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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    I could agree with blaming the recruiter. My recruiter must have gone through a hundred painful experiences with other reps just like me, before he go to me. Yet he continued on, and pretended like...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    1. The EN website. It's literally a cookie cutter example of a typical affilaite scam site. Just flashy pictures of women and islands, and huge dollar sums scattered across all the pages to entice...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    Again, a smart person wouldn't think "Who do I blame for the failure?"

    A smart person thinks, "Since this almost alway results in failure, I'm going to do something else."

    Then there's what...
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    Re: Ann Sieg

    It's the same logic that goes into voting. No matter what people say, one vote doesn't make a difference. If YOU don't vote, it won't matter at all, ever. Not only is that proven by history, but it's...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    If you stay, all you do is waste more time an money. So it behooves everyone to just quit as soon as possible.
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Yes, any participation in a scam is still a scam. Whether or not you make money has nothing to do with whether or not this is a legitimate business opportunity. It also doesn't matter if YOU or I am...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    Honestly, why bother asking the reason why they fail to reach their goals? If you admit that most people fail and quit, then why in the world would you want to be in a business that requires you to...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    By your own words I am the perfect case study which represents the level of success most people who join MLM will acheive....which is none.

    That's the problem with taking the wrong side of a...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    Doyle, since we both know that you have been told repeatedly the exact circumstances of my MLM involvement, and since you choose to intentionally misrepresent that to further your own opinions, can...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    I've seen "affilaite systems" manipulated to the point that they were basically pyramid schemes. Sounds like this is what EN is doing to.

    I mean, what is an affiliate. Someone who "refers"...
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    Re: Income disclosures, and why they matter

    Interesting points being made. Just goes to show, whether it's $500/year on the low end or $18K/year on the high end, MLM is still not a very attractive business proposition. It's just not. And we...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Attempting to redefine "pyramid scheme" to fit your own agenda is not going to get you very far.

    The fact remains that Empower's own website SCREAMS scam! Promises of riches, pictures of...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Just for a minute, imagine if the rest of the world had the MLMr mentality.

    Say you're in court. They ask if you murdered the victim. You reply "Well, define murder..."

    Then whatever the...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Hey, that's what I got. But at least it's all mine, and it suits my needs perfectly.
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    There's no way to tell a witch unless you try to drown them. If they float, they are a witch. If they drown, they are innocent of the charge.

    Makes about as much sense as saying that you can't...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    Ok, so let's say I ask my mentor how much money he makes. He tells me $10k/mo. I'm like, wow, that's great! How much does the average rep make. And he's like "Less than $100/year".

    Let's say...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    Doyle is hilarious. He tries to get you to speak on behalf of 60 million people. But then when you ask him the same types of questions he says "Says ME!"

    He is a master of fallacious reasoning,...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    You don't need to know everyone in the world in order to know if they are lying or not. All you need to know is what company they represent, and if that company is a scam. If it is a scam, then there...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Can't. Wikipedia is shut down today. Bastards.
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    The person presenting the opportunity NEVER is honest. The reason: Because honesty would recquire you tell the person that they are not only buying WAY overpriced products, but that statistics say...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Fine. A pyramid scheme is a type of scam that involves recruiting victims with intent of getting them to recruit additional victims.

    You might be curious as to what a victim means in this...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    This is a prime example of MLM "spin". If I told you I was in MLM for two months and never acquired one customer or one rep, you would be inclined to say that I gave up without doing anything. The...
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    Re: Massive Growth in MLM

    My job is great because what I make now will be what I make in the future. My employer won't just decide to up and quit one day, thus cease paying me. I don't have to worry about making only $50 in...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    Ugh...I don't have to prove what a pyramid scheme is. I didn't invent the term, nor have invented actual pyramid scheme-based companies. You are the one on here talking about how this company Empower...
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    Re: Empower Network vs Pyramid Scheme Mindset

    This thread makes no sense. If it was a tirade against anti-MLMrs and opinions on pyramid schemes, then you don't need to mention a specific company. And if it was about this particular MLM called...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    I knew you'd like that Doyle!

    I also knew you'd hate the ending, lolz.
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    I don't know where this fits in to the discussion, but I've been wanting to throw you MLMrs a bone for a while now. And I mean this sincerely.

    First off, there is pretty much NOTHING of greater...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Everyone who disagrees with you is a hater. It doesn't even matter who YOU are, or who THEY are. It also doesn't matter what they think, as long as it is against your point of view. That makes them a...
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    Pharma has nothing to do with MLM.
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Even if all MLMs being scams were true, I couldn't possibly know that, since I am not intimately familiar with all MLM companies. No one is. To even ask someone that is to ask a rhetorical question...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Take your pick. Any will work.
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    Re: Anti-MLM Bigots?

    I wouldn't declare them illegal. I'd just impose sanctions which specifically targeted the areas the MLMrs are notorious for exploiting. That way they'd be compelled to try to run the same scams,...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Remember, if they succeed beyond thier wildest imagination, they worked hard for it and deserve it. If they only ended up making a couple hundred a month, it's because that's all they wanted. If they...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    Yea, it's MLMs masquerading as an employer, yet according to Doyle, these aren't scams. :drooling1:

    However, I must say those are some of the funniest (albeit sad) MLM nightmare stories. Classic...
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    Re: MLM Brings Financial Freedom?

    And most MLMs have awful products and an even worse reputation. What's that tell you about the industry as a whole?

    (examples of awful MLM products: Amway's grainy toothpaste. ACN's defunct...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    I see what you are saying, and I agree that Avon is different than most other MLMs, based on the little I know about them.

    Avon may actually be the best out of the lot, and the closest thing to a...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    My mentor was far from broke. I listened to his advice, as opposed to my broke friends who told me he was a scammer, yet he ended up being wrong and they were right.

    Once again, real life events...
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    Re: ATTN: MLM HATERS, What Should We Do?

    Put coolaid in a dixie cup and say "See how good that tastes! It'll make you lose weight too! What's your dream car?!"

    That's pretty much how "product sampling" in MLM works...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Pretend I'm a 22 y/o college kid living in my mom's basement. That's generally the default characterization of failed MLMrs around here.

    I'd also love to take that Avon brochure and take it to...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    I'm not telling you my age Chris Doyle. I'm flattered, but you're not my type.

    Dropping off a brochure and "hoping people buy" isn't exactly the measure of a successful MLM business.
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Yet if I called over my local Avon rep and set him loose in my living room, you're telling me that the crap he spews out of his mouth wouldn't be an embarassment to you, Avon, and the industry as a...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    That fact remains that you'd have to do an analysis of the company and it's products and pricing in order to pinpoint what is wrong with it and what makes it a scam.

    The truth is, the products...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    I assume they are, but admittidly I am not that familiar with this particular MLM. I assume that since they sell MLM style, they don't have a reasonably priced product line.
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Scammers aren't interested in my opinion.
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    I've answered this question many times here. It has to resort to "special marketing" because it would not be successful through any other means.

    Pepsi doesn't need to recruit people in living...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    And on that note.....

    (Chris Doyle gets to play by himself in the sandbox YET AGAIN...)
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    Except for the fact that there is no such thing as a rogue franchisee...
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    Not really, at all actually. A franchise is a lot more involved, and the penalties for committing crimes are more severe, financially and otherwise.
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    Re: Personal Responsibility?

    And what a perfect scapegoat. If the distributor does good for themselves, the MLM makes money. If the distributor breaks the law, the MLM can say he was a rogue distributor that they have no control...
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    Re: Why Does MLM Need To Be Defended?

    Out of curiousity, what do you actually make then?

    Or are you only capable of answering questions in a backwards sort of way that doesn't require you actually giving answers, but instead asking...
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