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    Re: Could God have forgiven Adam and Eve

    No. Lexx isn't gay. Lexx is Lexx. After a few shots of whiskey, his posts do start making sense :D
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    Re: Politics and religion dont mix

    So you never read the front part of your bible where it's commanded that you can't stand by and watch your fellow's blood be shed, or put stumbling blocks in front of the blind, or curse the deaf,...
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    Re: The creation of light

    I think we get into trouble whenever we start taking the bible as other than midrash.

    Though I'm still puzzled as to the fish with both scales and fins are the only kosher ones - I don't think...
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    Re: Could God have forgiven Adam and Eve

    Almost every commentary I've read (at least in Hebrew, and this includes the really old stuff) takes it as read that the snake was quite similar to human beings, at least until it got cursed - it...
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    Re: The creation of light

    No, not Hugh Ross. It's Gerald Schroeder - couldn't think of his name yesterday, sorry.
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    Re: The creation of light

    If I recall correctly (don't have my bible handy), God separated the light from the darkness in the Hebrew text - which might be a reference to decoupling (kinda stretching it, I think, but it's an...
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    Re: Could God have forgiven Adam and Eve

    Ah, but you see, there is noting in the story to indicate that the snake is Lucifer, Satan, the Devil or anything but a snake that God cursed to devolve (crawl on his belly, eat dust) because of his...
  8. Thread: Tarot

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    Re: Tarot

    Have you ever read Tomberg's Meditations on the Tarot? No extra-dimensional stuff, sorry, and he was a Catholic priest, but it's a fascinating work. I bring it up as he's one of the few (only, that I...
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    Re: what is progress

    I saw a post by Galaxy that was only one line long in this thread.

    That might be construed as progress...
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    Re: Could God have forgiven Adam and Eve

    I'm curious as to where a satan is referenced in the Adam and Eve story, or even all of Genesis.

    Can't find a word about a satan in my bible until the story of Bilaam and his ass in Numbers.
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  11. Thread: Tarot

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    Re: Tarot

    Paladine, I expect you and I come from very different places. But one thing I love about tarot is that it's a game. You can learn loads from it, but ultimately, it's a game. So (most) people don't...
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    Re: So. If god exists then, what religion was he?

    Much Judaism says God is the ultimate atheist (think about it). Then again, it's remarkably light on dogma. You do not need to believe in God to be a good Jew.

    How could God (assuming there is one...
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    Poll: Re: Galaxy banned for spamming the forum

    It would be nice if Galaxy wouldn't be so verbose. It would be bearable if he learnt what the word 'paragraphs' means, and took it to heart.

    Galaxy, dude, please learn about paragraphs, succinct...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    EK, I believe you're trolling. You may simply be grossly uneducated, so let's give you the benefit of the doubt here.

    The bible I read is in Hebrew. There are a few verses in Aramaic in Daniel and...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    ROFLMAO :D
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    And you are the authority on who and what is acceptable to God because....?
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    No, only a truly intolerant person who believes God scribbled a few verses in Greek that reverse everything in the Tanakh (and we won't even think of all the non-Abrahamic religions) would believe...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    I know how Jewish theology goes. Islam is pretty close but it may differ on this point - or it may not.

    For a Jew to believe that God has 'helpers' or other gods (we would consider a 'son god'...
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    First, you're taking that out of context.

    Second, do you know the difference between Psalms and Torah? Psalms are songs, poetry that was sung in the temple. And this one is talking about 'the...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    LOL. Job's comforters strike again.
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    You mean Christians worship Jesus instead of worshipping God?

    ETA: That wasn't meant for you, LM.
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    Nobody but the Christians use 'Jehovah' as a name for God. And I'm pretty sure nobody but the Christians think of Jesus as a god.

    So nope, Allah is not Jesus. The God of the Jews isn't Jesus,...
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    Ah, you mean it's the same as Jewish doctrine from the Torah. We too consider human beings to be people, and do not replace the word 'person' with the word 'sinner'.

    The idea of babies being...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    Would that be like saying because the Canaanites used the name 'El' that the entire Jewish bible is wrong? Cos that's the name God told Abraham to call him, too.

    And it's still in use.

    BTW,...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    I'm not shooting. As you said, you believe the Jewish bible is wrong - at least in part - and that certain translations of the NT are right. You reject the original documents on which most people...
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    Re: the harm of divination

    Galaxy, have you ever looked at the arrangement of the tribes around the mishkan in Numbers? Ever wonder why there were exactly 12 of them?

    Pure astrology. The Jews have always known that. It's...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    It's referring to Israel in messianic times, Lexx. That's how come the kings speaking in the passage are shocked.

    Who'd a-thunk it? in the vernacular.

    Either that, or God has to elevate God,...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    Do you see how you've just shot yourself in the foot here?
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    EK, you claim to have studied at a yeshiva. You claim also to have studied with a rabbi.

    One would assume if this were indeed the case, you would have picked up some idea of what Judaism is...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    I have no problems with Christians being Christians, you know that LM. I think the only person I've pulled the idolatry card on was Sugarloo - waking up and reading 40 pages of what the Devil does in...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    Thanks, LadyMod, but I want to check that one out. Many of these 'orthodox converts to Christianity' were raised as orthodox Presbyterians when you look into their backgrounds.

    I'd have suggested...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    Oy gevault. I'd ask why, but since we've had missionaries and holocaust deniers both this week (the nuts are out in force, apparently), I don't think I can take knowing why right now.

    It's okay...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    No, EK, I did not claim you do not know your religion. I claimed you do not know mine, which you have made stunningly clear time and again. 'Jews don't read the bible, rabbinical students only have...
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    Re: Let's get this straight once and for all.

    EK, you've already managed to insult the Jews, accuse us of not knowing our bible and spew all over us.

    Do you think you can leave the Muslims alone?

    Or is 'bible believing' some kind of...
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    Re: Christianity

    So as far as you're concerned, the Jewish bible is wrong. You could have simply said that and spared the insults. Because if this is the way you're responding, you know nothing of the Jewish faith,...
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    Re: Christianity

    Try either the MP3s at Tovia's site - free, you can download the lot of them here and he's got one about Zechariah solely, or another article at Messiah Truth -...
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    Re: Christianity

    Go read the article. Ben - son. Bar - purity.

    It's that simple.
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    Re: Christianity

    That's exactly how God talks about King David in the bible. All over the place.

    You can't use the 'bar' argument. Even assuming it is the only Aramaic word in psalms -and that makes no sense -...
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    Re: Christianity

    And King David was most definitely a Jewish messiah, albeit not a Christian one.

    That's who the psalm is talking about.
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    Re: Christianity

    The actual Hebrew reads: 'Worship in purity.'

    Not 'worship/kiss the son.'

    See what I mean about the biblical differences?
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    Re: Christianity

    Hi EK -

    I have no desire to reinvent the wheel, and you don't speak Hebrew. If you're interested in the differences in the English translation and the Hebrew, and the Christian and Jewish bibles...
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    Re: Christianity

    Leviticus 17 is an injunction not to eat blood, not a statement that blood atonement is essential to the forgiveness of sins. In Judaism, it's not, and never has been.

    In Christianity, it is.
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    Re: Christianity

    And according to the Tanakh, we are not all inherently evil. God would not create us so defectively.

    I believe these verses might also be found in your bible:

    Br 6-7



    There are more,...
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    Re: Christianity

    Christians often pull out Isaiah 53 of their bibles to prove Jesus was the messiah. Let me not start on the rife mistranslations there, books have been written already.

    Apparently none of the...
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    Re: Where was man formed ?

    Fizban, I do admire your search for strange stuff. Truly. But Elohim is one of those tricksy words in Hebrew. Even Moses gets referred to as an Elohim, or 'mighty one', as do several other characters...
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    Re: Tarot

    Nope.
    Tarok and Tarocchi. Still quite popular where I live.
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    Re: Tarot

    Crowley said that to throw people off track. If you're going to use the Atbash Cipher (which is what Gebelin and Mellet used to put the Hebrew letter assignment to the major arcana) and claim you got...
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    Re: Tarot

    Nah, they're not rubbish, they're just not anything to do with ancient Atlantis, Egypt, or gypsies.

    The first extant pack that we know of is the Visconti-Sforza - probably a wedding gift, with an...
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    Re: What . . . is . . . Science?

    Rashi says it's David, and given the name (El-hanan), I'm inclined to agree. There are some other sources on that, but they're mostly written in Hebrew and Aramaic.

    There might be an English...
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    Poll: Re: Do you know an atheist?

    In Jewish holy texts there is no hell. Yes, I know the Christians translated some to try to make it seem like we have one, but we don't in our own books. The whole 'afterlife' propostion is pretty...
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