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  1. Thread: Test

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    Not true. There was enormous opposition to the war throughout the world.



    Yes.



    I couldn't disagree more. They did it because too few people care enough to try to stop them.
  2. Thread: Test

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    It makes the difference between an illegal act and a legal act, between a moral act and an immoral act.



    Yes, they did. But that is not my own point. My own point is that they did it by means...
  3. Thread: Test

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    Catch22, the point is that they lied in order to start a war.



    Right. You and I know that, but Frankg is doubtful, so I'm attempting to persuade him through fact and logic.



    Why should...
  4. Thread: Test

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    Second, you gave me an article that addresses the notion that Saddam wanted to retain the knowledge to possibly reconstitute WMD in the future. There's nothing there that constitutes credible...
  5. Thread: Test

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    franKg,

    I asked you to give me even one piece of evidence to support the claims the Bush administration made prior to the invasion of Iraq.

    First, you gave me an article from 2006, almost three...
  6. Thread: Test

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    If you really don't think they lied, I challenge you to give me one piece of credible evidence they had at the time to support their claims.

    Just one. What do you think was their strongest piece...
  7. Thread: Test

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    The US acted on its intelligence and that of Great Britain ,France , Germany , Russia and Australia as well so for you to say that President George W Bush lied you are also accusing the other...
  8. Thread: Test

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    Abscence of WMD's doesn't mean that we were lied too, that is the typical liberal conspriacy theory which after 4 years still hasn't been proven

    It was easily demonstrable prior to the invasion...
  9. Thread: Test

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    Thanks for the welcome back, Lady Mod. I registered at the other place, but never received my activation email so I'm in limbo there for now.

    Yeah, this only being able to post a few paragraphs is...
  10. Thread: Test

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    Yes, you stated that you believed that Saddam was "perceived" to be a "threat" in post #43, on account of his WMD, and I pointed out the inaccuracy of this assertion in posts #45-52. Saddam wasn't a...
  11. Thread: Test

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    Hey Catch-22,

    Just thought I'd return for a bit and see what's going on.
  12. Thread: Test

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    In what way was he "perceived" as a threat? He was a "perceived" threat only if it was "perceived" he had WMD, but there was no credible evidence that this was the case. Minus the lies and...
  13. Thread: Test

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    The Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD did not examine claims made by the administration. It's sole purpose was to report the findings of the Iraq Survey Group...
  14. Thread: Test

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    The Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction begins with the assumption that there was an "intelligence failure" and builds upon that...
  15. Thread: Test

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    There has been no investigation to date mandated with investigating how intelligence was manipulated or how the administration deceived the American people, so this is a moot point.

    The Report on...
  16. Thread: Test

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    Does the Robb/Silberman report name a single example of a foreign government intelligence service that believed Iraq had WMD? If so, what intelligence was this based upon? What evidence did they have...
  17. Thread: Test

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    First of all, an intelligence judgment is very different from evidence, and the fact is there was no credible evidence to support this claim prior to the invasion.
  18. Thread: Test

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    What's up? I can only post short messages. So I'll try it in pieces.



    Read the second paragraph of your source article: "But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons...
  19. Thread: Test

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    I give up. I can't post a thing here. I'll be surprised if this works.
  20. Thread: Test

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    Nobody believed Iraq was "a serious threat to the world". To his own people, yes. But not even his Gulf neighbors, including Kuwait, felt threatened by Iraq at the time of the invasion.

    "He...
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    Re: The End of the Anti-War Movement

    The war was a crime and a sin. It was a violation of international law and the US Constitution, a war of aggression, "the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it...
  22. Thread: Test

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    Sir, your friends are not in Iraq so that we can exercise our freedom of speech. Iraq was not a threat to our freedom in any way, shape, or form.



    Not true. Powell stated openly prior to the...
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    Re: How America nukes its own troops

    Linkster, you simply that DU is absolutely harmless by means of comparing exposure to DU with exposure to other kinds of radioactivity from other elements on a daily basis. As someone who has "been...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    Grim,

    The "broken record" was the Bush administration.

    The folks who ignored the facts and made assumptions they couldn't support with the facts was the Bush administration.

    Contrary to your...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    Hi DeeDee,

    I didn't get the opportunity to reply to your response to my other thread, and you don't accept PMs. Thanks for responding. And contrary to what you may have been told, I appreciate...
  26. Re: More uranium found in Iran... Possibly weapons grade!

    In fact, that is correct, and any fool can read the two posts which preceded yours to confirm the fact that the context was the notion of Iran obtaining nukes. That's what the whole Iran debate is...
  27. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    If you think the answer to those questions are "NO", then how do you explain his statement that Iran obtaining nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" to...
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    Re: How America nukes its own troops

    By that logic, entering into the hypothetical, Iraq would be justified in nuking Washington, D.C., and the blame for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians living there would be on the...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    False.

    The truth is, as indicated in the NIE, the nation's top experts on centrifuges assessed that the tubes could not be used for that purpose, but were most likely intended for a conventional...
  30. Thread: Genocide

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    In context, as you know, what was "too good to be true" was the notion of Iran obtaining nukes. That was the title of the thread, and that was the content of the two posts which preceded yours.
    ...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    The fundamental fact of the matter is that administration officials made statements regarding Iraq as though they were proven fact when, in truth, they knew otherwise (in fact, oftentimes, as with...
  32. Thread: Genocide

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    Sorry...those are your words, not mine. But I understand why you are now trying to disown them, since advocating genocide is reprehensible and immoral.
  33. Thread: Genocide

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    dchristie,

    I never quoted you as saying you "wish Iran would have nukes". But you did, in fact, say you wished Iran would have nukes. You said Iran having nukes would be--and I quote you--"too...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    Yes, that's correct. I stated that the DOE and INR assessments that the tubes were unsuitable for use in a centrifuge were included in the NIE. And yet the administration repeatedly dismissed...
  35. Thread: Genocide

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    Sure. It also means one wishes it would happen. Comprende?

    You said you wish Iran would have nukes because "the best thing that could happen"--would be for Israel to be nuked, "turned into nothing...
  36. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    The logical corrolary to the statement that Iran obtaning nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" to Israel would be for it to be "turned into nothing more...
  37. Thread: Genocide

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    Dchristie,

    The fact of the matter is that you said that Iran developing nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" to Israel would be for it to be "turned into...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    Grim,

    Did Bush administration officials make statements unsupportable by an facts or evidence?

    YES

    Is that called "lying"?

    YES
  39. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    To say that Iran developing nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" to Israel would be for it to be "turned into nothing more than a burning cinder" is hardly...
  40. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    You are correct that Iran has not threatened Israel. You are also correct that Israel has threatened Iran. I myself have made that point repeatedly in various other threads. It's irrelevant to our...
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    Re: Will The Democratic Lies Ever Stop?

    Nobody from the CIA ever met Curveball.

    The only US intelligence person to meet Curveball was from the DOD, and he told the CIA there are "issue" with Curveball that "warrant further explanation"...
  42. Thread: Genocide

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    Well, that statement hardly reconciles with saying that Iran developing nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" to Israel would be for it to be "turned into...
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    Re: Israel has every right to exist!!!

    gools,

    To say that a nation has a "right to exist" is a meaningless statement.

    People have a right to self-determination. While rightfully demanding that that right be recognized for Israelis,...
  44. Thread: Genocide

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    Dchristie,

    The fact of the matter is that you said that the notion of Iran obtaining nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the best thing that could happen" would be for Israel to be...
  45. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    Yes, I specifically requested that you clarify whether you were, in fact, advocating the nuking of Israel by saying that the notion of Iran obtaining nukes would be "too good to be true" because "the...
  46. Thread: Genocide

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    Re: Genocide

    You made no indication in your post that your statement that "the best thing that could happen" would be for Israel to be "turned into nothing more than a burning cinder" was premised upon an Iranian...
  47. Thread: Genocide

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    False. In a conversation about the hypothetical of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, you said that the possibility of Iran acquiring nukes is "too good to be true" because "The best thing that could...
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    Re: Israel has every right to exist!!!

    1) Nobody has argued that "Palestine has the right to bomb Israel.

    2) Israel certainly has a right to defend itself. Palestinians share that same right.

    3) The land was TAKEN (or, rather, they...
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    Re: Israel has every right to exist!!!

    Your Biblical argument is a non sequitur.

    The fact is Israel, as a nation, is engaged in criminal and violent behavior for which there is no justification, either from a secular or religious point...
  50. Re: Why The Racist State Of Israel Has No Right To Exist

    gools68,

    You are incorrect. "They"--meaning the government of Iran--never said Israel should be "blown of the map".

    The fact is that Israel has threatened to bomb Iran. Iran, on the other hand,...
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