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  • 06-05-2019, 05:16 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    There are a number of reasons for why Jesus became the son of God. My theory is it is because, after Jesus (God) was murdered, Christian movement leaders decided to make him the "son of God," it was compatible with what had happened with other religions. Read historical references to Jesus, you'll find my hypothesis supported. In the East we have pagan gods based on popular stories, interpretations, and tendencies to revere cultural icons, as well as popular stories reifying myths, or men of stature. It is a form of identification. Believing Jesus is human, and the son of God, people identify, and imagined themselves to be equal to Jesus, the son of God. So, one may imagine himself or herself to be a god. Regardless of how one regards Jesus, it is clear people want him to be a pagan god.

    Here is an exercise, study Christian religions and observe how much they refer to Jesus as the son of God versus Jesus as God. It is amazing, in reference to the Trinity, you'll find most people prefer Jesus as the son of God instead of God. As for the holy spirit, it has become the authoritative source to justify one's religious belief or opinion. We find in Old Testament scripture many references of the Lord God telling his chosen people not to worship pagan gods. It all began in heaven when Satan had the other angels surround him in a worship circle. Instead of loving them, Satan struck them with his mouth hurting them. Angels rejected Satan, and Satan was imprisoned in the universe. Throughout history, we have the same situation repeated again, and again. How about Catholic Saints? Aren't they pagan gods? If not, why are we expected to pray to them? Someone proposes a pagan god and expects others to worship it. Sometimes, religious leaders, proposing themselves to be holy, expect believers to revere them.
  • 06-05-2019, 04:11 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i'd call it a god QUESTIONER!? at least based on your SCRIPTURE denials and INTERPRETATIONS!? but then i dont expect you to UNDERSTAND that simple premise!? your here to INDOCTRINATE us into your NEW IDEAS!! all based around your dreams!!
    You lie. Explain why you don't hate God.

    It is a simple premise, If you hate God, I will not discuss. I post what I please, and I don't care if you like it or not!
  • 06-05-2019, 03:27 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    i'd call it a god QUESTIONER!? at least based on your SCRIPTURE denials and INTERPRETATIONS!? but then i dont expect you to UNDERSTAND that simple premise!? your here to INDOCTRINATE us into your NEW IDEAS!! all based around your dreams!!
  • 06-05-2019, 01:29 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i'm open to discus your THEORY by questioning your reasoning and logic!? i also have opinions based on MY PERSONAL and researched knowledge of the subject!
    Really! Read the Bible and then maybe we can discuss.

    There is no good reason for discussing religion with a Satanist (lexx). If you are a God hater, what is there to discuss?
  • 06-05-2019, 07:41 AM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    i'm open to discus your THEORY by questioning your reasoning and logic!? i also have opinions based on MY PERSONAL and researched knowledge of the subject!
  • 06-04-2019, 11:44 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    sorry your a LOUSY DEBATER and an ARROGANT ARSE!! just like tRUMP you WHINE and cry for MOMMY when the THOUGHT process fails you!! tRUMP has WISELY surmised you CONTROL PEOPLE with the right BALANCE of FEAR and PROMISES!! it certainly has WORKED on YOU!!
    lexx's only argument is I am wrong because it is all based on my dreams. It is just an excuse, he would disagree about anything posted on the religious forum, lexx is a Satanist!
  • 06-04-2019, 10:17 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    sorry your a LOUSY DEBATER and an ARROGANT ARSE!! just like tRUMP you WHINE and cry for MOMMY when the THOUGHT process fails you!! tRUMP has WISELY surmised you CONTROL PEOPLE with the right BALANCE of FEAR and PROMISES!! it certainly has WORKED on YOU!!
  • 06-04-2019, 11:05 AM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    when you CANT REASON or DEBATE you resort to BLAMING!! you LOVE/ADORE tRUMP cuz he plays the SAVE israel card for VOTES!!
    It is clear lexx is a Satanist, he hates Jews, "Israel" and all other believers. So Sad.
  • 06-03-2019, 05:28 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    when you CANT REASON or DEBATE you resort to BLAMING!! you LOVE/ADORE tRUMP cuz he plays the SAVE israel card for VOTES!!
  • 06-03-2019, 04:03 AM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    what is a JOO believer!? is it YOU!? if god came as a man he would be SUPERMAN!? i dont see any JOO'S doing anything SPECIAL in that regard!? when you gonna ADMIT you dont have a CLUE!!
    It is clear lexx is a Satanist, he hates Jews, and all other believers. So Sad.
  • 06-02-2019, 09:25 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    what is a JOO believer!? is it YOU!? if god came as a man he would be SUPERMAN!? i dont see any JOO'S doing anything SPECIAL in that regard!? when you gonna ADMIT you dont have a CLUE!!
  • 06-02-2019, 03:24 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    yah i get t now you've decided your a joo so yo have to make a NAME for yourself ATTACKING christianity!? you never were able to RECEIVE the holy spirit so it must be a LIE!?

    https://www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/t...old-testament/
    It is clear lexx is a Satanist, he hates Jews, and all other believers. So Sad.

    Again, there is no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament or in Jewish holy writings. In many respects, Christianity is a means by which people have maintained prejudices against Jews. Why would God take Judaism and revise it to eliminate original meanings? Satan has succeeded in assisting Christian leaders in replacing God's chosen people with Christians and his holy words with deceptive and unrelated meanings. Then, we have Islam, which is even more of an abomination for perverting God's holy words. It is interesting that Muslims primary adversary are Jews. Why would God's chosen people become the enemies of Islam? According to Revelation, Christians are the first beast and Islam is the second beast. God didn't change his mind about his chosen people, they are the Jews, and Israel is the land the Lord gave them. It is all written in the Old Testament. The New Testament contradicts God's holy words. Even more of a contradiction to God's holy words is the Koran which proclaims Allah to be God. The Lord's Old Testament Jews and Israel are surrounded by enemies. God didn't abandon his chosen people, the world has attacked, murdered, and persecuted them.
  • 06-01-2019, 11:54 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    yah i get t now you've decided your a joo so yo have to make a NAME for yourself ATTACKING christianity!? you never were able to RECEIVE the holy spirit so it must be a LIE!?

    https://www.thomasnelsonbibles.com/t...old-testament/
  • 06-01-2019, 10:44 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i mean its OBVIOUS what problem you have you failed to become a disciple of jesus the son of god so of course you then had to destroy him!! this is typical CHILDISH human behavior!! like tRUMP he FAILED to become the successful BUSINESS person so he got into POLITICS to DESTROY all those that oppose his WEALTH SCHEME's in ANY WAY!!
    Lexx lies and distorts. Trump was a successful businessman before he became President.

    I have never rejected Jesus. I have repeatedly stated Jesus was God, not the son of God, and, of course, I don't reject God. Lexx is either stupid or a deceiver, probably a little bit of both! Here is one of my postings about my beliefs.

    What if Jesus was God, and there is no son of God? If that is true, then God cameinto the world to give testimony to Jews (his chosen people). Also, God (Jesus)did not intend to start a new religion. God, doesn't micro-manage. Followers ofJesus came up with narrative stories that changed Jews perception of Jesus. Ifyou read those gospels written prior to the NT gospels you don't find thosenarrative stories (Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is tempted by the devil, Johnbaptizes Jesus, Jesus drives out devils, Jesus heals many, Jesus walks onwater, etc.). Apparently, those stories were added to gain support for theJesus movement. Here is an excellent source for those ideas, The Lost GospelQ by Burton L. Mack. I believe Revelation 11 about the two witnesses (God'sduality) is the best story about Jesus.

    Hey lexx read The Lost Gospel Q by Burton L. Mack. It is all about the gospel used by NT gospel authors as a source. Do you understand that?

  • 06-01-2019, 06:26 PM
    lexx

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    i mean its OBVIOUS what problem you have you failed to become a disciple of jesus the son of god so of course you then had to destroy him!! this is typical CHILDISH human behavior!! like tRUMP he FAILED to become the successful BUSINESS person so he got into POLITICS to DESTROY all those that oppose his WEALTH SCHEME's in ANY WAY!!
  • 05-31-2019, 11:11 PM
    Cnance

    Re: Jesus Hypotheses: Son of God or God?

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    You act like the old testament is NOT questionable!! Of course it is!! Like I said your on a 1 track CRUSADE against christianity!! Your as bad as ISIS!! Maybe you should join them!!
    As I said, personal attacks only make you look stupid. So, you pretend a lot about knowing something, but it is a lot of hot air. You know very little. Where are those "critical questions?" You called them "logical questions." Do you know what logical means? ha, ha,
    Your computer is malfunctioning or else you forgot how to read. ha. ha. So, assuming you have a short memory, here it is again. Read it and give us your critique or opinion.

    If there is no son of God, as I have maintained, much of the New Testament is in error. What happens to the gospels or Paul's writings without the son of God? What happens to hundreds of years of Christian theology? What happens to the many salvation stories without the son of God? The vast amount of damage caused by such an idea is immeasurable. But what if it is true? The problem with the question is there is no evidence. Everything about the Bible and Jesus is based on faith. However, we do know Jews exist and there is a nation of Israel. So, something must be going on with regard to Jews. Then, we have archaeological evidence for the existence of Jewish tribes and ancient lands occupied by God's chosen people.

    I believe God made Jews his chosen people, and God was the OT Messiah who became Jesus. From my dream revelations, I know Jesus was God, and there is no son of God. Furthermore, I know God is a duality, which may explain a lot of misunderstanding about Jesus in the New Testament.

    https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...Duality-of-God

    https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...is-a-pagan-god

    https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...False-theology!

    https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...-for-Salvation!


    So, if there is no son of God, how do you interpret the gospels and Paul's writings? If you try to unravel those NT books without the son of God, they fall apart. What remains is Judaism. My theory about what happened is God came into the world to "give testimony" to his chosen people. Then, after his death, or murder, Jesus movement leaders rewrote the whole story with a "marketing ploy." Would Christianity have been as successful without the son of God? Probably not! God didn't come into the world to start a new religion, he came into the world to "give testimony" to his chosen people. For an accurate story of the life of Jesus (God), read the book of Revelation, Chapter 11 about the two witnesses (duality of God), and Chapter 12 about Satan attacking God while he was in the world as Jesus. Apparently, John, the author of Revelation, believed Jesus was the son of God. However, if you factor out the idea of the son of God from Revelation, you find it to be an accurate story about Jews, God's chosen people, and world events. In Revelation, the "Lamb of God" are Jews, not Jesus, and the story is about their persecution. The book of Revelation may therefore be regarded as more relevant for Jews, or Judaism, than for Christianity.

    Some important meanings change in the book of Revelation when you factor out "the son of God." Assuming Jesus was not the son of God, Christianity becomes a pagan religion. I realized I am in hot water for proposing the idea of there being no son of God, but, if it is true, the book takes on a different meaning. As an example, if the first Beast of Revelation (Rev. 13) is Christianity. Then, in reference to "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast," (Rev. 13-3) we have the son of God as the wound in a "new world religion." Because there is no son of God, Christianity becomes a pagan religion. God's prosecuted people are Jews, and Christians and Muslims are two major world religions which have persecute them. In the context of new meanings, the second beast (Rev. 13:11) is Islam, and the mark of the beast (666) is Allah. Both Christians and Jews have persecuted God's chosen people. With new meanings for words, interpretations change. Subsequently, Revelation has an entirely different meaning than found in Christian theology.

    In my opinion, the reason why Christianity has become so appealing is because it brings God down to a human level. Humans want to identify with a religious leader, or with one they can identify with in order to feel compatible. If Jesus movement leaders had not changed meanings to make Jesus the son of God, there may not have been a new religion. And, assuming Jews didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah, then, there may have been little for Judaism to change. Jesus could have been regarded as a prophet. However, inasmuch as followers of Jesus wanted to overthrow their Roman overlords, they probably wouldn't have accepted Jesus as God unless he fulfilled an important need.

    God (Jesus) did not intend to start a new religion. God, doesn't micro-manage. People make freewill choices which may or may not agree with God's intentions. Followers of Jesus came up with narrative stories that changed Jews perception of Jesus. If you read gospels written prior to the NT gospels you don't find those narrative stories (Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is tempted by the devil, John baptizes Jesus, Jesus drives out devils, Jesus heals many, Jesus walks on water, etc.). Apparently, those stories were added for the Jesus movement to gain support. Here is an excellent source for origins of those ideas, The Lost Gospel Q by Burton L. Mack. Revelation 11 about the two witnesses (God's duality) is the most reliable story about Jesus.


    Again, there is no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament or in Jewish holy writings. In many respects, Christianity is a means by which people have maintained prejudices against Jews. Why would God take Judaism and revise it to eliminate original meanings? Satan has succeeded in assisting Christian leaders in replacing God's chosen people with Christians and his holy words with deceptive and unrelated meanings. Then, we have Islam, which is even more of an abomination for perverting God's holy words. It is interesting that Muslims primary adversary are Jews. Why would God's chosen people become the enemies of Islam? According to Revelation, Christians are the first beast and Islam is the second beast. God didn't change his mind about his chosen people, they are the Jews, and Israel is the land the Lord gave them. It is all written in the Old Testament. The New Testament contradicts God's holy words. Even more of a contradiction to God's holy words is the Koran which proclaims Allah to be God. The Lord's Old Testament Jews and Israel are surrounded by enemies. God didn't abandon his chosen people, the world has attacked, murdered, and persecuted them.

    Paul was dedicated to the idea of Jesus being the son of God. As an example, Paul begins Romans with a strong statement about the son of God.

    “Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospels of God --- the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descent of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 1: 1-4)

    The problem with Paul’s statement about Jesus “the son of God” is there are no references in the Old Testament as proposed. Where in the Old Testament do you find such a statement about the son of God? I have searched, and I have found nothing. One must not, in searching scripture, confuse literal with figurative interpretations. With figurative interpretations, almost any idea can be referenced depending on creative skills of the author. If you search for a literal interpretation to the son of God in the Old Testament, you find nothing! Moreover, in the Old Testament, you don't find confirmation for Paul's statement: "the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture regarding his Son." So, if we find no OT references, why should we believe what Paul wrote?
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