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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Does anyone know how many women in South Dakota get pregnant via incest and/or rape each year? There seems to be a lot of focus on an extremely small percentage of pregnancies. :confused:
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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
    Does anyone know how many women in South Dakota get pregnant via incest and/or rape each year? There seems to be a lot of focus on an extremely small percentage of pregnancies. :confused:

    Does it really matter? Who are they to say what someone can or can't do with their body?

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Choctaw - I think the reasons women seek abortion have not been addressed.
    As you say - no one should tell you what to do with your body - and I would love to agree. Sadly, it just can't be. Once a woman is pregnant it's not her body alone that is affected by every single thing she does. Health, family history, diet, environment, mental well-being, financial situation, access to health care, drugs, smoking, veneral disease, aids, exposure to lead, yaddah, yaddah. yaddah......................it's a wonder any child is ever born! The interests of the father of any child should not be ignored either - especially since the courts now impose financial support.
    On the other hand, the male of our species will never be in such circumstances, and in my opinion are not entitled to pass judgement unless they are directly involved. I'm sure I'll be taken to task on this matter.
    All the gung-ho anti-abortion advocates would be stopped dead in their tracks if they were commited to pay the expenses. It's all well and good for them to have "high ideals" - let's see how much they like the idea when it costs them money. I'm certain they would change their stance a bit.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
    Does anyone know how many women in South Dakota get pregnant via incest and/or rape each year? There seems to be a lot of focus on an extremely small percentage of pregnancies. :confused:
    It also seems that it's none of your freakin' business. Why is it that all these self righteous, Morality police feel it I necessary to pry into everyone’s personal life? Are you so brain dead that you can’t recognize the need for their privacy, especially in a time of extreme crisis when a woman has been victimized by some raving lunatic? [No doubt a republican lunatic at that, look at the stats of rep Politicians arrested and convicted of numerous sex crimes].
    I believe that these brain dead loonies incessantly rave on any subject that involves SEX because they ‘ain’t gettin' any’. That’s why they went after Clinton for a BJ......jealousy!!!

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Phinny - I think BOBLABLAW was stating that "incest and rape" are not the major issues in this debate. He's still banging his head on his desk and I think I know why.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by linda49
    Phinny - I think BOBLABLAW was stating that "incest and rape" are not the major issues in this debate. He's still banging his head on his desk and I think I know why.
    Yeah but it always goes back to privacy. I defend citizen's rights of privacy as agressively as I defend freedom of speech.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    So - OOPS! is not in your vocabulary? (hahahah)

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by linda49
    So - OOPS! is not in your vocabulary? (hahahah)
    OOPS? Off on a rave or two maybe. Who cares. I'm on target on the others.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    It also seems that it's none of your freakin' business. Why is it that all these self righteous, Morality police feel it I necessary to pry into everyone’s personal life?
    That is because they believe in a small government... unless it serves their cause to have a bigger government that conducts spying and the lifting of rooftops to see what is happening with Mr. Smith's penis & Mrs. Lewinski's vagina along with Mr. Smith's girlfriend.

    "Small government.... except when we want to control you, then we need a bigger, more powerful government."

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    linda- You do make a good point, but if she chooses to terminate the pregnancy then none of the other stuff matters. As for the father having a say because of financial support he does not have any financial obligations until the pregnancy comes to term and the baby is born. If the father wants to have the baby then I would hope that the parents would come to some sort of arrangement about the pregnancy, but be it good or bad the choses is the woman's. I just don't think that anyone has the right to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. Until science can transplant an embryo from one womb to another every woman has the right to choose.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    politicians LOVE issues which, as in this case, makes any stance they take on it meaningless, since this issue will be decided by the courts, not by up and down votes in legislatures, no matter how many up and down votes they take. After that law passed the Gov of South Dakota said this new law would be tied up in court for years.

    Sort of like the flag burning amendment. Does anyone wake up in the morning wondering if their neighbor burned or is going to burn an American flag?

    Quote Originally Posted by BatarngForce
    Campaigners to challenge South Dakota abortions ban
    08.03.06 1.00pm
    By Andrew Buncombe



    WASHINGTON - Campaigners are preparing to challenge a landmark decision in South Dakota to ban abortions in almost all circumstances - a move that will force the Supreme Court to again address one of the most divisive issues in the United States.

    New legislation signed earlier this week by the state's governor, Mike Rounds, makes abortion illegal in every circumstance except where the life of the woman is threatened.

    There are no exceptions, even for cases of rape or incest, though in these circumstances women could receive emergency contraception.
    Doctors and medical staff who provide an abortion face up to five years in prison.

    Abortion rights campaigners say they will be challenging the legislation which appears to clearly contravene the historic 1973 Roe v Wade ruling by the Supreme Court which provided women with the right to legal abortion.

    It is likely that a judge would suspend the new legislation before it comes into affect on July 1, thereby opening the way for the matter to be decided by the Supreme Court.

    "We fully intend to challenge this law," said Kate Looby, state director of Planned Parenthood, which operates South Dakota's only abortion clinic. "It's just a question of how."

    The legal tussle, which both sides believe will take years to conclude, will take place against the back-drop of an ongoing debate within the US about access to abortion - a debate that is marked by a fierce intensity.

    It is also, in part, a debate about tactics: anti-abortion campaigners debated long and hard among themselves before launching this "direct frontal assault" and many thought it would be more effective to continue to chip away at abortion rights.

    But the discussion was won by those who believed that the recent appointment of conservative justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court have provided a rare opportunity to overturn Roe v Wade.

    Similar legislation is currently being considered by politicians in Mississippi.


    Frances Kissling, president of the abortion rights group Catholics for a Free Choice, said it was unlikely the Supreme Court would overturn Roe v Wade, partly because the issue of abortion was such an effective rallying cry for right-wing Republicans.

    "To the extent that the court is influenced by politics - which it is - [they would] want to preserve it," she said.

    But she said while upholding Roe, court could in its ruling indicate to anti-abortion activists that it would support greater restrictions on abortion.

    "The message would be in the language," she said.

    Though he put his signature to the South Dakota legislation, Mr Rounds was among those anti-abortion campaigners who believed a different approach might ultimately be more successful.

    "Personally I think this court will be more interested in looking at different aspects of Roe v Wade rather than the direct frontal assault, but we'll never know unless someone tries," he said.

    Along with gay rights and the death penalty, the issue of abortion remains one of the great dividing lines in the so-called "culture wars" played out in broader US society.

    Polls portray a somewhat complicated picture but clearly suggest the decision in South Dakota is out of touch with the view of the majority of Americans.

    The most recent survey, commissioned by the New York Times in January, found 38 per cent supported access to abortion, that 39 per cent felt abortion should be available but with stricter restrictions than present while 21 per cent supported making abortion illegal.

    Abortion rights activists say the passing of the South Dakota legislation will act as a wake-up call for those who support abortion but have become complacent.

    "We see that this is about more than just South Dakota. It's about the country," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "The bottom line in all of it is - elections matter."

    Some in South Dakota who oppose abortion objected to the new legislation because it failed to take into account the circumstances of a woman's pregnancy.

    "Not allowing an exception for rape, incest and the health of the mother is a radical position," said State Democratic Representative Pat Haley, who is opposed to abortion but voted against the bill.


    But some opponents of abortion simply celebrated.

    Leslee Unruh, founder of the Alpha Centre which provides counselling to pregnant women, said: "We finally have been heard. We are so excited. We're ordering lobster and having a party. We are thrilled."

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    It is unfortunate to see such acts of unjust legislation put forth. To not include rape, incest or the health of the mother when making such a ruling is not only unjust... it is immoral. This is not a good example of family values, nor is good for domestic policy as a whole.

    What is even more unfortunate is that the Democratic Party will need to lose Row v Wade before they ever realize what is happening. There are so many items on the table that need to be discussed as well as "fixed", abortion not being one of them. The republican party cries "Smaller Government! Smaller Government", then allows the Christian Coalition to run rampant with unjust legislation. Democrats need to wake up before something catastrophic happens.

    Smaller Government, YES! Beginning with not being present in our women's womb.

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    Re: South Dakota makes abortion illegal even with Rape & Incest!...

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    ... this pill thing seems not very reliable.

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    After 2 More Deaths, Planned Parenthood Alters Method for Abortion Pill
    By GARDINER HARRIS

    WASHINGTON, March 17 — After receiving reports that two more women died after taking abortion pills, Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest provider of abortion and contraceptive services, announced that it would immediately change the way it gives the medicines.

    The change partly resolves a long-running dispute between Planned Parenthood and the Food and Drug Administration over the safest way to provide pill-based abortions.

    The F.D.A. has now received reports that six women in the United States died after taking RU-486, or Mifeprex. A seventh died in Canada. The two most recent deaths and two of the previous four underwent their procedures at Planned Parenthood clinics, a spokeswoman said.

    Federal officials do not yet know the cause of the latest two deaths. The previous four resulted from systemic infections with a virulent bacteria, Clostridium sordellii. Planned Parenthood announced in a statement that one of the two recent deaths occurred within days of the victim's undergoing a pill-based abortion, while the other woman died within five weeks.

    Mifeprex has been used in more than 560,000 medical abortions in the United States and more than 1.5 million in Europe. The risks of death from infection after using the pill are similar to the risks after surgical abortions or childbirth, drug agency officials said.

    When Mifeprex was first approved by the agency in 2000, the standard regimen was to give the drug in a doctor's office followed two days later by an oral dose of a different drug, misoprostol, also in a doctor's office. Women expelled the fetus over the following days or weeks in a process that mimicked a miscarriage. The procedure must begin within 49 days of conception.

    Soon after Mifeprex's approval, most Planned Parenthood doctors switched to a different regimen, instructing women to insert misoprostol vaginally at home two to three days after taking Mifeprex. Studies of the new regimen showed that it was effective, and it allowed women to take lower doses of misoprostol. It also meant fewer office visits for Planned Parenthood.

    But this regimen was not approved by the drug agency. It is not unusual for doctors to use drugs differently from how they are officially approved. But as reports of deaths among women undergoing the procedure trickled into the F.D.A., government officials issued stern warnings that doctors should stick to the approved regimen.

    Until Friday, Planned Parenthood had rejected those warnings.

    Dr. Vanessa Cullins, vice president of medical affairs for Planned Parenthood, said in an interview that effective immediately the group would ask patients to take misoprostol orally instead of vaginally. Although the F.D.A. has asked that this be done in doctors' offices, a Planned Parenthood spokeswoman said patients would still be asked to take the second drug at home.

    "There is no single reason for the change" in policy by the group, Dr. Cullins said.

    "We don't really know all the circumstances surrounding these women's deaths," she said.

    Whether the method of drug administration has anything to do with the deaths is not known. The drug agency said it was "investigating all the circumstances associated with these cases." The agency has already added strong warnings to Mifeprex's label regarding the risks of infection.

    On Friday, the agency repeated warnings that women who undergo pill-based abortions should be vigilant for signs of trouble. If they suffer from nausea, vomiting or diarrhea and weakness with or without abdominal pain more than a day after taking abortion medicines they should be given antibiotics.

    Clostridium sordellii infections are rare and can be difficult to diagnose because they are not always accompanied by fever.

    Since reporting drug side effects is voluntary in the United States, it is possible that more women have died and that their deaths have gone unreported because doctors, medical examiners and coroners are not obligated to forward such reports to the F.D.A. Doctors and local officials also may not associate a death with a pill-based abortion, especially if the death occurs weeks later.

    The risk of infections could be lowered or eliminated if abortion patients were given antibiotics as a preventative. But antibiotic therapy has its own risks, and officials say that the risk of infection from Clostridium sordellii is so slight that it does not merit such a precaution.

    The government has scheduled a scientific conference on May 11 at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to discuss Clostridium sordellii and a related bacteria, Clostridium difficile, that has caused outbreaks of diarrhea and colitis in hospitals and nursing homes.

    Both bacteria generally live in the soil and human intestinal tracts. Both thrive in environments with limited oxygen. When these bacteria infect the bloodstream, they can produce a toxin that causes something akin to toxic shock syndrome.

    Senators Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, and Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, released a statement Friday calling for the withdrawal of Mifeprex. They have sponsored a bill that would force the F.D.A. to withdraw the drug.

    Monty Patterson, whose 18-year-old daughter, Holly, died on Sept. 17, 2003, from a Clostridium sordellii infection after a medical abortion, has since argued that Mifeprex predisposes women to such infections by suppressing their immune systems.

    "How many women have to die needlessly before this drug is removed from the market?" Mr. Patterson asked.

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