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    Obama's First Address to Congress

    So Obama addressed the Congress for the Ist time....!

    In his speech,his words were not more than the claping done by the Members.
    It means that every single word of his speech was superb and a hope for the Americans.

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    Well, the messiah spoke to the nation. Too bad he didn't clarify that everything he said was 5% truth and the rest lies. Loved the part about no earmarks were added to the so-called 'Stimulus Bill.' Of course not, they were already in it.

    Then he tried to say that he was going to be tough on terrorism, and just hours before he had one of the biggest and deadliest terrorists turned loose from GB. I'm sure the terrorist was so thrilled that he will immediately turn over a new leaf and start promoting peace in the Middle East.

    A lot of heart in the presentation, but no substance. Of course that has been his MO all along. All talk and no show. I bet he was thinking all through the speech, I wonder how many American's I have snowed with this speech, because none of it will ever happen? After telling the nation that he was going to cut spending, Congress passed another major spending bill on top of the 'stimulus' joke. In one week, he has outspent Bush 3-1. Gotta love it.

    The only thing he said that I totally agree with is increasing the pay of the military and providing vet's with the benefits they deserve.

    Wonder how all these professional athelete's feel about being taxed to death? Bet they didn't see that one coming. Wonder what they think of the messiah now? LOL!

    Hmm, wonder how Michelle, by belle, will spend her tax cut? Wonder if it would cover the cost of a pair of earrings? We know it won't cover lunch at the hotel. She spent more on caviar for one lunch when campaigning than the amount of this tax cut. God I hope we survive these next four years. He is worse than Carter and FDR all rolled into one.
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    Obama Lied, Economy Fried


    FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow
    By CALVIN WOODWARD and JIM KUHNHENN,
    Associated Press Writers
    Wed Feb 25, 5:46 am ET



    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that their taxes will be used to rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

    But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

    Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

    The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress — and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

    A look at some of his assertions:

    OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

    THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

    Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

    "I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

    Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

    "I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

    ___

    OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."

    THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

    ___

    OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."

    THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

    ___

    OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."

    THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

    Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.

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    OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."

    THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

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    OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

    THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

    Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

    ___

    OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."

    THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

    In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

    If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

    ___

    OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

    THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

    The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error."

    Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Too bad he didn't clarify that everything he said was 5% truth and the rest lies. Loved the part about no earmarks were added to the so-called 'Stimulus Bill.' Of course not, they were already in it.

    A lot of heart in the presentation, but no substance. Of course that has been his MO all along. All talk and no show. I bet he was thinking all through the speech, I wonder how many American's I have snowed with this speech, because none of it will ever happen? After telling the nation that he was going to cut spending, Congress passed another major spending bill on top of the 'stimulus' joke. In one week, he has outspent Bush 3-1. Gotta love it.
    You're going to have a very hard time actually making a real point out of that. Find me someone who could have actually done better. Of course his speech was full of baloney, but so would have anyone else's speech if they were president right now. The only difference is that Obama can make a better sounding speech out of it. I'm going to wait and see how this pans out over the course of a few years. If things even only get slightly better then people who take a stance such as yours will have lost almost all of their credibility (and ours will be lost if he is wrong). BTW you're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to attack FDR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Well, the messiah spoke to the nation. Too bad he didn't clarify that everything he said was 5% truth and the rest lies. Loved the part about no earmarks were added to the so-called 'Stimulus Bill.' Of course not, they were already in it.

    Then he tried to say that he was going to be tough on terrorism, and just hours before he had one of the biggest and deadliest terrorists turned loose from GB. I'm sure the terrorist was so thrilled that he will immediately turn over a new leaf and start promoting peace in the Middle East.

    A lot of heart in the presentation, but no substance. Of course that has been his MO all along. All talk and no show. I bet he was thinking all through the speech, I wonder how many American's I have snowed with this speech, because none of it will ever happen? After telling the nation that he was going to cut spending, Congress passed another major spending bill on top of the 'stimulus' joke. In one week, he has outspent Bush 3-1. Gotta love it.

    The only thing he said that I totally agree with is increasing the pay of the military and providing vet's with the benefits they deserve.

    Wonder how all these professional athelete's feel about being taxed to death? Bet they didn't see that one coming. Wonder what they think of the messiah now? LOL!

    Hmm, wonder how Michelle, by belle, will spend her tax cut? Wonder if it would cover the cost of a pair of earrings? We know it won't cover lunch at the hotel. She spent more on caviar for one lunch when campaigning than the amount of this tax cut. God I hope we survive these next four years. He is worse than Carter and FDR all rolled into one.
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    [quote=brucefan;730746]Obama Lied, Economy Fried


    FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow
    By CALVIN WOODWARD and JIM KUHNHENN,
    Associated Press Writers
    Wed Feb 25, 5:46 am ET



    ___

    OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

    THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

    I think we can all agree that after spending a trillion dollars that Obama will be able to meet his commitment on the 3.5 million jobs. I mean does anyone really think that even Obama's policies will result in less than 3.5 million people working in the US? As long as there are that many people working he can claim success!

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    the socialists can hire half of us to administer government welfare programs and the other half as his internal security force.

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...force-for.html
    In Barack Obama’s July 2, 2008 speech calling America to national service, Obama proposed “a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military... This has prompted some in the blogosphere to raise the specter of a huge new domestic paramilitary organization. Others suggest that he may have been talking about our “current non-military security agencies...


    He said: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    and the other half as his internal security force.
    Doesn't the Right Wing normally support large police forces?

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    only if you think China and USSR were right wing. in a free society, there are many poitical parties and lots of noisy arguments. in a socialist/communist society only one political party and only one point of view is allowed.

    what's the second party in China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    only if you think China and USSR were right wing. in a free society, there are many poitical parties and lots of noisy arguments. in a socialist/communist society only one political party and only one point of view is allowed.

    what's the second party in China?
    So Nazi Germany, all the Shira Law nations, and the US-backed Latin dictators were also left wing?

    You got the communist part right, but I'd hardly call Canada, Australia, or Western Europe an area crawling with brutal dictators.

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    NAZI is National Socialist, but the american and european potheads have to ignore that, 'cause the socialism they are talking about is, the government pays for grandma's operation, while the pothead continues to spend all his money on pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles View Post
    NAZI is National Socialist, but the american and european potheads have to ignore that, 'cause the socialism they are talking about is, the government pays for grandma's operation, while the pothead continues to spend all his money on pot.
    that's only part of the question though, Socialism is a leftist economic system, but Nazism is a rightist political system. Economic systems are irrelevant to personal freedoms. There are capitalist dictatorships and socialist democracies. Let it be known to you, not every country in the world with socialized medicine is run on gulags and KGB police.

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    Hmmm, not everyone in Obama's party is going merrily along with the new President's power surge. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.V.), the longest-serving senator in U.S. history, is openly criticizing Obama's growing circle of policy "czars." Yesterday, he took his leader to task for trying to bypass the system and empower a group of unelected and unaccountable advisors. The letter to President Obama, excerpts of which were reprinted on Politico.com, accuses the administration of an executive branch "power grab." This hierarchy "can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances," Byrd wrote.

    "At the worst, White House staff have taken direction and control of programmatic areas that are the statutory responsibility of Senate-confirmed officials... As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, and to virtually anyone but the president," he argued. "They rarely testify before congressional committees, and often shield the information and decision-making process behind the assertion of executive privilege. In too many instances, White House staff have been allowed to inhibit openness and transparency, and reduce accountability."

    But wait, I thought the messiah was going to end all this secrecy, power grab that Bush did, and have an open and transparent presidency. Sounds like things are not going as planned with the secret power grabs, total control, in short a dictatorship. You know how you called Bush, King George.

    "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher

    By the way, where are all the libs? I thought they would be all over this forum bragging how open, honest, transparent the messiah's presidency was. I thought the messiah was an moderate, and a middle of the road lib. Give him 2 years and we will be Russia under Stalin. And you all thought GW wanted to be a dictator. ROFLOL!
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    I thought now that the Dems were in power, we were going to have all this fiscal responsibility, and a balanced budget within 2 years. Now he is offering a budget that is more than the first 5 years of budgets submitted by Bush. Sure glad he believes in a balanced budget! ROFLOL!

    Oh wait, he has to outspend Bush 5-1 then he is going to balance the budget. I guess he believes that you get yourself out of a well by pulling yourself up by the handle of the bucket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I thought now that the Dems were in power, we were going to have all this fiscal responsibility, and a balanced budget within 2 years. Now he is offering a budget that is more than the first 5 years of budgets submitted by Bush. Sure glad he believes in a balanced budget! ROFLOL!

    Oh wait, he has to outspend Bush 5-1 then he is going to balance the budget. I guess he believes that you get yourself out of a well by pulling yourself up by the handle of the bucket.
    When someone breaks in, steals all of your stuff, and shits on the rug, you're going to have higher priorities than balancing the budget. There's a difference between Obama's and Bush's deficits. Bush spent most of his money on crap that didn't help anything at all. Obama's spending a shitload more money to clean up after him. Trying to clean up a bad budget by spending more money does seem strange, yes, but people like you have suggested virtually no reasonable alternatives. Keep doing what we've been doing? Yeah, OK. Cut spending and taxes? Definitely not something worth trying now. Ron Paul's economics do sound interesting, indeed, tempting, but I'd only be willing to give that a try when the economy is back on its feet.

    A disproportionate budget did not, in of itself, lead to the recession. We could have had a surplus and that really would not have changed what happened.
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    You cannot spend yourself to prosperity. This notion that Obama believes we need to spend more to get us out of debt is ludicrous. Try it with your credit card company and see what they say.

    This idiot is going to tax the people who create jobs in this country. He is going to kill the golden goose because he thinks he can turn ordinary eggs into gold. He wants to give illegals access to even more entitlements and services than they already get, which is insane. What we need to do is deport them immediately. Talk about freeing jobs up for American's. Hoover, FDR, Truman and Eisenhower all did it, and we can do it now too. You would have states who are in the red that would overnight balance their budgets. All of the health services, overcrowding in schools, welfare payments, all would drop like flies. We spend more money on illegal's that we have on the Iraq war. Yet I hear no complaining about deporting the illegal's.

    What would I have done? I would have let the banks fail. I would have let the Wall Street firms fail. I would have let the automaker's fail. I would let the people lose their houses. It would be painful for a short time, but we would have recovered faster and have been more prosperous. Sound cruel? Maybe, but people bought houses they knew they could not afford. You had the government demanding banks and mortgage companies make loans they knew the borrowers could not afford. If they didn't the fines by the federal government would have been worse than loaning the money. The automakers who fail would be replaced with new companies that would succeed.

    I would make the states solve their own budget problems, and not give them bailout money which will just put them deeper into the red than they are right now. It is not up to the federal government to solve everyone's problems.

    The free market works every time it is tried. Yes it would have been bloody, but not as bloody as it is going to get with all this social spending disguised as a stimulus program. What is going to happen to all these additional services when the bailout money stops? Do you really believe that these programs are going to go away? How do you pay for them after the bailout money is gone? By raising taxes of course. Have you ever seen a government program that was stopped? Have you ever seen a state or the federal government ever layoff its people, cut back on spending, etc.? Heck no, they just raise the taxes. This notion that Obama is giving 95% of American's a tax cut is laughable. They made fun of Bush's $600 rebate, but praise Obama's $400 one.

    Banks who made risky loans, paid their exec's excessive salaries and bonuses deserve to fail. Just as the firms on Wall Street do too. People who bought houses they couldn't afford deserve to lose their house. They should never had bought it in the first place. Why should those who bought houses they could afford, be responsible for those who didn't? Those who were behind Freddie and Fannie should go to prison, and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, among others, who propped them up and kept claiming there was nothing wrong with them should too.

    It is time to slash and burn. Just like in a forest fire, after the flames are gone, the forest rebuilds and becomes healthier than before. The same holds true here.

    But no the messiah thinks the road to recovery is to spend our way out. Kind of at odds with his Fed Chairman who said we would be out of this recession by the end of 09. A year earlier than 1/2 of his recovery plan even goes into existence. Sure glad he thinks we can wait until the end of 2010 before we need to recover.

    Noticed how he went from saying the stimulus bill would create 4 million new jobs, to now it will just "save" and add 3.5 million jobs. How do you count "saved" jobs? You can't, but he will claim he did. Of course he will downplay the claim he was going to add 4 million jobs.

    You talk about giving this guy a break as he has only been on the job 1 month, and of course this is all GW's fault that he inherited. Well, the nitwit knew what he was getting into, and he claimed he was the messiah that was going to turn this all around and do it immediately. Now it is going to take years. He is an empty suit, most of you bought the lies, and 98% of the people who voted for him don't even know what he stood for, and for that matter still don't. Except he wants to make America a socialist nation. Most don't even know what that means. Talk about dumbing down America, the libs have succeeded mightily.
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