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    Re: Is This Considered Fascism?

    I am for morals and decency in society, i.e. no porn, no glamorization of sex and violence. I am for the "protestors" that took part in "Battlecry," of which I originally posted about, in this thread, on "03-20-2006, 05:32 PM"

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    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    Theophobia, Part 1
    By Michael P. Tremoglie (01/06/2005)

    Just as the civil rights of racial and religious minorities, women, and the poor were the defining legal issues for American government in the 20th century, among the defining issues for the 21st century will be the rights of the unborn child, the rights of gun ownership, the rights of fathers – and the ability to freely express religious beliefs.
    Aside from the religious argument this country was founded on the concept of protecting minority rights. In case you have forgotten the evangelical movement that is the driving force behind these arguments is also a minority. They are only about 20%-30% of the population. In contrast the remainder, the majority [85% of the people in this country are Christians ] don’t necessarily support these views. Most of the opposition is also Christian, Just an example I’m Catholic, many Catholics agree with my opinions not yours.

    This author inserts several straw dog arguments in the piece as well.

    “There is a continuing campaign by theophobes - who either blatantly hate religion or who are opposed to public displays of religion - to bowdlerize religion from American society.”

    So that would include a huge number of Christians? The theophobes? So those Christians like me hate religion? And bowdlerize religion from American society?
    It is just a blatant lie!! I’m surprised you can’t see it for yourself.
    Christians right to worship and pray is well protected in this country. Just not in public schools or in court houses etc…I have not heard of one instance where the theophobes actually tried to stop any Christian from worshipping or praying. Even in public schools they can do this. They just can’t enforce it as a mandatory event in which everyone has to participate.
    The rest of the post is trying to create legal arguments that have repeated failed when challenged by the courts, one is part of the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible.
    GEORGE WASHINGTON
    That is a bogus quotation.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/badquotes.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    No, the president isn't required to say "So help me God," BUT (and I looked it up at several sources),

    'Upon entering office, the President must repeat the following oath; "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability; preserve, protect, and defend, the Constitution of the United States". The oath is traditionaly ended with "So help me God". '
    There is no credible historical evidence that Washington, Adams, Jefferson or Madison added "So help me God" to their oath of office. Presented below is the offical accout of George Washington's first swearing in on April 30, 1789. There is no mention of "so help me God."

    A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation; U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774-1875; Journal of the Senate of the United States of America, 1789-1793 THURSDAY, APRIL 30, 1789.

    The Senate assembled: present as yesterday.

    The report of the Committee on the mode of communications between the Senate and House of Representatives, was taken up, and, after debate, postponed.

    Mr. Lee, in behalf of the committee appointed to take order far conducting the ceremonial of the formal reception, &c. of the President of the United States, having informed the Senate that the same was adjusted; the House of Representatives were notified that the Senate were ready to receive them in the Senate Chamber, to attend the President of the United States while taking the oath required by the Constitution. Whereupon, the House of Representatives, preceded by their Speaker, came into the Senate Chamber, and look the seats assigned them; and the joint committee, preceded by their chairman, agreeably to order, introduced the President of the United States to the Senate Chamber, where he was received by the Vice President, who conducted him to the Chair; when the Vice President informed him, that "the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States were ready to attend him to take the oath required by the Constitution, and that it would be administered by the Chancellor of the state of New York." To which the President replied, he was ready to proceed: and being attended to the gallery in front of the Senate Chamber, by the Vice President and Senators, the Speaker and Representatives, and the other public characters present, the oath was administered. After which the Chancellor proclaimed, "Long live George Washington President of the United States."

    The President having returned to his seat, after a short pause arose, and addressed the Senate and House of Representatives...
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    Hi Boone,

    No, the president isn't required to say "So help me God," BUT (and I looked it up at several sources),

    'Upon entering office, the President must repeat the following oath; "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability; preserve, protect, and defend, the Constitution of the United States". The oath is traditionaly ended with "So help me God". '

    They DO place their hand on the Bible, too...to solemnly swear to be credible and tell the truth- I feel that there is NO chance they will uphold their word without that...(and also, I am firmly convinced that people testifying in court need to solemnly swear in, placing their hand on the Bible, and without that, the testimony would be junk, lacking all credibility.) Anybody that lies, whether being sworn in or not, it is a sin. Please do not try to tell me different.
    I am not trying to "tell" you different, I am just trying to make something clear.

    We are a nation of laws. Promising to tell the truth is an agreeing to abide by a legal contract. The President is affirming the promisee to uphold the law of the land. IF he (or she :)) does not uphold the laws, there will be legal consequences.

    A person is not required to put their hand on the bible. They are required to, "Tell the truth, and nothing but the truth..." Instead of saying, "So help me God," they can "affirm" to tell the truth. Those are the te.rms of the contract, between the court and the individual giving the testimony. Lying after affirming to tell the truth, will not just be punished by fire and brimstone, but also by jail time. Lying under oath is the crime of "perjury." It is not religious, it is legal.

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    Well, how come I can reference sources that say different? It seems like some sources leave some things out, as I was able to refute that point from several links...just a few:

    Article II, sec. 1, par. 8, of the Constitution sets out the words that every President has repeated: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Only Franklin Pierce in 1853 affirmed (rather than swore) to faithfully execute the office of the presidency. The practice of adding the words: "So help me God" at the conclusion of the oath was introduced by George Washington at the end of his 1789 open-air ceremony.

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    In taking the oath of office...Every President except John Quincy Adams has put his hand on the Bible, open to a page of his choice. Adams used a volume of constitutional law given him by Chief Justice John Marshall.

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    George Washington added the phrase "so help me God" to the end of his oath, and almost every president has added it since. He also followed his swearing-in with the first inaugural address -- another tradition most presidents have also adopted.

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    "I Do Solemnly Swear . . . "


    It is with these words that each American President since George Washington has taken the Oath of Office. With his hand on the Bible and eyes fixed squarely on the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, every four years the President swears to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America." With those words, the President assumes an enormous responsibility. That responsibility is to "simply" guide our nation, indeed the hopes and dreams of our citizenry, for four years . . . through peace and prosperity as well as turmoil and war.

    Since we are a nation that celebrates its history and relies upon tradition to carry on our democratic ideals, we wondered about the very first presidential Bible used at the very first Inauguration . . . the Bible that was used by our first President George Washington. We know that great documents outlining the form of our government are safely entombed at the National Archives and the Library of Congress and that Washington's own papers can be found at his home at Mount Vernon, but what about the Bible that was used at the first Inauguration? Was it an old Washington family heirloom? Was its use required when the General assumed the presidency? Has it been used by every President since Washington? Most importantly, does Washington's Bible exist today?

    Is a Bible required? The Constitution of the United States makes no mention of the use of a Bible in the taking of the oath, nor is it even required that the ceremony be public. Yet from Washington's first Inauguration in 1789 to the present, almost every President in a very public manner has placed his hand upon a Bible and, while raising his other hand towards the heavens, repeats the Oath of Office. And . . . before the eyes of a world that watches the ceremony unfold . . . the President-elect becomes the leader of the free world. Thus, though the use of a Bible is certainly not constitutionally required, it has become the focal point of every presidential Inauguration and the image of the taking of the presidential oath is certainly incomplete without it.

    Does the first presidential Bible used by George Washington exist and has it been used by each President? The simple answer to that question is that the Bible certainly does exist and though the Bible has been used by several Presidents it has not been used by each succeeding President. In fact, unfortunately several of the presidential Bibles, particularly from the 19th century, have never been unearthed and there is even some suggestion that the Bibles themselves were not used by every President who took the Oath of Office. However, how exceptionally appropriate it is that the Bible Washington used -- our nation's first inaugural Bible -- is not lost and, like so many other threads that make up the historical fabric of our country, how this magnificent book came to be used well over 200 years ago is an unusual story in itself.


    The First Inauguration

    In April of 1789, New York City was a small and plain community that can more accurately be described as a large rural village. In fact, it wouldn't be for an additional 50 years that its population would exceed that of its southern neighbor, the city that was considered the most vital in our country during the late 1700's, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. However, during April of that eventful year, New York City claimed the historical distinction of hosting our nation's very first presidential Inauguration. The preparation for the ceremony itself had been painstaking and deliberate in almost all regards. In fact, George Washington had traveled from his home in Mount Vernon, Virginia several days prior to the April 30th Inaugural Day on a route that had been preplanned, mapped out and studied for its effect.

    For several days up until that moment of the taking of the oath, all of the detailed planning for the pomp and circumstance that would envelop the majesty of the event went without a hitch. On April 14th of 1789, a special Congressional courier dutifully rode his horse to Mount Vernon to deliver the news to Washington that the Inauguration would take place on April 30th at New York City. Within a few days, Washington began his journey north by horse but even before he crossed the Potomac River, a stone's throw from his mansion, multitudes of well wishers greeted him peacefully and reverently. Historians tell us that the reception in his own backyard was the start of an ovation that continued for the 300-mile journey. Moreover, it became more and more of a celebration as the 57-year-old war hero trudged northward.

    It was a joyous trip attendant with cannon salutes, fireworks, lavish banquets, marching men, waving women, and children who broke out in song and dance. After all, who can blame these patriots from the Revolutionary War for their joy because with Washington the acclaim was as much for the man as for his office. He had been America's first war hero; he had been the idol of the soldiers under his charge and of a populace recently freed and independent; his skill at compromise at the first Constitutional Convention was greatly responsible for our nation's early success; and he had borrowed $30,000 against his own property to pay for the salaries of his nation's Army when the first Congressional Congress couldn't raise the money itself! In short, George Washington was already a triumphant figure as he slowly made his way towards the inaugural event.

    Meanwhile, as the President-elect enjoyed what can only be called an elaborate one man parade, the statesmen in New York City deliberated on the most minute details of the inaugural event itself. In fact, it is said that the increasing fervor of the throngs of people from town to town unnerved Washington to such a degree that he sent word ahead to his Vice President John Adams that he hoped and prayed that the Inauguration itself would go forward without a hitch. As the big day approached, decisions were confirmed on who was to sit where, on how Washington himself was to be addressed, on what color the drapes and curtains would be, on where the furniture at the great Senate Chamber of Federal Hall on Wall Street would be arranged, on every single detail involving the day's decoration except for one . . . no one, from Washington and Adams on, gave nary a thought about the Bible that would form the springboard for our very first Inauguration!

    Perhaps Washington, traveling from Virginia, assumed that Adams or his Congressional brethren would have provided the Bible. Or perhaps those from New York City assumed that Washington would provide one of his many personal Bibles for the great event. Who knows? Have you ever made a business trip and forgotten your alarm clock? Maybe it was as simple as that! For whatever the reason, the fact remains the same, for once the big day dawned and the eyes of the newly formed nation rested solely upon the historical event at Federal Hall, the almost President and assorted dignitaries were about to make an unwelcome discovery.

    (cont.)

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    April 30, 1789

    Inauguration Day was clear and cool when it finally arrived. Foreign ambassadors and statesmen alike jammed their way into Federal Hall. Townspeople mingled with their neighbors from other states to crowd the roads leading to Federal Hall and Wall Street itself. Historians tell us that at precisely 11:00 a.m., the Senate door swung open and the House Speaker, escorted by three Senators and Representatives from the House, went downstairs to a waiting carriage. Suddenly, it is said that Washington himself appeared at the door, exchanged nervous greetings with fellow statesmen, paused only a moment to acknowledge the cheers from his countrymen, and entered the Hall for the swearing in.

    Once inside Federal Hall, we are told that the President-elect, standing regally and tall, accepted the applause of the joint Congress. He glanced around for his Vice President, John Adams, sat down on a beautiful crimson chair and said simply, "I am ready to proceed." Tension wasn't in the air . . . it was the air!

    However, there was an awkward pause and then there was confusion! Though reports are sketchy at best regarding how long of a period of time confusion reigned, we know that the cause of the confusion was the missing Bible. What a scene it must have been as members of the first Congress, with ashen faces, searched through the building in consternation and without success. Perhaps many of those present felt that without a Bible the oath could not be administered nor Washington even proclaimed our first President! Soon, however, New York State Chancellor, Robert R. Livingston, a fellow Mason, remembered that his local meeting house, St. John's Lodge, housed a beautiful altar Bible and, importantly, that Bible was a short few hundred feet down the block. After a quick trip down the street, the historic Bible was provided and, in fact, carefully placed upon a red velvet cushion. Everyone relaxed, calm prevailed, and the stage was set.

    Immediately, Chancellor Livingston administered the Oath of Office to Washington. When the oath was completed, Washington added the phrase, "I swear, so help me God!" and, bending down, kissed the open Book. While Chancellor Livingston loudly and joyously proclaimed Washington our nation's first President, one Joseph Morton, Master of St. John's Lodge, stepped forward and carefully folded down a corner of the open page, thus preserving a record of the random Bible opening where Washington had rested his left hand. Interestingly, fate sometimes does funny things, for the random selection fell open to Chapter 49 of the Book of Genesis, the book that Biblical scholars remind us that literally means "the book of new beginnings."

    The scene that ensued was bedlam as the crowd broke into a storm of cheers. Livingston reportedly said, "It is done." and then turned to the crowd and shouted, "Long live George Washington, President of the United States!" Grown men cried and shouted and joyous celebration was the order of the day. Thursday, April 30, 1789, had been a great day, indeed, and a great era was born. However, one must wonder whether or not the day would have ended on such a high note had it not been discovered, at the very last minute, that the ornate Bible -- now known as President George Washington's inaugural Bible -- rested in a small room at St. John's Lodge, No. 1, a few short yards from Federal Hall.

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    Detroit Ready for Faith-Filled Youth's Second BattleCry

    Friday, Apr. 7, 2006
    Posted: 9:45:04AM EST

    The second BattleCry, what some have called an "act of provocation" and others a "Lollapalooza for the Lord," is set to hit Detroit starting today with a louder presence of 35,000 teens.

    Coming just two weeks after the stadium-event’s launch in San Francisco drew both criticism and support from media and city officials, the “reverse rebellion” is making its second round in front of the Detroit City Hall before heading to the stadium site. This weekend, Apr. 7-8, tens of thousands of teens from Michigan and across other states will join the battle cry that 25,000 youths have already hollered on the West coast - the first BattleCry event initiated by the national youth organization TeenMania.

    In a fight to save this generation from the alcohol abuse, sex and drugs that prevail today, teens plan to hold up the red flag in a counterculture movement of its own kind.

    San Francisco's elected officials, however, have condemned the youth movement as "fascist" and "hateful," saying it was "totally at odds with the tone of the ballpark event," noted an editorial in the San Francisco Chronicle on Mar. 27.

    "The young people who came to San Francisco to affirm their faith ... deserved to be welcomed by a city that was as tolerant and progressive as its sanctimonious supervisors like to profess," it stated.

    Midway into the coast-to-coast movement, the Detroit event will stir tens of thousands of youths at Ford Field with music from top Christian artists Cross Movement, Delirious?, Jeremy Camp, TobyMac and others.

    With the third event coming in May, over 100,000 teens and leaders are making their first shouts this year across the states in a culture war that is rallying the Christian teen voice and is just beginning.

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    Second BattleCry Hits Detroit with No Protest

    Monday, Apr. 10, 2006 Posted: 2:20:43PM EST

    The battle was less fierce for the tens of thousands of students that continued Teen Mania's Battle Cry movement in Detroit.

    Critical protests that went against teens at the youth organization's first “reverse rebellion” in San Francisco were absent at this past weekend's second student outcry.

    Jumping off from its launch event in March, BattleCry drew 35,000 teens to Ford Field for two days of a “Lollapalooza for the Lord," as TIME dubbed it. In an urgent outreach to today's generation, what many youth leaders call the "lost generation," Teen Mania hosted its own counterculture movement for teens rebelling against the dominant MTV culture.

    Before swarming into the stadium venue, youths made their counter voices clear to the public in front of the Detroit city hall. The reversal against secularism rally followed what hundreds of young fellow believers did just two weeks ago to save this generation from the sex, drugs and alcohol that the majority of today's teens engage in.

    MTV, which airs an average of nine sexual scenes per hour and more than eight un-bleeped profanities per hour, is watched by 73 percent of boys and 78 percent of girls aged 12-19 years old, according to Parents Television Council.

    "The point of BattleCry is a group of young people who are coming together to take a stand for their generation," said Erika Herald, Miss America 2004 and BattleCry emcee, according to the DeMoss Group.

    The first BattleCry rally, however, was met with more than 50 protestors criticizing the youth movement and calling the youths fascists. This time, in Detroit, no opposition faced the young crowd.

    Detroit's BattleCry, featuring top Christian artists Delirious?, tobyMac and the Groovaloos among others, was broadcast live on the NRB Network Friday and Saturday.

    "In keeping with the goal of the NRB Network to expand the kingdom of God through electronic media while providing relevant programming, airing the BattleCry rally live seemed the obvious choice to reach the teen population," said Troy Miller, senior vice president and Chief Operating Officer, in a released statement.

    BattleCry is set to hit the opposite coast in May where 15,000 teens in Philadelphia are expected to carry out the third counterculture event.

    Lillian Kwon

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    Harvard study tells parties to court 'religious centrists'

    By Jennifer Harper
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    April 13, 2006


    College students are becoming more religious, and it's affecting their political views, according to a new Harvard University survey of this potentially influential voting bloc. "Religious centrists" rule, according to the university.

    A full 70 percent say religion plays an important part in their lives, with a quarter saying their spirituality has increased at college. Six out of 10 say they are concerned about the moral direction of the country, according to the poll of 1,200 students from across the country, conducted March 13 to 27 and released Tuesday.

    "Religion and morality are critical to how students think about politics and form opinions on political issues," said Jeanne Shaheen, a former New Hampshire governor and director of Harvard's Institute of Politics, which conducted the poll.

    The Harvard study advises political parties to woo the spiritually inclined, a demographic that the popular press mostly deemed the exclusive territory of the "religious right" in the past two presidential elections.

    "This analysis foreshadows the 2008 general election campaign for president where religious centrists, nearly a quarter of the student vote, will be the critical swing vote ... and likely the most influential group in American politics for years," according to the survey.

    Attracting the elusive youth vote with hip text messages and celebrities is already a serious business among multiple partisan interest groups: 12 million voters ages 18 to 24 went to the polls in the 2004 presidential election, up 25 percent since 2000. But the groups are after larger prey. The young population is a behemoth demographic: There are 71 million Americans who are younger than 30, and they are a target.

    "Generation Y is large, increasingly active and up-for-grabs politically," F. Christopher Arterton of George Washington University's Graduate School of Political Management said last month after releasing the school's new analysis of innovative voter initiatives aimed at the young and restless.

    The Harvard researchers had their own unorthodox methods. Using a "political personality test," the pollsters divided the youth vote into subsets that bend ideological barriers and create a number of political hybrids, they say.

    Overall, the youthful voting bloc is 32 percent Democrat, 24 percent Republican and 41 percent independent or unaffiliated. In addition, 44 percent are "traditional" liberals and 16 percent "traditional" conservatives, with two more identifications thrown into the mix: religious centrists and secular centrists.

    Just who are these religious centrists? According to Harvard, they are optimistic about the future, politically engaged and deeply concerned about the moral direction of the United States. They also are protective of the environment; support universal health care and free trade, and draw the support of young Hispanics and blacks.

    Secular centrists, in the meantime, are optimistic but do not factor religion into their thinking. They support abortion and homosexual rights and are least likely to vote.

    A breakdown of collegiate party preferences reveals further complexities. Republicans are composed of 34 percent traditional conservatives, 30 percent religious centrists, 20 percent secular centrists and 16 percent who consider themselves traditional liberals.

    Among Democrats, 59 percent are traditional liberals, 24 percent are religious centrists, 9 percent secular centrists and 7 percent are traditional conservatives.

    The new labels may portend some more flexible thinking on the part of anxious political consultants.

    "Party identification is misleading, antiquated and only tells a small part about the beliefs of an individual," according to the survey, which advised Democrats not to cede issues of morality to the Republican Party and admonished Republicans to focus on issues beyond the "?'Big Three' -- abortion, stem-cell research and gay marriage."

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    Day of Truth Counters Message of Intolerance
    by Wendy Cloyd, assistant editor

    Students to proclaim the truth that homosexuality is not an immutable trait.


    On April 27, high school students at more than 700 schools will counter the message of the previous day's pro-gay Day of Silence with their own call for tolerance: tolerance for the Christian perspective that homosexuality is against God's design, and that those who wish to may choose to seek God's best plan for them.

    The Day of Truth, now in its second year, was established by the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) in response to the censorship of Christian students who wanted to present their opinions and beliefs. In the past, those in public schools who have attempted to speak against the promotion of homosexuality as just another normal lifestyle choice have often not been allowed to do so.

    Delia van Loenen, litigation counsel for ADF, said the goal is to empower students to express their views and ensure that they are not punished or censored.

    "Part of our mission is to defend students' First Amendment rights," she said. "Day of Silence supporters are promoting the homosexual agenda, and the way they are doing that is by censoring any opposing viewpoints."

    The Day of Truth provides an opportunity for students to share a different perspective. The claim by Day of Silence supporters that the Day of Truth promotes intolerance and violence is just not true, she said.

    "We are all about promoting tolerance for opposing viewpoints. That's really important because students can't be expected to make good decisions if they're only being told part of the story," van Loenen said. "We're encouraging students to have honest and respectful discussion with their peers - that is what the First Amendment is all about."

    What can you do?

    The Day of Truth Web site provides students with information and resources. Students are encouraged to wear a Day of Truth T-shirt and to pass out message cards during non-classroom time that state:

    "I am speaking the Truth to break the silence.
    Silence isn't a freedom. It's a constraint.
    Truth tolerates open discussion, because the Truth emerges when healthy discourse is allowed.
    By proclaiming the Truth in love, hurts will be halted, hearts will be healed, and lives will be saved."

    What can you expect?

    Students who choose to participate in the Day of Truth may encounter resistance from school officials who are trying to avoid controversy, van Loenen said. One of the most common arguments against presenting an opposing view to homosexuality is that doing so is an unconstitutional violation of the Establishment Clause.

    "That is absolutely not true," van Loenen said. "Yes, the Day of Truth is from the Christian perspective, but the First Amendment absolutely protects these students' rights, not only to have that perspective, but to share that perspective.

    What can you do if you're told you can't?

    If a student is told by a school staff member that they cannot participate in the Day of Truth, van Loenen says to respectfully ask the official to check with a supervisor in order to clarify students' rights. If they are still told participation is not allowed, the next step is to contact ADF.

    "We have over 800 allied attorneys all across the United States that are ready to help students if they are censored when trying to wear their T-shirts or pass out their message cards or anything to do with the Day of Truth," she said. "So they should give us a call and we'll get help to them immediately.

    "It's only through this open and honest discussion that truth is allowed to rise to the surface."

    FOR MORE INFORMATION:
    To learn how to register and participate, visit the Day of Truth Web site.

    Prepare your student to address the issue of homosexuality with the following resources:

    In "Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth," psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover examines recent research reported in medical journals and the popular press. He finds many of these studies flawed and cites evidence that homosexuality is indeed changeable. He explains how psychology, biology, choice and habit all interweave to produce deeply imbedded patterns of sexual behavior.

    In "101 Frequently Asked Questions About Homosexuality," by Mike Haley learn about the rhetoric surrounding the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. Parents have children suddenly "coming out." Organizations are accused of "intolerance." And it seems that everyone agrees "It's okay to be gay." Learn how to address the issues surrounding same-sex attraction and its implications for society in this thought-provoking book by a man who's been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    I am for morals and decency in society, i.e. no porn, no glamorization of sex and violence. I am for the "protestors" that took part in "Battlecry," of which I originally posted about, in this thread, on "03-20-2006, 05:32 PM"
    so who cares EXACTLY!?god!?YOU WISH!?hehe!!have you seen the NEW joyce meyers!?what a street hooker! she is coming of age and i LOVE HER!?like you babe!?hehe!?did you catch the flick.constantine!?a love story of sorts!?look closely at the devil!?he's such as con man!?i'm watchin a rerun of lost in space!?the movie)it's all scripture i declare!?hehe!!but as to glamorization of violence!?what do you CALL THE bombing of BAGHDAD!?in the middle of the night NO LESS!?and if jesus is the christ of god then where is his power!?for if he died on the cross then who is he for!? the conquerers or the vanquished!?hehe!?just askin!?by the way.......persomnally .....I DONT WANNA KNOW!?make it all go away and return to trhe good ol days!?hehe!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    April 30, 1789

    Inauguration Day was clear and cool when it finally arrived. Foreign ambassadors and statesmen alike jammed their way into Federal Hall. Townspeople mingled with their neighbors from other states to crowd the roads leading to Federal Hall and Wall Street itself. Historians tell us that at precisely 11:00 a.m., the Senate door swung open and the House Speaker, escorted by three Senators and Representatives from the House, went downstairs to a waiting carriage. Suddenly, it is said that Washington himself appeared at the door, exchanged nervous greetings with fellow statesmen, paused only a moment to acknowledge the cheers from his countrymen, and entered the Hall for the swearing in.

    Once inside Federal Hall, we are told that the President-elect, standing regally and tall, accepted the applause of the joint Congress. He glanced around for his Vice President, John Adams, sat down on a beautiful crimson chair and said simply, "I am ready to proceed." Tension wasn't in the air . . . it was the air!

    However, there was an awkward pause and then there was confusion! Though reports are sketchy at best regarding how long of a period of time confusion reigned, we know that the cause of the confusion was the missing Bible. What a scene it must have been as members of the first Congress, with ashen faces, searched through the building in consternation and without success. Perhaps many of those present felt that without a Bible the oath could not be administered nor Washington even proclaimed our first President! Soon, however, New York State Chancellor, Robert R. Livingston, a fellow Mason, remembered that his local meeting house, St. John's Lodge, housed a beautiful altar Bible and, importantly, that Bible was a short few hundred feet down the block. After a quick trip down the street, the historic Bible was provided and, in fact, carefully placed upon a red velvet cushion. Everyone relaxed, calm prevailed, and the stage was set.

    Immediately, Chancellor Livingston administered the Oath of Office to Washington. When the oath was completed, Washington added the phrase, "I swear, so help me God!" and, bending down, kissed the open Book. While Chancellor Livingston loudly and joyously proclaimed Washington our nation's first President, one Joseph Morton, Master of St. John's Lodge, stepped forward and carefully folded down a corner of the open page, thus preserving a record of the random Bible opening where Washington had rested his left hand. Interestingly, fate sometimes does funny things, for the random selection fell open to Chapter 49 of the Book of Genesis, the book that Biblical scholars remind us that literally means "the book of new beginnings."

    The scene that ensued was bedlam as the crowd broke into a storm of cheers. Livingston reportedly said, "It is done." and then turned to the crowd and shouted, "Long live George Washington, President of the United States!" Grown men cried and shouted and joyous celebration was the order of the day. Thursday, April 30, 1789, had been a great day, indeed, and a great era was born. However, one must wonder whether or not the day would have ended on such a high note had it not been discovered, at the very last minute, that the ornate Bible -- now known as President George Washington's inaugural Bible -- rested in a small room at St. John's Lodge, No. 1, a few short yards from Federal Hall.
    What is the source of this information?

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    Re: Is This Considered Fascism?

    Forgot to post the link; it is from

    http://www.fcassociates.com/id27.htm

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    Re: Is This Considered Fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by boone
    April 30, 1789

    Inauguration Day was clear and cool when it finally arrived. Foreign ambassadors and statesmen alike jammed their way into Federal Hall. Townspeople mingled with their neighbors from other states to crowd the roads leading to Federal Hall and Wall Street itself. Historians tell us that at precisely 11:00 a.m., the Senate door swung open and the House Speaker, escorted by three Senators and Representatives from the House, went downstairs to a waiting carriage. Suddenly, it is said that Washington himself appeared at the door, exchanged nervous greetings with fellow statesmen, paused only a moment to acknowledge the cheers from his countrymen, and entered the Hall for the swearing in.

    Once inside Federal Hall, we are told that the President-elect, standing regally and tall, accepted the applause of the joint Congress. He glanced around for his Vice President, John Adams, sat down on a beautiful crimson chair and said simply, "I am ready to proceed." Tension wasn't in the air . . . it was the air!

    However, there was an awkward pause and then there was confusion! Though reports are sketchy at best regarding how long of a period of time confusion reigned, we know that the cause of the confusion was the missing Bible. What a scene it must have been as members of the first Congress, with ashen faces, searched through the building in consternation and without success. Perhaps many of those present felt that without a Bible the oath could not be administered nor Washington even proclaimed our first President! Soon, however, New York State Chancellor, Robert R. Livingston, a fellow Mason, remembered that his local meeting house, St. John's Lodge, housed a beautiful altar Bible and, importantly, that Bible was a short few hundred feet down the block. After a quick trip down the street, the historic Bible was provided and, in fact, carefully placed upon a red velvet cushion. Everyone relaxed, calm prevailed, and the stage was set.

    Immediately, Chancellor Livingston administered the Oath of Office to Washington. When the oath was completed, Washington added the phrase, "I swear, so help me God!" and, bending down, kissed the open Book. While Chancellor Livingston loudly and joyously proclaimed Washington our nation's first President, one Joseph Morton, Master of St. John's Lodge, stepped forward and carefully folded down a corner of the open page, thus preserving a record of the random Bible opening where Washington had rested his left hand. Interestingly, fate sometimes does funny things, for the random selection fell open to Chapter 49 of the Book of Genesis, the book that Biblical scholars remind us that literally means "the book of new beginnings."

    The scene that ensued was bedlam as the crowd broke into a storm of cheers. Livingston reportedly said, "It is done." and then turned to the crowd and shouted, "Long live George Washington, President of the United States!" Grown men cried and shouted and joyous celebration was the order of the day. Thursday, April 30, 1789, had been a great day, indeed, and a great era was born. However, one must wonder whether or not the day would have ended on such a high note had it not been discovered, at the very last minute, that the ornate Bible -- now known as President George Washington's inaugural Bible -- rested in a small room at St. John's Lodge, No. 1, a few short yards from Federal Hall.

    ok!i guess the catch in all of this is the "key" phrase........."so help me god"!?for without god's help,we all fall on our faces!?ok!not the troublemakers!?not without help!?and i dont know who they are,but i've heard rumors!?(all fall short)and i'm prone to follow rumors!?especially when it's.....official!?hehe!!

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