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  1. Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    You forgot one. The recruiter.

    Can't blame MLM. that's just a business concept.

    We'll go with the person. Just a little bit. For not having enough sense to ask the right questions or do the...
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    Re: Ann Sieg

    If only a few people put huge effort into the business and make money and the rest lose money to their upline, doesn't that mean that most people are being misled about the opportunity and the effort...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Try this. There are backdoors to everything.

    en.m.wikipedia.org
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Perhaps you could research it yourself and bring back the various descriptions and definitions, rather than depending on people you consider your detractors to cherry pick their presentations for us.
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    Of course, not in all cases. But in most cases, the sponsor should have reviewed the candidate to see if they were suitable for the business opportunity and likely to proceed with it. If most...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    Why would most of them give up and take a loss if the person who sold them the business opportunity presented it properly and honestly?

    Seems to me that the only reason to give up is if they...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    In what way does that "artificially" bring down the average? They were sold on a business opportunity by someone who hoped they would join their downline, and should have vetted them as possible...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    Why not? They show the average overall success rate of people who fall for that particular MLM don't they?

    That certainly seems like something to me.
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    Re: Porter Stansberry Investment

    And this website is trying, in association with Stansberry and Associates, to provide another perspective that tries to mislead and misdirect people into thinking that the Stansberry lawsuit about...
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    Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

    If it is a brand new business, there would be no financials to show.

    For an MLM, this would only apply if the product(s) and the company were just starting out. For an existing MLM or other...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    If you bought the rights to, and arranged to build, a Blockbuster store, you are buying into a business. There is no difference in definition between that and the MLM scams that you are trying to...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    Ridiculous.

    Selling the right to distribute an existing product along with the right to do the the same to other people is selling an existing business. Pretending that it's not is an outright lie...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Really? Feel free to post corrections.

    Oh right, you can't, so the best you can do is try a bump.
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    You spend your time here trying to sell your MLM scam business opportunities. You are asked legitimate business questions like this, and you try to pretend they are something different in order to...
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    Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

    That is either delusional on your part, or incredibly stupid on their part.

    Any of the business owners cited should be asking for hard numbers as the first part of any price negotiations so they...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    It wasn't a personal question, even if you try to characterize it as one.

    It was a business question in reference to business statements you make. Refusing to answer illustrates that the MLM...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    Chris is implying that the numbers are wrong by asking the question. That is a common form of MLM deception and misdirection.

    And, if you or he don't have access to the numbers, why in the world...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    This is idiotic.

    In football, you rely on your teammates who are getting paid for their jobs to play with you and win a game.

    In a construction company, you pay others for their work and you...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    This makes it too easy!!

    Are you saying that over 10% of your downline makes money on the business opportunities that you sell them?

    There is an answer on one side or other of this question,...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Chris Doyle, I see that you have gone the silent route when it comes to answering a question, to prove that you are trying to sell people a scam.

    Quite telling.
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    Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

    Which legal and moral loopholes would you prefer be left open in MLM?

    If we were to close the ones about misdirection and deceptive practices, we would hardly ever hear a peep out of you again. If...
  22. Re: Skeptic and their influence on MLM and Alt/Med

    Maybe his doctor assumed he made it through freshman health class?

    Or that he was smarter than your MLM victims because he was able to successfully tie his own shoes?
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    So, as an experienced MLM mentor, please detail to us how you have been providing good advice to your downline and how most of them are making a decent living from the business opportunity you sold...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    Does MLM offer financial security to a large percentage of the people who buy into it? What percentage of your downline is having a financially secure week because of the MLM you sold them? As in,...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    Amway and other MLMs are the parent companies. They should take the responsibility and blame for the actions of all of their representatives. That's the way honorable companies who are concerned for...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    So, if your downline is trained well by you, their mentor, how come over 90% lose money on the business opportunities that you sell them?

    And why would you jump ship if you had previously joined...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    MLMs bring freedom from finances.
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    Re: Stiforp profits MLM

    And there are people who are dimwitted enough to fall for this sort of gibberish marketing?

    I suggest that all new MLM victims read the poem "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll just before they read...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    A non-MLM company such as Coca-Cola, or a car manufacturer, or a nationwide insurance company uses their own marketing materials and it's distributors don't get charged for individual brochures or...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    So, the success rate that is quoted by the franchisor McDonald's, that is commonly cited in MLM silliness, would also not include those who gave up on day one?

    Or is that a plainly idiotic...
  31. Re: Retail Sales in MLM..... Fact or Fiction?

    Is it expected that more than 5% of your downline would be able to be successful and net profitable in the MLMs you have participated in via personal sales? And 'expected' as in expected by the...
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    Re: MLM (Lack Of) Success Tidbits

    You'd have to ummm...."Tell the truth?".

    That would be a horrible sacrilege in the eyes of your fellow MLM worshippers, and not only would they shun you, but there might be even graver...
  33. Re: Retail Sales in MLM..... Fact or Fiction?

    It would be a breeze to set this up legally with a lawyer without either of you revealing your identity other than to the lawyer. Perhaps you should discuss this with D. Jack Smith. Even though he...
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    Re: Porter Stansberry Investment

    Really? Why does it have your "Stansberry and Associates" logo on the top, and a boatload of links with the glaring exception of the SEC lawsuit?

    For more information on the SEC case, please visit...
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    Re: MLM (Lack Of) Success Tidbits

    That is exactly what you said and the hard part about it is that you can't deny or edit things when other people quote your posts.

    Why should anyone believe you about your MLM nonsense, when you...
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    Re: Deceptive MLM Recruiting?

    If MLMers don't want liars selling their stuff, how did you manage to get in under the wire?
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    Re: No Negatives In MLM!

    If you came here for the political chat, why are there three advertising links in your signature?
  38. Re: Retail Sales in MLM..... Fact or Fiction?

    Yes, only 1% are successful and net profitable according to your own post #21 in this thread.

    http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=147022

    I sure wish you'd make up your mind...and get your stories...
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    Re: MLM (Lack Of) Success Tidbits

    So, you are admitting that only 1/10th of 1/10th, as in 1%, of the people you sell your MLM scam 'business opportunities' to are successful and net profitable.

    Why did we have to pester you for so...
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    Re: Deceptive MLM Recruiting?

    Deceptive MLM recruiting? Is there any other kind? Judging from the MLMers here, I would guess not.
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    Re: Is your MLM legal, or is it a pyramid?

    So, why wouldn't you take Joe's $50,000 away from him? That seems like free money to me. Unless you're lying of course, in which case it would be quite painful to you, not only financially, but your...
  42. Re: Retail Sales in MLM..... Fact or Fiction?

    Why would a retailer participate in an MLM? It would make sense if they were buying directly form the company, but paying multi-level commissions would only be a mistake that a retailer brand new to...
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    Re: Defending MLM - More Harm Than Good?

    Ummm. You are an MLM promoter, so you qualify as an MLM speaker. Just because you aren't on a stage with an acoustic microphone doesn't change that. There is still an audience in front of you.
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    Re: Is your MLM legal, or is it a pyramid?

    It would be pretty simple to arrange this challenge through a legal third party entity. I would guess Joe would be more than willing to go that route. That way the winner would automatically collect...
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    Re: How to FIX MLM?

    So you're saying that you really are the lying scuzzball that we think you are? Good of you to clear that up for us.
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    Re: Defending MLM - More Harm Than Good?

    Quite a big difference between a question and the person who asks it. If you were a speaker at an MLM convention, how would the conventioneers feel about you if you insisted on the identity of...
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    Re: Is your MLM legal, or is it a pyramid?

    I am not part of this challenge. It is been between you and Joe. You have been properly challenged, and so far you have been backpedaling faster than a circus clown on a unicycle.

    Keep in mind...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    And the fascinating thing is that you expect people with an IQ higher than their shoe size to believe this nonsense.
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    Re: Defending MLM - More Harm Than Good?

    If it, and you, are not deceitful, would you be willing to answer some direct questions with direct answers about the MLM business "opportunity" you are trying to sell? Including yes or no answers to...
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    Re: How to FIX MLM?

    #173 is my post showing organized detsils of your complete lie over a couple of your previous posts. The rest are all your own, and so simple to see through that maybe you should start a glassworks...
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