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  • 05-18-2008, 03:20 PM
    imarubber

    Shaolin/Ninjer Con

    “The primary item of significance in establishing the relationship between Konigun and Shaolin at the Dongchan temple was the placard shown above, which is mounted on the temple’s front entrance. It displays a warrior wielding a straight sword similar to the one used in Ninjutsu, as well as a sash being brandished as a weapon.

    (Woodford actually admits that he is, himself, creating a fraudulent, fictional link between Shaolin chuan fa and the farcical art created in the 1980s by bryce dallas.)

    (The ninja were not the first, or the only, people to use a straight-bladed sword in Japan. Japanese legend says that Amakuni, a gifted sword-maker, lived about 720 A.D. Prior to this time, Japanese swords were developed from copies of Chinese and Korean designs. They were straight, single or double-edged, and usually had two-handed grips. Amakuni is credited with developing the classically styled Japanese sword.)

    (The sash in the placard is obviously not being “brandished as a weapon”, but used as an artistic background filler. To learn the real reason why the Shaolin monks use a sash, check the following: ) http://www.chinashaolintemple.com/da...rticle_166.htm


    “It was also interesting to note the strength training equipment beside the dojo, echoing Shidoshi Bryce Dallas’s sound reasoning that strength training is an important element of developing one’s martial arts skills.

    (And yet pseudoshi engages in no physical exercise for himself.)

    “This account will focus on the similarities of weapons, stances, strikes, kicks, blocks, fluidity in movement, angles of movement, stealth, acrobatics, grapples, groundfighting, use of animal names, harmony of nature, dress, etc, between Konigun Ninjutsu and its great grandfather, Shaolin Kung Fu, which is regarded by many historians to be the first martial art, brought from India by Tat Moh, [sic] also known as Boddidharma [sic].

    (The lights are on, but nobody’s home. If Ta Mo brought a martial art with him from India, would this not be a good indication that kung fu is not the “first” martial art, but more likely kalaripayattu or vajramushti, two of the martial arts used extensively by the kshatriya (warrior) caste in India? In any case, there are several martial arts indigenous to China which pre-date Shaolin chuan fa. Do your research, puppet.)

    “Similar weapons used include the staff/cudgel, swords (straight and curved), sickle/kama, tonfa, chain, pen, fan, thrown missiles, pitchfork/sai, a weapon that was handed down from the Shaolin to the Yama Bushi [sic], Short stick or hanbo, 3 section staff, a straw hat used as a shield, the spear, the sash or belt, and the cane, just to name a few.

    (The origins of the Okinawan sai are unclear. There is limited evidence that the sai may have originally been used to hold the wheels of a cart in place, or it may have been used as an agricultural tool to plant rice. It is known to have been used in Malay as the chabang (also tjabang) and is thought to be derived from an Indian trident. It is pure assumption on Woodford’s part to claim that it passed from the Shaolin monks to the yamabushi. The same can be said for all the weapons and arts he mentions.)

    “The Yamabushi, from whom Konigun Ninja derived their training, are also said to have developed the naginata from the Chinese guan dao, a weapon with which the Shaolin still train extensively today.

    (The naginata was not developed by the yamabushi, but from the Buddhist sohei “monk warriors”. The sohei were similar to the yamabushi, yet there were significant differences also. The sohei organized themselves into armies while the yamabushi remained solitary mountain ascetics. The Naginata was used by the sohei during the Nara period, around 750 A.D. It is mentioned in the Kojiki in 712 C.E.)

    (The konigun ninjers derived their training from the cult founder - bryce dallas, who has never received any formal training from legitimate martial arts instructors and certainly not from any yamabushi.)


    “It was noted that, despite the similarity of the 3 section staff and techniques thereof employed by both arts, the use of the nunchaku was conspicuous by its absence.

    (The nunchaku is absent because it is an Okinawan karate implement and was therefore most likely never used by the Shaolin. There is no historical evidence that it was ever used by the ninja.)

    “Principle differences in stances of the two styles include lots of stances in Shaolin Kung Fu with the weight on a deeply bent rear leg, and the front leg kept forward and almost straight, and frequent shifts in direction of such stances. One could reasonably speculate that these stances were eliminated from Konigun Ninjutsu with the aim of further reducing the risk of injuries to the knees due to the development of more brutal, offensive military arts (Imagine getting that lead leg chopped off by a low blow from a swiftly swung katana, or getting it hooked from underneath by a sickle or kama)

    (There are no “stances” in authentic ninpo. The kamae are to be assumed only transitionally, not adopted and statically held. In comparing the pictured karate stance with Woodford‘s stance, it is obvious that konigun ninjerjitsu is derived from karate-based arts. It is also easy to see in comparing Hatsumi Sensei assuming an ichimonji no kamae posture and comparing this to the monk’s chuan fa stance that authentic ninpo has a much more clearly defined Chinese influence than does konigun.)
  • 03-11-2008, 04:21 PM
    imarubber

    Re: Shaolin/Ninjer Con

    (It is obvious that Mr. Woodford is trying VERY hard to suck up to Pseudoshi so that he can become a part of the Goon Squad as quickly as possible. It looks as if he is on the right path, too. His profile (as of December 2007) indicated that he was already an assistant instructor AS A YELLOW BELT!!! This is an obvious indicator that he is Pseudoshi dallas’ favorite sycophant in China.)

    “On the 8th and 12th of January, 2008, Shiroto Ellen and I, Monjin Trey, visited the South Shaolin temples of Quanzhou, Fujian, China in an truly historic event. In addition to making contributions to aid in the reconstruction of the main South Shaolin Temple (which was burned by decree of Emperor Qianlong, 4th emperor of the Qing dynasty, in 1763, and whose extensive reconstruction began on October 13, 1992, continuing into the present), we were also able to learn of many connections between konigun and Shaolin Kung Fu, hereinafter documented.
  • 03-10-2008, 12:30 PM
    ChrisN

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by imarubber View Post
    You have no way of knowing if someone views the thread briefly or reads the entire thing.

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Not that it's any of your business, but I have received comments and information from ex-cult members who wish to remain anonymous via PM as a result of this thread. I do this to help them, and respect their wishes.
    Sure they are.... Thats why there hasn't been a single other person on here to discuss your long spam.....

    Anyway Ill stop commenting so this thread can die unless you try to keep it up by yourself...
  • 03-10-2008, 11:15 AM
    imarubber

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    You have no way of knowing if someone views the thread briefly or reads the entire thing.

    Thank you for your opinion.

    Not that it's any of your business, but I have received comments and information from ex-cult members who wish to remain anonymous via PM as a result of this thread. I do this to help them, and respect their wishes.
  • 03-07-2008, 12:37 PM
    ChrisN

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Pageviews do not equal reading it.

    People come in and see it is one person with 90+ posts and then leave... Maybe there is a reason no one has a comment
  • 03-06-2008, 04:49 PM
    imarubber

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Hmmmm . . . 3,835 views. I think someone is reading it.
  • 03-06-2008, 09:47 AM
    ChrisN

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Do you think you could summerize a little? 92 of the last 93 posts over three pages were yours... Its great that you know how to cut and paste - but maybe someone would actually read this and it wouldn't get moved to the spam directory if you actually had a point.
  • 03-06-2008, 04:14 AM
    imarubber

    Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Snake Oil

    (These are some excerpts from the description for Randall Brown’s dvd on eBay: )

    “The Plains Indians (Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Pawnee) held off the entire U.S. military... despite being outnumbered 100-to-1, despite lacking any technology advantages.

    “In fighting skills, the lowliest Comanche warrior could wipe out an entire troop of "civilized" soldiers all on his lonesome.... he excelled at hand-to-hand fighting. Especially...

    "Single move kill tactics...

    "Jaw-dropping vicious strikes that cripple instantly...
    And moves that make it IMPOSSIBLE for another man to "capture" you or hold you down.

    “The fact is... you can just WATCH these moves... and suddenly be more dangerous than you ever imagined. Instantly.

    “What's so special about these skills? Well, for starters...
    You will learn how to quickly "break down" an attacker twice your size and weight... turning him into a pile of bleeding beef at your feet in a matter of seconds.

    "You will learn how to escape from having your hands tied... reverse a knife-to-your-throat situation (very nasty and bloody)... how to flip monster-sized attackers as easily as tossing a box of cereal across the room (breaking his back, and pulverizing his guts in the process)... and a dozen more easy moves that will shock and incapacitate ANY sized attacker.

    "And... you will learn astonishing "instant take out" moves you have NEVER SEEN BEFORE. Not anywhere. Not by anyone.

    “But you WILL (simply by watching this video package) "own" the most vicious fighting tactics and skills. Very quickly. And... it's going to happen so FAST your head will spin.

    “Are you scared? Some guys are — they're afraid to even watch a video like this.”

    (Does that sound like a Snake Oil salesman to you? Why is it that all of these “Fear No Man“ hucksters all sound the same?)

    (Here is the link to read the full description: )
    http://cgi.ebay.com/RANDALL-BROWN-In...QQcmdZViewItem

    (And now a link to read about a TRUE master of Lin Kuei: )
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Zer...rtal_Kombat%29
  • 03-01-2008, 07:12 AM
    imarubber

    Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Randall Brown

    (The following excerpts were taken from an e-mail sent to me by someone who trained with Randall Brown, creator of the Lin Kuei: )

    “One of the things about “Dr. Brown” is, he’s a Juko Kai guy..(his “Doctorate of Oriental Philosophy“, is from them. He also claims to be a Russian Sambo expert, to have traveled to Tibet and learned "Lung Gom" (Tibetan yoga-like training). He also claims to have traveled to Greece to study Pankration with 'toothless Greek warriors'. He also has a series of "native American' fighting arts on dvd ....it goes on. I have one of the Lin Guei books, and didn’t realize it at first, but some of the green and blue belt stuff I learned was pictured in the book. The weird thing is, the past couple of years, the dojo they teach out of, has been concentrating on kickboxing/mma stuff.”
  • 02-24-2008, 07:16 AM
    imarubber

    Shaolin/Ninjer Fraud - Lin Kuei

    “Some scholars also cite the Lin Kuei (Forest Ghosts- sometimes spelled Lin Gui, Lin Quai, or Lin Kwai) as forerunners to the Ninja. These early shadow warriors were primarily assassins. While historical evidence of the Lin Kuei is vague, the connection is still probably a reasonable supposition.

    (Supposition: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence (a guess) )

    (That’s right, folks. A beginner at the “art” of konigun, the student of a student of a fraud, has cited yet another fraud as a source to “prove” the legitimacy of his own attempt to commit fraud. It boggles the mind. Being a fraudulent art created by an American in the 1980s, no serious or legitimate scholar would cite them as an historical source.)
  • 02-21-2008, 04:12 AM
    imarubber

    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con - Koto Ryu and Bushido

    “It has also been suggested that a Chinese warrior by the name of Chang Busho founded the Koto Ryu Koppojutsu clan of Ninjutsu. One need only look at his name to recognize the connection between him & Bushido, the code of the warrior that governs the conduct of all ninja.

    (A Brief History of Koto Ryu Koppojutsu: The exact origin of this school is unknown, but the teachings of this ryu originated in China and were brought to Japan through Korea by a Chinese warrior, Chan Busho. It became systematized into a ryuha in 1542 and was founded by Sakagami Taro Kunishige. A Soke of Gyokko Ryu, Sogyokkan Ritsushi, became Soke of Koto Ryu and since then, the schools have been passed down together. However they continued to be taught separately with the Densho (secret scripts) being given separately also. Note that Koto ryu is not a school of ninjutsu. It is a samurai ryu which is encompassed in the 9 schools of the Bujinkan.)

    (Again, bushido was not a code that the ninja lived by. It was not even a code that the samurai lived by until codified by Inazo Nitobe (September 1, 1862 - October 15, 1933) in his book Bushido: The Soul of Japan, first published in 1900. The samurai lived by the orders given them by their daimyo. Each daimyo ordered his samurai to do as he saw fit. There was no code of bushido until the 20th century. In fact, Nitobe thought he had invented the word.)
  • 02-20-2008, 11:28 AM
    Jax74

    Re: konigun ninjer fraud

    Dude you have way way to much free time on your hands.
  • 02-20-2008, 04:30 AM
    imarubber

    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con (nection) - Part Two

    (The following attempt at revisionist history was posted on the konigun cult’s China-based website late in January 2008. It is filled with wild speculation, false assumptions and shaky comparisons between Chinese kung fu and Pseudoshi dallas’ fraudulent karate-based partial art created in the 1980s. It goes far beyond total idiocy. It was written by “monjin“ Trey Woodford, a yellow belt in the cult‘s rank system.)

    “Though Ninjutsu itself originated in Japan many of its techniques trace back to Ancient China. As many of the techniques were passed down in secret historical evidence is often sketchy (try finding records of classified US military operations in history books). It is painfully obvious that much of Ninjutsu, by the very virtue of its clandestine nature, would be shrouded in obscurity and lack of records/evidence.

    (It is this tradition of maintaining secrecy that makes ninjutsu the art of choice for frauds. They can always say - “Our art was passed down in secret for generations. That’s why you’ve never heard of it before.” Very convenient, and tailor-made for con men.)

    “There are many items, however, pointing to the link between Ninjutsu and China.

    “Konigun ninjutsu itself was adapted by Saija from his training by the Yamabushi priests some 800 years ago. It is fairly widely accepted that the Yamabushi derived many of their techniques from Chinese refugees subsequent to the fall of the T'sang [sic] Dynasty.

    (No evidence exists, of course, concerning the lineage of konigun ninjutsu or the saija family. konigun is not a Japanese word, nor is saija a Japanese family name. konigun “ninjutsu” can only trace its lineage back as far as its founder, bryce dallas.)
  • 02-18-2008, 06:13 PM
    imarubber

    The Shaolin/Ninjer Con (nection)

    (I thought this was appropriate as a preface; )
    From: http://www.bestjudo.com/article13.shtml

    Please Post YOUR least favorite martial arts titles and why!!****Below is My Opinion Only!****

    "China's Ninja Connection" by Lin Kuei. Another white guy taking a Chinese pen name in an attempt to pass of his six months of training in "Chinese Kenpo" as mastery in ninjutsu (see Christopher Hunter, Ashida Kim). Badly written and downright embarrassingly SILLY. Who publishes this stuff? Oh, Paladin again.…”
    M.C. Busman

    Idiot: a person of subnormal intelligence

    Stupid: 8) lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity

    Fraud: 1) deceit, trickery, a deception deliberately perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage

    Legal: 1) any act, expression, omission, or concealment calculated to deceive another to his or her disadvantage; specifically : a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact material to a transaction that is made with knowledge of its falsity or in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity and with the intent to deceive another and that is reasonably relied on by the other who is injured thereby

    Misrepresentation: an intentionally or sometimes negligently false representation made verbally, by conduct, or sometimes by nondisclosure or concealment and often for the purpose of deceiving, defrauding, or causing another to rely on it detrimentally

    Revisionist History: “In this idea, history as the world recognizes it is largely Euro-centric due to the European Imperial Colonization of nearly all the continents of the world in the 19th century. This is an indisputable fact, but it is also, unfortunately, biased in favor of the Europeans. Historians have noted this in recent times, and have begun to shift their focus towards those peoples, cultures, and ideals that were oppressed by the European culture to remove the Euro-centric bias from the textbooks of the world. While this is a noble cause, there have been those that take this a step further and begin to have a bias against the Europeans and their historical influence that directly led to our modern times. Having a bias towards, or in favor of any historical party is now considered Revisionist History, and by many accounts, is an unethical practice amongst Historians.

    “But having a bias is only one of the very basic definitions of Revisionist History. Revisionist History has an ambiguous definition and an even more ambiguous use in the confines of our modern society. The events of the past, it seems, has fallen sway to the personal preferences of those who interpret them. Revisionist Historians tend to have a goal-oriented reason for their research; other than the general informing of the public.”

    For a more detailed definition:
    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1503493

    Examples of revisionist history:
    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node...nist%20History
  • 02-16-2008, 10:28 AM
    imarubber

    konigun ninjer myths

    “After Takamatsu died, Hatsumi added Oh to his name. He took that word from Takamtsu's name. That made him Byakuryuoh, honorable white dragon. Until today he changed his warrior name a few more times, and is today known by his Bugo Hisamune (eternal seeker). Among other things, he also changed his name from Yoshiaki into Masaaki. That is a usual thing among martial art masters. Right before he died, Takamatsu Sensei passed tradition, way of life and direct inheritance of nine warrior traditions, to Hatsumi.

    (I think this is what chafes dallas so much. Hatsumi had an actual living master, under whom he trained and was devoted to, who thought enough of him and his abilities to pass on not just one, but 9 different martial traditions. dallas, on the other hand, invented a fictitious master (using the non-Japanese name “saija”), fabricated a false ninjutsu tradition (using a non-Japanese word) by blending styles of karate, and lives his life based on these deceptions.)

    “Masaaki Hatsumi became: 34th. Soke of Togakure ryu Ninpo 28th. Soke of Gyokko ryu Koshijutsu 28th. Soke of Kukishinden ryu Happo Hiken 26th. Soke of Shinden Fudo ryu Dakentaijutsu 21st. Soke of Gyokushin ryu Ninpo 18th. Soke of Koto ryu Koppojutsu 17th. Soke of Takagi Yoshin ryu Jutaijutsu 15th. Soke of Gikan ryu Koppojutsu 14th. Soke of Kumogakure ryu Ninpo and the only true Ninja of our time. At that time Hatsumi didn't feel capable enough, to show himself as Soke (grandmaster, direct successor) in public. Therefore he remained isolated with his students from inquisitive eyes. Even his neighbors didn't know, that he was successor of so old traditions.
    *Material taken from Quest”

    ninjutsu.com/soke-Hatsumi.shtml
    "Soke Hatsumi."

    (Bottom line: If you think bryce dallas, a quarter-ton redneck from Mississippi, is a true ninja master then, you probably deserve to have him as your ‘teacher’.)
  • 02-15-2008, 05:32 AM
    imarubber

    Hatsumi's Training

    "He learned about

    (That’s “learned about”, not “mastered”.)

    “Judo, Kendo, Aikido, Karate (Shito ryu and Zen_Bei Butokukai style), Okinavan Kobudo, Jukendo (fighting with gun and bayonet), Chinese Kempo and even western boxing. He achieved a master degree in almost every one of them, in Judo even 4 Dan and in Shito ryu Karate 6 Dan. Those were really high grades for someone at his age in that time. During his school ages he also played soccer in school team, which improved his kicking abilities. As a recognized Judo teacher, he was invited to teach soldier's in American military base. He thought, that there are a lot of things he could learn there, but he soon recognized, that taller and stronger Americans needed to put less time and effort to master certain techniques than Japanese would have to. What took Japanese years to master, took Americans only a few months. That made young Hatsumi sad, and therefore he decided, that he will seek out an art, which will not depend on a person's structure and physical power. He spent a lot of money searching for the art, he was looking for.
    He trained with many teachers,

    (That’s “trained with”, not “mastered art under”.)

    “but he hadn't found, what he wanted to see. At last he met an old Kobudo teacher Ueno Takashi. Takashi taught him about old Budo arts, such as Asayama Ichiden ryu, Shinto Tenshin ryu, Bokuden ryu, Takagi Yoshin ryu, Kukishinden ryu and Gyokushin ryu and after three years of training with him, Takashi gave Hatsumi Menkyo Kaiden (license, which states that the bearer has mastered a certain martial art “and is allowed to teach it). Hatsumi was also the leader of Takashi's group in Noda for some time. The group included some of later recognized teachers. Ueno Takashi was a student of Toshi-tsugu Takamatsu. That was the link, which guided Hatsumi into contact with the only living Ninja warrior left on the world. Takamatsu Sensei took him for his student. Hatsumi ceased to train with Takashi , which caused, that Hatsumi was given Hamon, which meant, that Menkyo Kaiden was no longer valid. That is how Hatsumi in his twenties started to train with a man, who later became inspiration of his life. For fifteen year's Hatsumi traveled each weekend several hours by train to the city of Kashiwabara, south of Kyoto and Nara, to learn from the greatest martial art's master, he had ever known. Hatsumi says, that the training with Takamatsu was unbelievable, and that Takamatsu showed perfect technique despite his age. The old tradition was, that every warrior had his own Bugo (warrior name) and that is how Takamatsu Sensei started to call Hatsumi Byakuryu which stands for white dragon.
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