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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    THAT... should be made into a t-shirt!

    I'll see what I can do about it.

    Absolutely beautiful. UserName scores a blinding triple point score from 75 feet from behind the net. The crowd goes wild, people are shooting their rifles in the air out of sheer excitement. Ladies and gentlement... a game like no otha!
    Well sure it might be good if it were actually true in any way. You both obviously don't know what a neocon is.

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    It works both ways. If everyone thinks like you then no one will ever agree, or even try to agree.
    Just because you're incapable of having a conversational debate with the opposite side doesn't mean anyone else is, it's a fact it can be done and to state so is rubbish, it happens on this forum every day.
    A conversational debate where one person changes his mind or even adjusts their opinion? I don't believe you. Source please.

    ... And you can't use one of my examples to prove your case.
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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    "It's more funner" lol lol lol :D I love that!!

    Hi Batarng,

    While it is nice to amuse oneself, by taunting people who are actually sad, and pathetic, it isn't Christian. (Ha!! Did your head just explode? :p )

    OK, seriously (sort of), when I say seek out debate, I meant offline. In the presence of real, live human beings (this also applies to having a hardcopy of porn, the cyber stuff, is just too remote).

    The thread on page 4, can be kept alive by those, who want to find a strategy for social change. The WTO protests were largely organized on the Internet, so this computer contraption, can be of some use. By no means, is it the end all, and be all of organizing, but those of us with leisure time, a little money, and a lot of brains can still use this, soon to be "pay-per-search" tool.

    I am aware of the grains of truth in your list of Stereotypes. ;) But for debate, forming and conveying logical arguments, and planning strategy, it is not valid. Human beings, with our variety of cultures, languages, rituals, beliefs and sciences, mandates, we pay attention to what we have in common. Finding commonality is one way ensure our survival. And so is embracing and celebrating our differences. Two seeming opposite and opposing fact are true simultaneously.

    I agree with you, about being on a path, that does not allow you to suffer fools gladly. I am where you are now. However, I still think there is room for dialogue with the enemy. Thinking the enemy is "beyond all hope" will lead us down the path, that every tyrant, who has ever straddled the world like a colossus, wants us to travel That path will in the end, and without fail, lead to our loss of freedom, and ultimately, our demise.

    Admittedly, I have not seen Star Wars since, The Empire Strikes Back, but I am guessing Siths and Jedi are polar opposites. While that might be true in the mind of George Lucas, human beings are not polar opposites. Or aliens to one another.

    If you have the time, read the link below. It puts into words, many of the things I have been trying to say. Believe me Bat, I have moments when, I wish I could grab all the reins of power, and whip this world into shape. But those impulses, in the beginning, and in the end, will not help me, my family, my friends or my fellow humans. Cooperation, is the only way for us to survive. For any group animal working together, will ensure the health and happiness of the whole group. Division is a death sentence.

    I am a man: nothing human is alien to me.

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Hi Double D [I love saying that]

    Thanks for the thoughtful post. In real life... I do not engage republicans. It is the same as here, more so. There are only 5 groups of republicans that I will "commune" with.
    1. Republicans I have sex with
    2. Republicans who are my boss or who I work with
    3. Republicans who are my customers
    4. Republicans I have to do business with
    5. Republicans who are in the family or immediate neighbors adjacent to me

    Outside of that.... there is nothing to say except ridicule and torment. How they whine so. Here they have the presidency and hold all the cards and they whine like such toddlers and continue to point the vexing finger of blame to us. Let them. They are fertilizer to me.

    "Finding commonality is one way ensure our survival" Put lovely DD, there is no commonality. We are at odds on virtually everything. It is occuring on a genetic level. There is no filtering out the feelings. If I say any of the following:
    • abortion
    • global warming
    • natural resources
    • taxing the public for social programs
    • gay marriage
    • illegal immigrants
    • death penalty (granted, this one has room for some of both sides)
    • Clinton
    • Bush
    • Iraq
    • Valerie Plame
    • Cindy Shehan
    • Helping the macheted victims in Africa
    • Alaskan oil
    • universal healthcare for Americans
    • Government regulation of superfunds
    • the size of the military
    • 9/11
    • capitalism
    • the environment
    • spotted owls
    • salmon

    We will find that without a doubt over 90% of republicans and democrats will respond with knee jerk reactions of diametrically opposed opinions immediately with or without hesitation. Even if a person has never heard of the subject, i.e. when Grim came up with his stupid question during the great challenge last month about... giving Iraq & Afghanistan a chance to not wage war, I had to think about it. One, because it was from left field, Two because it was stupid. After thinking about it, not knowing what the democratic or republican stance was, I concluded, all on my lonesome, that not only was he full of SH!T but that the answer to his question was "NO". Luckily the efervesent Lady Mod appeared in a bikini and agreed with me, along with a couple of other Leftist Guerillas.

    Double D, we are unable to come to commonalities. It just doesn't happen... unless we are attacked then we come together... marginally until a politician sees an opportunity to further his own agenda then things get muffed up.

    I read your link you posted. The problem with the writer is that they express their anger at terrorists and stop not for a moment to look at our responsibility in perpetuating outside violence and aggression against us which has perculated, trickled down from our foreign policies.

    I am just funneling the same anger towards our administration for furthering immoral foreign affairs that put us at risk.

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    A conversational debate where one person changes his mind or even adjusts their opinion? I don't believe you. Source please.

    ... And you can't use one of my examples to prove your case.

    Hi BatarngF,

    I am actually going to provide a source for the changing of an opinion. Mine. Not from a conversational debate, but from researching, the repeated accusations, opinions, and asserations offered by the "Conservatives" on this board.


    I want to start to find some kind of consensus. So, I will start.

    What I have learned from the conservatives of this board:

    1. Planned Parenthood's representatives tell young girls not to give details about the age of their sex partners. Which can be seen as protecting child molesters. Very disturbing.

    2. The ACLU's website does not encourage free speech. Hypocritical to say the least.

    3. Just in today; A solider working in Iraq has seen with his own eyes weapons of mass destruction, or the ability to make them. Very interesting.

    4. Joseph Wilson is kind of glib, and has been known to play fast and loose with the facts.

    5. Political correctness, can be very damaging, and does distort honest dialogue.

    6. The "left," "liberals," "democrats," can be shrill, misleading, stupid, and annoying.

    7. The main stream media, is worthless and a waste of time. ( Actually, I already knew that, but reading message boards, really brings it home to me).


    These are some of the things I have learned. Now I challenge the more conservative members of this board to tell us what they have learned from their opposite number. DeeDee1965



    Whole thread


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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    I'm happy to admit he's lied about things other than Iraq, there are plenty of things he's lied about.
    Also I've stated before I'm not a neocon and I've given good reasons why I'm not, I don't mind it when batman or dchristie calls me neocon but I would appreciate you not doing so.


    Bush doesn't write his own speeches or do his own research, just like every president before him, so while you may call him stupid - which I wouldn't agree with, he's no genius but not stupid, as his IQ proves - I think labels of incompetence should be made about other people on his staff if they have to be made at all.
    Ummm... are you familiar with all of the famous Bushisms then :confused: he has said some pretty, uhhh.... interesting things and has twisted the English language to never thought before heights. I.Q for Bush should be be abbreiviated as "Indeed questionable".

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    You could not possibly make an enemy out of me dear Double D.


    The problem is the anguish that results when one continues to pound their head against a brick wall... hoping beyond hope that something will change. That ANYTHING just might give an inch... one inch to allow a glimmer of light and truth to break through. But it never happens. Have you ever tried to change a loved one's alcoholism, anorexia, drug addiction, wife beating, gambling habit? Can't be done unless they want to. To suggest avoiding arguing with republicans was one of the very first things I brought to this forum because I have seen the results over and over.

    Don't get me wrong... it's the same trying to argue with an anarchist or rabid enviornmentalist or even a Christian... or anyone for that matter. People just don't want to learn and are afraid to empty their cup. So... better to ridicule and taunt. It's more funner! {Prwone you suck!}


    It is not possible. Don't you see Double D?.... You can't cure an alcoholic unless they waaaaant to be cured and the only way for that to happen is when they hit rock bottom. It is simply not possible. There is no honest debating for an honest debate implies that both sides are actually open to a change of opinion. This simply does not exist. It is not possible.
    • I started that thread... I was nieve and hopeful because I was new to this whole.... typing on the computer thing on a forum site dealie... much different than cyber porn. Reasoning with someone who will not change is futile. They are skewed, false characterization of groups who "seem" different. Referring to a stereotype, is a sure fire way, to lose ground, when talking to intelligent people, striving to have meaningful debate.

      There is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. i.e. [hopefully I won't get banned... but here goes]
    • liberals care only for the environment, helping those who are lazy, taxing everyone to high heaven and creating a socialist healthcare system...
    • republicans are lying, money grubbing capitalist who put their wealth before humanity, kill anything that has a face, exploits people of color for a profit, and wants a "white" country with fewer Spics!
    • Americans are uneducated, single language speaking, ignorant empiralistic, egomaniacal, war mongering, fat people who have no respect for other cultures, mock anything that is sacred to others and exploit the resources of other countries to the ultimate ruin of the local socio-economic envioronment and will deforest a South American country for the sake of making more hamburgers! They care nothing for the mess they create and the world will ultimatly drown in the refuse and garbage that Americans dump onto our sacred planet.
    • Blacks are victims who blame everyone around them... especially whitey, and they refuse to work in order to get out of whatever lower class they find themselves in.
    • Chinese/Japanese are extremely industrius little bastards who are hard working and dedicated towards higher learning and ultimately controlling Whitey through economic superiority. They also have smaller penus'.
    • Picketers in the streets are anarchistic a$$holes who have no guidance and riot over anything just so they can participate in some sort of destructive cause to no end. They are dirty, uneducated and know little of what is really going on in the world outside of their hemp lined tee-pee and organic garden.
    • Those damn arabs are nothing but a bunch of suicidal, savage, rag heads who want nothing more than to meet the honorable Muhammad by blowing themselves to smitherenes along with as many others as possible regardless of guilt or innocents of any bystanders. They have no respect for life their own people or their country.

    What makes a stereotype insulting/funny/stinging is that there is an inherent truth amongst the words. Why use them when battling republicans? Because they refuse to reason with us and there is no fvcking way we are ever going to see their side. The best we can do is torment them at all turns and expose their ignorance.

    I am angry. Angry enough to kill.... my food for breakfast. But alas... I have a path that has no room for reasoning nor ultra-violent expression. My time has passed and there is no room for honest dialogue with my enemy. I honestly, ferverently, ecumenically, prosthetically believe this to be 169% true.

    This is an open forum. Your nose belongs here as much as anyone elses and is far from close to ever being banned. I will admit, that my screaming and name calling has reached somewhat of a crushendo around the time SubJunk was practicing his banning spells and craft... but you might have noticed that I have recently turned the kettle down slightly to tepid boil instead of screaming/scorching hot.

    Yes, I too see the limitations of venting wanton anger apungst my poor enemy... but you must see dear Double D... there is no hope between the Sith and Jedi. We are polar opposites of diametrical extremes and we belong in a cage.
    ha..ha...ha that was classic !! :D Good post Batman. Funny thing the other day at work one of the warehouse guys called my new trainee Robin (Batman's side kick of course) so naturally he called me Batman. Somehow I mumbled something else and he thought I said "Batskin". So now he calls us Batskin and Throbbin'. Good thing I'm married with 5 kids. No one will imply that I'm gay anyway. :p

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawb
    ha..ha...ha that was classic !! :D Good post Batman. Funny thing the other day at work one of the warehouse guys called my new trainee Robin (Batman's side kick of course) so naturally he called me Batman. Somehow I mumbled something else and he thought I said "Batskin". So now he calls us Batskin and Throbbin'. Good thing I'm married with 5 kids. No one will imply that I'm gay anyway. :p
    ..chuckle.. laugh laugh chuckle... Batskin & Throbbin! Oh god, side splitter.
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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Some of our "friends" are using these tactics again! I needed to bring the list back as reference point. Sorry.. ;)

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Explain to me what a Neocon is?

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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyHunny
    Explain to me what a Neocon is?
    Hello Hill Billy Hunny. Welcome to hell. I will be your temporary guide for the time being, as both Sanity and Reason have both decided to check out momentarily. It is unknown when they will decide to return.

    In the future you will probably grow to see me as an enemy as well as an enemy of the state, the enemy of the state of being, the state of control and the state of God. But while we are on this ship together, I will pick up the question and do my best to define the term "Neocon" to you.

    ... ahem...

    Neocon.
    Neoconservatism (or neocon) refers to the political movement, ideology, and public policy goals of "new conservatives" in the United States, that are relatively unopposed to "big government" principles and restrictions on social spending, when compared with other American conservatives such as traditional or paleoconservatives.

    Boy, that's a mouthful, but what do you expect when you go to Wikipedia? I don't necessarily agree with this term because there are just too many sylables here.

    In the context of United States foreign policy, neoconservative has another, narrower definition.
    • Critics define it as interventionist with hawkish views on foreign policy.
    • Supporters define it as advocating the use of military force, unilaterally if necessary, to replace autocratic regimes with democratic ones.
    • This view competes with liberal internationalism, realism, and non-interventionism.

    Doesn’t seem to get any clearer does it?

    The prefix "neo" can denote that many of the movement's founders, originally liberals, Democrats or from socialist backgrounds, were new to conservatism, but can also refer to the comparatively recent emergence of this "new wave" of conservative thought, which coalesced in the early 1970s from a variety of intellectual roots in the decades following World War II. It also serves to distinguish the ideology from the viewpoints of "old" or traditional American conservatism.

    Modern neoconservatism is associated with periodicals such as Commentary and The Weekly Standard and some of the foreign policy initiatives of think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Neoconservative journalists, pundits, policy analysts, and politicians, often dubbed "neocons" by supporters and critics alike, have been credited with (or blamed for) their influence on U.S. foreign policy, especially under the administrations of Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) and George W. Bush (2001-present), and are particularly noted for their association with and support for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    The term "neocon", while increasingly popular in recent years, is somewhat controversial and is rejected by many to whom the label is applied, who claim it lacks a coherent definition.
    Blah, blah, blah, blah! God, I thought that would never end.

    HB Hunny.. in short, true conservatives believe that neocons are “a conservative offshoot established by former liberals”. That came straight out of my book Imposter, which accuses Bush of being.. an imposter conservative. The book is written by a right wing think tank guru. I don't agree with that definition either, though I will agree that the neocons of today are extremely liberal with their lies, policies, government control and regulation of the penis and vagina as well as liberal with war... but they are no liberal by any common definition of the term. They are simply liars and both true conservative and liberal will agree with that.

    Liberals consider neocons to basically be a new type of conservative which is just a) more of the same along with b) a hell of a lot more dangerous because they are some of the greatest liars that ever crawled out of the 9th plane of hell through a dung beetles ass! I do believe you are a conservative BunnyHunny, but I do not think you are a neocon. Let’s look at some definitions to see if they will help.

    Conservative
    • Someone who espouses smaller government,
    • strong military,
    • decreased national debt,
    • decreased federal deficit,
    • decreased waste,
    • more corporate freedoms,
    • more fiscal and personal responsibility as well as less enabling of others such as the poor and disenfranchised.
    • They like their guns, red meat, F150s
    • have a strong connection to Christians and the Bible since Pat Roberts ran for president several years back
    • and… consider themselves patriotic.

    Overall, not too dangerous unless they go off the deep end, [see neocon below].

    Neocon

    • Someone who espouses smaller government, and then goes on to make several portions of government bigger as well as invent new sections of government that will conflict with already existing agencies requiring more government spending to monitor, control and regulate everything.
    • Talks about a strong military for defense of the nation then goes on a psychotic rampage claiming it is self defense while all the while they use the policy of lying to the public to justify their actions.
    • Someone who gives lip service to decreasing the national debt as well as the federal deficit all the while they are running both up the flag pole like there is no tomorrow.
    • Sombody who wastes like nobodies business. They waste bodies, especially American boys by sending them to the meat grinder in another country defending our own country. Just like Vietnam but with a lot more sand and no trees.... but all the indigenous people still hate you. They waste energy, waste time through lies in fact they waste our oxygen and pollute it with their neocon hot air gasses.
    • They never talk about corporate freedoms, but they sure as hell know how to make it profitable for a lot of them, see Enron, Halliburton, KBR. In fact, they have taken to creating a whole new meaning to the term "Bid Contract", see, they just added the word "NO" to the front of it so it looks like this, ahem... "NO BID CONTRACT". It looks better if you add some zeroes to it like this, "$1,700,000,000 NO BID CONTRACT". But wait, it's best used in a sentence... like this, ahem... "Halliburton, the company formerly headed by Vice President Cheney, has won contracts worth more than $1.7 billion under Operation Iraqi Freedom and stands to make hundreds of millions more dollars under a no-bid contract awarded by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, according to newly available documents. " see the little link here for more of the story http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/082903B.shtml
    • They hate the poor and disenfanchised and want them shipped to another country.. .preferably Iraq so there will be no bodies on FAUX news. I mean, who can blame them... those homeless people are wayyy too dirty. ... and they stink too. yuk!
    • Like conservatives, they too like their guns but they have not only shotguns they have a great lichen to M-16s, not those 3 round burst 16s, I'm talking about the pre-GULF WAR I M-16s, the Vietnam era 16s that are full auto baby! "When you absolutely have to kill every mutha, fuccka in the room!" Yeah baby. They like their red meat, preferably during a BBQ on their two week vacation during a time of war and they don't mess around with F-150s baby... no they go for th 250s and 350s baby! All the way, and if they have enough dough... they go for the big HummVees! Yeah baby. I'm not talking about those weak Hummer 2s, or the new icky H-3s. No baby, this is military grade equipment alllll the way... with A/C and a stero system that's reminiscent of Noriega's eviction notice!
    • They love Christians! More Christians means more votes baby!
    • And they are sooo patriotic that they don't even need to serve in the military. Sheeeeit, with their M-16s, Colt 45s and HummVees, they don't need no stinking Military MREs baby! They is the guvment baby and they can kill without a license!

    Hill Billy Bunny Hunny... Neocons have hijacked the conservative party, they have gotten into bed with God Fearing FAAg haten Christians and are drilling holes in everything but Fetus'. They got us into this war through lies and have taken the term "greed" and "family values" to a whole new level with the value add of more lies.

    Being a true conservative isn't bad Hill Billy Bunny Hunny... but just be careful.. for if you drink the Kool-Aide, you will then become a neocon. I might be mistaken, but the litmus test to tell if you are on the path of becoming a neocon is .... "if you believe that we should be in Iraq fighting terrorists who bombed the US during 9/11 and you are unable to have your opinion swayed anyother way than what Mr. Bush tells you."

    The only good neocon .... well... I'm sure DChristie can fill in the rest for me.

    Well.. that concludes our tour for today. I hope it has been educational. Just remember, there is no bias in politics... just shere hatred and a severe lack of capability of listening, caring or justice. Watch your step on the way out the door and off the ride. You won't be seeing too much of me dear Hill Billy Hunny Bunny as my tummy has lost it's tolerance to the lies that frequent the mess hall here.

    Have a nice day. :)
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    Re: How a red blooded Americans Neocon can argue with brain dead liberals

    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyHunny
    Explain to me what a Neocon is?
    Hi Hill.. (is it okay if I call you Hill?)
    I'm CV, by the way.. :)

    Allow me to introduce you to Batman (or Batty - which ever you prefer) !
    He IS NOT a neocon!!:

    Hello Hill Billy Hunny. Welcome to hell. I will be your temporary guide for the time being, as both Sanity and Reason have both decided to check out momentarily. It is unknown when they will decide to return.
    *** Good job Batman ***

    The only thing I would add here is the basic fact that:

    Conservative = Republicans

    Liberal = Democrats

    Other than that, I think Batman covered it very nicely!!

    Speaking of "nicely"... dchristy's definition will NOT fall in this category - so hold onto your hat when d gets here, Hill... ! ;)

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    This needs a bump, navysubguy should learn the rules. LOL

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