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  1. #49
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    Jul 2007

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    Mr. Grim,

    Here is a list of Patriot act related abuses, including Americans who have been charged under the patriot act:


    NEW JERSEY Homeless Driven Out Using Patriot Act
    Use of Patriot Act against homeless is under fire
    N.J. City Criticized for Homeless Lawsuit
    June 29, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/yu3yts
    NEW YORK STATE School Prankster Arrested Under Patriot Act
    April 5 2005 http://tinyurl.com/235ln6
    This one is classic:

    MICHIGAN Teenager Charged With Terrorism Under Patriot Act After Swearing at Teacher
    October 4, 2004 The Jackson Citizen Patriot http://tinyurl.com/2f76uw
    Student Misconduct Becomes Terrorism under Patriot Act
    While such conduct certainly needs to be addressed, framing teen-age acting out as terrorism sidesteps the normal judicial process and could be an exaggeration of the actual seriousness of the crime or offense. It certainly is not what Americans think of as terrorism. What was the outcome of these two cases, I wonder.
    How about a webmaster, shltcanned for a political website:

    CALIFORNIA NIGHTMARE: The U.S. Government Wanted 'To Make an Example Out of Me': Young Webmaster Heads to Prison for Political Website
    VIDEO Democracy Now http://tinyurl.com/2g8sbr
    September 3, 2003—The 20 year-old Webmaster of a California-based site called raisethefist.com is to begin a yearlong prison term today. And when he gets out of prison next year, he will be banned from associating with anyone who wants to "change the government in any way."


    P.S. - You can go back to officially blowing me now.

  2. #50
    Join Date
    Feb 2005

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawanja
    Mr. Grim,

    Here is a list of Patriot act related abuses, including Americans who have been charged under the patriot act:




    P.S. - You can go back to officially blowing me now.



  3. #51
    BVR USA Liaison Guest

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    FBI lied to get ISPs to turn over data

    Nick Farrell
    UK Inquirer
    Friday, July 13, 2007
    THE FBI'S counter terrorism unit sent a large number of fake emergency letters to phone companies, asking them to turn over phone records immediately.

    According to Wired, the letters are part of a legitimate procedure which is supposed to be used so that the spooks can get access while the Feds are getting a warrant.

    But it seems that the letters, signed by Larry Mefford,the Executive Assistant Director, in charge of the Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division, were faked and the department had no intention of getting a warrant.

  4. #52
    BVR USA Liaison Guest

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    Decider Guy Demands Further Erosion of the Fourth

    Kurt Nimmo
    Sunday July 29, 2007

    If Bush and the neocons have their way, your cell phone will be an official government surveillance device. Of course, your cell phone and computer connected to the internet are already surveillance devices, it is just that Bush and the neocons want to enshrine this fact in law.

    “President Bush used his weekly radio address Saturday to urge Congress to modernize a law that governs the interception of communications between suspected terrorists abroad,” reports Voice of America, the official propaganda organ of the U.S. government. In other words, the NSA, CIA, and the Pentagon, through so-called modernization, will be able to legally monitor all “terrorist” communications, that is to say anybody who opposes the government. As we know, the NSA has done this for decades. Bush is simply advertising to make it all this incessant snooping legal and above board.

  5. #53
    Join Date
    Jul 2007

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    I... I... I was hoodwinked by that wascawy wabbit again...

    Senate and House Vote Roll Call on U.S. Patriot Act 2001 & 2006

    These are the 98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patirot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00313 Akaka (D-HI), Yea
    Allard (R-CO), Yea
    Allen (R-VA), Yea
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Bennett (R-UT), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Boxer (D-CA), Yea
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Bunning (R-KY), Yea
    Burns (R-MT), Yea
    Byrd (D-WV), Yea
    Campbell (R-CO), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Chafee (R-RI), Yea
    Cleland (D-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Conrad (D-ND), Yea
    Corzine (D-NJ), Yea
    Craig (R-ID), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dayton (D-MN), Yea
    DeWine (R-OH), Yea

    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Domenici (R-NM), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Yea
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Ensign (R-NV), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
    Frist (R-TN), Yea
    Graham (D-FL), Yea
    Gramm (R-TX), Yea
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea
    Hagel (R-NE), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Helms (R-NC), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Inouye (D-HI), Yea
    Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    Leahy (D-VT), Yea
    Levin (D-MI), Yea
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea

    Lott (R-MS), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Nickles (R-OK), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Santorum (R-PA), Yea
    Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Smith (R-NH), Yea
    Smith (R-OR), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Specter (R-PA), Yea
    Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
    Stevens (R-AK), Yea
    Thomas (R-WY), Yea
    Thompson (R-TN), Yea
    Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
    Warner (R-VA), Yea
    Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
    Wyden (D-OR), Yea

  6. #54
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    Jul 2007

    Re: Patriot Act: No rights have been violated!

    So Photo, I suppose that makes it ok then?

    Patroit act compromise clears way for Senate Vote

    See photo, when these people like Rush Limbaugh tell you what to think, they never tell you the whole story. The myth is that since both sides voted for and to reauthorize the patriot act, then it must be something that "we" the people are ok with.

    But, they don't tell you that the first time this legislation went up nobody in congress read it or even knew what was in it, and that the second time a compromise was reached - see if you'll remember for us, this was right around the time the republicans were discussing the "nuclear option" to stop democratic filibusters for judicial appointees.

    Nuclear option

    Thus to keep the fight down on the Patriot Act, the republicans comprised with the democrats and restricted some of the act's more controversial aspects, like say the ability to serve you with gag letters that were illegal for you to talk about with no way of you ever challenging them.

    A far cry from the "It's your fault too" baloney story the Rush and Coulter types feed you. You really should stop listening to that bullshlt.

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