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  • 12-01-2005, 05:44 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    Formal education for starters, there is a minimum level of education a child is supposed to have these days. Some people back then would spend their whole lives and not have the book-smarts of a 10-year-old in our time.
    Job diversity is another thing, our economy is complex and structured much more than theirs was.
    There are plenty of things lexx and you don't need me to explain them to you, just use that good brain of yours instead of looking for things to argue about =)
    so i'm argumentative am i!?some people have commented that once and awhile i make a surprise statement somewhere close to rational reason!?(must be a fall in the pot,here's what i got,thing)we're all looking for a leader.a daddy we can all be proud of.who wants to figure anything out for themselves!?or is it just me!?damn!!i hate that!!but anywho,you "know' i was just probing for a closer look at your own meanings.or more to the personal like confessional if you will.sin cant be forgiven until it is confessed.i mean if jesus said let your yes be yes and your no be no,and all else proceedeth from evil........then we are all here confessing our sin.and the meaning we "hold" to those words is what it's all about.to say life is more complicated means nothing to me unless you say why it is more complicated for you.and to say what complicated means is what i'm tryin to determine.mutually if allowed.i have no omnipitant trap to spring on anyone.even if it has seemed so by my plethora of posts.but we all suffer from a (self)persecution complex.NO LEXX, JUST YOU!!hehe!!now you know why it's so hard to trust god.(i sure dont!!)but my investigations into the reality of it all(who cares,just my own ego trip!!) tell me there is no other "safe" way!!call it bungee jumpin!!so man is full of doubts with opinions.and this is what i call complicated.and it's not his fault!!that idiot adam!!but what do i know!!what i'm tryin ta say is........responsibility comes down to accepting all the things that come your way.WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE OF COURSE!!because it must include the unwanted and the unacceptable and the inapropriate and UNTIMELY and the unbearable.........etc,etc.(blame it on the system)but what the H e l l else could be meant by walikin thru the valley of the shadow of darkness!?(your (my)own)what the h e l l else reason did the christ give it all up for a lousy shameful losin painfull death on the cross.the dude walked on water!!or so they say!?PSSST!!i really like the rebuke the weather bit!!.........OOPS!!sorry for the rant...........it's just a confession!!WOW!!....looks to me like i shot my whole pent up wad on one reply!!wont be the first time!! :eek: :p :rolleyes:
  • 11-30-2005, 03:41 AM
    Viguro

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    I think a good way to realise just how much of the Bible was made up by man without God's influence is to look at judgements based on common misbeliefs of the time.

    Now, firstly, I'm not saying God didn't tell Noah the world was flooding, Noah didn't necessarily need to know it wasn't the entire world and God may have had His reasons for saying that instead of the truth, but maybe not as well.

    The theory I've always favoured is that the Euphrates and Tigris rivers overflowed to the extent that they joined in the middle, and considering the limited forms of communication available back then it would have seemed like the whole world to them.

    This can also be used for another point, that the Bible is meant to be taken loosely, not literally.
    For example, I don't think Genesis was ever meant to be scientifically accurate.
    God could've created the Big Bang and everything that followed, but instead of explaining this to a people who had absolutely no understanding of astrophysics He may have just given the abbreviated "7 day version".
    People of the time would've never been able to understand an explanation of the complex details.

    This doesn't mean the stories aren't true in part, and the conclusions people draw after reading the stories don't need to necessarily change, but I think that if more people realised or just thought about the possibility that the Bible isn't an 100% accurate record of history and even that some of it may be coming directly from other past religions, there wouldn't be so many "fundamentalist" mistakes and silly justifications for wars.

    Anyways, there's some thoughts, where's all yours? =)

    I, frankly, don't care much of how I became, rather, what was the purpose to why I became... Also, if everyone agree's something can't come from nothing, why do we say God came from nothing and "just was." I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference, but surely there is more purpose to the creation of "Adam" than "Oh... I'm so bored... I need TV...hmm, reality TV... I know... lets put insignificant spec here, insignificant spec there... Yeah... that's good, now, lets see what happens!" Seriously, the bible doesn't seem to shed any light on this, which I think is far more relevant than "Oh no! We are gonna die one day!" Sheesh...

    Was there something before God? What is the dimension that is deemed "heaven"? Is there dimensions that "heaven" resides in? Does it reside in anything at all? Is it a form of a paradox in existence where one needs no dimension to exist? Was God a spontatneous being? If yes, then there must be a dimension to create such a being ... thus, also meaning, requiring a previous creation of the dimension... Ugh... my head hurts so much... but it's too fascinating to let go! :mad:

    Also, I'm sure it's more than 100% guaranteed there is other sentient life out there... if not now, at least eventually, considering how vast and many galaxies are, it would be foolish to think little green men don't exist... Is there a heaven for them as well? Do they come to the heaven that we know of? Will there be what looks like a Star Trek convention in cloud 9? :D Or, do we appear in heaven as formless creatures? Simply an essence of life with no bounding to simple limbs. If so, then perhaps the other sentient beings may appear formless as well? Showing how life is ultimately the same...
    Many questions yes... questions I hope people would answer thoroughly including opinions >.> If one does not know, then make up a hypothesis. =P
  • 11-29-2005, 09:54 AM
    SubJunk

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    what are the differences in complication then and now or whenever or whoever.what do you mean by complication!?less time to contemplate!?or too much to contemplate on!?..........or both!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:
    Formal education for starters, there is a minimum level of education a child is supposed to have these days. Some people back then would spend their whole lives and not have the book-smarts of a 10-year-old in our time.
    Job diversity is another thing, our economy is complex and structured much more than theirs was.
    There are plenty of things lexx and you don't need me to explain them to you, just use that good brain of yours instead of looking for things to argue about =)
  • 11-29-2005, 08:15 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    what are the differences in complication then and now or whenever or whoever.what do you mean by complication!?less time to contemplate!?or too much to contemplate on!?..........or both!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:
  • 11-17-2005, 10:30 PM
    SubJunk

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    what is complicated!?or maybe who is complicated!?is god complicated!? is love complicated!?what is advanced!?what has changed for the better visa-vi human relationships!?for to follow god the supposed ruler of all.....can that be complicated!?is that advanced!?or is it simple and wonderful and unbelievable(even fearful)(to most)(and myself) and how is it done,and is trust in him rather than self reliance,otherwise known as the "system",and where the wind blows and how low can you go and the least of them i know and myself i let go and judge judy i show!!that what is to be is not up to me but mercy my plea for other than thee for who can truly see the place that will eventually be home to all that can call on the one who rules the all and everything hehe!!what do i know..........i aint there yet!!
    :eek: :p :D
    What I meant is they were uncomplicated in comparison to what we are now. I suppose they were also uncomplicated in comparison to the Japanese living at the same time and earlier, too.
  • 11-17-2005, 09:07 AM
    Rawb

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Lexx, you're a poet and didn't know it. hehe :D
  • 11-17-2005, 07:50 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    If you want to learn about the Big Bang, there are a lot of good books by people like Stephen Hawking to read. It started from a singularity, which is almost nothing, but something all the same.
    If God exists of course he could've created the Big Bang =)
    Hehe lexx these are my new sunglasses, they're great.

    I personally have always thought that most of Genesis was just to explain very complicated things to a very uncomplicated/not-yet-advanced civilisation.
    They'd have just scratched their heads and said "screw this!" if it were to mention science!
    what is complicated!?or maybe who is complicated!?is god complicated!? is love complicated!?what is advanced!?what has changed for the better visa-vi human relationships!?for to follow god the supposed ruler of all.....can that be complicated!?is that advanced!?or is it simple and wonderful and unbelievable(even fearful)(to most)(and myself) and how is it done,and is trust in him rather than self reliance,otherwise known as the "system",and where the wind blows and how low can you go and the least of them i know and myself i let go and judge judy i show!!that what is to be is not up to me but mercy my plea for other than thee for who can truly see the place that will eventually be home to all that can call on the one who rules the all and everything hehe!!what do i know..........i aint there yet!!
    :eek: :p :D
  • 11-17-2005, 01:20 AM
    SubJunk

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    If you want to learn about the Big Bang, there are a lot of good books by people like Stephen Hawking to read. It started from a singularity, which is almost nothing, but something all the same.
    If God exists of course he could've created the Big Bang =)
    Hehe lexx these are my new sunglasses, they're great.

    I personally have always thought that most of Genesis was just to explain very complicated things to a very uncomplicated/not-yet-advanced civilisation.
    They'd have just scratched their heads and said "screw this!" if it were to mention science!
  • 11-16-2005, 09:28 AM
    Rawb

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Good point on the length of time that God may have taken to create the earth. They probably were longer (using my feeble wisdom for this thought)
    In Genesis God warned Adam and Eve regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He said that if they ate of the fruit of that tree, in that day they would surely die. Now how long did Adam live? 930 years if I am correct. That is under 1000 years, which some have said is a day in God's eyes. God kept His word on speaking that.

    So, each day of creation could be equivalent to 1000 years in our eyes right? We also have no idea how long it was that Adam and Eve were in the garden before they sinned. So that leaves a gap to fill in.

    Now I can understand why people say the big bang. The Bible says that God did create things just by speaking his word, but we would understand it as an instantaneous thing that happened. God made something out of nothing in essence. Does that jive?
  • 11-16-2005, 07:05 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    hey sub!!you got that "matrix" look!!
  • 11-16-2005, 07:03 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyHunny
    Ah! Ha! Thought I'd get a rise outta ya! He! He! :D
    an avatar would help!!till then,it's only mental!! :eek: :rolleyes:
  • 11-15-2005, 07:07 PM
    Ysne58

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Actually - the word used for day in the 7 days of creation story could have meant a period of time longer than a day -- When you take that into consideration, this version of creation does not exclude the theory of evolution.
  • 11-14-2005, 05:20 PM
    HillbillyHunny

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    never learned english........actually i call it six-pack shorthand...minus the "drawl"!!ok....12 pack!!thought you of all people(hunny)would understand!!or are ya sayin ya do!!:p :D :rolleyes:

    Ah! Ha! Thought I'd get a rise outta ya! He! He! :D
  • 11-14-2005, 09:02 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by HillbillyHunny
    UH!! Does Lexx ever talk in English!! :p

    Ha Ha!
    never learned english........actually i call it six-pack shorthand...minus the "drawl"!!ok....12 pack!!thought you of all people(hunny)would understand!!or are ya sayin ya do!!:p :D :rolleyes:
  • 11-14-2005, 08:02 AM
    HillbillyHunny

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    you dont get it!?it's up to the followers to come up with the god made the universe "look" old!!it's groupy fill in thing!!you see it all the time in any discipline.and by the way,they have already done it!!filled in the blanks themselves!!and ever hear of "the hook" applied to the songs in the music industry!?fishers of men has many meanings!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:

    UH!! Does Lexx ever talk in English!! :p

    Ha Ha!
  • 11-14-2005, 06:57 AM
    lexx

    Re: Caught out by human perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by kazza
    I agree SubJunk. There is another aspect that has often puzzled me as well. I have had discussions with yeccies regarding all sorts of dodgey scientific theories they have thrown up to explain how the universe could have been created only 6000 years ago. They come up with theories on radiation has changed over years, the speed of light has slowed down, continents drift faster than we think etc. etc. etc. A few of these make absolutely no sense at all - the rest are even worse.

    Now what I don't understand is why they don't just say God made the universe to appear old?

    I say 'I can observe light from a star that is x distance away. Since light travels at a finite speed I can conlude that that light has been travelling for y amount of years so the universe must be at least that old.
    They say 'Well obviously the speed of light has changed over the years.' When this is debunked in its most simple form it gets more and more complex and more and more outrageously wrong.
    Why don't they say 'God created that ray of light 6000 years ago and put it halfway between you and the star.'
    or 'God put the continents where they are, but he put lots of evidence around to suggest that they had been moving.' instead of saying 'You are wrong, Gondwana broke up 6000 years ago (despite this requiring continental drift of several kilometers per year).'
    etc.

    You get my point. I really am curious about this. Of course, if they did say that there would be no scientific way to disprove them, and religion and science could remain seperate. In fact, they could consider science to be a religious study, because we would be studying the 'evidence' that god had left for us. I don't know, maybe they just want an argument.

    you dont get it!?it's up to the followers to come up with the god made the universe "look" old!!it's groupy fill in thing!!you see it all the time in any discipline.and by the way,they have already done it!!filled in the blanks themselves!!and ever hear of "the hook" applied to the songs in the music industry!?fishers of men has many meanings!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:
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