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  • 04-14-2014, 03:41 PM
    tomInAustin

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    You have it backwards. It is the Homos who have gone on OFFENSE. It is their goal to neutralize Christianity. It is they who want to destroy businesses that "offend" them.

    Why cant they just mind their own damn business. Do they know they are literally the 1% Who gives them all this power to destroy?



    you should read this

  • 04-14-2014, 01:30 PM
    tomInAustin

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by ohiotom76 View Post
    Homosexuality has been observed in almost every other species know to mankind. There is nothing "unnatural" about it. Human beings have a wide spectrum of gender identity and sexual orientations, such is life, get over it. Arguing that people who are homosexual are not allowed to engage in homosexual relationships because they are a minority relative to heterosexuals in our population is like arguing that redheads should dye their hair brown and not live openly as redheads because they too are a minority and rarity in our population.

    It also makes perfect sense for something such as homosexuality to exist as the OP noted, what's to say that perhaps biologically there are increases or decreases in the percentage of homosexuals within a population as a natural response to overpopulation?

    I'm also sick of hearing so called Christians whining about how they are now "victims" as we enter into a new era of civil rights that no longer tolerates hatred towards LGBT.
    Great post Tom, It's not my cup of tea and personally I don't get it. I like girls, well because Squishy.




    Lots more here...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=i+li...uishy&tbm=isch

    But that's not up to me and it's none of my business if boys like boys or girls like girls. I greaw up in a very narrow minded community, gays, blacks, browns and anybody that was not a white christian was harassed. I was always confused why the adults hated other people like that. We had a neighbor across the street that always wanted to play Barbies with my sister. Well believe me people. No male in 1960's small town Texas ever woke up one day and said, "you know, I should play with dolls". Just like no hetero male ever woke up one day and said.. "you know what I'd like in my butt"...

    Gays were born gay and that means if you believe god created everything then he made gays, Get over it.

    But...

    One of the powers that religion has always held is the ability to make followers feel superior to everyone else. In order to do that they need a target. These days gays and Muslims seem to be the target of Christians, everyone is the target of Muslims etc. When you have weak minded people like Conserve and Knoticle and they're told they're better than everyone else then you end up with oppression. It has happened over and over across time. Little men with no power or authority crave that attention. The inquisition was a great example. Little men like Conserve making up stories about witches, ghosts and heretics for a pat on the head.

    It will be a god-send (pun intended) when religion dies out and leaves us all alone. I bet there are a lot of alter boys who wish they didn't have to go to church.


    This man said it better than I can.


    Don Henley – Little Tin God

    A new age is dawning
    On fewer than expected
    Business as Usual
    That's how the headline read
    Some shaky modern saviors
    Have now been resurrected
    In all this excitement
    You may have been misled


    People want a miracle
    They say Oh Lord, can't you see us?
    We're tryin' to make a livin' down here
    And keep the children fed
    But, from little dark motel rooms
    To Six Flags over Jesus
    How are the mighty fallen
    So the Bible said


    You don't have to pray to a little tin god
    Step out of the way for a little tin god
    You might fear the reaper, fear the rod
    But you never have to get down on your knees
    You don't have to holler, please, please
    No, you never have to get down on your knees
    For a little tin god


    The cowboy's name was Jingo
    And he heard that there was trouble
    So in a blaze of glory
    He rode out of the west
    No one was ever certain
    What it was that he was sayin'
    But they loved it when he told them
    They were better than the rest



    But you don't have to pray to a little tin god
    Step out of the way for a little tin god
    You might hate the system, hate the job
    But you never have to get down on your knees
    You don't have to holler, please, please
    No, you never have to get down on your knees
    For a little tin god


    Throw down a rope from heaven
    And lead the flock to water
    The man in the middle would have you think
    That you have no other choice
    But to wander in the wilderness
    Of all the upturned faces
    If you stop and listen long enough
    You will hear your own small voice


    But you don't have to pray to a little tin god
    Step out of the way for a little tin god
    You might fear the reaper, fear the rod
    But you never have to get down on your knees
    You don't have to holler, please, please
    No, you never have to get down on your knees
    Never have to holler, please, please
    You never have to get down on your knees
    You never have to holler, please, please
    You never have to get down on your knees
    For a little tin god
  • 04-14-2014, 11:17 AM
    tomInAustin

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    That's not what you're doing. You throw out "inconsistencies" that make the rounds of the the God-Haters. Some of us have dealt with MANY. I, myself have cleared up 3 that I remember. You then ignore the explanation as though you never received it and throw out another. I decided that if you can't see that the fact that you're in error in those, there's no point in playing this game with you.

    Right, like when I asked you about being a bigot. Your war against "Homos"? Do you hate black and brown people as much as you do homos? Are you as paranoid about them like my mom was? She she talked about black people like you do about Gays. The conspiracy to make us all accept them?


    Some people just want to argue and not learn. You approach the Scriptures with a closed mind. Until you change, your "beliefs" never will.
    LOL, closed mind indeed. I ask you to submit one shred of verifiable evidence of god and I am willing to look at it. You can only see your limited view. I studied science. Did you?
  • 04-14-2014, 02:02 AM
    ohiotom76

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Homosexuality has been observed in almost every other species know to mankind. There is nothing "unnatural" about it. Human beings have a wide spectrum of gender identity and sexual orientations, such is life, get over it. Arguing that people who are homosexual are not allowed to engage in homosexual relationships because they are a minority relative to heterosexuals in our population is like arguing that redheads should dye their hair brown and not live openly as redheads because they too are a minority and rarity in our population.

    It also makes perfect sense for something such as homosexuality to exist as the OP noted, what's to say that perhaps biologically there are increases or decreases in the percentage of homosexuals within a population as a natural response to overpopulation?

    I'm also sick of hearing so called Christians whining about how they are now "victims" as we enter into a new era of civil rights that no longer tolerates hatred towards LGBT.
  • 04-13-2014, 07:01 PM
    bibleman

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky View Post
    Now, I may not be agreeing with them, but surely if days were just SUPER long, then that would make sense, no?

    So in essence, God is just an alien, since different planets have different lengths of days.


    Oh, crap!!! You mean this WHOLE time, I've been thinking we were talking about God creating this earth and the things in it and on it within the constraints/confines of time as defined on EARTH, when in reality, the bible was referring to Mars or Jupiter or Uranus??????????

    MAN, do I feel dumb! :nervouss:
  • 04-13-2014, 04:18 PM
    Rusky

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleman View Post
    Poor reasoning. Christians try to use that to claim their faith in creation and evolution.........BUT, when the bible says that "the evening and the morning were the first day" and so forth, it kinda throws that out the window, right?
    Now, I may not be agreeing with them, but surely if days were just SUPER long, then that would make sense, no?

    So in essence, God is just an alien, since different planets have different lengths of days.
  • 04-13-2014, 02:18 PM
    ohein56

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    Okay just for you, I watched from minute 23 to 26.
    So, you watched 3-4 minutes, of a 1+ hour video, you cherry picked one idea, so you can find something 'wrong' and you elaborate on that....

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    He doesn't understand the difference between God's FOUNDATIONAL Law (like the Ten Commandments) and hte Mosiac law rules and regulations for the priesthood etc.
    What?! Is that what he was quoting, wrongly?! OMG!!


    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    The Foundational Law is for ALL of Man including the one that most professing Christians are in rebellion against -- the Sabbath.

    These Laws apply to ALL Mankind -- even nonbelievers:

    You shall not murder
    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
    You shall not have any gods besides me
    You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain (which is why I take Allah's name in vain)
    Honor your father and mother
    You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman
    You shall not eat any unclean thing
    Where are those "laws", that apply to ALL men found?

    Also, what is "unclean" food? Any ideas? And if one does break any of these "laws" or especially eats something "unclean", what's the punishment? Death/burn forever?

    Stupid bible laws??...Click Here!

    More absurd bible 'rules' here!

    Isn't charging interest on money loaned sinful as well?


    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    Here are a few who WON'T enter the Kingdom. Why make excuses? In the end, God is God. He says don't do these things. Both the OT & the New tell you the same thing. Just behave and live good decent lives. Your Father is watching and judging.
    "He", as in god, didn't say those things. Some man/men said 'he' said them, then put their man made thoughts together in a book, called the bible...and you believe 'he' said it, I don't.

    Sorry.

    Enjoy your living in fear though.

    Glad you didn't watch the entire video, wouldn't want to challenge your biblical bias against "homos".

    Can't have that.
  • 04-13-2014, 12:20 PM
    lexx

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    Okay just for you, I watched from minute 23 to 26.

    He doesn't understand the difference between God's FOUNDATIONAL Law (like the Ten Commandments) and hte Mosiac law rules and regulations for the priesthood etc.

    The Foundational Law is for ALL of Man including the one that most professing Christians are in rebellion against -- the Sabbath.

    These Laws apply to ALL Mankind -- even nonbelievers:

    You shall not murder
    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
    You shall not have any gods besides me
    You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain (which is why I take Allah's name in vain)
    Honor your father and mother
    You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman
    You shall not eat any unclean thing


    Here are a few who WON'T enter the Kingdom. Why make excuses? In the end, God is God. He says don't do these things. Both the OT & the New tell you the same thing. Just behave and live good decent lives. Your Father is watching and judging.
    OH SHEESH!? has your CULT gone and WRE WRIT the 10 commandments!? isn't that a REQUIREMENT of a CULT!? to RE-DO everything to make it seem SPECIAL and TRUE!? appealing to those that are just TIRED/BORED of the SAME 'OL stuff!? :bah: :crazy1: : :spin2:
  • 04-12-2014, 05:56 PM
    conserv4ever

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by tomInAustin View Post
    I agree with that. I did read the thread where Doyle showed himself to be a racist. He plead ignorance but it didn't fly. He displays the traits of the fanatic but so do you.

    And yes I am on the side of the truth or the truth as can be proved. That's why I continue to ask for any proof of a god. Just like I asked for proof in MLM arguments. Sadly, trying to debate you, Conserve, and Knot on religion is as futile as trying to debate Doyle on MLM. Every time I have offered up legitimate questions or points they are ignored.
    That's not what you're doing. You throw out "inconsistencies" that make the rounds of the the God-Haters. Some of us have dealt with MANY. I, myself have cleared up 3 that I remember. You then ignore the explanation as though you never received it and throw out another. I decided that if you can't see that the fact that you're in error in those, there's no point in playing this game with you. Some people just want to argue and not learn. You approach the Scriptures with a closed mind. Until you change, your "beliefs" never will.
  • 04-12-2014, 05:45 PM
    conserv4ever

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    And why do n't you just embed the video? I'll do it for you:

  • 04-12-2014, 05:43 PM
    conserv4ever

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    I'll ask AGAIN...

    For all of the believers that have 'issues' with gays on this thread, ...a challenge.

    I challenge you to watch this video and give your honest opinion.

    Click Here!

    From the link...
    Okay just for you, I watched from minute 23 to 26.

    He doesn't understand the difference between God's FOUNDATIONAL Law (like the Ten Commandments) and hte Mosiac law rules and regulations for the priesthood etc.

    The Foundational Law is for ALL of Man including the one that most professing Christians are in rebellion against -- the Sabbath.

    These Laws apply to ALL Mankind -- even nonbelievers:

    You shall not murder
    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
    You shall not have any gods besides me
    You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain (which is why I take Allah's name in vain)
    Honor your father and mother
    You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman
    You shall not eat any unclean thing


    Here are a few who WON'T enter the Kingdom. Why make excuses? In the end, God is God. He says don't do these things. Both the OT & the New tell you the same thing. Just behave and live good decent lives. Your Father is watching and judging.

    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
  • 04-12-2014, 05:26 PM
    conserv4ever

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Does anyone here know how God measures days? It might not be days as we humans know it.

    Yes. He measures them the same way all sane people do. 24 hours. At least once, Jesus refered to the "day" as the 12 hour period of daylight, but then He included the Night portion.

    Don't be confused. Gen 1 vs 1 & 2 are talking about VASTLY different periods of time

    In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth That could have happened ANY time in the past.

    Now, MUCH later, after Satan and a third of the angels went to war against God, we read:

    And the earth BECAME without form and void

    And then, after this event, God began the 7 day process of making the earth ready for modern Man -- Man with the Spirit of Man which sets him apart from the other animals
  • 04-12-2014, 05:18 PM
    conserv4ever

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    I would like to, but 24 + minutes???

    Sorry, but I already know what He says about homosexuality and killing your own child. Don't need to waste 24 minutes of my life. Give me the VERY short version

    Edit: Just went there 1 hour and 17 minutes? Really? No thanks.
  • 04-12-2014, 10:46 AM
    ohein56

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    I'll ask AGAIN...

    For all of the believers that have 'issues' with gays on this thread, ...a challenge.

    I challenge you to watch this video and give your honest opinion.

    Click Here!

    From the link...

    At 9:05, he pulls at the heartstrings of anyone who has them. At 24:12, he demolishes all arguments based on Leviticus, and he explains something you'll never forget about Old Testament "abominations" at 29:12. At 35:37, he unpacks the thorniest New Testament passage, burying the "unnatural" argument once and for all at 47:06.
  • 04-12-2014, 04:40 AM
    ohein56

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleman View Post
    Poor reasoning. Christians try to use that to claim their faith in creation and evolution.........BUT, when the bible says that "the evening and the morning were the first day" and so forth, it kinda throws that out the window, right?
    Not only that, but can't there be some clarity from the bible just once? Why is everything so convoluted, subject to total mystery, context or semantics??? god sure seems to be less than a perfect communicator in my book??? Wtf???

    Guess he never heard of the KISS theory, or simplicity is the sign of higher learning, huh?
  • 04-11-2014, 06:02 PM
    bibleman

    Re: Christians Against Abortions and Homosexuals

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Does anyone here know how God measures days? It might not be days as we humans know it.

    Poor reasoning. Christians try to use that to claim their faith in creation and evolution.........BUT, when the bible says that "the evening and the morning were the first day" and so forth, it kinda throws that out the window, right?
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