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    Speaker blasts design theory

    Speaker blasts design theory
    Church-state division touted


    By Mark Melady TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF
    [email protected] Feb 21, 2006

    WORCESTER— A man involved in a landmark Supreme Court church-state separation decision warned last night that the religious right will continue to push for intelligent design, school prayer and a far-reaching agenda that would have Christianity pervade every aspect of American life.

    “The evangelical churches are well-organized and well-financed,” Ellery Schempp told the Greater Worcester Humanists at the Unitarian Universalist Church. “They’re not giving up on intelligent design. They’re going to keep chipping away on a whole host of issues. The evangelical churches are busing people to see the movie ‘The March of the Penguins’ because penguins are somewhat monogamous.”

    A physicist whose research helped in the development of magnetic resonance imaging, Mr. Schempp was a suburban Philadelphia high school student in 1956 when he protested daily student Bible readings over the school public address system.

    A Unitarian then, as he is today, Mr. Schempp volunteered to read, but, instead of the Bible, chose a selection from the Quran. He was disciplined by the school. His parents, Sidney and Edward Schempp, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, fought Bible readings all the way to the Supreme Court.

    “My family saw politicians and pastors who used religion to prop up their own legitimacy,” he said.

    In a 1963 decision the court ruled mandatory Bible readings unconstitutional.

    Mr. Schempp said the case “put an enormous strain on my family.”

    He was taunted as godless by other students, and letter-writers said they were praying for the family to suffer. People who later lived in his family’s house had the number changed to avoid getting hate mail addressed to the Schempps.

    He mocked the so-called war on Christianity, saying, “It’s absurd to think that Christians are an endangered species. They have an abundance of power.”

    Mr. Schempp said the Founders “didn’t intend that the United States would be a solely Christian nation. For one thing, they were deeply suspicious of the divine right of kings, then the conventional justification for civic authority in Europe. James Madison believed religion often was accompanied by superstition, bigotry and persecution. He also said Christianity didn’t need the protection of the Constitution to flourish.”

    Instead of religious philosophy, the Founders reached back to the pagan Greek civilization for ideas about creating a state, he said.

    “Their commitment to a separation of church and state was an extraordinary concept at the time,” Mr. Schempp said. “The thinking was the clergy had their domain but, for their practical needs, the people neither wanted nor needed them.”

    The Constitution makes two references to religion. The 1st Amendment prohibits Congress from making laws “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Less well-known is the provision in Article VI that declares “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office of public trust.”

    Since the late 1940s federal courts have consistently upheld the wall separating church and state, he said, citing decisions that knocked out school prayer and required pledges of a belief in God, and a district court ruling in December labeling intelligent design as religious instruction masquerading as science.

    But he expressed doubt that the newly constituted U.S. Supreme Court will continue to stand firm on separation.

    “We can’t count on court rulings,” he said.

    Instead, the nation’s 42 million agnostics, humanists, skeptics and atheists should unite to help persuade public opinion about the need to keep church and state separate.

    “If a family wants to pray, why not at home?” Mr. Schempp said. “We do not have to pray when we get a driver’s license or when we enter a mall. And remember, gravity is only a theory.”
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    Above is a news story covering a speech from Ellery Schempp, who will be speaking to DVAU this Sunday March 5 at 1pm at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Cherry Hill, NJ. Details are on our website: http://dvau.org/AUEvents.htm

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    The line get blurrier and blurrier. Part of the problem I think is that since Jimmy Carter christians stopped using their powers of discernment when choosing a leader for our country. Nowadays it's really popular for candidates to claim to be "born again" christians and garner votes in the process. Jimmy Carter actually practiced what he was, a born again christian, they are pretty easy to spot if you take off the blinders, but I haven't seen a candidate since who claimed it and actually lived it. And Jesus said we would KNOW them by their works.

    People stop mixing religion with politics, that's a tool Satan uses to fool you. If their words and actions conflict, it's the words that are lies.

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    where did the concept of "Satan" come from? because i do not believe hes in the bible
    just wondering.

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    Don't these religionists know that if they succeed in pushing through the "Intelligent design" notion this leaves out the possibility it was their deity who was responsible for the design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Crab of PAIN!!!
    where did the concept of "Satan" come from? because i do not believe hes in the bible
    just wondering.
    GOOD QUESTION?
    Very difficult to answer though. The best evidence I could find about the 'Horned Beast' and it's connection and evolution in Christian mythology comes from the Celts.

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    Blue Crab of PAIN!!!,
    I posted this on another thread. can't figure out how to move the picture though. Tell me what you think of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    Cernunnos "The Horned One"
    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=3950

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    ID is the dumbing down of America. Period.

    It teaches people to not ask questions or critically think and that's dangerous for the future of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    Blue Crab of PAIN!!!,
    I posted this on another thread. can't figure out how to move the picture though. Tell me what you think of this.


    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=3950

    arrghh, i cant find that comment. however, the "horned one" seems like a respectable name for satan...

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    Sen. Santorum On Intelligent Design
    (KDKA/AP) WASHINGTON
    Senator Rick Santorum is back in the middle of the debate over Intelligent Design.

    The Pennsylvania lawmaker has written the forward for a new book honoring Phillip Johnson, a prominent supporter of the Intelligent Design movement.

    In it, Santorum praises Phillip Johnson's work on opposing Darwin's teachings on evolution, saying Johnson "has provided extraordinary leadership for an extraordinary cause, namely, to rid science of false philosophy."


    The following is the text of the foreword written by Sen. Santorum for the book "Darwin's Nemesis: Phillip Johnson and the Intelligent Design Movement."
    Cont at link
    http://kdka.com/local/local_story_067155056.html

    Senator Rick Santorum, what a worm this guy is. Recently he has distanced himself from the community by taking up residence in an enclave of wealthy suburbanites in VA. Now he is kissing up again to the nut job ID evangelists. What a low life!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Crab of PAIN!!!
    where did the concept of "Satan" come from? because i do not believe hes in the bible
    just wondering.
    it's not about whether he's in the bible or not........it's about whether he's in your HEAD!?hehe!!sorry if that's TOO REAL!?hehe!!ONLY YOU WOULD KNOW!!?hopefully that is.........it's that UP FOR GRABS!!REALLY!!hehe!!shucks ...i'm just kiddin ya know..........satan told me to say that...........say what!?.........i'm sorry,so sorry,.......is there a problem..........can i help you!?hehe!!if you speak spanish.......press 1!hehe!!

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    Re: Speaker blasts design theory

    Darwin's defender

    America's answer to Richard Dawkins is a self-confessed 'bright', his term for atheists, agnostics and defenders of Darwinism, a man who has made it his crusade to confront what he sees as the pernicious influence of the religious right in the United States. By Tim Adams
    http://books.guardian.co.uk/departme...html?gusrc=rss
    Sunday March 12, 2006
    The Observer


    Daniel Dennett has something of the look of those seventeenth-century puritan preachers who would talk for hours about the sins of the flesh. The gospel he has spent most of his life spreading, however, has nothing to do with supernatural vengeance; quite the opposite. His full white beard is worn more in homage to Charles Darwin than the Almighty.
    When I went to see him at the little office in the corner of a quadrangle at Tufts University he has occupied for 30 years, he was examining on his computer screen the cover of his new book, Breaking the Spell. His book seeks to demonstrate that religion, chiefly Christianity, is itself a biologically evolved concept, and one that has outlived its usefulness. In America, these days, that is the most virulent form of fighting talk.

    Dennett, you might say, has been working up to this. His previous bestselling books, Darwin's Dangerous Idea and Consciousness Explained, established him as America's most important and entertaining philosopher; such is the provocative content of Breaking the Spell that it earned him a reported publishing advance of a million dollars.
    I had been reading Dennett's book on the plane to Boston and 36,000 feet seemed about right for its heady intelligence. He has made his polymathic career mixing rigorous science and philosophy with anecdote and storytelling; Richard Dawkins, his friend and British equivalent, routinely calls Dennett 'surpassingly brilliant'. Like Dawkins he is, too, not without a sense of mischief. He begins his latest 400-page argument against the divine, for example, by comparing the idea of religion to a tiny parasite, a lancet fluke, 'a little brain worm', that changes the behaviour of an ant, its host, in order to get itself swallowed by a sheep or a cow so it can reproduce in a bovine gut. It is not, it would be fair to say, a version of the greatest story ever told that is designed to appeal to the crusading legions of the religious right. cont at site

    'Many very intelligent people really don't want to hear how a magic trick is done; they prefer their ignorant mystification.'
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