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  1. #65
    Keith Olbermann Guest

    Re: Liberty League International adv ... LOL!!!

    Don't worry ....

    Mikey Hamburger of "Marine Fame" and his brothier in law Brett Payne will take care of one and all when this shithorse finally dies

    Love it... LLI is about to get their asses fined again and I pray its for a couple of million

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    Re: Liberty League International adv ... LOL!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Olbermann View Post
    Don't worry ....

    Mikey Hamburger of "Marine Fame" and his brothier in law Brett Payne will take care of one and all when this shithorse finally dies

    Love it... LLI is about to get their asses fined again and I pray its for a couple of million
    I just wonder how long it will take for all the sharks in LLI to realize that there's noone left to dupe, and the class action lawsuits start from all the ignorant people that got bamboozled & 'sold' on the sizzle of a big upfront commission!

    LLI might very well work for some, but for most, it's no cakewalk, and a very hard sell. JMO

    You watch. Right about the time LLI runs out of steam, there'll be a, 'new and improved' BFC, to save the day.

    KLH
    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
    ~~~~~
    Christianity demands the crucifixion of the intellect.
    ~ Susan Kierkegaard

  3. #67
    Hannity is ANTI AMERICAN Guest

    Liberty League International and Wikipedia

    MICHAEL HAMBURGER AND WIKIPEDIA:

    IN CASE ONE NEEDS TO GET THIS ISSUE CLEARED UP --

    Michael directly @ (480) 515-9890


    Recently, Michael Hamburger, an advisor in LLI since March 2003, caused the moderators at Wikipedia to delete the LLI article because he got into an editing war with someone to the point that the moderators got sick of it and just deleted the LLI article altogether. Michael kept editing out true facts about LLI that people doing research on the company should be aware about, the founders past, and about the Arizona Attorney General's $115,000 fine that he did not want people to see or know about. Why? Because this LLI wiki article appears in the top 6 spots in, Yahoo, the number 3 spot in Google, and in the top 10 spots in Ask's search engine when you type in "Liberty League International". It drives people who were about to join LLI away and impacts their business. Anyone doing due diligence on LLI will find it with ease. It's appears so high up it's impossible to miss. He wanted an all positive article instead of the fair and balanced article it was that had both the positive and the negative about the company, and with valid proof for both.

    A fair and balanced article with both the good and bad of the company, so that at the end of the day, people can make up their own minds with all the facts. But Michael apparently only wanted the positive to be seen, even thought real government web links were provided to validate and prove the negative with legal documents and such. Take the $115,000 Arizona Attorney General fine. Instead he would edit out all the negative and it's proof, and instead add his own marketing website to gain free high ranking advertisement for his own gain. Tony Rush and several other LLI peeps did the same thing. Delete all the negative along with it's proof that you don't want new prospects to see when doing research on LLI, and replace it with links to their own personal LLI lead generation websites and blogs instead.

    I'm sick and tired of seeing people like Tony Rush and Michael Hamburger edit, delete, and hide pertinent and factual information that is backed up with proof about LLI they don't want seen. The truth is people need to know both the good and the bad about a company they consider joining. I'm not involved with any company, so I don't care either way. I just want people to get all the information without the smoke and mirrors, as some LLI members have already been lying to new people they bring into the business by saying that LLI has not had any problems with the Attorney General or anyone else, when people have asked about it.

    TOP INCOME EARNERS, RECORD HOLDERS, AND ASSOCIATES QUITTING LLI BY THE BUNCHES:

    LLI has recently seen a large departure of many of it's top income earners. Several of these individuals now run new top ranking Google advertisements promoting another company with a different compensation plan and products. I'm not going to name the company because I'm not about putting out biased BS. Do a search and you'll find it. Anyway, right now they are currently running Google ads with headers that read; "LLI income record holder shares inside knowledge and why he left", "See Where Me and My Team Went and Why You Should Avoid Their 2 up", "find out why most top earners have recently left and where they went", "Discover the Company that Liberty League doesn't want you to know about" and more. All former LLI top dogs.

    PROOF:
    Don't believe me? Think this is just some nonsense I'm making up? Go to Google and type "Liberty League International" and see for yourself. Almost all those people with Google Ad headers at the top and right are mostly former LLI top earners who recently quit and have brought along their teams with them out of LLI. Contact some of those individuals if you so desire, or just read their websites, specially Jay's. He makes some really good revelations. People like Michael do not want you or any new customers thinking of joining to know or see this. He kept editing it out in Wikipedia so you could not find it. He personally knew almost all those people too, right Michael?

    MORE PROOF:
    Also, Google Alan's "no limits team" and enter their team's new training website. It does not require a password to enter. Listen in on some of their training and team calls for that new company. Virtually all ex LLI'ers. On one of these calls, the team has a brief discussion about how they and Alan all began to struggle in LLI just before they recently switched companies. Then other team members begin to talk about how glad and happy they are with this new company etc. I personally heard the fact that everyone in LLI began to struggle come directly from Alan's mouth. listen to some of those calls. And remember, Alan held LLI's long standing single month income record. Then he quits and takes his team with him elsewhere. Need I say more?

    Other top income earners like Jay Kubassek left LLI because of the increasingly bad publicity the company has seen which quickly begins to diminish it's reputation. Just read what he says in his website about a compensation plan like LLI's where you need to pass up training sales, their type of training, etc and you'll see what I mean. Remember, Jay made more sales than most everyone in LLI, and was the winner of two consecutive prize raffles including a new Jeep Liberty. So why does his Google ad header read ?find out why most top income earners have recently left and where they went?? when you Google Liberty League International?


    FORMER TOP LLI INCOME EARNERS WHO HAVE RECENTLY QUIT:

    These folks have also brought their teams along with them out of LLI. So the actual figure of departures is much higher that you know.

    Jay Kubassek
    Mike Dillard
    Lehman Hailey
    Aaron Parkinson
    Ashton Howell
    Alan Nettles
    Kristy Davis
    Harold Roscoe
    Greg Six
    Mike Leroux

    THE CO-FOUNDERS:

    In the 90's Brent Payne was a rap metal drummer for a group called "Stuck Mojo" out of Atlanta. This band put out sinister songs and lyrics about death and violence.

    Some of Brent's former band song titles are:

    "2 Minutes Of Death",
    "Who's The Devil",
    "Assassination Of A Pop Star",
    "Pipebomb"
    "Enemy Territory"
    "Hate Must Be A Gift"
    "Drawing Blood"
    "Hatebreed"
    "Give War a Chance"
    "Shout at the Devil"
    "Raise the Deadman"
    and more.

    Brent eventually exited the rap metal band, took up personal development, became involved with multi-level marketing, and Global Prosperity in the late 90's. It would eventually lead to the launch of LLI in 2001. Brent Payne became a self made millionaire by the age of 31.

    PROOF:
    See the wikipedia article on "Suck Mojo" below. Read the section entitled "former band members" and you will find Brent Payne as drummer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuck_Mojo

    Also, look up the band's Cd's at an online music shop like cdunverse and view the album's credits. You will see Brent Payne credited as drummer in a couple of their albums in 1995 and 2001.

    While we are on the topic of music, John Lavenia was in a death metal band called "Torture Krypt" in the 90' with more sinister songs and lyrics.

    PROOF:
    Image Google the words "Torture Krypt". You will see a photo in the results title ?Torture Krypt members?
    THE CO-FOUNDERS AND GLOBAL PROSPERITY:

    Global Prosperity Group aka Investors International (IGP)

    Michael probably does not want you to know or see this because he himself was in the infamously fraudulent Global Prosperity under Brent Payne who recruited him. A company with such a bad reputation, that other network marketers will often add a disclaimer to the bottom of their own spams and advertisements which says "Not Global Prosperity". Now that's pretty bad.

    When Global collapsed, it eventually saw many of it's principals including co-founder Daniel Andersen, convicted of tax evasion. Several ended up facing up to 20 years in prison sentences and fines in the seven figures. Like true criminals, several temporarily fled the US to avoid sentencing before being held accountable in a court of law. Global Prosperity sold financial wealth building seminars in exotic hotel resorts that taught illegal offshore banking techniques to avoid having to pay tax. In other words, they taught people how to move assets overseas with offshore banking and sometimes into bogus trusts in order to hide them from the IRS and not have to pay tax. The idea was the more you don't have to pay in tax, the more you keep for yourself so the more you made. Global Prosperity also pushed and sold questionable financial investments and trusts to it's customers and all on a true Pyramid Scheme model. This got Global into serious problems with the U.S. Government and the IRS which lead to it's certain demise. Co-founder Mr. Daniel Andersen pleaded guilty to hiding over $50 million dollars from the IRS in bogus trusts and offshore accounts.

    PROOF:

    Proof of tax fraud by Global Prosperity:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04486.htm
    http://justice.gov/tax/txdv05184.htm
    http://www.justice.gov/tax/txdv06017.htm
    http://0225.0145.01.040/tax/txdv05674.htm
    http://www.quatloos.com/groups/gpg.htm

    And guess who was Michael Hamburger's personal "advisor" or "sponsor" in Global Prosperity? Brent Payne himself recruited Michael. And Michael knows this. The are both from Atlanta. I still am not 100% sure if Michael is married to one of Brent's sisters.

    Michael was a miserable failure. After Global collapsed, Brent went on and founded LLI in 2001 along with Shane. Michael remained with a bitter taste in his mouth from that experience and went back to the corporate rat race. Finally in March 2003 he listened to Brent again and joined LLI despite the previous disaster. He's been there ever since and Brent is Michael's LLI advisor.

    Goes on to discuss Tim Darne

  4. #68
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    Re: Liberty League International and Wikipedia

    The last sentence (it looks like you got cutt off is)
    The article goes on to talk about Tim Darnell...
    Is this correct?
    Yes, I know I can't spell. I just type to fast, don't care and don't have enough time to spell check.
    So please judge my post on content, not spelling.

  5. #69
    Mr Cheney Guest

    Re: Liberty League International and Wikipedia

    Darnell was one of the Founders of LLI ...

    Hamburger was a complete bombout at Global Prosperity with Joe Neid, Brett Payne, Jason Cox, etc

    Hamburger claims 7 figures per year income ...

    Yeah ... and those tits of Pamela Anderson's are real

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    Re: Liberty League International and Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Hannity is ANTI AMERICAN View Post
    Some of Brent's former band song titles are:

    "2 Minutes Of Death",
    "Who's The Devil",
    "Assassination Of A Pop Star",
    "Pipebomb"
    "Enemy Territory"
    "Hate Must Be A Gift"
    "Drawing Blood"
    "Hatebreed"
    "Give War a Chance"
    "Shout at the Devil"
    "Raise the Deadman"
    and more.


    ...I guess I'm not following the logic...

    Is the article saying that this person playing songs with these titles and likely similar lyrics....somehow adds validity to an argument of LLI being a scam?
    How does that work?

    Since I listen to Marylin Manson, Danzig, Rob Zombie, Six Feet Under, Incantation, Deicide (before the Hoffman brothers left), Samael, etc....That I'm someone that couldn't possibly own or work a business?
    I don't own one...but does this somehow translate to the idea that I wouldn't be successful if I did?
    Or that anyone coming into business with me should take my musical tastes into account?
    Or raises a question of how anyone could possibly want to do business with a guy who listens to death metal?

    I guess I just don't follow the arguement.

    How exactly does this lend credence to the argument against LLI?




    Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for LLI....just don't know how someone's musical tastes have anything to do with anything....or whether they've been in a band or not.

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    Re: Liberty League International and Wikipedia

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleman View Post
    Is the article saying that this person playing songs with these titles and likely similar lyrics....somehow adds validity to an argument of LLI being a scam?
    How does that work?
    Exactly what I was also wondering.

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