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  • 03-30-2006, 11:19 PM
    Dawud

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    I would suggest that anyone intersted in Muhammad buy a copy of Karen Armstrongs book "Muhammod" There is also another book about the Prophet by an author names Emmerric also titled "Muhammad" that is very good. Armstrongs book has more history references than the other, but both are excellent. Also, many people attempt to read the Koran and get lost very quickly. There are 2 reasons for this #1] Most people are used to reading the bible which starts out in genises and ends in revelations. [beginning of the world to the end of the world] But, the Koran is Not in chronological order, and is based more on themes and length of text. #2] Some of the stories in the Koran we in the West are familiar with: Moses, Jesus, Mary, Job, Lot, [25 people in total] ,plus events like the parting of the Red Sea or Jesus doing miracles are scattered throughout the Koran. But, there are many people, places, and events in the Koran which are of common knowledge in the middle east. And unknown in the west. Most of these stories deal with events surrounding the life of the Prophet. So basically what I am saying, go and buy a good book on the life of Muhammad. I think that you will be amazed at what you will find out. And it will help you get a clearer picture of the Koran, Islam, Muslims, the middle east, and the world political situation.
  • 03-12-2006, 08:50 AM
    lexx

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertol
    It would seem that no one has issue with me saying this...
    :eek:
    so if you KNOW of his true AFFLICTION,why do you HESITATE TO GO TO HIM and apply the CURE!?where are the words of the CHRIST most CLEAR!?for he who hears these words and DOES THEM is saved but he who hears these words and does them NOT is like a fool!?(i'm such a dickhead!?)THE BUCK STOPS HERE! SAYS THE LORD OF HOSTS!?what do you say!? OH!! WAIT!?)(self appointed)adjudicator of ALL!?hehe !!just askin!?
  • 03-09-2006, 09:45 PM
    coontie

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by umdkook
    came across a book about the Muslim faith, and right in the introduction it says that Muslims in fact do consider Jews and Christians to be fellow "people of the book".


    interesting...
    It may take a long time, but I think there is a reformation coming about in
    the religion of Islam, wherein, they are coming to realize that in order for
    them to live in harmony with the rest of humanity then they must respect
    the rights of others to believe as they choose.

    I also believe that this has been in process/progress with the Christians
    and Jews.

    Of course, it goes without saying that the fanatics, zealots, in ALL of
    these religions will never give up on their bigoted ideas, beliefs. So,
    as long as they are around in sufficient numbers they wil stir up trouble
    with the rest of humanity, which really just wants to get on withtheir
    lives and be left in peace!
  • 03-09-2006, 06:25 AM
    umdkook

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Worried_in_the_USA
    If what Lady Mod printed was true then they would not want to kill Jews. I hope she does not believe the crap she printed here.
    came across a book about the Muslim faith, and right in the introduction it says that Muslims in fact do consider Jews and Christians to be fellow "people of the book".


    interesting...
  • 03-09-2006, 04:19 AM
    coontie

    Re: Who is muhammad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertol
    I know he was a demon posessed pedophile... and that by his own writings.
    Ronald -

    As with others, this man has gained quite a reputation through the years.
    He emerged shorlty after the turn of the Millenium, in the middle East,
    in what today is know as Saudai Arabia.

    The people he was with, at Mecca, which was apparently his place of
    birth, literally, were practicing Pagans. He, for some unexplained reason,
    developed a dislike for what they were doing, or some other circumstance.
    I haven't seen anything that states specifically what his problem with what
    these people were doing was.

    Anyhow, he seems to have made somewhat of an annoyance of himself,
    as putting it in one term, for lack of something better or to avoid a
    lengthy dissertation on the subject.

    Anyhow, he was cast out of Mecca, very possibly on pain of death
    or at least, something like: 'if you don't get the Hell out of here we
    will beat you severely!'

    Anyhow, he went to Medina. There, so the story goes, was two
    warring factions. What they were warring over, other than the usual human
    miserable nature, was not clear, in one respect, in another, too much
    to expound upon here. These two factions may be today's Sunni and
    Shiite Muslims. I'm not sure exactly why these two present day factions
    cannot get along.

    Somehow, he became a mediator between these two factions and at least got them to set down and talk. Then, it seems (shortening the story
    again) he persuaded them to go to Mecca and overthrow the Pagans.
    He then established this as his own version of religion, which developed,
    emerged to become Islam.

    The large area that one see at Mecca where the crowds of people
    cicrumambulate around, was once the sacrificial area of the Pagans.
    Now it is considered a holy object for the Muslims.

    I've heard it stated that it is thought the object concealed by the
    large black-cloth shroud is the remains of a Meteorite.

    It wasn't until several hundred years after his death that he was elevated to
    Prophethood, as he is recognized today. Also, it wasn't until much later
    that the Quran (Koran) emerged. Most of it being taken from earlier oral
    tradition and then finally set down in the written word.

    This is pretty much how the Christian Bible developed, emerged, as well;
    many years oral tradition, then finally placed into writing.

    I am not implying that either the Bible or the Quran influenced the other.
    Although, Islam recognizes much of what the Christian Bible contains
    in what is termed the "Old Testament".

    Also, Islam recognizes Jesus Christ, but not in the same context as
    Christianity. Islam recognizes Christ as only a "ordianry prophet". Not
    the Messiah.

    They consider Muhammed as somewhat of an earthly incarnation of
    God. They consider that none other has or ever will walk the Earth
    in human form that is greater than Muhammed. He is typically referred
    to as "The Prophet" and they never say this without the expression:
    "blessed be his name".

    I'll try to get back with you with some more detailed material, later.

    Cheers!
  • 03-07-2006, 11:29 AM
    Quertol

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertol
    I know he was a demon posessed pedophile... and that by his own writings.
    It would seem that no one has issue with me saying this...
    :eek:
  • 02-23-2006, 06:50 PM
    Quertol

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    I know I spelled his name wrong. I tried doing a search on his name, but I got lost in way too much writing on the guy. Can anyone here concisely write in one paragraph, maybe 3 to 5 sentences, who this person was and what was his significance?

    - Ronald
    I know he was a demon posessed pedophile... and that by his own writings.
  • 02-23-2006, 06:49 PM
    Quertol

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Lucifer is still the most beautiful of angels. Have you ever known anyone to fall into ugly sin? All sin looks beautiful and right on the surface.

    Namaste'

    Lady Mod
    That is entirely a matter of opinion... beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
  • 02-18-2006, 08:08 PM
    coontie

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Lucifer is still the most beautiful of angels. Have you ever known anyone to fall into ugly sin? All sin looks beautiful and right on the surface.

    Namaste'

    Lady Mod

    Well, the paybacks are Hell? right. But yeah, sometimes beautiful, enticing.

    After al, it ALL started with the Woman and the Apple, supposedly.

    It took a few years to catch on to that analogy!

    How is it that no one ever mentions that Adam had (at least) two
    wives?

    The first, Lilith, supposedly desired to destroy her progeny. Today, there
    is stil some people that really believe that a infant's or young childs
    death is brought about through the hand of Lillith.

    Then there was Eve... Anybody else? Strange... if these two folks were
    REALLY our original ancestors, then there had to be a LOT of inbreeding,
    as in Incest going on.

    Interesting as well, and in most modern Bibles is elimated: "the Elohim
    saw that the daughters of Man were fair and came into them". Obvious
    what this implies. So, if this was supposedly at the "beginning" of our
    creation and Adam and Eve hadn't been created yet, who were "the
    Daughters of Man" and where did these obvious human males and
    females come from? Hmmmm! :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

    Anyhow, when and if you have time, an interesting series of books to
    read is Laurence Gardener's books. There are four or five he has written.
    Gives a different slant and new insight into who and what we really
    are.

    Anyway, at least interesting and different reading. Who REALLY knows? :rolleyes:
  • 02-15-2006, 07:24 PM
    sojustask

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie

    Also, that was a beautiful picture of Jesus and Lucifer. I suppose that
    you know that Lucifer was at one time deeemed "the morning star" and
    held the highest position in the host of Angels.
    Lucifer is still the most beautiful of angels. Have you ever known anyone to fall into ugly sin? All sin looks beautiful and right on the surface.

    Namaste'

    Lady Mod
  • 02-15-2006, 05:39 PM
    coontie

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    I finally get it. Okay. I'm sorry. Big confusion. You didn't bring up the pedophilia problem in the priest hood as an attack, but to point out that taking the oath of celibacy does not mean you are closer to God, but rather that fulfilling the oath does. Kind of like it's not what you do or say, but what's in your heart. Anyway, I sort of get it now, and sorry for the confusion.

    - Ronald

    That's true in any sense. It's called "being in the moment". otherwise
    walking the talk.

    Thanks for this thread. You've gotten a lot of attention, stimulated some
    people to obviously do so thinking, reflecting.

    Also, that was a beautiful picture of Jesus and Lucifer. I suppose that
    you know that Lucifer was at one time deeemed "the morning star" and
    held the highest position in the host of Angels.

    That was "before the fall" and the "war in heaven". Then Lucifer, now Satan,
    was cast out of heaven with his allied host of angels.

    Reason for the problem? Lucifer and his "host" hated human beings and
    wanted them destroyed.

    Interesting! Wonder whom we are REALLY talking about?
  • 02-15-2006, 12:03 AM
    sojustask

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    I finally get it. Okay. I'm sorry. Big confusion. You didn't bring up the pedophilia problem in the priest hood as an attack, but to point out that taking the oath of celibacy does not mean you are closer to God, but rather that fulfilling the oath does. Kind of like it's not what you do or say, but what's in your heart. Anyway, I sort of get it now, and sorry for the confusion.

    - Ronald
    Precisely. I pretty much figured you had not understood my meaning, at the time the thread was on the politics forum so I didn't want to take it off topic and explain my meaning more clearly. It simply was not that crucial to the thread as a whole.

    Namaste'

    Lady Mod
  • 02-14-2006, 11:49 PM
    Ronald

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Yes I did after I said I didn't understand what celebacy had to do with being a prophet or man of God. The point I was making about the priests is that they are considered men of God and celibate and yet a disturbing number of them turn out to be pedophiles, and that being celibate did not make you a man of God any more than being married made you less of a man of God. Up until then you had not clarified why you made that distinction and I am not a mind reader Ron. ;)
    I finally get it. Okay. I'm sorry. Big confusion. You didn't bring up the pedophilia problem in the priest hood as an attack, but to point out that taking the oath of celibacy does not mean you are closer to God, but rather that fulfilling the oath does. Kind of like it's not what you do or say, but what's in your heart. Anyway, I sort of get it now, and sorry for the confusion.

    - Ronald
  • 02-14-2006, 11:28 PM
    sojustask

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    If only she applied that same logic to priests.

    - Ronald

    I wasn't judging them, Ronald. Review my explanation above. I was using them as an example.

    Lady Mod
  • 02-14-2006, 11:24 PM
    sojustask

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    So I was talking about how Jesus made the sacrifice of being celibate while Muhamad had about a dozen wives, and then you thought it prompt to mention that there were many priests who were pedophiles. Makes sense
    Yes I did after I said I didn't understand what celebacy had to do with being a prophet or man of God. The point I was making about the priests is that they are considered men of God and celibate and yet a disturbing number of them turn out to be pedophiles, and that being celibate did not make you a man of God any more than being married made you less of a man of God. Up until then you had not clarified why you made that distinction and I am not a mind reader Ron. ;)

    By the way, Peter, the greatest Apostle was a married man, Jesus healed his mother-in-law. Mark 1: 29 - 39

    I made the comment sarcastically to demonstrate the absurdity of the implication of your comment: "a disturbing number of priests are pedophiles". So I joined you. If we're going to start putting up warning flags on people and making generalizations, lets keep going.
    I knew this, that was why I didn't bring it up. I wasn't making a generalization though, I just stated a proven fact.

    I saw a protester in the riots with a sign that said Muhamed was the greatest man who ever lived. These people claim to believe in Jesus. I just wanted to know by what logic they made that assertion, which is why I asked the question. I also asked the question because it seems important to know what with the next few wars coming up on the horizon (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc.)
    They believe Jesus was a prophet, they do not believe that he is the Son of God sent for salvation.


    Pfft. Jesus mentioned it as well. Wish I had my Bible with me. He encourages those with the gift of celibacy to stay unmarried.


    - Ronald
    I stand corrected Ronald, Jesus did make mention of it.

    The Internet can be a wonderful place: http://www.biblegateway.com

    Matthew 19:11-12?

    11) But he said to them, "Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.

    12) For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it."
    *****************************************
    Matthew 19: 12, He said the person who can accept this challenge of celibacy should accept it, but in verse 11, Jesus makes it clear that not everyone has been gifted by God with the ability to remain single.


    You do realize that people also use this verse to justify homosexuality don't you?

    Eunuchs who have been so from birth: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/contents.htm
  • 02-14-2006, 10:27 PM
    Ronald

    Re: Who is Mohamed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Ronald, you know darn well that the response to you about pedophiles was in context to your remark previous comparing an unmarried prophet to a married one.
    So I was talking about how Jesus made the sacrifice of being celibate while Muhamad had about a dozen wives, and then you thought it prompt to mention that there were many priests who were pedophiles. Makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Furthermore, your taking the pedophilia remark and then applying it to the Internet in general still had nothing to do with the topic of the thread, which by the way is why it was overlooked by myself and ignored.
    I made the comment sarcastically to demonstrate the absurdity of the implication of your comment: "a disturbing number of priests are pedophiles". So I joined you. If we're going to start putting up warning flags on people and making generalizations, lets keep going.

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    You asked to know who Muhammed was, I supplied the information. Jesus history and significance is not what is being fought over in the middle east, it did not apply to your original question.
    I saw a protester in the riots with a sign that said Muhamed was the greatest man who ever lived. These people claim to believe in Jesus. I just wanted to know by what logic they made that assertion, which is why I asked the question. I also asked the question because it seems important to know what with the next few wars coming up on the horizon (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc.)

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    If you want to teach what Jesus did this is the proper forum to do it in. I told you I would leave the thread alone until I had a complaint. I did. The complaint just happened to not be about the particular post we agreed on, I can't help that.
    That is fair. I know it's tough being a moderator, and you've got to keep people happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Furthermore, it was Paul that taught about remaining celebate, not Jesus.
    Pfft. Jesus mentioned it as well. Wish I had my Bible with me. He encourages those with the gift of celibacy to stay unmarried.


    - Ronald
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