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  1. Thread: Masterbation

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    Re: Masterbation

    Apart from the drugs bit, which seemed completely off-topic, I agree with you.

    The bible doesn't.

    Like I said option 4 is the sanest for you, you're not going to give up your belief in gods...
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    Re: The Scam of Hypocritical Leftists

    Trolling for Jesus, how quaint.
  3. Thread: Masterbation

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    Re: Masterbation

    Sharky I believe the only time the bible mentions masturbation specifically is saying that Onid (some name like that anyhow) shouldn't spill his "seed" on the ground.

    So you have options:

    1....
  4. Re: Is there such a thing as a MLM that is not a s

    Hrm?

    No I meant its a bad analogy because it fails when applied to his own argument.

    I'm happy to go with the analogy that regular business is like going to the gym (making sales), following a...
  5. Re: Is there such a thing as a MLM that is not a s

    Sorry, let me clear it up. The analogy was bad because Tony wants to pretend like muscle gains are profits, in which case MLM would have to be gaining his muscle from other people's workouts.

    The...
  6. Re: Is there such a thing as a MLM that is not a s

    This wasn't posted by Tony Rush:



    Not that I think MLM is doomed to fail, just that I hate bad analogies.
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    Re: c-prime bracelet?

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/shonkys-the-award-that-no-company-wants-20101026-171ih.html

    But I guess this band didn't have the antennae/magnets/pressure beads/price tag so it...
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    Re: c-prime bracelet?

    No, people shouldn't start trying stuff because wasting $100 on random junk is not a smart financial move.

    Please no more anecdotal crap, noone cares whether you believe it works. You spent $100...
  9. Thread: Wela Slim Berry

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    Re: Slim Berry a scam?

    Sorry mate I actually wrote that up while you were posting, I agree with your questions/approach.
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    Re: CPrime - yet another magic ****** device

    Look there's a number of things wrong with your argument, but I'm just going to pick out one. If you start buying this expensive placebo, where do you stop? Will you start buying ridiculous unproven...
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    Re: CPrime - yet another magic ****** device

    How retarded, they've been selling this crap for sea sickness for years. They bump the price up to $100 and suddenly its flavour of the month.

    If you've bought this stop and think for a second,...
  12. Thread: Wela Slim Berry

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    Re: Slim Berry a scam?

    Lets look at the product: an acai berry juice that is purportedly awesome because it full of antioxidants. So if you want this thing to sell you're relying on the effectiveness of antioxidants.
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    Re: Does Picture of Fruit Imply Premium Juice?

    The beer looks hot because the c02 looks like steam. The stream is way too thick to be making such an even pour. Its gonna spill over the edge at that rate of pouring. The water line in the beer...
  14. Thread: One 24 ?

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    Re: One 24 ?

    Actually you're wrong. The want associated with handbags is pretty much related to the want related to material wealth. The new handbag or set of pumps promises to represent the image of having...
  15. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Re: Ethical MLM

    Yeah I could be attributing the benefits of internet sales to MLM when internet sales could work without overheads without the need for MLM at all.

    That said I don't think mass volumes are a...
  16. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Re: Ethical MLM

    Well that was dodgy as anything, pretty much the definition of spam.

    For the record I also think the majority of the supplements are clinically unproven and create expensive pee at best.

    I also...
  17. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Re: Ethical MLM

    I had another thought after rereading your questioning of my pasta/rice example. My intention was to use a product that had no real ethical complications unlike the non-clinically tested supplements...
  18. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Re: Ethical MLM

    Wasnt referring to you, in fact I think you're one of the few thats on topic.



    Pricing in this case is directly influenced by supply chain management. You needn't look further than WalMart to...
  19. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Re: Ethical MLM

    I think we're getting a little off track.

    What I mean is an MLM company that say sells your typical mass consumed products like say rice or pasta and has a market price that is competitive.

    Can...
  20. Thread: Ethical MLM

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    Ethical MLM

    I've seen a lot of bashing of MLM on this forum and it mostly rev0lves around the premium paid for supporting a referral based business and the nature of the products marketed (ie. non-clinically...
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    Re: MLM Income Disclosures

    To be fair I'd say the main point of comparison for chris' drink (Im guessing "crave") and red bull would have to be the caffeine -seeing as that is the active ingredient.

    They both contain 80mg...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Yes, do you think that this is a clear succession plan considering it ultimately ended in a vote?

    Also do you think Hyrum or Samuel Smith were a valid alternative to Brigham before they passed?
    ...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    I sure hope you read that definition. Any example you'd care to offer or have you joined the naked assertion team?
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    I'm going to go way too fast here and leave huge chunks of the greater picture out so feel free to call bullshit wherever there's a problem and I'l expand.

    The consistency of the arguments lisan23...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

    ;)
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Zeus isnt omnipotent. You've just demonstrably ignored the point.



    How bout instead of trying to call a popularity vote you actually address the arguments? So far all you've done is ignore...
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    Re: MLM Income Disclosures

    Funny I look at it a couple of ways. You could go out an buy and expensive polo shirt. Or you could go and buy a cheaper one for 1/10th the price. Now its your own value assumptions as to whether the...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Do you understand what an ontology is?

    Its like decapitating a human and saying that's a person! when its actually a headless person. People have heads. Zeus throws lightning. Its who he is...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Being a millionaire is not a part of your ontology, like say being born from your parents. Zeus throwing lightning bolts is a key part of his ontology, he is a lightning bolt throwing god. In fact...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    An attribute is something that is used to describe an object. In this case the object described is Zeus. Zeus' key attribute is throwing lightning, which is not possible. If something's defining...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Good because I was bit confused for a bit there!

    Anyhow its not a hole in my argument, but rather a hole in the ontology for that god, in this case Zeus. I used the existing and well established...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Sorry I assumed you were being facetious. Would you like me to address that argument for Zeus or was there a specific other god?
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if she posted something along those lines.
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    I provided you the means by which to gain your physical proof. If you lack the skills to use Google Earth or the money to travel to Mount Olympus and go mountain-climbing that is your problem, not...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    You got me, all hail Zeus, Zeus akbah.
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Okay so I have re-examined what I wrote and will continue along the lines that with some minor details I'm confident that what I wrote was accurate.

    You have asserted that I have a fundamental...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Okay then Zeus.

    Zeus does not exist, there is no home of the gods on mount Olympus or any mountain on earth.

    Lightning is created through an atmospheric discharge of electricity not from Zeus....
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Will have to come back to you on this one, but thanks for the time you've put into this reply. You're quite correct on Marks, I was thinking of Samuel Smith - I'm going to go back and read the...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Unfortunate because that would be easier. Does Zeus count?

    If you prefer Yahweh we can do him to, but I'd have to hold you to biblical literalism or some other fixed definition.
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    This one more than anything else: "Are you investigating to see if my beliefs have merit."



    This is a point of contention. Joseph Smith's son was too young to take over so it left a p.ower...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Nice extrapolation, because I make a typo I now have no expression skills, in the rational world we call this ad hominem. Oh and it's "you're from Australia". This is only time I’ll point this...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    In general I agree with you. You'll notice why I called out Elizabeth and not yourself, because we're calling out the same thing.

    For example Americanadian made some pretty bold assertions and you...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Which one?
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    You should be able to infer that from the remainder of the post.



    Then remain naive and stand by while others challenge beliefs that deserve to be ridiculed.



    If you believe all beliefs...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    I have some questions for you Elisabeth, hopefully you will find them also very interesting.

    Can you point out a value statement in your definition of persecution?

    Is persecution ever...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Sure.

    Elisabeth claims a few things. One she claims people on here are ignorant of her church. That's a pretty wide and far reaching assertion, perhaps she would like to narrow it down to...
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Thanks edited accordingly.
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    Re: Beck, not exactly "one of them"

    Who specifically are you referring to?

    Or was this merely you wearing persecution as a badge of honour? Lest we forget the Haun's mill massacre and all that.
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    Re: MLM Income Disclosures

    You're arguing the effects of selling a placebo effect. If these claims are justified they can supported by clinical double-blind trials for whatever your mysterious product is.

    You talk of...
  50. Thread: The 2nd Coming

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    Poll: Re: The 2nd Coming

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:34

    Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done....
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