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  • 07-22-2015, 12:15 AM
    lexx

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Must watch...inspiring...

    well ........it dont inspire me......about the time he started screaming i lost interest......:rotz::bah:ing1::yelcutelaughA:
  • 05-21-2015, 10:19 AM
    Gazza.

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    There is no way for us to know if God intervened or not. What would God do to stop them because humans have free will. The humans themselves would need to see the wrong and stop the evil behavior. Many believe this kind of evil act will be punished after death but then of course many believe if you repent you will be forgiven.
    Can or does God make you do certain things or all things?

    I am positive when horrible events happen in a persons life, many people have lost their faith because of the questions you have brought to light with your opinion that God, if real, would stop pedophile Priests from molesting children. Because he did not, you choose to believe there is no God. You put emphasis on the fact these are people of the highest order, in the Catholic church, committing the sin while doing God's work.

    I have no answer for why God doesn't stop all horrific events from harming people.
    Supposedly God does intervene by performing miracles and Catholics do believe in miracles and believe in Saints etc.

    My best answer for this would be, God let's a person sin but if the person repents he may be forgiven. God gives comfort and helps a person find peace after the person experiences a horrific event in their lives. God allows sin.

    If a person sins and feels no remorse then the person will be punished after death.

    Hopefully one of our members, who follows the Bible, can explain how they would understand why God didn't stop the Priest's from sexually molesting children. Why, when they are a man of God and considered special.
    It's not a question of intervention and it's not a matter of God preventing his priests from defiling children.

    It's a question of punishment. Not the punishment of the law but punishment from God.

    If these vile pigs who, under the guise of God loving protectors of the children of God, actually believed in God, they would never have even considered performing the disgusting acts they have on the innocent young people under their care.

    Their actions are irrefutable proof that they believe their God is a false God and, as such, does not exist.

    Especially in the hearts of the children who have been denied the normality of life afforded to those who have not fallen victim to the horrible and traumatic abuse of God's representatives.

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  • 05-20-2015, 08:34 PM
    Gazza.

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Gazza do you feel because they were working for the Catholic church God should have intervened? I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.
    No. I'm saying that God should have punished each and every one of them just as any protector of children would have.

    Also, I am not singling out the Catholic church. I would apply the same principle to ANY religion.

    Since the God, in this particular religion, has not punished these pigs for what they have done, I can only deduce that either this God condones and even encourages this behavior or he simply doesn't exist.

    I choose the latter.

    On the other hand, if I believed that God existed and knowing that he condones or encourages the carers of his people committing such indecent acts I would, most certainly, not follow him. If I did, what would that say about me?


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  • 05-20-2015, 08:18 PM
    Gazza.

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Read this article and the explanation saying most of the children molested by priests were of the age of 15 to 17.

    http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/the...dophile-priest


    -< PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania, MARCH 11, 2002 (Zenit.org).- Philip Jenkins, a Penn State University professor of history and religious studies, is author of "Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis" (Oxford University Press, 1996). He wrote this article for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, which published it March 3 under the headline "The Myth of the Pedophile Priest."


    This article seeks to downplay the seriousness of the issue.

    The despicable actions of just one person chosen by their God to be responsible the protection of his "flock" and the children within deserves nothing less than severe punishment, not merely being moved around so they can continue, un-checked, with their vile and disgusting predatory habits.

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    On an off-topic side note, I find it interesting that the author has made this statement and wonder, as an obvious Christian, if he would apply the same principle to the radical Islamists and Islam, in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by The above article
    No one can deny that Boston church authorities committed dreadful errors, but at the same time, the story is not quite the simple tale of good and evil that it sometime appears. Hard though it may be to believe right now, the "pedophile priest" scandal is nothing like as sinister as it has been painted -- or at least, it should not be used to launch blanket accusations against the Catholic Church as a whole.

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  • 05-20-2015, 05:47 PM
    ohein56

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Sounds more like a full blown pedophile grooming a child for more touches etc.
    They start out slow and work their way up to having sex with the child.
    Re:Dawkins,...for clarification...



    Further clarification from R.Dawkins via D.Packman

  • 05-20-2015, 04:09 PM
    Joecool44

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/rich..._lasting_harm/

    In a recent interview with the Times magazine, Richard Dawkins attempted to defend what he called “mild pedophilia,” which, he says, he personally experienced as a young child and does not believe causes “lasting harm.”

    Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts,” and that to condemn this “mild touching up” as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.
  • 05-20-2015, 03:52 PM
    ohein56

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Saw this and thought it'd fit nicely on this thread...

  • 05-20-2015, 02:48 PM
    ohein56

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Are these atrocities committed against the innocent all part of "gods plan"...?

    If so, How so? I'd love an explanation to that idea...

  • 05-20-2015, 02:35 PM
    noagenda

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    When I posted I wanted the facts about all of the Priests and their sex crimes, it's so I can better understand why a Priest would continue to do such a crime while being a Priest. My mind just can't grasp the reason. The Priest is going against so many things he should love and care about. I too wonder why the Priests belief in God would not have stopped him from doing these criminal acts against children.
    Why would a belief in God preclude one from committing any crime ? Why would a priesthood prevent one from doing it ? They are just human beings with no special powers. Why do teachers and coaches do the same thing ? If one has a perversion the worst thing you can do is to expose them to the very things that fuel it. That is not how to control it. Apparently its not curable. It's something that has to be suppressed. As extreme as it sounds perhaps voluntary castration should be an allowable alternative.
  • 05-20-2015, 01:41 PM
    tomInAustin

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    That's Ohein's problem. He often misrepresents by speaking in absolutes. He is however, openly stating he is intolerant against any organized religion, which would include helping the homeless and feeding the hungry.

    I agree that pedophiles hiding in the church need to be exposed and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But these incidents are the exception and not the norm.
    Guess again. It is very prevalent in the catholic church. So much so they keep secret files. How do we know? Because a dumbass priest in Philadelphia had a file cabinet marked secret files. LOL

    In fact, in Philly alone, there were 34 active priests, in that city alone, with active accusations of child molestation.
  • 05-20-2015, 01:39 PM
    tomInAustin

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by noagenda View Post
    Where do either of you get the idea I'm sticking up for organized religion ? I simply stated its in both camps not just in the Catholic faith. That's the problem that you and Gazza have. The belief in absolutes. I can take inspiration from the Bible. I am mature enough spiritually to determine my own path and don't need other people to direct it. Organized religion is not evil incarnate. I work with Habitat for Humanity. By your standards I shouldn't because it was founded by an evil Christian organization. Talk about intolerance.
    I'm going to have to agree with No A this time. He speaks of faith and defends the concept but I have never seen him stick up for corrupt religion.
  • 05-20-2015, 12:13 PM
    Joecool44

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by noagenda View Post
    Where do either of you get the idea I'm sticking up for organized religion ? I simply stated its in both camps not just in the Catholic faith. That's the problem that you and Gazza have. The belief in absolutes. I can take inspiration from the Bible. I am mature enough spiritually to determine my own path and don't need other people to direct it. Organized religion is not evil incarnate. I work with Habitat for Humanity. By your standards I shouldn't because it was founded by an evil Christian organization. Talk about intolerance.
    That's Ohein's problem. He often misrepresents by speaking in absolutes. He is however, openly stating he is intolerant against any organized religion, which would include helping the homeless and feeding the hungry.

    I agree that pedophiles hiding in the church need to be exposed and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But these incidents are the exception and not the norm.
  • 05-20-2015, 11:55 AM
    noagenda

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    And, noagenda's supposedly a deist, yet he's constantly sticking up for organized religion, and their holy books...?!

    Strange...
    Where do either of you get the idea I'm sticking up for organized religion ? I simply stated its in both camps not just in the Catholic faith. That's the problem that you and Gazza have. The belief in absolutes. I can take inspiration from the Bible. I am mature enough spiritually to determine my own path and don't need other people to direct it. Organized religion is not evil incarnate. I work with Habitat for Humanity. By your standards I shouldn't because it was founded by an evil Christian organization. Talk about intolerance.
  • 05-20-2015, 11:49 AM
    noagenda

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    Does it matter if these children are young or very young? They are still
    Just children.

    That these vile, disgusting creatures are immune to the wrath/judgement of their God is testimony to the fact that there is no God.

    If there was, these pigs would suffer unimaginable suffering. And yet they do not.


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    Where do you get the idea they are immune from judgement ? Where in any religion or denomination is it stated as such ? Religious leaders are not God and do not have the power of spiritual forgiveness. In this world they should spend their life in jail. If any religious official hides these atrocities they should also go to jail. If any organization does not put in appropriate measures to minimize the behavior they should be sued to extinction.
  • 05-20-2015, 11:42 AM
    ohein56

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    Thanks for pointing out that there are other believers in God who think it's ok to Fuck children.

    You lot have completely missed the point.

    No surprises there, though. After all, I would wager most of you believe in the same God which allows this disgusting behaviour.


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    And, noagenda's supposedly a deist, yet he's constantly sticking up for organized religion, and their holy books...?!

    Strange...
  • 05-20-2015, 07:51 AM
    Gazza.

    Re: Bless the Children for They Will Not Have the Protection Of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    I would like for the church to do a follow up on all of these Priests who molested children. How did this all happen and why? Pedophiles pray on very very young children. Many of the children who were molested by Priests don't fall into the very young category.

    I want to know if the teaching of the church, as far as Priests go, has anything to do with the sexual molesting of children. Does the no sex rule for Priests have anything to do with the molestation's? How many of these Priests are homosexual?
    Do the Priests feel a superiority that leaves them feeling no remorse for taking advantage of children? I have so many questions I would like answered.

    I want to know the psychological make up of these guys. I want to better understand why so many Priests have taken advantage of children and it was all about sex.


    I've heard other non believers tell me they don't believe in a God because if there were a God he would not let horrible things happen to children.

    We have parents who sexually molest their very own children, emotionally abuse them etc.
    Wonder if these Priests felt like a parent to these children and felt they had some kind of right to treat them in this criminal way?
    They must feel a superiority that they felt gave them a right to do these sexual acts to the children.
    Does it matter if these children are young or very young? They are still
    Just children.

    That these vile, disgusting creatures are immune to the wrath/judgement of their God is testimony to the fact that there is no God.

    If there was, these pigs would suffer unimaginable suffering. And yet they do not.


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