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    Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    Jaffa Partners.. SCAM?? Another Ponzi scheme? Funded by member's trust dollars that were supposed to be used for legal representation for a different company? Or were they used to pay an Arizona lawyer to get harassment charges dropped? Charges that were filed by his alleged "partners"?

    Save your money folks. This one stinks....
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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    Disappearing posts. Interesting. I see the experiment is a success.

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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    Disappearing posts. Interesting. I see the experiment is a success.
    That was my fault. I started it.....
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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    I found this posted elsewhere:

    From: concerned members
    Subject: Bob Gunther Escorted out by Police
    To: asdconcernedmembers@gmail.com
    Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:02 PM

    Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
    Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)


    After being escorted off the premises by police a restraining order went into effect on January 5, 2009 for threats Guenther made to people at the Cheyenne Company.

    The time has come to let the people know the truth about Bob Guenther and Attorney, Larry Friedman. Someone made a big mistake when they allowed them to communicate with the members of ASD. After proclaiming that he was supporting Mmougals, an online gaming company, he overstayed his welcome and was terminated after verbal attacks and threats. The local police escorted him off the premises and Cheyenne got a restraining order (we'll supply you with the document in the next email but you can find it if you look hard enough on the Internet, its public record) against Guenther on January 5th. Why??? Here's what happened.

    In October 2008 Guenther met with Cheyenne Mountain CEO and agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock. Where was he getting this money? We'll let's see... From October 2008 to January 2009 Guenther sent many payments in small sums such as $2500, $5000 and so on, from a bank account of Jaffa Partners LP (keep reading), until it reached the sum of $60,000 by January 2009. (All other investors sent their funds in one lump sum of $100,000 or much more) According to unnamed sources, the CEO got very nervous about the way the money was arriving in such small increments, and not in one lump sum. After hearing rumors about an FBI investigation on both Guenther and Attorney Friedman regarding a certain Trust Fund, the CEO decided to wire the money back to the Jaffa Partners bank account in Texas where it originally came from which is listed below. This bank account is NOT the ASDMBA Trust fund but rather a separate account in the name of Jaffa Partners LP, a company set up by Attorney, Robert Feiger of the law Firm "Friedman & Feiger" on November 24, 2008. Attorney Robert Feiger is the "Registered Agent" on the original document. Here's the link to verify this information...

    http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpi...

    We are investigating the others who are involved because money was also wired on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP to the Cheyenne Company from other banks around the country such as the National City Bank in Muskego Wisconsin. The name of the person on this bank account is David Lambert, a friend of Kath Danch, a Guenther supporter and spokesperson on his weekly conference calls. Apparently they share the same views and ethics as Guenther. Lambert wired $5,000 to the Cheyenne Company on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP. This money was also returned to his bank account (we also have this account number) in Wisconsin for the same reason. We're not sure what his involvement is or whether he and Danch are partners in Jaffa but we're looking into it. More on that later!!!

    The name and address of the bank used by Jaffa Partners LP to wire the funds to the Cheyenne Company is...
    United Community Bank
    Highland Village Branch
    2100 F. M. 407
    Highland Village, TX 75077

    We have the bank account number but we will withhold it at this time. We also have the account for the ASDMBA Trust which is the Sterling Bank, Dallas Branch. We will also withhold the bank account number until further notice. And by the way, The ASDMBA Trust is not registered with the City, County or State of Texas. It doesn't have to be registered but why wouldn't it be registered if they had nothing to hide. Our investigator has verified this information and you can also verify it by calling the county clerk in Dallas. David Bruce Jenkins, Guenther's best friend, as Guenther has claimed, is listed on the bank account that bears the name ASDMBA Trust.

    When a person constantly criticizes others as Guenther does, they are actually looking in the mirror. Guenther has repeatedly accused many others of being scam artists and the reality is that we should have been looking at him and his friends all along.

    Here are some legitimate questions people are asking...

    * Where did the $60,000 come from to invest in Cheyenne stock and where is it now? Did they move it yet?
    * Is it the money from the ASDMBA Trust?
    * How much money was raised for the Trust?
    * Who are the Trustees? (rumor is that Friedman and Guenther along with Guenther's Family and best Friend are Trustees. What a
    surprise) Dan and Pam Richardson were original trustees and we don't know their status at this moment but we will soon.
    * Why is there NO accounting of this money?
    * Is Guenther or anyone receiving a Salary or any compensation from the Trust? (Did he and his family drain the funds?)
    * Has he or anyone ever received a salary or compensation from the Trust?
    * If they are receiving a salary, who authorized that?
    * If there is no money left in the Trust, as stated by Guenther, how do we get standing in the Court in Washington since ASD has lost or given up their efforts in the case?
    * Are Friedman and Guenther trying to get control of the $93 million dollars forfeited by ASD? (We believe this was their intention all along. Guenther told a few people recently that this was his intent along with starting and/or investing in another company with the funds)

    Since we have the bank account number of the ASDMBA Trust and we know that David Jenkins is the only person authorized to sign checks, as verified by the bank, we should be able to find out the truth very soon. Guenther has stated several times that David Jenkins bought stock in Mmoguls (on tape) so it seems a little suspicious that they agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock in October. (Less than 3 months after beginning to raise funds for the retainer for ASDMBA) Where did the money come from, when previously Gunther seems to have lost everything from his "auto" businesses due to mismanagement and finally a bankruptcy. This happens to be the exact amount ($100,000) Friedman insisted upon as his retainer. Of course they will make up some lie or excuse when confronted. Remember, Guenther was convicted of lying in his Bankruptcy trial and consequently lost the case to the Caddle Company. He still owes them a large sum of money and they are willing to assist in any way they can.

    What is Attorney Friedman's Involvement with Bob Guenther and Dan and Pam Richardson?

    In August 2008, Larry Friedman was introduced by Guenther and the Richardson's to members of ASD via a conference call where Friedman spoke, we are told, to approximately 2,000 people. He said he would do several things if we were to hire him as the attorney for the ASD members. These four things are recorded on tape and can be verified.

    Attorney Friedman agreed to...

    1 support Andy Bowdoin in his battle with the AG (Friedman claimed that the Gov't did a sloppy job in their investigation)
    2 help prove the business model of ASD. (he stated that the model worked and was a great way to advertise business)
    3 get us standing in the court in Washington. (he claimed he had the ability to work in the courts in Washington)
    4 help get our money back in the event that ASD lost the case. (he told us that the money belonged to us, the members)

    Our belief in Friedman's professed expertise and his claim that he would help us because he had defeated this very AG's office in the past, along with the endorsement of both Guenther and the Richardson's, was the determining factor that led us to the decision to hire him as our attorney to support our efforts. After thousands of dollars were collected, Friedman stopped getting on our conference calls and Guenther began to bash ASD and Andy. Without anyone's approval, they decided to take a different course of action. They began talking about supporting the Gov't in its efforts to go after ASD Members. They turned against the business model and worst of all they didn't notify anyone of this change which is legally, morally and ethical wrong. We should have been given the chance to have our money returned if they were no longer supporting our cause. A lawyer can NOT decide to help the prosecution after agreeing to take any case. It appears that there were many violations on his part (we will send a document in the next email) Many ethical codes have been abused and the victims are you and the rest of the ASD members. We have NO accounting of the money. No one has actually seen the Trust that we can verify. We can NOT get a standing in the court because Guenther says the money is gone. Where did it go?

    Furthermore, both Friedman and Guenther began communicating with William Cowden, from the AG's office in Washington and supplying Cowden with names of people to go after in ASD. They tried to convince Cowden that Friedman was the most logical choice to be appointed the Receiver of the $93 million dollars. Guenther has bragged that he is on a first name basis with "Bill" Cowden and that he and Friedman were now supporting the AG's in their effort. All of this is masked by the fact that Guenther claims that they are helping us get our money back from the Gov't. They are going after similar companies as well as ASD members who made money. He is using a very effective tactic called "misdirection". It is what magicians use to trick you. They get you to focus your attention on one thing which actually masks or prevents you from seeing the truth. It's very clever and calculated but Guenther has miscalculated the power of the people who he is trying to deceive. Coming from a long history of magic we have been watching this very closely over the past several months and have been waiting for him to trip up. After all, he's not a magician. He's just a "Want to Be Big Shot" who has lost all of his businesses over the years and is now living off of his wife's income to support himself until he was able to figure a way to get money from the ASD people.

    He was terminated from Mmougals for threats made to people at that company and he never even paid the $250 entry fee to Mmougals to begin with. This guy tries to scam everyone he comes in contact with. He has now put his family at risk because an investigation, now in progress, will reveal his true intent. By the way, you should ask him to supply you with the documents or proof that he was a helicopter pilot in the military. He lied about that to everyone. We searched those records as well. People with low self esteem, will always brag about how accomplished they are, when in reality it is usually a figment of their imagination. This is the case with Guenther, a small man in stature, 5 feet 3 inches; at least it looks that way, with a very big mouth.

    There's much, much more to talk about. A very large group of people have already filed complaints with the Texas Bar about Attorney Friedman. Why Friedman??? He was the attorney we entrusted our funds to from the very beginning. He's the attorney that agreed to help us and has done nothing. Guenther is NOT an attorney. We would not have sent a dime without the sales pitch to hire Friedman and get a retainer of $100,000 just to start the case. (We have contacted several Law Firms and discovered that a case like this would have required only $25, 000 as a retainer)

    We have been lied to about the true intentions of both Guenther and Friedman and we are doing something about it. Apparently there is no money in the Trust to file our claim in Washington. Remember, after getting our money this attorney decided not to show up anymore and for those that requested refunds, very few people actually got their money returned. We need an accounting of this money and we need it now. Of course, Guenther will tell you different but the Texas Bar will disagree. The Bar will look into Friedman's involvement and ask him why so many people are filing complaints. Many have already done so. and we expect it to be 500 by February. Guenther will come out with all kinds of threats after he reads this, trying to stop you from filing the complaint with the Texas Bar, telling you that he and Friedman will sue you.
    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. He is as fictitious as the Wizard of OZ, who pretended to be a powerful man by scarring everyone with verbal abuse and scare tactics just to keep them from discovering the truth and the truth is... he is nothing but a blow hard that has no authority at all but uses misdirection to keep you from the truth. Don't be afraid, he can no more help you or hurt you than the Wizard himself. We have finally drawn back the curtain and now see the real man behind it and as you might have guessed, he's nothing but a weak fraud.

    The first step is to get involved and help each other by filing a complaint with the "Texas Bar" as many are doing. Here's how to do it....

    1 Go to www.texasbar.com
    2 click on the "Contact Us" tab at the very top of the page, its small so look hard.
    3 fill in your information
    4 select SBOT department "Attorney Referral" You must select one in order to send.
    5 In the subject line type... Urgent...Attorney Misrepresentation??? Use the question marks
    6 in the Question/Comment area, type in a short description such as "We hired Attorney Friedman to help us in our efforts in a law suit
    and he turned against us and began helping the prosecution". You may use the things that Friedman promised us, listed above but do
    NOT tell your full length story here. It's not the place to make the official complaint.
    7 In that same box make sure you end your statement/statements with this question...How do I file a complaint against Attorney
    Larry Friedman? Where can I find the form? This is important because using the "Contact Us" tab is NOT the official complaint.
    8 MAKE A COPY OF YOUR COMMENT SECTION AND NOTE THE DATE AND TIME SENT.
    9 Here's the phone number for the Texas Bar in Austin... (800) 204-2222 it wouldn't hurt to flood the office with complaints

    Remember, this is NOT the complaint form. You will fill that out later. This is a comment and question area only but we need to let them know and make sure we get the official complaint form. This is just the first step and we intend to keep the pressure on for as long as it takes.

    This is just the beginning for these two characters and their team of bandits. I tell you this because it's time to stop them from fooling people with their lies and taking more of your hard earned dollars and give an accounting of the funds in the Trust. Guenther and Friedman had no intention of helping you get your money back. They were after the Receivership of the $93 million dollars that was frozen in August. They still plan to get their hands on that money and I promise they will exhaust the funds as they claimed other Receivers would do by lining their pockets with millions, and if there is anything left we may see some money a few years down the road but don't count on it. He told us in the very beginning that all the money is used up when they appoint a Receiver. What we didn't figure is that they, Guenther and Friedman, wanted to be the Receiver and get their hands on the $93 Million Dollars.

    These two people should be trying right now to get our money back but instead they claim there are NO funds left and the only course to take now is have Friedman appointed as the Receiver and we are NOT going to let this happen. And if we discover and prove that these funds were used for anything other than the ASDMBA Trust then we will pursue action that will help put all of them in jail including the family members, David Jenkins, and original trustees Dan and Pam Richardson. We mentioned the Richardson's briefly above but these two people were very active in getting Larry Friedman hired by the members and in fact our investigation shows that Larry Friedman represented them in a case years ago. As soon as that information is examined thoroughly we will reveal the details of that as well.

    It's been said by many people that Friedman, Guenther and the Richardson's raised close to $200,000 for the Trust and all of it is now gone. How much more are they going to take from these ASD members? This is one family that will not allow this, even if we have to hire a Lawyer ourselves against these unethical people. We have already spoken to a few lawyers in Dallas who by the way, have very little respect for Friedman and his firm.

    Our investigation continues and we will let everyone know what we find. We are very aware that Guenther, Friedman, his partner Robert Feiger and Dan and Pam Richardson will not be happy but we have been unhappy for six months now, and it's time to let the world know what these people are up to and it's time to do something about it before it's too late. Fill out the form on www.texasbar.com and follow the instructions above and then get the proper documents filled out for the official complaint and MAIL (standard mail, US Postal Service) to the address at the end of the form. But make sure you complete the first step stated above. It's important to let the Bar know ASAP that Friedman has acted unethical and is hiding behind Guenther. The more contact we have with the BAR the faster they will act. so, make sure you do both things...
    1- Fill out the form on the "Contact Us" section of www.texasbar.com
    2- get the Official form and physically mail it via the US Postal Service

    Watch for the next correspondence to get a copy of the violations that Attorney Friedman has committed along with the Restraining Order/Harassment documents on Guenther. We will keep you posted on the progress of this matter but first things first...

    File your complaint NOW before it's too late!!!

    The Lone Ranger
    Protector of the Innocent
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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    ok I am clueless!!!! what the heck is JAFFA Partners. LOL

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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    Well, Jaffa Partners, LP is the new company that Bob Guenther started, rumored to have been funded from the ASDMBA (ASD Members Business Association).

    ASDMBA got around 125K in donations to help get member money back, they never filed ONE legal motion. Some think the money went into funding this new venture. The long post above sort of gives a view of things from someone elses perspective.
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    Re: Is Jaffa Partners the newest SCAM???

    I found this posted on another forum, by Jack Arons... it relates to Bob, Lawyer Larry, and JAFFA..

    UPDATE!

    Yesterday I spent the good part of the day on a conference call with one of our Government Agencies who has taken an interest in Bob and Larry and their associations over the past several years. Just like Andy Bob has let his ego to blind him to what is taking place. The various emails that he sent out to both Kath and I along with forwarding them to people who knew nothing about the current situation has caused him more harm than good.

    Now, they are not only looking at the TRUST but his other enterprises as well. Again I can not/will not take credit for this investigation. JAFFA (Just Another F**ken Fraud Again) has raised the eyebrows of another Government Agency for securities violations. Bob has claimed that he is licensed to sell securities. There is NO RECORDS to support that claim. Much of what Bob claims has been proven to be false by these agencies and by others.

    As to Mr. Friedman and the Law Firms associations with Bob and other members of the Trust there is now an active investigation that is in progress. Seems that Mr. Friedman has had other complaints filed against him with both the Florida and Texas Bar concerning his outlandish charges for services never rendered.
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