangs in the balance! God's two witnesses will proclaim the Gospel, but will place special emphasis on the fact that Christ is ISRAEL'S NATIONAL MESSIAH and is coming to SAVE them specifically.

    Why? Because the ancient Covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Isn't it interesting that Jesus came to confirm the Covenant during Judah's oppression; the time when fear and doubt would seek to undermine faith in God's Contract (Luke 2:38)? The true Gospel is going to become very relevant and personal to every captive Israelite, because that GOOD NEWS assures Israel's deliverance and vengeance on their enemies (Isaiah 35:4)! That "Strong Hand from Someplace" that Mr. Armstrong spoke of so often, will wrest the world from the clutches of the Roman eagle!

    The spearhead of the message of the two witnesses will be directed to Israel, but will also include the Gentiles. Presently God's Work, following an established pattern, witnesses predominately to the nations of Israel, though including the Gentiles to a lesser degree. God sends His prophets to Israel, but often they also address the Gentiles with a warning message, never leaving them without a witness.

    Undoubtedly the Book of Revelation will be utilized to identify the Beast and False Prophet, but basically "Babylon" will be warned by the two witnesses when Israel's offered vengeance and deliverance - indicting Europe of sin, warning them to repent or suffer the consequences. Europe must restrain their brute force or be imprisoned and destroyed! Some precious Europeans will fear God and respond like the Hebrew midwives and certain of Pharaoh's servants.
    There are also the shining examples of those who protected the Jews from Hitler's Nazis. (I'm especially thankful for the Polish family of Jan Bulski who hid my "kibbutz mother," Miriam Weiss. She had originally been in the Warsaw Ghetto until a place was found for her. Sorrowfully, Miriam's mother had to remain behind (and was sent to Treblinka where she died), but she was so happy for her daughter to escape). God readily accepts the righteous Gentiles.

    Conditions for Release

    Israel will quickly repent, expecting instant liberation, but the two witnesses will then have to explain the Covenant STIPULATIONS FOR OUR DELIVERANCE.

    The Covenant stipulations are: First, confess and forsake our sins and traditions of men, as the CAUSE of our national distress. Second, we must accept the corrective punishment for our sins (Leviticus 26:40-42). Israel will quickly submit to these stipulations, desiring deliverance, but will be aghast to discover themselves still enslaved (Proverbs 1:28-31)! Their initial confused reaction will be to question the Message of Vengeance/Deliverance. At Israel's critical juncture, crying, "Haven't we straightened up? Isn't God going to forgive us? Have we been forsaken after all?" The two witnesses will then impart an even greater insight and depth of understanding of the Covenant conditions. How? By instructing Israel how they must ACCEPT THE CORRECTIVE PUNISHMENT! And as for their words, "God has forsaken us," God hasn't forsaken them. THEY HAVE FORSAKEN GOD!

    Israel must reap the whirlwind that they've sown to realize the evil of their way. We must understand that we are RESPONSIBLE for all the suffering and misery we'll experience in captivity (Jeremiah 4:18). Israel WILL be forgiven, but "I will correct you in measure, and will not leave you altogether unpunished" (Jeremiah 30:11). Israel must accept the fact that they're not going to be delivered overnight, and that to accept the corrective punishment means to actually receive it—UNTIL the appointed Time when God will hear and intervene on our behalf (Isaiah 49:8)!

    We may be comforted in that there IS a PURPOSE being worked our here below! And of Israel it is written: "You are My servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified" (Isaiah 49:3). Israel will fulfill her call, by the power of God's Holy Spirit, but first she must confess and forsake her sins, and in true humility accept the corrective punishment incurred by them - then will God come with His Vengeance/Deliverance! It's certain!

    God will never forsake His People Israel, though Israel will temporarily feel that He has. But God will disperse such fears and embrace His Elect (Isaiah 49:15). Though God will definitely allow us to suffer for our sins, God suffers when we suffer because He really does love and pity us (Isaiah 63:9). When we're in the thick of it - the Time of Jacob's Trouble - He'll be there for us (Genesis 22:13; Matthew 27:29).

    Our Faithful God promises that He'll never leave or forsake us, but as IMMANUEL will ever be aware of us, even saying: "I WILL BE WITH YOU..." as He promised our fathers who whom's sake we're beloved.

    "Therefore, FEAR NOT...neither be dismayed...for lo, I WILL SAVE YOU..." (Jeremiah 30:10-11).

    Delay isn't Denial

    God will, as a responsible Father, send corrective punishment. But understanding that it's for our ultimate good, we're not to despise it or get bitter towards God. God wants to insure our minds are indelibly impressed with the understanding of WHY the Great Tribulation will occur, and how we're to accept the correction with hope and not despair. We have to remember that the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is TEMPORARY, and that there is a purpose for it all (Ezekiel 14:23).

    Just as surely as the bad news Herbert W. Armstrong foretold will come true, so also will the GOOD NEWS he announced come to pass!

    God will hear our prayers and accept our heartfelt prayers, in accordance to the Covenant (2 Chronicles 7:14). But "In an acceptable time I have heard you, and in a day of salvation have I helped you..." (Isaiah 49:8). Yes, the two witnesses are even "to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God..." (Isaiah 61:2). We must never forget that DELAY ISN'T DENIAL (Micah 7:7-10).

    Israel must come to understand that any delay is to enable us to prepare to meet our God (Amos 4:12). We will be given sufficient time to demonstrate our change of heart.

    Before ancient Israel entered into the Old Covenant, they were given two days to sanctify themselves for the third day when God would appear. Apparently, modern Israel and Judah are also given "two days" to prepare themselves for the New Covenant (Hosea 6:1-2). We know for sure that Christ is to intervene in world affairs around the third year of our captivity!

    Therefore, while bearing the "indignation" of the Eternal, in acceptance of the corrective punishment, we're to repent and prepare for Christ's coming! Israel will await salvation, knowing that when their captivity's time has expired and the prophecies been fulfilled, God Almighty will begin His process of deliverance!

    Faith and Patience

    Understanding the PURPOSE of the apparent delay in their deliverance, Israel will be comforted and wait with hope on the Lord. Israel must develop and exercise FAITH AND PATIENCE!

    We're to have faith in God's promise of Vengeance/Deliverance, and quietly await it in patience. We're to persevere in hope, comforted by our understanding, possess peace knowing that deliverance is sure, and joy in that our prayers have been heard! Truly, the two witnesses are instrumental in comforting Israel, imparting insight into the necessary steps of repentance, and encouraging Jacob to "hang in there!"

    It's only those who endure to the end, who refuse to give up, who never surrender, who will be saved; but "blessed are all they that wait for Him" (Isaiah 30:18). God will accept the humble and contrite spirit that a conquered and repentant Israel will have, and will revive their heart lest they fall into despair beyond repair. God will heal and forgive Jacob: "I will lead him also and will restore comforts unto him and his mourners" (Isaiah 57:15-17).

    We must have faith in God's deliverance and patiently await it. "If any man have an ear, let him hear...here is the faith and patience of the saints" (Revelation 13:9-10). "And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us; this is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation!" (Isaiah 25:9). "Nevertheless, when the Son of man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"(Lk. 18:7-8).

    Israel will understand that delay isn't denial, but enables preparation for salvation (2 Peter 3:9), but Europe will be condemned for their misinterpretation of it as a justification for their atrocities (Jeremiah 50:7)! The delay isn't only for Israel, it's also an opportunity for Europe to repent! Europe is not condemned because they unite. Europe MUST unite!

    Europe is not condemned because they attack and conquer the nations of Israel. Europe is condemned because of their pride and excessive punishment of Israel!

    God will deliver Israel - because of our sins - into the hands of our European enemies. Europe is intended to deliver the corrective punishment necessary to jolt Israel to her spiritual senses. Instead Europe will attribute their awesome military conquests to themselves and their politico-religious system!

    Europe, drunk on their success, will then no longer be utilized by God to correct Israel in measure (Jeremiah 30:11), but by SATAN who seeks to destroy Israel (Isa. 47:6)! That explains why Christ will assist Judah in their revolt against an authority no longer constituted by God (Zechariah 12:5). God intends for Israel to be punished (Zechariah 1:15), but evil Europe, oblivious to their own sins (2 Chronicles 28:10), will execute cruel and unusual punishment!

    Europe's leaders state their "historical obligation" to unite Europe. Apparently their grasp of history and destiny isn't as great as they like to imagine. The same Europe who effectively wields history to support their state will undermine it by ignoring Biblical examples! The Roman restoration is bound to deteriorate! The Bible is replete with warnings to the Gentiles not to abuse what God delivers into their hands (Dan. 5:22-23). God decries Europe's ignorance of Biblical history and takes them to task for forgetting their ordained purpose (Isaiah 47:7; Deuteronomy 32:29)!

    Plagues and Protection

    Europe will taunt Israel, saying, "Where is your God?" The irony of the blasphemous taunt is that it reveals the effectiveness of the two witnesses' message, because Israel is trusting in God for deliverance, and it furthers the penetration of it! When the prison guards mock our message of comfort it will arouse the Eternal to intervene for HIS Name's Sake (Joel 2:17; Micah 7:10)!

    Even as God poured out His plagues on Egypt, revealing Himself as far above all, so also will God pour out His plagues on Europe to reveal Himself as the Most High God! When God overthrows Europe's counterfeit kingdom, the pinnacle of human success, it will identify HIM alone as the ETERNAL (1 Kgs. 18:39)! When Messiah deposes the Beast and False Prophet, history's most powerful beings, that leaves the Great God, the God of Heaven as GOD ALONE (Daniel 2:35)!

    God wants all mankind to come to know Him. Remember Abraham is the father of many nations. God's salvation will ultimately include Egypt and Assyria with Israel (Isaiah 19:23-25). God's Temple is to be a House of Prayer for ALL nations.

    Previously God only offered His Holy Spirit to select individuals. They became the foundation of God's Church. Then God offered His Holy Spirit to a collective group who became His Church. We're numbered among those chosen few who will assist Christ when He rules. This expanding principle reveals that Israel will become the first NATION to receive God's Holy Spirit. We've all been trained to teach others later. Israel is simply to become God's Instrument, serving as a "light to all nations."

    Unfortunately, some captive Israelites' faith will be shaken by their mocking guards. We must not be blinded by the sight of Europe's apparent success! Europe will have conquered her enemies and become a very prosperous kingdom - all of which they will attribute to their idolatrous religious system. God will remind Israel of His purpose and exhort them to fear God and not man. Europe will soon be defeated by Israel's Messiah (Isaiah 10:24-25; 37:23; 51:7)! Others will follow after false messiahs offering salvation before the appointed time (Isaiah 51:14; Luke 17:22-24). When the Day of the Lord has truly arrived, GOD will avenge and deliver His People Israel! Europe will have fulfilled the iniquity of Babylon and incurred the just wrath, plagues and indignation of the Eternal for His physical and spiritual people and Temple (Jeremiah 51:11, 35, 62; Revelation 6:10). God will have previously warned Israel and Europe about His "seven last plagues." God extends His offer of protection to repentant Israelites AND Gentiles alike (Revelation 7:4,9,14).

    Jerusalem's Liberation

    God will station the two witnesses in Jerusalem (on and around the Temple Mount) to direct Israel's attention there (Revelation 11:3; Jeremiah 51:50). Why? Because Jerusalem and the true Gospel are inseparable! The GOOD NEWS of our imminent Vengeance/Deliverance will be announced from the future capital of God's One World Government, because the Messiah will reign from the Throne of His father David!

    Jerusalem will be the first to be liberated when Christ descends upon the Mount of Olives, enabling the historic site of David's Throne to be secured - then shall all Israel be saved when the Messiah goes forth from Zion! Christ will be proclaimed King (Isaiah 52:7). Jerusalem's redemption from Gentile occupation is Israel's comfort, because when the Messiah reigns in the City of our God, Israel's deliverance will have arrived!

    The two witnesses are witnesses in advance, by faith, of the Day when "the LORD shall bring again Zion" (Isaiah 52:8-9; 62:6-7). As watchmen they await its fulfillment, though already ANNOUNCING IT as fact (Isaiah 40:1- 2; Romans 4:17). They herald the imminent Zionist Movement of ALL Israel, under Shiloh (Genesis 49:10), back to the Land of Zion and Jerusalem! They will prophesy the RESTORATION OF ISRAEL and assure Jerusalem of future glory, promising the Temple shall be built (Isaiah 44:26-28; Ezekiel 40-48). These two prophets, in "the spirit of Elijah," must IDENTIFY MESSIAH TO JUDAH AND INTRODUCE HIM TO ISRAEL!

    When are the Two Witnesses Resurrected?

    It's time to understand what the Bible teaches on this subject. Many have carelessly assumed that their resurrection -- to occur three and one half days after their death takes place at the same time as Christ's coming. THAT IS WRONG! Such a teaching contradicts the clear scripture: "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7). All we would have to do is count three and one half days after they've been martyred and we would know the day and practically the hour! Besides the Scripture plainly states immediately following their resurrection: "The second woe is past and the third woe comes quickly" (Revelation 11:14). The third woe is simultaneous with Jesus' coming and the pouring out of the 7 last plagues in His presence.

    The two witnesses will be restored to human life after three and one half days, corresponding to their three and one half years of ministry, as a SIGN that Israel - who'll be as good as dead - will also be resurrected! There is life after Babylon! Then "air transportation" will be provided for them just like it was for Enoch and Elijah - who flew the friendly skies of the first heaven. The two witnesses will be transferred to another location on earth, undoubtedly united with the brethren in "her place", to await the imminent return of Christ!

    Israel's Restoration

    Israel is informed that she will supervise the Gentiles who will rebuild the ruins (Isaiah 61:4-6,9). God promised Abraham to be our God and give us the Land of Israel (not Ishmael) as our inheritance. (Satan seeks to erase Israel's name off the map by calling it "Palestine"! [Psalm 83:4]). God promises to restore that Land to us again (Ezekiel 11:17), and expresses jealousy for it to support only Israel (Jeremiah 10:25). God promises to remember us and our land when we repent (Leviticus 26:42; 2 Chronicles 7:14). The land will have enjoyed its Sabbaths during our exile, but after our return we will respect the land and it will become a virtual Eden! (Ezekiel 36:35).

    The Land and lives of Israel, both seemingly barren and desolate, shall blossom as the rose by the refreshing waters of God's Holy Spirit. That's the MIRACLE that will glorify God's Power before all nations!

    When Christ returns, Israel will be transformed into a formidable force. We're to assist in the punishment of our enemies (Isaiah 11:12-14; 41:15-16; Micah 4:12-13; 5:9; Habakkuk 3:12; Daniel 2:35; Psalms 149:6-9). Victory is certain during our great trek Home, following Shiloh's command. Captive Israel will be assured of a Homeland of rest and peace, of quiet living without fear and terror (Isaiah 32:18).

    Blessed be God who will have arranged for our "family reunion" with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Blessed be God who will have respect for His Covenant and save us a remnant. And blessed be God who will mightily anoint two men, two witnesses, with the sacred oil of His Holy Spirit to illuminate Israel from Jerusalem with love!

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    But yet you follow the flawed HWA
    You expose more of your flaws by repeating such hearsay.

    Some indulge in spreading sexual rumors about Herbert W. Armstrong, attacking the messenger since they can't refute the plain truth of the Bible he courageously taught.

    Those who are guilty of gossiping about Herbert W. Armstrong will have "hell" to pay, if they remain unrepentant. Those guilty of spreading dirt must answer: Do you believe everything you hear or read? If it were true, why wasn't Mr. Armstrong ever indicted or convicted for it? Those are some serious accusations.

    15 Accusations and Truthful Responses about Herbert W. Armstrong

    Those who truly are Christians understand that the Christian thing to do, especially in light of the fact that the worst accusations against Herbert W. Armstrong would be thrown out of court, dismissed for lack of evidence, is to give Herbert W. Armstrong the benefit of the doubt, as we would want, knowing we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and trust that if and wherever sin MIGHT have occurred, Mr. Armstrong repented of it and rest assured that the blood of Christ is more than sufficient to cover him.

    It becomes clear that Satan is the accuser of the brethren and stirs up hateful individuals who can't refute the truth of what Mr. Armstrong taught so they engage in diversionary tactics and attack the messenger. We're not ignorant of such demonic devices.

    Romans 8:1

    There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus...

    Romans 8:33-34

    Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

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    Re: David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

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    every DBA post is a gratuitous plug.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gratuitous

    Main Entry: gra·tu·itous
    Pronunciation: \grə-ˈtü-ə-təs, -ˈtyü-\
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Latin gratuitus, from gratus
    Date: 1656
    1 a : given unearned or without recompense b : not involving a return benefit, compensation, or consideration c : costing nothing : free
    gra·tu·itous·ly adverb
    gra·tu·itous·ness noun


    Every post that I graciously share the plain truth of the Bible, history and current events is priceless, even as Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall is freely offered - gratis - to read online without charge.

    If my generosity disturbs you, don't read my posts. That's how mature adults would respond. After all, nobody twisted your arm to come here and complain, did they? Move along...

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    HWA

    Do the sins of Solomon or King David somehow negate the truth God has taught through them? Should their inspiring Psalms and words of wisdom be stricken from the biblical record? Of course not!

    Does the imperfection of Jews make null and void theoracles of God entrusted to them throughout the generations? Of course not!

    Yet those who simply cannot refute the plain truth of the Bible that Herbert W. Armstrong taught, often dishonestly engage in diversionary tactics to shoot the messenger! Even if a fraction of the accusations against Herbert W. Armstrong were true, it's IRRELEVANT! The seventh day Sabbath continues to be the Sabbath of the Lord, the biblical dietary laws remain in effect, and the King of the Jews will soon return and reign from Jerusalem!

    Those deceitful souls,apostate Christians, Christian reprobates, who engage in these diversionary tactics to shoot the messenger, since they cannot refute the plain truth of the Bible Mr. Armstrong dared to share, also indulge in Mr. Armstrong's speculations as if they were prophecies, even though speculation is not prophecy - especially when they're not prefaced with a "Thus saith the Lord." Unlike Herbert Armstrong with his prophetic scenarios that were premature but biblical, predictions only, David Wilkerson and other traditional Christian ministers CLAIM their prophecies, their visions are from God!

    Why don't you just be honest and admit you hate Herbert W. Armstrong because he spoke the plain truth that CANNOT be refuted? that your traditional Churchianity is merely baptized paganism the Bible condemns as part of Mystery Babylon? For exposing your SUNday as a pagan counterfeit of the biblical Sabbath; your pagan holidays you've sought with your replacement theology to replace the biblical festivals; that sheeple like you bleat they're born again and don't have a clue what they're talking about, since we're born again at the Resurrection only; that God is not the sadist traditional Christians make Him out to be; that the meek inherit the Earth -- not float off to Heaven; that you're not an immortal soul, eternal life is a gift from God; the wicked will be destroyed, ashes under our feet; we can become literal God-beings, members of the Kingdom-Family of God?
    Why don't you just confess and forsake your sins of murderous hatred against HWA for slaughtering your "sacred cow" and exposing it as religious bull from Babylon? - Herbert W. Armstrong Was Ahead of His Time!

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    Re: David Wilkerson is a false prophet!

    Those who truly are Christians understand that the Christian thing to do, especially in light of the fact that the worst accusations against Herbert W. Armstrong would be thrown out of court, dismissed for lack of evidence, is to give Herbert W. Armstrong the benefit of the doubt, as we would want, knowing we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and trust that if and wherever sin MIGHT have occurred, Mr. Armstrong repented of it and rest assured that the blood of Christ is more than sufficient to cover him.
    Bullshit. Nice try though.

    Your "leader" was a hypocritical-abusing shitbag. There is plenty of evidence and testimony from others to support that statement and, no amount of wishing or denial from you can change that.

    Armstrong was cult leader who brainwashed the weak minded like yourself...those who are so easily convinced because they lack the self-respect and courage to stand and think for themselves...those who need to have their hands held to "make it all better".

    You're a child, David…a helpless, weak-minded child who is afraid to face the world and reality without his crutch of religion.
    "Religion is a heavy suitcase: all you have to do is put it down."
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