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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Mainstream Voices of Faith resolution (based on House Concurrent Resolution No. 13 which follows):

    Whereas, our forbearers of this great nation of the United States recognized that religious liberty would be among the most important principles upon which our nation would be founded and that the separation of church & state would be an American practice that would insure religious freedom for all; and,

    Whereas, the United States Constitution states that government shall make "...no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" and,

    Whereas, the Missouri Constitution states that "...no preference shall be given to nor any discrimination made against any church, sect or creed of religion, or any form of religious faith or worship;" and,

    Whereas, the Kansas Constitution states that "...no preference be given by law to any religious establishment or mode of worship;" and,

    Whereas, as religious leaders and others in the Kansas City metro area and beyond, we wish to exercise our constitutional and God-given rights to acknowledge and define our Creator in our own ways rather than have a definition imposed upon us; and,

    Whereas, as citizens of these United States, we understand that elected officials and governments are charged with the protection of the minority from the tyranny of the majority; and

    Whereas, we wish to maintain the wisdom imparted in the founding documents of the United States of America; and

    Whereas, we as religious leaders and other people of faith recognize and praise a Higher Power that exists above and beyond the institutions of humankind and, therefore, requires neither the protection nor the defense of the Missouri House of Representatives, or any other governmental body;

    Now, therefore, let it be resolved, by the signatures that appear on this page, that we, the clergy leaders of Mainstream Voices of Faith, as well as other religious leaders and citizens in the Kansas City Metro area stand with the majority of our congregants, colleagues, families and friends in denouncing the passage of and the spirit behind House Concurrent Resolution 13 of the Missouri House of Representatives; and,

    Be it further resolved, that we invite others in our area who are concerned about this kind of encroachment of theocracy onto public life to join us for a rally on May 7th, 2006 from 3:00 - 5:00pm at LOCATION TO BE ANNOUNCED

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Wow, I'm a christian but even I think this is a terrible idea. I think that any time a christian has to go through legislation to do God's work that they're completely missing the boat. Next thing you know we'll be holding inquisitions and burning people at the stake.

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Quote Originally Posted by tafkaga
    Wow, I'm a christian but even I think this is a terrible idea. I think that any time a christian has to go through legislation to do God's work that they're completely missing the boat. Next thing you know we'll be holding inquisitions and burning people at the stake.
    Naa, you lot have already done that. And if there's one thing people who go by the word christian like to do, its dream up new and exquisite ways to torture and persecute and, well, just generally make life for the rest of us as miserable as your guilt driven minds possibly can.
    LOL
    Just doing god's work down here, yassum, just doin' the lord's toil.
    When you gunna learn that 95% of the world dont want to be saved by cheeses.

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    That's pretty judgemental, not that you care. I tend not to make blanket statements like that about non-christians, since I don't like seeing them made about us. I definitely can see how there are many christians out there today that are misguided, but it seems a little bigoted to make blanket statements about us all.

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Quote Originally Posted by tafkaga
    That's pretty judgemental, not that you care. I tend not to make blanket statements like that about non-christians, since I don't like seeing them made about us. I definitely can see how there are many christians out there today that are misguided, but it seems a little bigoted to make blanket statements about us all.
    Many Christians oppose campaigning from the pulpit and obvious disregard for Seperation of Church and State. I'm Catholic and I despise these bible thumpers, they are liars and thiefs. But it is time that truly patriotic christians take a stand against these morons. They are clearly a minority of all christians as well. I don't agree with pancho but I know where this anger comes from. I'm pissed off at these yo-yos myself.

    See my previous post pancho. the opposition in MO. is also christain.
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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Quote Originally Posted by tafkaga
    That's pretty judgemental, not that you care. I tend not to make blanket statements like that about non-christians, since I don't like seeing them made about us. I definitely can see how there are many christians out there today that are misguided, but it seems a little bigoted to make blanket statements about us all.
    Oh sorry, was I being judgemental. But aren't you lovely having the luxury of not making blanket statements about groups of humanity who adhere to a belief system. Just so you dont feel as if I'm picking on just christains I'll include moslems in that blanket bigoted judgemental stance Im taking.
    OK, you feel better now!
    But I kinda like Buddhists, not that keen on Hindu's tho' the caste systemBS kinda gets on my goat,but I like the elephant god thingy. Like the Dogon a lot too. And the bushmen of the Kalahari, and always had a soft spot for the Hopi and Navajo. And as far as dead historic systems the Celts were cool. Then there was Tao.........

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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    Quote Originally Posted by tafkaga
    Again, I say this as a christian. I have strong faith in God and in the bible, but not in man. People like these who are trying to get this bill passed are screwing up christianity, all the while thinking they're doing something good.
    I found this today on the About.com site. This guy does a good job of documenting this disconnect between real Christianity and the new fangled theo-thugs perception of Christianity.

    Religious Right and Christian Right in American Religion
    http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousright/


    Hereís one article there:

    Individualism, Greed, and the Christian Right (Book Notes: The Cheating Culture)


    Perhaps the most important catch-phrase of the Christian Right is 'family values' and a significant amount of their political, social, and cultural agenda is predicated on the defense of 'family values.' One of the problems with this is that the Christian Right has a very narrow conception of what qualifies as a threat to 'family values.' It's almost all about sex, never money or materialism.

    In The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead, David Callahan writes:
    "Neoconservatives and the Christian right teamed up to mount sweeping attacks in the 1980s on those aspects of individualism that clashed with family values, mounting a cultural war against sexual promiscuity, drug use, feminism, homosexuality, and artists like Robert Mapplethorpe. Conservatives had little to say ó then or now ó about the moral downsides of the money culture, such as greed, cheating, materialism, envy, and the ways in which careerism elbowed aside family and community. For all their invocations of God, it seemed that the rightís moral missionaries had only read every other page of the Bible ó ignoring the incessant warnings in both testaments about the evils of becoming obsessed with riches and growing callous toward the less fortunate.

    From the early Ď80s on, the individualism spawned by the Ď60s evolved in a deeply lopsided way. Conservatives championed those individual freedoms associated with the free market, while deriding the hedonism associated with the counterculture. It became not all right in our society to express yourself by altering your consciousness with drugs or getting naked with strangers. But it was all right ó admired, in fact ó to express yourself with a Rolex, a Porsche, or a pedantic mastery of French wines."

    Iím not going to argue that feminism, homosexuality, or Robert Mapplethorpe arenít threats to family values ó I donít believe that they are, but my disagreement with the Christian Right on these points isnít relevant to the question we need to address here. The question is: why doesnít the Christian Right give a similar amount of time to addressing how cheating, materialism, envy, careerism, and greed can be harmful to families, family values, and the lives of the average person?

    I donít think that it can be argued that these things arenít any sort of threat at all ó one might dispute just how much of a threat this or that issue is, but I donít think that the complete absence of any threat is a plausible position to adopt. It definitely canít be argued that there is no precedent or basis for criticism of such things in either Christian tradition or Christian scripture. On the contrary, there may be more in tradition and scripture dealing with greed, pride, and money than with sexuality.

    So this isnít an argument that the Christian Right should be criticizing cheating and materialism instead of or even more than adultery and homosexuality. I personally think that this would make more sense, but I donít need to make that argument ó I merely need to point out that they arenít criticizing the former anywhere close to the latter (and sometimes not at all) in order to say that there is something wrong and something that requires an explanation.

    What might the explanation be? Is it the case that the Christian Right has absorbed so much from American culture that it has abandoned basic principles which have been important to Christianity for centuries? Is it the case that the Christian Rightís involvement with the Republican Party prevents it from seriously challenging the interests and values of big business? Perhaps itís something else ó or all of the above. I donít know, but itís a question thatís definitely worth exploring.

    http://atheism.about.com/b/a/252150.htm
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    Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouriís official religion

    I would love to see Missouri legally establish Christianity as its official religion.

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