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    Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    This should be interesting. In my opinion, the full-blooded Native Americans are either of the tribe of Manasseh, Ephraim, Judah or Benjamin. The LDS church, though, teaches them to be of the tribe of Manasseh. Critics have claimed most of the time that only Judah's tribe was present in Israel at the Babylonian captivity. They say, "how could Manassseh's tribe have been in Israel when the Book of Mormon was claimed to have started?" With some explanations, it will be understandable as to why this is.

    When the tribes were scattered for the first time, Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon's descendants were scattered throughout the world with other tribes. Sometime before the Babylonian captivity, a King of Judah by the name of Asa gathered some of these tribes back into Israel.

    "And he gathered all Judah and Benjamin, and the strangers with them out of Ephraim and Manasseh, and out of Simeon: for they fell to him out of Israel in abundance" - 2 Chronicles 15:9

    So here from a biblical source we have the 5 tribes that were present in Israel from this time until the Babylonian captivity. Given that the Book of Mormon claims to have started just before the captivity, it can be supposed that some of Manasseh and Ephraim's descendants remained there until that time. It's important to note that the Book of Mormon clarifies that, at the times approaching the captivity, the Gentile Prophets of Manasseh were hated by the tribe of Judah, who threatened to take the Prophets' lives, including Lehi's. Perhaps this partly clarifies why the Biblical scripture defines them as strangers.

    The best explanation to give you is that, in due time, advanced DNA technology will likely show which tribe the Native Americans are really from. Don't take out the possibility, though, that they may very well be from Manasseh.
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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Heatwaveo8;

    Please connect to this link regarding Mormonism.

    http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_ifur.htm

    When you are done reading the introduction to Mormons, click on "Return to Mormonism" for all of the topic headings. Read every page in detail; tell me what you think.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    see also this research into Masonry, Mormonism, and Merovingian Bloodline.

    http://www.geocities.com/jesuskids20...ntsofjesus.htm

    http://web.archive.org/web/200310081...om/masonry.htm

    http://www.thenewagesite.com/jjdewey...g/chapter9.php

    http://web.archive.org/web/200310040...oodRoyale.html

    'Ten Lost Tribes of Israel' and the Bloodline of King David.

    The Illuminati and it's occult symbology denoting the hidden truth behind its magickal origins can be found in the most powerful nations on earth, these being the modern Atlantic nations of America and Britain, yet in ancient times, Britannia, Egypt, Sumer, and Babylon. With the addition of all the lies being propagated worldwide to Jews and non-Jews alike, through the use of (Cainitic) "Jewish" mysticism, Qabalah, Zohar, Talmud, etc., and with the equally destructive parallel witchcraft eminating from such Anglo-Israelist, Masonic fringe groups as the fast growing Salt Lake Temple belonging to the so-called Latter Day Saints who are also better known as "The Mormons" as well as their more radical counterparts within violent Anglo-Israel groups such as the Aryan Nations, White Brotherhood, the Christian Identity Movement and the infamous Ku Klux Klan, all of these groups truly believing the Lost Tribes of Israel are literally Britain and America (very dangerous thinking given how Satan has used Nazi-type doctrines of supremacy before). With this level of grand deception already underway, the Serpent worshipping Illuminati therefore lacks nothing to bring forth their Antichrist onto the world scene, an Anti-Christ who will be possessed by Satan himself and deceive the nation of Israel to her later peril and own near destruction. It only now depends on God's timing and the coming great destructive Catalyst that ushers in the time of the Beast. The new world it produces after will certainly see Great Britain and Europe at the helm of world events as the United States will have certainly been removed by that point to make way for the Antichrist and his own world policy and domination. Britain, the mother country of modern Satanism, the British Royal Family and its Societies have long been involved with the Occult. Scottish Rite Freemasons even refer to present day Queen Elizabeth II of England in one of their own Satanic rites as "The Queen of Babylon," Babylon being that spiritually-called, non-literal, and allegorical reference in Revelation denoting the ten-nation confederacy where the Antichrist arises out of, the revived Roman Empire.(see Revelation 11:8).

    For more information on Satanic lineages within Britain, there is a detailed examination in the book 'The Prince and the Paranormal -the Psychic Bloodline of the Royal Family' by John Dale (1987), the same book that was banned outright by Queen Elizabeth herself. His work and others explicitly proves beyond all doubt, that the British and Scottish Royal Families throughout the centuries have been not only participants, but playing a major role and actively involved with ancient societies such as the Knights Templar, Scottish Rite Freemasonry, Tamar, and more recently the Order of the Garter, with an initial history going back to before the Crusades (a history showing its true origins in the tribes of Cain's). Bringing this up to date, the Anglo-factioned secret societies of Britain and America (i.e. the Priory of Sion) control and protect Zionist Israel and its future despotic King (Antichrist) having divisions well hidden within British Intelligence MI-5, MI-6, American CIA, and as some say, even within the Israeli Mossad itself. It is these four, along with others, who have been systematically used as a major vehicle for the Satanic hierarchy working behind the secret veil to control world events thru their many assassinations, sabotage, and intrigue. Merovingian Dynastic history was once only thought by most scholars to be the history of France, yet now many such as Sir Laurence Gardner and other royal genealogists are revealing its previously hidden connections into Scotland and currently, with the children of Diana. For centuries, Merovingians (and its Lost King) were central to the marriages of all French and English kings, and it remains so today with respect to English monarchy. Yet there is much more going on here than most historians will ever know. The marriage of Charles to Diana was so extremely important because Diana brought one aspect of the Merovingian bloodline back to the English crown: Greatest among the princess's forbearers were the Stuart kings, Charles II and James II. "In marrying Prince Charles, she has unwittingly given this Bloodline to the current Royal Family in England, and thus, her son Prince William is the first child to claim the 'Blueblooded lineage' from every British king who has left descendants."

    Now since Jews know and perceive that their Messiah must come from the 'Royal Seed of David,' that is to say they believe their future Messiah can have his unbroken lineage and Bloodline traced thirty centuries back to Israel's most beloved King David, the mists begin to part and you can now see what amounts to an equally powerful Holy Grail deception, yet this time cast directly at Jews themselves while playing on their ancient hopes and needs for a Davidic Messiah to finally bring them peace and therefore, a new age. (It is sad to note how mainstream religious Jews both past and present will not recognize Christ, their True Messiah who easily has his lineage traced back to King David, even being the literal 'Son of David' and fulfilling every single Davidic Messianic prophecy attributed Him in both advents; see Luke 24:27, 44 Revelation 5:5, 22:16). The following links then become prime examples of how Israel (and to a large extent even today's Judeo-Christians) will become suduced by a third version of this deception called the Restoration Movement of England) which outlines that Great Britain, moreover the Scottish House of Stuart and the British House of Windsor (both these lineages in Prince William) are the literal ancestral lineages from which their own 'future Messiah' will herald from.

    Rabbi's discuss the matter the more they are moving toward the belief that England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales may in fact contain their so-called Lost Tribes ("lost" after the Assyrian captivity; circa 700 BC when ten tribes having been scattered, are believed never to have returned to Israel.) Interestingly enough, at the same time they are also saying and teaching others that it was impossible for Jesus to have ever been their Messiah, and one reason they cite repeatedly is Christ's lineage. The Messiah must be a descendant of King David from his father's side, is the current belief. They say this was rendered impossible with Christ as (they half-mockingly state) Christ was the product of a Virgin-birth and therefore could never have been their King, and with this they have again limited God. Christ not only was their Messiah, He was the literal descendant of King David, furthermore, He was the literal 'Son of David' just as He is called, that is to say the seed that God the Father used to impregnate Mary had the entire genetic makeup, the DNA from the Davidic lineage, moreover, it was from King David himself. It seems even God's people have lost sight that with God, all things are possible, and all things are done according to His word, yet time and again the ruling or religious establishments would certainly have you believe otherwise.



    "...it is also here in England where those that continue to reject their Messiah are based, and why the powerful Judean minority of England always backs their Judean brothers in the Mid-east, and why their offshoot America always follows their lead and vice versa. For although England is called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, its Kings and Queens are not the true lineage of David.

    For only in the Last Days will our King David, step forward, via his ancestral blood and fulfill his prophetic appearance via the Stone of Destiny...and a new King Arthur, the once and future King of England shall re-appear and establish a new Round Table of Equality in fighting for the Lord and His cause."

    http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/antichrist/1.html
    http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/antichrist/2.html


    lies and false archeology of a linked ancestry through the ongoing Lost Tribes of Israel research

    http://www.unitedisrael.org/


    http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ingDavid2.html


    http://members.tnns.net/wordweb/losttribe.htm


    http://www.angelfire.com/pe/rcmatteson/celtic.html


    http://members.tnns.net/wordweb/mans7.htm

    http://web.archive.org/web/200112181...bkephraim.html

    http://web.archive.org/web/200209212.../cryaloud.com/


    http://web.archive.org/web/200312041...28/Christ.html

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...dah/index.html

    http://associate.com/stewart/stone_o_scone.html

    http://watch.pair.com/mason.html

    http://www.seekgod.ca/identity.htm

    http://web.archive.org/web/200406051...istory/kt5.htm

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    Heatwaveo8;

    Please connect to this link regarding Mormonism.

    http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_ifur.htm

    When you are done reading the introduction to Mormons, click on "Return to Mormonism" for all of the topic headings. Read every page in detail; tell me what you think.
    CoolItDown13, I'll reply to two of these per post....it will take a while to complete all of them....

    ----"Introduction"

    He understands why the faithful of us are so hard to remove from the Church. We have a testimony from the presence we feel of the Holy Ghost. Also, we do praise the fall. Reason being is because our exaltation wouldn't be possible without it, and the Atonement made up for it.

    ----"Are you studying with the Mormons or thinking of joining the Mormon Church?"

    What would the purpose of life be if we couldn't have the opportunity to gain what God has? Life would be useless. It's peculiar in that a church claiming to have the Priesthood authority says we can become Gods, whereas those who don't claim to have it say we can't. Here are two "very" important scriptures in the Bible regarding exaltation and the plurality of Gods.

    Ephesians 4
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Simply put, we can obtain the same glory that Christ has.

    1 Corinthians 8
    4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
    5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
    7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

    Paul most clearly defines the beliefs of the LDS Church in regards to this. There are many Gods and many Lords, but "for us" there is only one God, the Father, "and" one Lord, Jesus Christ....this has been the teaching of the Church since it began. God and Christ are separate beings with the same amount of glory.

    Lastly, here's the kicker proving that they're separate beings....Christ even says that the Father is His God, just as the Father is our God, indicating that Jesus is our spirit brother.

    John 20:17
    17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Originally posted by Heatwaveo8

    As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
    5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    6 But to us there is but one God
    You are severely misinterpreting the Bible. This verse is clearly illustrating the difference between God and false idols.

    "...we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."

    This is stating that an idol is nothing of value. And that man is the created - by God - not the creator - of gods. That there is "but one God"

    "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)"

    Still refering to false idols. The operative word here is called. This is refering to the made-up gods of man (greek and roman mythology specifically) Saying that there are "gods many, and lords many" is referring to what men worship as gods - mere figments of the imagination. This is stating that there are many that are falsely worshiped as gods.

    "But to us there is but one God"

    "But to us" - the Israelites - "there is but one God" - the true God. The Israelites were the chosen people by GOD. They worshipped the God who spoke to them, who guided them, who made them into a nation. They were specifically stating that the true (one) God is the only god worthy of worship.

    They were not refering to plural gods.
    This is a false teaching that was (unfortunately) started by the Mormon church.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    I knew somehow it would all end up being Pochahontas's fault. Blame it on a woman.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    This verse is clearly illustrating the difference between God and false idols.
    Correct

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    "...we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."

    This is stating that an idol is nothing of value. And that man is the created - by God - not the creator - of gods. That there is "but one God"
    Everything you said is correct. Our God is not Jesus Christ, though, as I clearly stated in the verse from St John. Only one who holds a higher glory can grant that glory to one who previously held a lower glory. Therefore, man can't give man the glory of God. Jesus Christ gave up his glory to come to earth and redeem mankind, and needed to have it restored by the Father afterward.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)"

    Still refering to false idols. The operative word here is called. This is refering to the made-up gods of man (greek and roman mythology specifically) Saying that there are "gods many, and lords many" is referring to what men worship as gods - mere figments of the imagination. This is stating that there are many that are falsely worshiped as gods.
    Could you try to explain to me why the account of the creation in most other languages, including Hebrew, uses the word "Gods"?

    Paul clearly states in the last verse that man would often misinterpret the Gods and Lords to represent the idols.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    "But to us there is but one God"

    "But to us" - the Israelites - "there is but one God" - the true God. The Israelites were the chosen people by GOD. They worshipped the God who spoke to them, who guided them, who made them into a nation. They were specifically stating that the true (one) God is the only god worthy of worship.

    They were not refering to plural gods.
    This is a false teaching that was (unfortunately) started by the Mormon church.
    Uhhhh, I'm sorry, but you realize that you're chunking the verses, right? You're not reading the whole set of scriptures altogether before you interpret them. I am. That verse clearly can be stated "but to us there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ." Obviously, the unconverted Israelite Jews wouldn't have believed that Jesus Christ was their Lord.

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    Well before I begin to refute you, let me just say that you are taking the entire verse (1 Corinthians 8) out of context:

    This whole section has to do with food, first of all. Much of the meat that was available in the marketplace at that time came from animals that were killed as part of pagan rituals (sacrificed in front of pagan idols); some of the meat was eaten at a feast in the idol's temple, and some was often taken to the marketplace. Because of this, some early Christians wondered if by eating such meat, they were sinning. Paul was instructing Christians who were (rightly) not bothered by the way the meat was killed (because these pagan rituals were literally meaningless), not to expect less-mature Christians to immediately follow suit.

    Many early Christians were so accustomed to idols and pagan rituals, that they put too much weight on these practices. Paul was saying that the food one eats does not bring one closer to God. Obviously you have to eat; if the only food that was available to you happened to be offered (meaninglessly) to some pagan idol, don't let that stop you - as long as you understand that it is meaningless. He was telling them that they were right not to be worried, but at the same time not to expect people who were new to the faith (gentile and Jew alike) to understand this right away.

    So that is the context of the verse. By taking the verse out of context it is easier for Mormon teachers to use it to paint a false picture. (This "out of context" approach is often used by cults as they pick-and-choose verses that can best be manipulated to fit their teaching.)

    Now onto your accusation that I am "chunking" the verse:

    First, I was not trying to "chunk" a section of the verse, because what I was saying [one God] is merely supported by the rest of the verse.

    Lets look at verse 6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him"

    What you do not understand here is that Paul is equating the Father and Jesus. The only difference in wording between the two are "God", and "lord" (which mean the same thing - God, the Father is frequently referred to as 'The Lord' in the Old Testament)
    also "of", "in", and "by". These all mean the same thing here. ("of whom" and "by whom" mean the same thing. Saying they were "in" the Father means that the belonged to Him; likewise, saying that they were "by" Jesus means that they belonged to Him.) If Jesus was not always God, and thus equal to the Father from the onset, this equation would not have been used. All things would not be "by" him. We would not be "by" him. Paul is being very careful here to equate the first two parts of the Trinity.

    You also do not understand the Trinity. the Trinity is three separate divisions of the same God; each with its own identity but still equally part of the same one God. Like time, for instance --past-present-future-- All are equally time, but within that general confine, each point has its own unique identity.

    So while Paul was referring to God and Jesus individually, he was also equating them as can clearly be understood by his choice of words.

    Originally posted by Heatwaveo8

    Could you try to explain to me why the account of the creation in most other languages, including Hebrew, uses the word "Gods"?
    You are using a translational misinterpretation to conform scripture to your presupposed meaning:

    "Elohim is the plural of El (or possibly of Eloah) and is the first name for God given in the Tanakh: 'In the beginning, God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth'(Genesis 1:1). The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking: it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean 'gods' when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g., see Gen. 1:26). However, considering the Hashalush HaKadosh (Trinity), the form indeed allows for the plurality within the Godhead.

    In the traditional Jewish view, Elohim is the Name of God as the Creator and Judge of the universe (Gen 1:1-2:4a).

    'The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to those, You want to know my name? I am called according to my actions. When I judge the creatures I am Elohim, and when I have mercy with My world, I am named YHVH [semitic root is 'to be']' (Ex R. 3:6)
    [clearly used singularly here as well - see italics]"
    - John J. Parsons -

    Elohim (incorrectly translated plurally sometimes) is a word that could be used in either the singular or the plural, depending on the context (like fish). But you must understand that, according to the Bible, there cannot be at the same time only one, and many Gods. That is where the Trinity comes into play.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    The 1 Corinthians 8 scriptures....take a look at the last verse I showed you.

    7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

    That knowledge: That there is one God, The Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ (as was explained previously)
    some with conscience of the idol: some of those who believe in the idols.
    Eat it: ignore it
    as: "like unto"

    This scripture is part symbolic and part literal. It is not entirely literal, as you claim it to be. It uses the idea of the food you're talking about so that the people will be able to better understand why they're not understanding it, and they can more easily know what he's talking about. It's saying that the doctrine that there is a God (the Father) and a Lord (Jesus Christ), who are separate beings, would be treated by those believing in the idols (not believing in God) like unto the food that is being offered to an idol.

    The LDS explanation for this is that the "God" of the Old testament is the "Lord" of the New testament, giving Jesus Christ the title of God and Lord..but He's not the God of our spirit body...he's the God of our physical body, because it is He who organized the world, and the materials which our bodies are made from. Christ is the Firstborn Son of the Father, who is the God of our spirit. He acknowledged His Father so many times that it appears clear that there is somebody else who is over Him.

    Simply put, I'm trying to understand here why it is that man would believe in the Trinity when it wasn't even introduced into Christianity until centuries after the Bible had been completed. That needs to be taken into serious consideration.

    1 Peter 2:9 says that the people of Christ's church are a peculiar people. Obviously that means they don't confine to several traditional beliefs.

    Here's some Joseph Smith teachings you should see...
    http://www.yrulds.com/home/progression/teachings.htm

    Lastly, Stephen's vision....
    Acts 7:55
    55 "But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,"

    I'm going to move on to the next two topics. Hopefully what I've said has helped you understand our take on it a little better.
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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Remember, we are here but by the grace of plate tectonics... Just some perspective, apply it to your idealogies as you will.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Originally posted by Heatwaveo8

    The LDS explanation for this is that the "God" of the Old testament is the "Lord" of the New testament, giving Jesus Christ the title of God and Lord..but He's not the God of our spirit body...he's the God of our physical body, because it is He who organized the world, and the materials which our bodies are made from. Christ is the Firstborn Son of the Father, who is the God of our spirit. He acknowledged His Father so many times that it appears clear that there is somebody else who is over Him.

    Simply put, I'm trying to understand here why it is that man would believe in the Trinity when it wasn't even introduced into Christianity until centuries after the Bible had been completed. That needs to be taken into serious consideration.[emphasis added]
    The trinity was not referenced by name in the Bible; but it is clearly represented by Jesus' words, and the writings of the apostles.

    See this link:

    http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstu...evelation5.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolitDown13
    The trinity was not referenced by name in the Bible; but it is clearly represented by Jesus' words, and the writings of the apostles.

    See this link:

    http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstu...evelation5.htm
    I'm saying that the idea, not the name, was created then.

    ----"What does Mormonism teach?"

    ......."Please note that these teachings are documented from Mormon writers, not anti-Mormon writers."......

    Huh??? What does that matter?? If only non-Mormons were to document their teachings, they'd confine them to fit their view, and nobody would understand the true teachings of the Church.

    ......."Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane,"........

    Yes, but that doesn't mean that we won't be judged on them, or that we don't need to repent. We're judged on what we have become, and if we sin, we can't become the kind of person God considers worthy of exaltation uness we faithfully repent throughout our life on this earth.

    ......"Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141.) This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven."......

    Baptism for the dead is specifically referenced in the Bible itself. However, that ordinance doesn't give the person a "free enterance" into Paradise. They need to accept the baptism, confirmation, endowment and sealing which were performed, and conitinue to show God that they are willing to follow His work and commandments, progressing in eternal status. If this status gets high enough, then in due time they will they be found worthy of going into Paradise.

    ..."The Devil"....
    Everything is correct. Satan tries to take away our agency and make people believe that everyone in the world will go straight to Paradise and live with Christ.....fact is, those in Paradise aren't even with Christ, because He's been exalted, and they haven't. The only time Christ was ever in Paradise was the period between His death and resurrection, in which He gave the spirits there the Priesthood keys necessary to be able to teach the Gospel to those in Spirit Prision. (This is why baptisms for the dead is only mentioned in the New Testament.) His visit to the Nephites came after He had been Resurrected and ascended to the Father, being instructed to visit the lost tribes. He then came back to Israel and said "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold," saying that He must leave. At this time He visited with the lost tribes throughout the world. It is thought that the "Great White God" legend of several lands may perhaps be associated with this, including lands with the descendants of the Lamanites, who would've heard the story from the Nephites whom the Lord visited.




    ----"Mormonism in a nutshell"

    ........He brought his wife to this world, a woman he had married on the other world. .......

    I've never been taught or heard in any general conference talk that His wife was brought to this world. His Wife is exalted, and hasn't had to experience the pains of earthly life ever again.

    The Church does not endorse any specific method as to how Mary was conceived. We also don't endorse that Jesus necessarily got married, though it may likely be possible because He is now exalted.
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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Originally posted by Heatwaveo8

    I'm saying that the idea, not the name, was created then.
    You are absolutely incorrect about that. There is a plethora of language in the Bible refering specifically to the idea of a trinity. Here is some evidence of Jesus using the three (father, son, holy spirit) interchangeably:

    Who raised Jesus from the dead?


    God?:
    Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    But we also read Jesus saying and the the Scriptures stating:

    John 2:19-21- Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.See? Jesus said He would do it.

    The Holy Spirit:
    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    The Father:
    Romans 6:4 -Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life

    There is further evidence elswhere.

    Colosians 1:28 also equates Jesus with the Father:

    For in Christ all fullness of the deity lives in bodily form


    Here is one from the Old Testament:

    Isa. 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    "Who raised Jesus from the dead?" is text copyright 2002, Peter P. Macinta

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Not to split hairs here BUT if we all came from Adam and Eve don't all of us have "ties to ancient Israel"?

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    Re: Native Americans likely have ties to ancient Israel

    Originally posted by sojustask

    Not to split hairs here BUT if we all came from Adam and Eve don't all of us have "ties to ancient Israel"?
    Not really. Because although the Bible claims that we all essentially came from one man an one woman; the offspring of them and of subsequent generations separated and migrated to other areas rather quickly. Israel in the Bible is not a location, but rather a group of people. The nation of Israel was not established until God gave "Jacob" the new name, "Israel". That was the real beginning of what today is known as the nation (not location) of Israel. It was, in those days, not necessarily a geographical location.
    So basically, Israel did not exist in the days of adam and eve.

    Also, no one knows where exactly eden is. Whether it is in the area of what today is Israel, or another place is no clear at all. But one may speculate that (in light of archaelogical findings) it was probably in africa.

    Now, the reason Mormonism is wrong about this, is that it claims that different tribes (the Nephites, etc) of Israelites - keep in mind what "Israelite" means in the Bible - migrated to North America. Not only is there no evidence of this migration, there is no evidence that these tribes ever even existed. In fact there is much information that demonstrates quite unambiguously against it.

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