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  1. Thread: Jesus and DNA

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    Re: Jesus and DNA

    Assuming Sarah was a beautiful blond, we also have the biblical statement that Isaac also was a child of God(Genesis 21:1-2). Cyrus H. Gordon points out in his book "Before The Bible"(Collins,...
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    Re: Will God Save Israel?

    First, there is no comand in the bible for men to build the kingdom of God on earth. Many orthodox Jews are opposed to the naton of israel for that very reason. God said he would build his own...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Cnance, since you listed Ephesians 1;13 as a "contradiction", let's look at the chapter:
    Verse 4: "according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Understanding what Paul wrote doesn't require divine knowledge.





    Simple and very basic logic, which anyone can see with a little thought. If God is all knowing, he would obviously know...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Read the whole damn chapter. Romans 8:29-30 says plainly that there is no way to choose such actions. Romans 9:7-22 shows that those born of spirit are those born just as Isaac was born(Galatians...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    And again you commit a logical mistake. If we live according to the spirit by choice, then we are making choices clearly defined that show what the "spirit" is. IOW, if I choose right from wrong, I...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Let's look at Romans 8:10-17:
    "And IF Christ be in you..." He never said "choose Christ, and he will be in you".

    Verse 11; "But IF, the spirit of him...."

    Now these verses are consistent...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Well, DUH. Of course it doesn;t exist. There are no churches you can join, no decisions you can make, that will do you any good.



    First, if you consider God, whatever he/she/it/they are, you...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Exactly.



    Okay, let's accept your POV. Paul is absolutely wrong. he contradicts himself, and christianity is a fraud. That would mean there's no point in following christianity in any form...
  10. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    What do see as an answer? It seems to me you're pointing out everything is screwed up, so where's your answers?

    "Imagine" as John Lennon sang. Okay, we have a perfect universe where there is...
  11. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    Of course. I thought we agreed, Goddidit.



    Yep, buit since you;re arguing the premises of an all knowing, omnipotent God, then all those lost will live again, which is biblical.



    God...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Again, vague and useless as an argument.

    Your point?



    Already explained. The promise to Abraham, which is covered in Romans 9 and shows clearly that those orn of "promise' to Abraham are...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    It is, always has been, from the biblical perspective.




    Yes, simply because the "wages of sin is death(Romans 6:23)" and all must pay that price. Let's assume that, upon "accepting...
  14. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    Who knows? Ransom? They get off on it?



    Since God already knew the outcome, it was no test. However, only by actual experience would Job see that he was flawed in his own self worth.


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  15. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    For Lord Jag's benefit, I'd like to expand on Job a bit. The most interesting flaw in human character is what the bible called self righteousness, but has later come to be known as Narcissism, which...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    That's quite simple. Since I cannot do any works to get me from "here" to "God", and if Jesus actually died to free me from the penalty of sin, then i am free of the penalty of sin. I believe Jesus...
  17. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    I never said that. That is Cnance's POV.


    Obviously, which is supported by Isaiah 45:7, and Amos 3:6.



    Of course, it could be no other way.
  18. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    You're arguing two different categories for a very simple reason: your example forces you to reduce human knowledge(the torturers) to God's knowledge, since you conclusion has accepted God's perfect...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    And as I pointed out, with clear scriptural references, there is no contradiction, which I can also do again.



    So what's the contradiction?
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    Re: Did my wife and i rush things too fast?

    Good stuff, Cnance. The big thing is to TALK, get counseling, and find out what you both can focus on for your mutual success.
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Actually they do, since you have ignored logic totally in regards to God's foreknowledge. You merely set aside logical arguments and say, "I dreamed this", when in fact even a dream must have some...
  22. Re: If bad things happen, does it mean God hates y

    I like the book of Job. It has deep insights. Job's problem, which neither he nor his friends could see, was his own sense of righteousness. He kept saying he didn't deserve what had happened, and to...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Good one. Cnance not only believes in dreams, but he places his dreams above basic logic and clings to contradictions, then claims he knows God as he "truly exists".

    Cnance, if your dream is...
  24. Thread: Paradise lost

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    Re: Paradise lost

    Cnance gets trapped in his own logic. If he maintains that god is all-knowing, then he would have been forced to state at the beginning that evolution was within God's foreknowledge. Instead, he...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    But what you "know' or what I know is subject to question.

    If God did not know Satan's intentions, then God had no control over the outcome of Satan's decision. He is not omniscient.

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    Re: How To Get To Heaven

    Precisely, but if God is playing our game, there is no reason why we cannot define the rules by which the game is played, yet we can't.

    The logical conclusion, then, is that God is operating...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    Then you disagree with a plain statement. God makes peace and creates evil. If he created it, then he is responsible for it. If he created Satan and gave Satan free will, then Satan can operate...
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    Re: How To Get To Heaven

    If God could do anything, he could create a rock too big to lift. But if he couldn't lift it, that would mean there are things he couldn't do.

    The question simplified is, can God do that which...
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    Re: Vengeful.. but slow to anger?

    In that type of discussion, you would have to include Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. The principle of cause and effect, seems to accept the idea that God is actually responsible for evil, because God...
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    Re: How To Get To Heaven

    Nice example of the syllogism, but the "IF" you propose is avery suspicious "if".

    A more practical application is that which was taught by Paul: if Jesus was actually the "Lord God", and he...
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    Re: How To Get To Heaven

    The assumption is that God is desperately trying to get us to believe something. Yet whatever we are supposed to believe has no proof.

    A person who did not believe that for which there is no...
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    Re: Statistics: Atheist Blindside

    Back in 1980, it occurred to me while I was studying viruses in college, that the virus itself acts as an "informer" of evolution. By "cutting and pasting" DNA across species, it acts to all for both...
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    Re: Beware of the Universal LIfe Church

    Given the choice of scams, I would pick ULC as the one to belong to.
  34. Thread: Is Satan real?

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    Re: Is Satan real?

    Yep, that's why neither church nor state is to be trusted.
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Exactly which brand of christianity would be correct? Even Mormonism isnt the only fringe christian faith. Take the JWs, the SDAs, and who knows how many more are springing up.

    The consensus...
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    Re: Beware of the Universal LIfe Church

    Unfortunately, that very exercise of charging money for the validation of such degrees borrows from the same process by which other churches seek to validate their own degrees.

    What human...
  37. Thread: Is Satan real?

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    Re: Is Satan real?

    Whether Satan exists or not is basically irrelevant. One thing we have discovered in the study of mathematics since Godel's time is that it is impossible to list all truth statements in a...
  38. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    I've thought about that in the studyt of law. two witnesses are required for any offence(Deut. 19:15) and both Jesus and Paul advocate it in Matthew 18 and 2 Corinthians 13.

    However, once you...
  39. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    Christianity, for the most part, comes from an amalgam of pagan ideas brought together under Constantine.

    I couldn;t tell anyone how it happened, nor can anyone else. What we CAN do is continue...
  40. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    The problem is, people cannot escape the confusion of their own ideas.
    As Paul points out in Romans 9:16-22, there is no decision procedure by which we can separate ourselves from 'the world"....
  41. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    So do I, but in factoring out certain apects, we still confront the limitations imposed by Godel. All such factoreing can only result in exactly the kind of splintering and speciation we see today.
    ...
  42. Thread: Paradise lost

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    Re: Paradise lost

    The Cambrian explosion can be generally explained within the concept of epigenetics.

    Since it is becoming increasingly accepted that evolution is driven by the "cutting and pasting" of viral DNA...
  43. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    Of course, "getting to heaven", as truthinquirer would tell you, is a false assumpton regarding the bible.

    Here is the problem involving the human mind: since consciousness cannot conceive...
  44. Re: The bible contradicts the idea of an immortal

    The basic problem is that a conscious mind cannot envision itself as ceasing to exist. It's easy, then, to simply imagine a religion in which consciousness doesn't end, or where an immortal soul...
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    Re: Beware of the Universal LIfe Church

    I got a Doctor of Divinity Degree long ago when they were cheap.

    As if so-caled legitimate christianity could offer any provable truths greater than the ULC. What a joke.
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    Re: This lady makes so much sense to me.

    Of course I've been over this several times, but to follow the teachings of Jesus is NOT to follow christianity.

    That should be evident from Jesus' simple teachings in Matthew 24. First he warns...
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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    The whole argument is valid only if you happen to accept the bible itself and the historical context it was written as authoritative.

    For those who don't, hell is a waste of discussion. For...
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    Re: Christians are lying about hell...

    You've done some studying. Very Good!
  49. Thread: The 2nd Coming

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    Poll: Re: The 2nd Coming

    I've talked to three people who claim to have a near death experience. One didn't believe in God, but the NDE changed his mind.

    Another didn't believe in God, and the NDE did nothing to change...
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    Re: Is the Bible the Word of God?

    The KJV is useful if you know what you're looking for.
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