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  • 04-11-2014, 07:03 PM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    The mercury a different isotope you get more on you daily walk to work than is contained within the vaccine. You ingest more chemicals in your energy drink than you get in a vaccine.
    Ammonium sulfate is an inorganic salts and is a food additive in bread and flour.
    Aluminum phosphate is another form of inorganic salt usually found in soil.
    Formaldehyde is produced NATURALLY by the body to start with.

    Why is it legal for people to avoid matters of public health based on a grade school understanding of biology and chemistry? Why would you let them?

    EDUCATE YOUR SELF.

    Note to self read the entire picture.

    Sorry rusty I've seen far to many anti vac PSA lately your image looked like one of them.
  • 04-11-2014, 04:13 PM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky View Post
    This will never not be relevant to this discussion.
    The mercury a different isotope you get more on you daily walk to work than is contained within the vaccine. You ingest more chemicals in your energy drink than you get in a vaccine.
    Ammonium sulfate is an inorganic salts and is a food additive in bread and flour.
    Aluminum phosphate is another form of inorganic salt usually found in soil.
    Formaldehyde is produced NATURALLY by the body to start with.

    Why is it legal for people to avoid matters of public health based on a grade school understanding of biology and chemistry? Why would you let them?

    EDUCATE YOUR SELF.
  • 04-11-2014, 12:20 PM
    Rusky

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    This will never not be relevant to this discussion.

  • 03-10-2014, 12:39 PM
    phlipper

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    The verdict is out on the issue. Every country, every medical organization and every government agrees that Vaccines work, that they save lives, and prevent permanent damage.

    The anti vaccers arguments are largely based on a poor understanding of Stats, A terrible understanding of what a vaccine is, and a worse understanding of the actual and real chronic effects are from the virus that the vaccines help prevent.
    I aggree with you but the experssion you meant to use is "the verdict is in". Had the vaccine issue not been settled, you could have said "the jury is out", or words to that effect. Admittedly, I'm quibbling a bit. You could have said "the verdict has come out" , and been correct, but common usage of the expressions is otherwise.
  • 03-10-2014, 03:12 AM
    drizzly

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    As a kid, my parents had me vaccinated, so I'm thankful for that. I think that if the parents of these children don't want to have their kids vaccinated, then I consider them as irresponsible parents. They shouldn't be raising children in the 1st place.
  • 03-07-2014, 11:13 AM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Sviat View Post
    Drugs are not natural to the body. And end up hurting you in other places.

    The only thing I advise is drugs or flu shots for the elderly.
    (and that's only if they want to live).

    I say get rid of all vaccinations immediately.
    Forcing kids to get shots before kindergarten is N A Z I tactics.

    The human body needs to fight diseases. Everything can be cured with whole raw foods.:judges:
    I'm really not sure if you are being sarcastic or if you honestly believe this tripe.

    can you please clarify as you take a sip of your energy drink and the Advil for your headache.
  • 03-07-2014, 09:41 AM
    Sviat

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Drugs are not natural to the body. And end up hurting you in other places.

    The only thing I advise is drugs or flu shots for the elderly.
    (and that's only if they want to live).

    I say get rid of all vaccinations immediately.
    Forcing kids to get shots before kindergarten is N A Z I tactics.

    The human body needs to fight diseases. Everything can be cured with whole raw foods.:judges:
  • 03-06-2014, 01:24 PM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Knotical View Post
    If these are so good for us, then why are there so many reports of vaccines causing autism in kids?
    In short.... Because people are scared and want to blame something. There is absolutely no evidence that says vaccines cause or increase autism.

    To understand this you need a little bit a background.
    Autism is a spectrum. Ranging from child like adult, Forrest gump to rain-man to socially smart guy.
    2/3rds fit into the socially awkward smart guy category. Up till the early 1980's there was no test to diagnose this group.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum

    over the past 20 our ability to detect and diagnoise has increased resulting in an increase of reported cases.

    and there are also about 1,000 other things that have better correlations.
    a recent study showed that people in big cities/industrial areas had a higher rate verses people in the country.

    Now to Wakefield.

    There was a theory going around that undigested food in the gut made it's way in to the blood stream and made it's way up to the brain resulting in increased autism rates.

    Wakefield was hired by a law firm that was hired by a pharmaceutical company to make a legal case against the currently all in one MMR vaccine at the time so that it could be replaced with the companies multi-shot version of the vaccine. So they could make millions from it's sales. For this service wakefield was ultimately given a place on the board and about a half million dollars in payment.

    Wakefields proof was in the form of 12 children. Who he said had the measils virus in there stomach lining. He preformed all the tests himself and wrote a medical paper on it and then issued a press release sparking the scare.

    The Fraud...... Other researchers were NEVER able to back up the undigested food theory. Nothing backed it up. So people began following up the report.

    What they found:
    Is that his own lab results did not show the measils virus and he had altered the reports.
    That he subjected the children to a battery of unrelated and unnecessary tests.
    That after the children were tracked down. Many of the parents were surprised to know that there child was used in this report or that wakefeild said they had autism. In reality some had some other form of mental delay, or in some cases the child had a hearing problem. Others had no delay at all.

    Overall the Wakefield incident is a prime example of a pharmaceutical company seeking to make money off the fear of others.
    http://briandeer.com/mmr-lancet.htm


    The myth remains today because of a parents natural fear, there distrust of big corporations and there general lack of understanding of stats and vaccines themselves.

    Various people have tried to capitalize off of these claims. They ramp up fear, and try to pull on your heart strings. However, you'll notice that the donate button is ever present on there sites, and there books, and merchandise is front and center.
  • 03-05-2014, 10:21 PM
    Knotical

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    Half the substances are synthetic items are things your body already uses or makes. Some are catalysts that encourage your body to react. All are in such low doses that they barely register vs the human body mass.

    Vaccines expose your body to a castrated version of the virus. It's your immune system that learns the tricks. Your immune system that benefits.
    If these are so good for us, then why are there so many reports of vaccines causing autism in kids?
  • 03-05-2014, 07:34 PM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Knotical View Post
    If this is true, then why do they put synthetic and artificial substances in them?

    Don't get me wrong, there are some advances in modern medicine that have made us the healthy world we are today, however, there are still too many vaccines that cause more harm than good, because of synthetics and artificial ingredients.
    Half the substances are synthetic items are things your body already uses or makes. Some are catalysts that encourage your body to react. All are in such low doses that they barely register vs the human body mass.

    Vaccines expose your body to a castrated version of the virus. It's your immune system that learns the tricks. Your immune system that benefits.
  • 03-04-2014, 07:05 PM
    Knotical

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    Vaccines are natural immunity.
    If this is true, then why do they put synthetic and artificial substances in them?

    Don't get me wrong, there are some advances in modern medicine that have made us the healthy world we are today, however, there are still too many vaccines that cause more harm than good, because of synthetics and artificial ingredients.
  • 02-01-2014, 08:57 AM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Knotical View Post
    Absolutely.

    Why do they feel the need to include poisons in the very inoculations that are supposed to prevent us, and our children, from contracting a disease/sickness that would decimate a population? Why are they unable to find a safer way to make these vaccines?
    The vaccines are safe the additives/catylists are usually substances that your body produces naturally like formaldehyde (yes your body produces this naturally) or things that you are exposed to more of on a daily bases and they have been modified to be helpful to the body. Biology is a complicated thing.

    I was vaccinated as I grew up, but refuse to get the flu shot. Reason being is that I have always been healthier than anyone I have seen who has gotten it.

    No thanks. I will continue with my philosophy that if I can manage an illness at home, I will do so, but if there is something that develops I cannot manage I will go see a doctor.

    The last time this occurred is when I had a kidney infection. Since then, whenever I feel it coming on again I start taking vitamin C (immune booster) and cranberry seed extract (antioxidants). Other than that, the only thing I was unable to resolve myself was when I had appendicitis, for which I had an appendectomy.

    I have a reasonable understanding of when I need to see a doctor, and know when it will just be a waste of time and money.
    NO ONE is talking about the flu shot. They are talking about viruses that cause birth defects, chronic pain, neurological problems, infertility and infant death...... Not the common flu.

    People have vast misconceptions about why we take certain vaccines and when we take them. People also don't understand how viruses work.

    For instance you are currently infected with a host of minor viruses and bacteria. Your body keeps them down to manageable levels so you don't get sick. However, should you your immune system dip you can and often do get sick with them. However, in the mean time you can pass them on to someone else. Eg. the 5 month old kid who can't tell there parents that they have the whooping cough and are likely to die. Or the unborn fetus that will now has birth defects as a result of infection within the womb. (hence the reason why people consider anti-vaxiers a danger to public health)

    Viruses are also not cured with medicine.... They must run there course. for most of the ones you avoid due to vaccinations it would mean 8+ painful weeks where you can't work or do much of anything.



    Also one other thing about vaccines. that people get confused about.

    A vaccine is not a cure, it doesn't make you immune, nor is it a magic pill. It doesn't stay in your body forever. Your body isn't weaker for taking it.

    It is a teacher. A vaccine is a castrated version of the virus, it looks the same and smells the same and fights the same but without the negative side effects. Your body thus learns how to recognize, and fight the virus as soon as it appears in any form preventing it from getting a foothold in your body dormant or otherwise.

    Vaccines are natural immunity.

    As to the dangers of vaccine.

    I did a statistical analysis based on an anti-vaxiers own stats that they provided to me (i'll see if I can find the information again)

    The result was that you are 39 times more likely to get chronic lifetime pain from the long term viral side effects. Than you are to have a 3 hour bout of crying from getting the needle.
  • 02-01-2014, 08:22 AM
    Spector567

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Administrator View Post
    What about all the links to Autism and vaccinations?!
    What links? They are imagined links sparked by a guy seeking to make money off of the fear of parents.

    I'll let you read all the articles on the investigation since they are extensive.
    http://briandeer.com/wakefield-deer.htm

    and just so you know. Wakefield was on the Board of a pharmaceutical company and stood to make MILLIONS through his own version of the vaccine he blamed.

    and his study was based on 12 children, who had no evidence of the vaccine in there stomach (what his theory was) and years later those children were tracked down. Many of the parents were surprised to find out someone said there children had autism (they didn't) A couple had other genetic defects, several had hearing problems that were quickly fixed.
  • 01-31-2014, 11:44 AM
    Knotical

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by pr0xx1d View Post
    People should have the right to choose whether their children and themselves are vaccinated. It is someones human right to choose what goes into their bodies as well as their childrens'. If the children decide that they would like to be vaccinated when they grow up then they have that right.
    Absolutely.

    Why do they feel the need to include poisons in the very inoculations that are supposed to prevent us, and our children, from contracting a disease/sickness that would decimate a population? Why are they unable to find a safer way to make these vaccines?

    I was vaccinated as I grew up, but refuse to get the flu shot. Reason being is that I have always been healthier than anyone I have seen who has gotten it.

    No thanks. I will continue with my philosophy that if I can manage an illness at home, I will do so, but if there is something that develops I cannot manage I will go see a doctor.

    The last time this occurred is when I had a kidney infection. Since then, whenever I feel it coming on again I start taking vitamin C (immune booster) and cranberry seed extract (antioxidants). Other than that, the only thing I was unable to resolve myself was when I had appendicitis, for which I had an appendectomy.

    I have a reasonable understanding of when I need to see a doctor, and know when it will just be a waste of time and money.
  • 01-31-2014, 11:29 AM
    Administrator

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    What about all the links to Autism and vaccinations?!
  • 01-29-2014, 09:15 PM
    tinybutnotfangless

    Re: People Who Don't Vaccinate Their Children Are a Threat to Public Health

    Quote Originally Posted by Spector567 View Post
    The anti vaccers arguments are largely based on a poor understanding of Stats, A terrible understanding of what a vaccine is, and a worse understanding of the actual and real chronic effects are from the virus that the vaccines help prevent.
    They also have a very poor understanding about the ingredients that make up the vaccine. Eg: once they read the word "mercury" in the list of things that are a part of some vaccines, they immediately jump to the wildest conclusions.

    "OMG! Mercury!??! BAD BAD BAD!"

    +sigh+

    Please fellow citizens of the planet Earth, you may think you should have the choice what you put into your body, but what about the people around you who don't have a choice to stay away from you until it's too late? I could just see it now...

    Friend: "So how did your son get small pox?"

    Me: "Some fool refused to vaccinate his child because he didn't want his child to be pumped with cyanide and mercury."

    Friend: "They do realize that the cyanide and mercury used in vaccines are in miniscule doses and are engineered to be good for your body instead of bad right?"

    Me: "If they knew, do you think my son would have small pox?"
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