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  • 07-02-2016, 02:48 PM
    Maybee

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    testing 12345
  • 02-25-2006, 09:26 PM
    Your Dad

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Shop, no member will be able to give you an answer. I've tried many a time... because their only major revenue is new member's money. Making them a ponzi.

    I hope Chariss likes looking at the inside of a jail cell...
  • 02-25-2006, 04:44 PM
    [email protected]

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Any of you 12DailyPro cheerleaders care to tell me how Charis Johnson,
    made the money to pay 12% a day?
    And please, don't tell me it was from advertising. :rolleyes:
    There is no way advertising could generate the money she needed to pay 12% a day. :eek:
    Any takers? :D
  • 02-25-2006, 10:05 AM
    peasant

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    At last a sensible post
  • 02-23-2006, 09:42 PM
    kevinw

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Greetings,

    This is to answer questions about 12Daily Pro Inc and LifeClicks LLC

    My name is Kevin Wessell. I am the CEO of Companies Incorporated.

    We establish corporations and limited liability companies for clients. Click here Incorporate and you will see www.companiesinc.com. We establish thousands of companies yearly.

    We received an order from a client for us to form companies named 12Daily Pro Inc and LifeClicks LLC.

    We shipped the companies to the client as required. Naturally, we do not have anything to do with the operation of this company. These are simply two of the many thousands companies we have formed for clients.

    We have been receiving telephone inquiries regarding these companies, so we have posted a statement on our website: 12Daily Pro Inc and LifeClicks LLC.

    I hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Kevin Wessell
  • 02-04-2006, 12:15 AM
    seize

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Hey all. As you all probably know, Stormpay has frozen 12dailypros account and has sent out a mass email stating they are a ponzi scam, and 12dailypro apparently says Stormpay is either trying to monopolize the autosurf industry or is a scam themselves. I'm not one to insist on one or the others story; however for those interested check this out:

    http://data.middletennessee.bbb.org/...ml?bid=2146166

    I found it quite interesting. Enjoy and warm regards to all.
  • 01-22-2006, 12:09 AM
    Collegestudent

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by Los
    Good onya charis for giving people a little hope
    That is so sad of you to say that. These same people who are so hopeful will soon have all their hope taken away from them. It is, really, kind of depressing that people like Chariss exist that do this. But people like you who are too naive to realize it will be forced to when the program falls. Just dont say there wasnt anyone who warned you.
  • 01-21-2006, 08:09 PM
    Zendi

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scotterz
    If you want links do a search and read my past posts, I have provided extensive posts to the reports and documentation, more than enough. I don't have the time to repost the crap after you cheerleaders have done your job of burying the truth with all the lies that you post. Besides, if you REALLY want to know it is a simple thing to google the information and see for yourself, that is what I did.
    Oi! Sorry I missed this...

    1) My request for links was to "lucidreamer". If you will re-read my post that you replied to, you will find that I was quoting him in my post. He made assertions, I requested he back those up with the appropriate links.

    2) If you do not have time to repost pertinent material, then don't waste your time posting at all - to me at least. It's a simple matter to copy and paste material you are asked to provide that you find you provide on a regular basis. Again, if one makes an assertion, they should jolly well be able to provide their reference when asked.

    3) You can save your grouping me into the catagory of "cheerleader". Unless of course you have proof that I have in any way endorsed 12dp or any other scheme of this sort. You are also asked to refrain from labeling me a liar without proof of any such thing.

    4) Googled- I have. Again, if one makes an assertion or claim, it stands to reason that they will provide reasonable data to back that claim up. Otherwise it amounts to all of ****.

    I suggest that if you are too tired to answer people when they question, or debate those of opposite opinion in a sensible and intelligent manner, then perhaps what you're doing here isn't what this forum seems to be designed for.....to inform.
  • 01-21-2006, 07:39 PM
    Zendi

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman
    A

    Unfortunately, space on a a forum such as this does not allow the line by line discrediting of the document which this one deserves, if only to point out to beginner investors the trickery involved, and the dangers of accepting anything like this "Due diligence"at face value
    Oooo...do try...It would be rather interesting..
  • 01-21-2006, 07:33 PM
    littleroundman

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by autosurfqueen
    Dear OIC Members,
    It is with great pleasure that we introduce the first OIC-verified program: 12Daily Pro.

    Most everyone is familiar with the details of the 12Daily Pro Program, so I will not repeat them here. Here are some fast facts about the program:

    Name: 12 Daily Pro

    Body of quote edited to save bandwidth

    This is a brief synopsis of the information gathered and DD conducted on 12Daily Pro. Any questions may be directed to [email protected].

    Andrew
    OIC/SYF Administration
    At times posting on a board like Scam.com can have its' disadvantages, and this is one of them.

    This so called "due diligence" report has been repeatedly posted on many sites on behalf of 12DP.

    It is one of the most misleading, confusing and downright dangerous to the unwary documents ever posted.

    Any resemblance to a useful due diligence document is purely accidental.

    Unfortunately, space on a a forum such as this does not allow the line by line discrediting of the document which this one deserves, if only to point out to beginner investors the trickery involved, and the dangers of accepting anything like this "Due diligence"at face value
  • 01-21-2006, 05:12 PM
    Kool-Aid

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky
    PLEASE bAN THIS GUY FOR SPAMMING

    Spank-You!!

    OH-YEAH!!

    Craig Beste

    SmartMPG
  • 01-21-2006, 03:21 PM
    Zendi

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by autosurfqueen
    Dear OIC Members,
    It is with great pleasure that we introduce the first OIC-verified program: 12Daily Pro.

    Most everyone is familiar with the details of the 12Daily Pro Program, so I will not repeat them here. Here are some fast facts about the program:

    (Shortened for those with optical fatigue...)

    Andrew
    OIC/SYF Administration
    ASQ, could you tell me anything aboutthe OIC/SYF Administration? I'm having difficulty producing anything on them, save their connection with this statement.

    Also, this bit tends to get left off the "verification":
    "OIC/SYF General Disclaimer:
    The OIC makes no formal guarantee or recommendation of the 12Daily Pro program, and claims no responsibility for or insurance of spends made to 12 Daily Pro or any other LifeClicks-affiliated site. The information above is the opinion and best judgement of OIC/SYF forum administration, and is neither explicitly or implicitly intended as formal proof of a program's reliability or longevity. "Verified", "verification" and similar t e r m s are not indicative of financial advice. Any spend to the above-reference program is made at the sole discretion of the individual program member, who absolves and indemnifies OIC/SYF forum administration of all liability for any losses which may result
    ."
  • 01-21-2006, 02:28 PM
    Los

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    i should have known 12dp's best advertiser would have been here already.Ponzi nemisis is certainly his own worst nemisis. He starts these attacks on Charis everywhere with boring monotony.predicting the demise of 12dp then a new prediction when the old one wears out. I doubt 12dp will go on for ever but PN has become rather boring seem he has been exposed as a fraudulent ex member of this very program. What was it $125,OOOUSD in mulitiple accounts??
    Perhaps we should have a Ponzi Nemisis thread of his own as we show the world his true colours.

    Good onya charis for giving people a little hope
  • 01-21-2006, 11:45 AM
    autosurfqueen

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Dear OIC Members,
    It is with great pleasure that we introduce the first OIC-verified program: 12Daily Pro.

    Most everyone is familiar with the details of the 12Daily Pro Program, so I will not repeat them here. Here are some fast facts about the program:

    Name: 12 Daily Pro
    Parent Company: LifeClicks, LLC
    Admin Name: Charis Johnson
    Physical Location: On File (verified)
    Program Inception: May 13, 2005
    Program membership (10/27/05): approx. 85,000 members
    Program growth rate (10/27/05): 1.17%, or approx. 1000 members per day.
    Certifications: NetIBA (verified)
    Anti-DDOS Protection: Prolexic Clean Pipe (verified)
    Payment Processors: E-gold, Stormpay

    Due Diligence:
    Level 1 DD (preliminary evaluation; electronic): completed
    Level 2 DD (financial and identity): completion pending

    Description of Verification
    Over several months of semi-regular correspondence by e-mail and then e-mail and phone, have conducted program DD discussion with principal program Admin, Charis Johnson. In addition to the DD noted and documentation collected elsewhere on this site, a substantial body of information that is not publicly viewable has been compiled during research of 12 Daily Pro. Here are some of the more significant pieces of information:

    1) LifeClicks, LLC (parent company) independently verified as legitimate LLC in the state of North Carolina.

    Kevin Wessell: Organizer
    Brent Hubbard: Registered Agent

    Look here under "Guidelines to Incorporating" for general info. on LLCs:
    http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/Corporations/#

    Physical office location of Lifeclicks, LLC? Yes - verified
    Office phone numbers (landline) for Lifeclicks, LLC? Yes - verifed
    Number of employees of LifeClicks: 5 full-time (not including consultants)
    etc.

    2) Identity of Admin/Principals of program:
    Admin: name verified (legal surname is different - that of spouse)
    Spouse/Co-Admin: full name, occupation/workplace: verified
    E-mail exchange with Admin and Co-Admin: yes
    Telephone meeting with Admin and Co-Admin: yes
    Personal Residence of Admin: verified
    Personal phone number of Admin (landline): verified
    Background/Professional references for Admin: partially completed - in process
    etc.

    3) Some comments on their financials

    Means of income/revenue?
    LifeClicks has several means of income: incoming funds from new and returns members is but one (as stated in their terms).
    Several other highly significant means of income exist, including, but not limited to investments. No forex trading is performed. LifeClicks in general, and 12DP in particular, is not a ponzi. Further details cannot be disclosed, by request of Admin.

    Is the program sustainable without new memberships?
    Yes, the program is structured such that the present rate of return can be maintained without new memberships. Though obvious, it is worth mentioning here that a program cannot exist without an existing membership. The present number of members is far above the minimum necessary for program survival.

    Does LifeClicks pay taxes?
    Yes, LifeClicks, LLC must pay taxes, and yes this involves the manager/members of LifeClicks, including Charis Johnson. Refer to the North Carolina General Statutes (NCGS) Ch.57C for details.

    4) The Future of 12Daily Pro?
    12Daily Pro will be maintained by LifeClicks on an ongoing basis. The program itself is NOT the primary revenue generator for LifeClicks, though through the programs reputation and notoriety, Lifeclicks has prospered. LifeClicks has very exciting and ambitious plans for the rest of 2005, and 2006 (and beyond), in which 12 Daily Pro figures highly.

    This is a brief synopsis of the information gathered and DD conducted on 12Daily Pro. Any questions may be directed to [email protected].

    Andrew
    OIC/SYF Administration
  • 01-20-2006, 10:38 AM
    Your Dad

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by autosurfqueen

    Go chase after the Casinos, Online Casinos, Horse Races and Lotteries who rake in billions every day from people who have LOST way more than they have ever won. They take money from people with gambling addictions like taking candy from a child.
    ONCE AGAIN.

    The roulette table will be there when 12DP is gone.

    A casino is required by law to have reserves of money with which to pay members. 12DP is not. If everyone has a lucky day, they could theoretically take more money away from a casino than they put in. 12DP, on the other hand, has no money except your money. Thus, it is mathematically obvious that the expected return on putting money into 12DP is negative. It so happens that the expected return at a casino is also negative. However, 12DP works on an exponentially growth scheme whereas each spin at roulette is a statistically independent event (i.e., the fact that it was black the last five times does not mean that red is "due"). Thus, the longer 12DP operates, the more you can expect to lose when it finally does collapse (because the new upgrades will be a larger percentage of the total money).

    You may be able to game the system by taking out your principle after a while in order to ensure from that point on you only lose earnings, but in the end everyone collectively will lose except for the PO.

    If it was just gambling I wouldn't see any problem with it, but these programs thrive by giving incentives to people to convince all their friends that handing over their money is a sure thing. And it just takes a quick glance at the forum history to see that similar programs have all ended abruptly. It brings out the worst in people I think, chasing for people to donate under them as well as dependence and blind faith in programs that tell us so little. Paying your bills and mortgage with 12 Daily is obviously a big mistake, but some people are actually doing that. So it's safe to say it's more than just a game to a lot of people, and of course it's a bummer to lose even small change.

    I love posting that.
  • 01-20-2006, 04:20 AM
    SteamPonzi

    Re: WARNING: 12daily Pro about to crash!

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky
    in 12dp the only reason people are watching the Ads is because they are forced too or else you wont get your money.... People are just waiting for the ads to be complete so they can get paid... they could care less about the advertiser and spending money at there site. This is the reason why no multi million dollar company would advertise on a autosurf program like 12dp because people would leave and then come back after 5-7 minutes. People dont care about the advertiser... the only thing they care about is viewing the 12 sites that are required to get there 12% which makes 12dp and other autosurfs worthless in advertising
    Autosurfing is relatively new and those that were running from a awhile back required from their viewers difficult to maintain habits required to get decent money (25-50 sites per day for .01-1%).

    One has to get a large dedicated audience and corral a reasonable amount of “captive time” from them. About 12-15 sites seems about right with 15 to 30 seconds per each. Sure many people will leave the computer but a fair amount will stay since the time and the sites required are short and the pay is good, resulting in a high amount of views per page rotated, especially the first 12 (and the last 50th if you let it run). If the pay is too low or the requirement for the number of sites viewed too many, then the autosurf becomes entirely too unreliable as the audience goes outside to mow the lawn.

    Currently, most of the sites are “junk” other autosurfs, how to get rich in HYIP and so forth, but this is the buildup to critical mass, where the membership becomes enormous enough for the big advertisers will take notice then we’ll see Nike and others. What this number is and whether or not they are aware of the autosurf and its potential, only each big adcompany can answer. Charis herself may have a guess at this number so to certainly succeed she must have the backing to reach and sustain that until the big ad companies come aboard. Guess wrong for too long and bye bye 12DP. There is a tremendous amount of money floating around in marketing business. Its just where its going to go.

    What is known that ad people are intensely interested in searching for ways to reach their target audiences especially since so much of their work can be bypassed in this era of user control over our entertainment media.

    Also it seems that the owners of 12dpro are much more visible than what I would otherwise expect. If this thing crashes and burns, they would be safer living in Fajullah.

    Ironically, it’s Ponzi Nemesis that seems to be one of the best testimonials for 12DP. He set up multiple accounts with accumulations of over 100,000 grand! Much of this might have been profit from the program itself, but much of it certainly must have been his own originating assets. If he did not believe in this then he would not have invested so much effort and money into it.
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