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    State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006
    By John Mills, News 4

    Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name Christianity the state's official "majority" religion. House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature. Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday. Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups, began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution. The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs. The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."
    State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri, sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or over the phone.



    KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the resolution, but he has yet to respond.


    http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stori....7d361c3f.html

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    MY RESPONSE:

    david.sater@house.mo.gov
    Representative David Sater
    Iím dumbfounded!!
    Please excuse my inability to vocalize a more articulate objection!
    It is understandable though.
    I have never seen anything quite this STUPID before!


    State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion
    ...........PLUS TEXT...
    ...........

    If you would do me one courtesy, can I have a copy of your House Concurrent Resolution 13.
    Thank You
    Mr. Buster

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    the concept of "seperation of church and state" goes back to the 11th century.
    i mean, if you name christianity the official state relgion, what becomes of the other religions in that area? as far as that bill goes, they could be persecuted or abused and recieve almost no protection. yeah thats an exaggeration, but it gets the idea across. history has shown us that SOME christians are very intolerant of other beliefs or groups of people several times. take note:
    the crusades: christians didnt like muslims
    Holocaust: Hitler (who was christian) was [very] intorlerant of other beliefs. i need not say more
    K.K.K. the protestant christians in the deep south dont like ANYONE (including members of that same faith, but of different race).
    as far as im concerned, the which christians in missouri probably arent very fond of the black or jewish population. that could spell trouble...

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    Oh geez! This would not be a good thing, not at all. The minute a government, state or otherwise DECLARES that religion to be the "official" religion, the corporation State now OWNS that religion. It now belongs to Caesar. If christians have ANY common sense left at all they will fight this proposal tooth and nail. If the state OWNS you they can tell you what you will and will not preach from the pulpit. Furthermore, they can also charge you for the privilege.

    Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Crab of PAIN!!!
    K.K.K. the protestant christians in the deep south dont like ANYONE (including members of that same faith, but of different race).
    as far as im concerned, the which christians in missouri probably arent very fond of the black or jewish population. that could spell trouble...
    Missouri has some of the oldest KKK chapters in the nation. In the early decades of the 20th century they were a very 'Visible' presence in that state, not the ĎInvisible Empireí that they would become later. Iíll have to look this up again but I believe some of the founding members of the KKK were from this State.
    I agree with the observation you are alluding to, this is no coincidence. The same psychosis that created the KKK is being revived here again to establish a Tyrannical Christian Theocracy.

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Of course the Governor gets a letter on this one. I think these folks are going to be very busy come Monday Morning.

    Dear Governor Blunt,
    Another thought that came to mind. Do you folks have Civics Classes in High School there or does everyone take SHOP instead?

    http://www.gov.mo.gov/constituentform.htm

    PS. I went to the State Gov'ts site first and they shut down the link to the Governors e-mail there. LOL there already ducking for cover on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Oh geez! This would not be a good thing, not at all. The minute a government, state or otherwise DECLARES that religion to be the "official" religion, the corporation State now OWNS that religion. It now belongs to Caesar. If christians have ANY common sense left at all they will fight this proposal tooth and nail. If the state OWNS you they can tell you what you will and will not preach from the pulpit. Furthermore, they can also charge you for the privilege.

    Good grief.
    ditto that.

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    think of it this way..........fear is as fear does!?so.........let them pass a bill!?that will guarantee 2000 ho-houses and child porn will THRIVE in that state!?hehe!!just askin!?hehe!!if a law is passed.........the people go to SLEEP!?hehe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    think of it this way..........fear is as fear does!?so.........let them pass a bill!?that will guarantee 2000 ho-houses and child porn will THRIVE in that state!?hehe!!just askin!?hehe!!if a law is passed.........the people go to SLEEP!?hehe!!
    As I recall hearing on the news, it's not a law they're proposing....it's more of a declaration or a statement. Still, most in Missouri oppose it, which they have every right to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heatwaveo8
    As I recall hearing on the news, it's not a law they're proposing....it's more of a declaration or a statement. Still, most in Missouri oppose it, which they have every right to.
    If the harmless declaration was to announce Judaism or Islam as the official Religion?
    There might be a problem with that uh. Do ya think?
    It is still a vulgar insult to the tradition of Separation of Church and State and a waste of time and tax payer money to even entertain the idea.
    Also keep in mind that some institutions in this country were also created by casual proclamations and memoís NOT by the electorate or by any representative body.
    The NSA for one.

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be MissouriÔŅĹs official religion

    Declaring an official religion which is recognized by the state is unconstitutional. This clearly goes against the separation of church and state. The bill sounds to me like a recipe for disaster, especially when considering the people in that part of the country who use religion as a veil to justifiy their terribly acts.

    Blue Crab:

    I would like to point out however that these people (along with many other evil-doers in history) are not true Christians. Hitler, the KKK, the crusaders, etc. - people like this manipulate others to believe that their actions are justified by their religious beliefs, which they are not

    How could one who destroys life, and subjects countless people to needless pain and suffering honestly think that they are acting in accordance whith a religion that teaches: turn the other cheek, love your neighbor and your enemy, do as you would want done to you, forgive those who betray you, blessed are the merciful, blessed are the peacemakers, etc. These are Jesus' teachings.

    People who commit evil in the name of Christ are nothing less than liars. They are not Christians, but rather true adversaries.

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    The Gov. acknowledges receiving my letter but clearly does not commit to even a vocal protest in the name of uholding the Constitution. Iím convinced these bastards are going to push this piece of sh^t.
    It ainít over Iím sending him a copy of the First Amendment as a reading comprehension quiz.


    U.S. Constitution: First Amendment
    First Amendment - Religion and Expression

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    He GovÖ.did they have a copy of this in the Law Library where you went to college?

    Mr. Buster,
    Thank you for your recent e-mail with regard to House Concurrent Resolution 13, sponsored by State Representative David Sater.

    I appreciate hearing your views on this matter. As a House Concurrent Resolution, this particular act will not come to my desk for approval or veto at any point in the process. As such, the Resolution will not hold the power of law if passed. As Governor of Missouri, I have sworn to uphold the Constitutions of the United States and the State of Missouri, including every citizenís right to practice their own religious faith without obstruction or coercion.

    Again, thank you for your e-mail. Feel free to contact me if I may be of assistance in the future.

    Sincerely,

    Matt Blunt
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    this is utterly sickening to read. such a greivous and irresponsible use of an elected position as this we have never seen,.....until Bush and his Christian Moralists took over.

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    OH GOD!!.....nice beginning dontcha think!?but anyway! i just listened to the plea of the "W" on C-SPAN of his address to the whatever(sorry)and i have to admit.he bared his soul if you will as he wills!?(as 1 can will from office) and i see his plight and i see his fallen cause.and i have sympathy yet i have no compliance. NOT YET/NEVER!!because as his will is my will HIS FAITH is NOT my UNDERSTANDING of FAITH!!hehe!!did i make myself clear!?hehe!!because........in 2000!his faith DIED!!hehe!!just askin!?hehe!!
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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Quote Originally Posted by umdkook
    this is utterly sickening to read. such a greivous and irresponsible use of an elected position as this we have never seen,.....until Bush and his Christian Moralists took over.
    Those are not Christians.

    FVF

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    UPDATE:
    This is still a cause for concern. [Bill posted for reference]


    SECOND REGULAR SESSION

    House Concurrent Resolution No. 13

    93RD GENERAL ASSEMBLY

    4572L.02I


    Whereas, our forefathers of this great nation of the United States recognized a Christian God and used the principles afforded to us by Him as the founding principles of our nation; and


    Whereas, as citizens of this great nation, we the majority also wish to exercise our constitutional right to acknowledge our Creator and give thanks for the many gifts provided by Him; and


    Whereas, as elected officials we should protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs while showing respect for those who object; and


    Whereas, we wish to continue the wisdom imparted in the Constitution of the United States of America by the founding fathers; and


    Whereas, we as elected officials recognize that a Greater Power exists above and beyond the institutions of mankind:


    Now, therefore, be it resolved by the members of the House of Representatives of the Ninety-third General Assembly, Second Regular Session, the Senate concurring therein, that we stand with the majority of our constituents and exercise the common sense that voluntary prayer in public schools and religious displays on public property are not a coalition of church and state, but rather the justified recognition of the positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours, the United States of America.

    http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/bil...o/HCR0013I.htm







    I found this at another blog. ENUFF is using cyberspace to generate opposition to HSC 13

    You are receiving this email because you are among the hundreds of people who added their name to Mainstream Voices of Faith: Energized Neighbors United for Faith & Freedom (ENUFF) over the past several months. The steering committee has been working to develop a program and direction for the group and we are just about to announce a rally to be held on May 7th, as well as a day of workshops to be held in June. However, something has occurred that needs our quick attention.

    You may have heard by now about House Concurrent Resolution No. 13 which has been proposed in the Missouri House of Representatives. If not, the language of that resolution is attached and I will paste it at the end of this message. As you will see, the language contained within, but most especially the spirit behind this resolution must not go unanswered. Therefore, Mainstream Voices of Faith has called a press conference for 2:00pm tomorrow (Wednesday, March 8th) at Country Club Congregational UCC at 205 West 65th Street in KCMO. We invite you to join us there if you are available.

    Most importantly, we have crafted a response resolution (which is also attached and pasted below) and are collecting signatures and support for this resolution. Obviously, this effort will continue after tomorrow's press conference, but we'd like to have as many names as possible by tomorrow.

    WE ESPECIALLY WANT CLERGY & RELIGIOUS LEADERS' SIGNATURES, AND THEN THOSE FROM MISSOURI. WE WILL COLLECT ALL SIGNATURES, BUT ARE ASKING YOUR HELP IN GETTING THIS WORD OUT, ESPECIALLY TO CLERGY AND OTHER LEADERS AND THOSE IN MISSOURI. IF YOU KNOW OF ORGANIZATIONS AND/OR CLERGY WHO MIGHT BE WILLING AND AVAILABE TO SPEAK TOMORROW, PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT AS WELL.

    Thank you for your help and for your support. We will be back in touch shortly to tell you more about our May 7th rally, but go ahead and save that date--3:00 - 5:00pm. Location TBA.

    Take good care.
    Boo
    http://www.streetprophets.com/story/.../7/17305/48674




    To date no new action. It looks like MO.ís theo-thugs are waiting for the heat to die down on the bill so they can push this puppy later.

    Bill Summaries for HCR13
    NO BILL SUMMARIES AVAILABLE FOR CONCURRENT RESOLUTIONS
    Sponsor: Sater, David (68) Proposed Effective Date: 08/28/2006
    CoSponsor: Fisher, Barney (125) ..........etal. LR Number: 4572L.02I
    Last Action: 03/08/2006 - Placed on the Informal Perfection Calendar (H)
    HCR13
    Next Hearing: Hearing not scheduled
    House Calendar HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTIONS - INFORMAL
    http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/bills/hcr13.htm
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