World Games Inc (WGI) is a BIG scam!!

[james11]

WGI is a pyramid scheme, which is illegal in most countries.
It has an online gambling/lottery element, which is a camouflage primarily used to try to convince (mostly unsuccessfully) authorities and potential victims that WGI is not a pyramid scheme.
WGI also has an element of Ponzi fraud, called the "Stock Market Game" (SMG). In the SMG, WGI members are partly tricked, partly forced into buying worthless "Virtual Shares". During 2004, the value of these "Virtual Shares" has dropped from 1 Euro to 0.12 Euro.
In WGI propaganda, it is claimed that members can withdraw earned money ("earned" by recruiting pyramid members, lottery winnings or from the SMG) by using an electronic Pay2-card. This card system has not functioned for several months, and was recently officially closed by WGI, who claims that a new card will be introduced, but nobody knows when. The only other alternative is the so-called Wire Transfer. Using Wire Transfer normally takes more than 2 months, the minimum sum for withdrawal is 200 Euro, and an administration fee of 50 Euro is charged by WGI.
Most people believe that the poor functioning of WGI payments is due to a shortage of money, because recruitment of new members into the pyramid has dried up.

WGI was originally run by the Australian company WorldPlay Services, led by mr. Greg Kennedy, who claims to be a major Australian businessman. One of his claims is that he is supposed to be chairman and owner of a 5 billion dollar company, Harroford Ltd. In fact, this company does not exist.
In September 2004, an Australian court of law ruled that WGI is an illegal pyramid scheme, and WorldPlay and Greg Kennedy was ordered to stop this activity. The response of WGI has been to transfer WGI to the mailbox company Pacific Delta Investments Limited (PDIL) which is registered in the British Virgin Islands, a paradise for tax evasion and money laundering.
http://www.findlaw.com.au/news/defa...d=21545&site=LE

The Canadian police have arrested 8 of the major promotors of WGI in Canada.
In Sweden, a woman who was one of the major WGI promotors, was convicted of promoting an illegal "chain-letter lottery" in March 2004.
In Norway, which is a "big" WGI-country, the government lottery inspectorate has declared that promotion of the WGI lotteries is illegal. Spot checks by Nowegian tax authorities have shown that more than 50% of the people receiving money from WGI, have not declared this money as income. A full check of payments from WGI to norwegians is ongoing, and these tax offenders will either have to pay punitive tax, or will be reported to the police.

[james11]

Our Ref: EDH:CM:3576
Your Ref:
Our contact: Eric Hunter
Date: 25 September 2002

The Officer in Charge
Major Fraud & Corporate Crime Group
State Crime Operations Branch
Queensland Police Service
P.O.Box 1440
Roma Street Q 4001


Dear Sir,


Re: Intelligence - Gregory Kennedy – Virtual Games Global – World Games Inc


Cardlink Services Limited is a national provider of credit card fraud investigation services for a number of the major financial institutions including the National Australia Bank Limited and the Australia New Zealand Banking Group Limited. Our primary investigations are based upon unlawful or improper credit card transactions and fraudulent merchant activity.

During a recent investigation involving a merchant processing credit card transactions via a third party we obtained intelligence concerning suspected fraudulent activities including the unlawful processing of multiple credit card transactions by the above named Gregory Kennedy of World Play formerly Virtual Games Global, associated entities, and other persons.

We subsequently provide you with the following information:-

1. Summary of Intelligence

1.1 The information relates to the suspected unauthorised processing of a large number of credit card particulars through a “third party” merchant and the suspected unlawful obtaining of funds as a result of such transactions.

1.2 Banks, upon application by approved account holders, provide credit card, merchant processing facilities through the course of their daily business transactions. These merchant facilities are now common place in most businesses throughout the world and allow the customer to use credit card or eftpos facilities which are automatically and electronically debited against the client’s account in relation to the purchase. The merchant or business owner completes a merchant facility contract with the Bank outlining very clear and concise instructions as to its use. The Banks, through organisations, such as Visa and Mastercard, provide these services, in most cases electronically and in other cases manually. Various authorisational limits are required at the time of the transaction, particularly in the case of manual, credit transactions.

1.3 Banks are very strict as to the type of businesses with whom they supply merchant facilities to. Banks will not supply facilities to businesses where they suspect that the type of business will attract a high charge back rate; ie customers disputing the transaction when it appears on their statement at the end of the month. An example of this kind of business is the electronic gaming type business or computer betting systems. There are many punters who lose, will often dispute transactions at the end of the month in an effort to regain their losses, incurring large administration costs for the merchant facility provider. As a result, careful consideration of each application is provided, prior to approval. Gregor Kenendy / World Play and Virtual Games Global was and is an on-line gambling site. As a result, it has not been able to obtain a merchant facility to process credit card transactions by its customers. Our intelligence suggests that it has unlawfully used a number of third party merchants, in breach of their contracts with merchant providers to process their transactions. In this case, Kennedy , World Play and V G Gobal have forwarded all the details of its customers’ credit card transactions for services provided to a third party who has an approved merchant facility for processing. This party has, in turn, then processed the funds back to Kennedy, World Play and V G Global. Outside of a breach of the agreement between the third party merchant and its merchant provider, we do not allege any criminal offence has been committed in this regard, except a civil breach of contract.

1.4 For the purpose of this matter, we refer to a large number of suspected, fraudulent card transaction by Kennedy, World Play or V G Global through a third party merchant as ‘Indian Runs”.

1.5 These credit card transactions have commonly been referred to as “Indian Runs” as, in summary, a large number of credit card particulars were obtained from a person called Tom Devine through the internet by Kennedy, World Play or V G Global. These credit card numbers were then transferred electronically to a company called Ritech, a Gold Coast company, who had an authorised merchant facility. Ritech then processed

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these unauthorised credit cards, keeping some funds and forwarding the unlawfully obtained funds back to Kennedy, World Play and V G Global.

1.6 It is believed that Ritech, who are a National Australia Bank Limited (“NAB”) customer, forwarded these funds electronically by way of transfer to Kennedy’s account at the titled ‘Hereford Developments Pty Ltd” (a British Virgin Island company) at the Surfers Paradise branch of the NAB.

1.7 We believe that Kennedy then transferred these funds offshore.

1.8 Upon recept of their statements, a large number (approximately 48%) of card holders objected to the electronic transaction using their card, recording a charge back against Ritech’s merchant facility. However, 50% did not dispute the transaction, being unaware of its existence.

1.9 For the purpose of this matter and it’s outline, we refer to a large number of suspected fraudulent credit card transactions, as “Indian Runs”

1.10 We advise that there were at least seventeen (17) “Indian Runs” and we believe that after a large “charge back rate” (48% in some runs) Kennedy and associated entities and other involved persons unlawfully received between $850,000 and $1,360,000.

1.11 It appears apparent that this process took place over several months, from on or about the 19th of September 2001 to on or about the middle of April 2002.

1.12 It is not known by us, whether further runs of this nature, or the unlawful processing of credit cards were completed.

1.13 The nature of the intelligence / allegations we are providing, is that we believe, from the attached documentation, that credit card particulars were provided from a data base which had collected them for some other purpose and then emailed them to Kennedy for reprocessing without authority.

1.14 The “Indian Runs” were completed as follows:-

Ø World Play was formerly known as Virtual Games Global. (VGG)

Ø Persons called John Campbell and Andrew Worling were employees of VGG (Gold Coast) at the time of the transactions and they worked under the direction of Greg Kennedy. We have spoken to these persons and they have provided us with intelligence in relation to this matter.

Ø The credit card information came from a source known to Kennedy. It was thought that this person was named Tom Devine.

Ø The data information for the “Indian Run” transactions was transmitted electronically to VGG.

Ø Worling, under direction from Kennedy processed the “Indian runs” at the offices of VGG and Gentech while he was working there.

Ø 1.6.6After being loaded onto an electronic spreadsheet, it was hand delivered to the offices of a Gold Coast company called Ritech Pty Ltd, by Andrew Worling. A director of Ritech is a person called Bernard Mulchay.

Ø 1.6.7Ritech Pty Ltd had a National Australia Bank Limited (NAB) merchant facility and was able to process the transactions. We have confirmed these transactions with Ritech.

Ø 1.6.8Ritech received the spreadsheets containing a large amount of credit card detail, processed the credit cards for various amounts as instructed by Kennedy and later forwarded these funds to Kennedy by his bank accounts (V.G. Global & Harrowford Developments) held at the Surfers Paradise branch of the NAB. It is believed that Kennedy then had the funds transferred off shore. It is believed that Harrowford Developments is a British Virgin Islands Incorporated Company.

Ø The “charge back” rate on the transactions amounted to as high as 48% on some “runs” (Card holders disputing the transactions).

Ø The NAB terminated Ritech's merchant facility and have since attempted to recover funds from this entity against losses.

Ø At this stage it appears that Kennedy and others have, through the unauthorised processing of credit cards, have fraudulently obtained at least between $850,000 and $1,360,000 in funds.

2. Investigations:

2.1 During the course of our investigations, a number of persons have been interviewed, or spoken to. These persons include:

Andrew Worling
Age 32
Res: 2/12 Dulpera Street, Chevron Island, 4217.

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Bernard Mulchay
Age: unknown
63 Cavill Avenue, Surfers Paradise 4217
*Ritech Internet Services
Suite 3 Ferry Road Plaza
Ferry Road, Southport 4215

Christopher Gregory
Age: Approx 45
*Gentech P/L
2nd Level *****tel Building, Bond University,
Corner of Main Street and Varsity Parade, Robina 4226.
*World Play (Virtual Games Global)
2nd Level *****tel Building, Bond University,
Corner of Main Street and Varsity Parade, Robina 4226.

2.2 As indicated the information appears to have been provided by a person called “Tom Devine”. If this is correct, this person may be of Scottish origin and reside in the United Kingdom. Kennedy is said to have a very long history in his working relationship with Tom Devine. Kennedy is believed to have boasted to Worling, Campbell and others that he had been involved with Devine in other business ventures and that Devine was involved with a Telemarketing business in India. It is purported that this is the origin of the credit card details that were used in the ‘Indian runs’.

2.3 Kennedy was known to have conducted third party credit card transactions though sources in New Zealand and in London. In New Zealand, a boutique motel called Corstephine House (ANZ merchant) was used and later its merchant facility was terminated by the bank. In London, a merchant facility operated by a company called Frugal Escrow was apparently also used as a “third party” processor. It also had its merchant facility terminated.

2.4 After intense perusal of the attached documentation, it is apparent that Kennedy was the person that organised the ‘Indian runs’ to be conducted through VGGlobal and Ritech. The associated credit card details were received by Kennedy and then electronically transferred to VGGlobal.

2.5 On or about the 19th of September 2001, Kennedy introduced the first of the ‘Indian run’ credit card transactions into the VGGlobal system.

2.6 Worling has stated that there were only four ‘Indian runs’ as such, from Devine to Kennedy and that Kennedy ‘Scrubbed’ or assisted in ‘scrubbing’ or ‘washing’ the detailed information prior to forwarding it to VGGlobal for processing. The documentation to follow suggests there was considerably more than that.

2.7 Further, Worling stated that John Campbell was responsible for having processed the first two lots of Indian run data through VGGlobal. He stated that he did the last two lots of data himself while at the offices of Gentech and Consolidated Management Services – all sharing the same office space and data storage facilities as VGGlobal.

2.8 Worling stated that the data from the Indian runs was not sent in any one email. It was sent some at a time and was received in to the electronic email system at VGGlobal on a daily basis. It was then processed along with all of the other VGGlobal data and forwarded to Ritech for completion of the transaction. According to Worling this process took place over several months from in or about the 19th of September 2001 to or about the middle of April 2002.

2.9 Worling also stated that the Consolidated Management Services data bases which hold the record of these transaction processes, are still contained on computer systems in the offices of Gentech and VGGlobal at Bond University in Robina Queensland, and that these computer systems would have the information that would identify those transactions, and implicate Kennedy.

2.10 In an effort to identify factual information and evidence which identifies the direct connection between Greg Kennedy and the ‘Indian Runs’, we are able to provide a summary of the enclosed documentation:-

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Copy of Email: Dated 8 November 2001: From Worling to Greatguy73@hotmail.com and Consolidated Management Services (a) acknowledging the Indian transactions as a matter separated from that of VGGlobal and standing alone in its identity. (b) Acknowledgement of the high charge back rate and the associated dollar figure.

Copy of Email: Dated 30 November 2001: From Worling to ‘Rodney’ (a) Worling identifies the Indian transactions as a separate group of transactions to those of VGGlobal. (b) The wording also indicates the general knowledge of those persons involved with VGGlobal and Consolidated Management Services of the Indian run transactions.

Copy of Email: Dated 5 December 2001 from ‘Rodney’ to Worling to Ritech to John Campbell, (a) Specifically identifying actual Indian run transactions as having been completed on 3rd November 2001 by exact dollar value, (b) the email itself is an acknowledgement that all parties had full knowledge of the potential value of the Indian runs. (c) The jovial and apparent indication of expressed elation in the closing remark: “enjoy >:)”

Copy of Email: Dated 11 December 2001: From Gary ------ ccordernow@hotmail.com (Tom Devine) to Worling and VGGlobal (a) An Identification by closing signature that the Indian run information came directly from Tom Devine. (b) Linked by addressee of origin on the email to Devine’s email address. (c) Admission that the data was prepared for credit card transactions. (d) A pre-determined $ amount was given for those transactions in mass. (E) Devine’s offer to have the data sent directly to VGGlobal for convenience.

Copy of one Email: Dated Monday 7 January 2002, From Devine to Kennedy forwarded to Worling. This clearly indicates: (a) Devine’s supply of Indian information to Kennedy, (b) Implied INTENT. Devine’s knowledge that the credit card data had been used previously, to the point of acknowledging some had been approved, declined or rejected, (c) Devine’s admission that the data had been “scrubbed” indicating changed or altered. (d) Instruction to Kennedy on how to prepare the data for further transaction, (e) Pre-determined $ amount at which the transactions would be run in mass, (f) Implied INTENT. Kennedy’s actions in forwarding this data with this knowledge for the continuance of these transactions. (g) Positive identification of the communicators by the attached personal email addresses.

Copy of Email: Dated 10 January 2002: From B Mulcahy to Worling at VGGlobal, (a) Clear acknowledgement that the Indian Runs are a separate transaction process in their own rite, (b) Acknowledgement that there would be an electronic trail of that information, (c) Mulcahy’s acknowledgement of the use and process of the Indian Run data both directly to an overseas source and to VGGlobal: thus identifying VGGlobal’s direct connection with the Indian Run transactions.

Copy of Printout: Totals of billing runs from 29 Nov 01 to 16 Dec 01 referring to 5 Indian run transactions numbered 1-5. (a) This document is a comprehensive break down of five Indian run transactions that clearly identifies these transactions as non-VGGlobal but still requiring detailed documentation and accountability to VGGlobal from Ritech. (b) This document also shows a Payment figure for the transactions run to the 17th December 2001 of $223,408.24. (c) Statement that further transactions are in progress.

Copy of: Undated document which clearly identifies Transactions on 21/10, 26/10, 1/11, 29/11, and two on 3/12 of 2001 as being Indian Run Transactions and giving full payout breakdowns of each respectively.

Copy of: Ritech printout of Runs conducted for VGGlobal from 28 September 2001 to 18 December 2002.

2.11 While there are several other copies of emails which make similar admissions, the above clearly outlines the direct associations of each party and exposes their clear knowledge of the Indian run transactions and their intentional continued involvement therewith. They further tie the above named parties to clear association with Greg Kennedy and Tom Devine as the origin and suppliers of the data used and the direction behind the Indian run transactions.

2.12 On Wednesday the 25th of September 2002, as part of ongoing inquiries, an interview was conducted with Chris Gregory of Gnetech: immediate business associate of Greg Kennedy.

3. Christopher Gregory.

3.1 Mr. Chris Gregory is currently the Research and Development Manager of World Play, which he stated is a ‘virtual stock market game’ that has world wide members, via the Internet, trade in virtual stocks. The software is provided by Gentech, a company situated at the *****tell Building on Varsity Drive, Robina in the state of Queensland.

3.2 This interview was recorded and a copy of the recording is provided with this report.

3.3 Gregory was interviewed at the offices of Gentech. Questions by our investigators related to the role that Gentech and VGGlobal had in the utilization of credit card information used in transactions by Ritech. These transactions were known as “Indian Runs.” Gregory claimed that at the time of these transactions, VGGlobal was using Ritech as a clearing house for financial transactions.

3.4 He stated that he physically witnessed the transaction spreadsheet on at least one occasion and knew that is contained credit card details associated with the Indian runs.

3.5 He admitted that he became suspicious about the transactions, stating that they had ‘smelled a rat’.

3.6 He stated he thought the transactions were suspect and maybe illegal because of a comment made by Kennedy that HE thought the process may have been illegal. He claimed he could not remember why Kennedy had made the comments.

3.7 He claimed that the Indian run transactions were separate transactions to those of the membership of VGGlobal.

3.8 He acknowledged that his son Stephen Gregory had set up and constructed all of the computer software and programs for VGGlobal.

3.9 He stated that Kennedy’s company had had similar financial difficulties with a bank in London.

3.10 About this time during the interview, Gregory’s conduct suddenly changed from being initially informative to an almost instant total denial. He suddenly denied knowledge of the “Indian Run” transactions. He claimed there was no electronic transfer of data and claimed that he did not know how the information was received by VGG. He also became very broad and evasive in his answers. Gregory stated that the people to talk to were Greg Kennedy and Andrew Worling because Kennedy would have the answers to our questions.

3.11 In effect he did a complete about face from his earlier comments.

3.12 This was in part, due to the arrival of another unidentified adult male person at the door of the office whilst the interview was being conducted.

3.13 Mr. Gregory has agreed to source information and provide a full statement to us in relation to this matter.

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3.14 Draft statements provided by John Campbell and Andrew Worling are attached hereto.

3.15 We are also informed that Kennedy has attempted to operate his internet business in Norway with out the proper licensing, causing the Norwegian Government to declare him and his company in breach of the law. We are lead to believe that one person has recently been arrested and the Norwegian Police are still conducting inquiries into the matter. This matter was reported by the Courier Mail Newspaper on Wednesday 18 September 2002

3.16 Kennedy has also intimated his ability to move to an overseas location on a permanent basis if necessary, and in fact has recently and suddenly moved his family from his rented Carindale residence to an unknown location. Kennedy is a well travelled individual and a man of considerable contacts and resources around the world. We are lead to believe he may be planning to abscond.


4. Conclusion:

4.1 The attached emails show that Devine and Kennedy knew the credit card data they were passing on to VGGlobal for transaction purposes had been previously used and it appears they conspired between themselves and with the assistance of Worling, Gregory, and Ritech, to run the transactions again, with the intention of obtaining unlawfully solicited funds on the credit accounts of others and without regard of the law.

4.2 The interview with Gregory gives credibility to this statement in that Gregory claimed he knew there was something illegal about the Indian Runs and that Kennedy had told him this as well.

4.3 The interview conducted with Chris Gregory makes it very clear that these parties are all still protecting each other because of their knowledge of the facts involving these transactions. Gregory told us certain things. Someone then approached him and he instantly changed his story.

4.4 The attached records cover transactions that took place between early October 2001 and early January 2002. They are not believed to be the only transactions undertaken by VGGlobal during that period of time but are believed to be directly related the transactions known as ‘Indian Runs’ and are sufficient to provide a clear indication of the method in which the ‘Indian’ data was used.

4.5 Examination of the attached records of these transactions, show that the October transactions consisted of completely different consumer credit card detail than the November group of transactions. As there is no obvious previous data to compare it with: it is unclear if these transactions are of a fraudulent nature.

4.6 However: Indian Run transaction number 6 contains data and credit card details of consumers that appear again in Indian Runs Numbers 9,10, 11,& 12.

4.7 In addition, Indian Run number 9 was transacted on 26 October 2001 and on the same day there is another billing run that consists of almost exactly the same content but has been rearranged by alphabetizing and numerical order. This appears to be an attempt to provide a second run at the transactions without an obvious copy cat appearance.

4.8 The Indian Run transactions numbering 9 through 12 contain a great deal of data which has been duplicated on each run and in some instances, any one consumer has been charged multiple counts within each individual Indian Run.

4.9 Within this report there are some instances of eailed communication between the parties involved. The cpies of which are placed into the report in chronological order by date to provide an accurate assessment of the intended meaning and worth of the communication. This has assisted in clearly identifying Greg Kennedy as the person in control of the Indian Runs as processed by Consolidated Management Services and Transacted by Ritech.

4.10 The statements and claims made by Chris Gregory strongly support the belief that Kennedy planned, organised and physically assisted the performance of these transactions with the intention of obtaining funds unlawfully. Tom Devine’s personal admission by email, that he had ‘scrubbed’ second hand data for Kennedy’s use clearly shows Kennedy’s knowledge of and wilful involvement in the facilitation of this apparent criminal offence of Fraud.

4.11 Further, the enclosed communication offers evidence that there is an electronic record of all the Indian Run transactions somewhere. Chris Gregory’s admission that the information had come through his office via the internet, and then his subsequent reversal and attempt to convince our investigator that no data had been received through his office, indicates that there are complete records available now through, the offices of Gentech, VGGlobal and Greg Kennedy at Robina. We suspect that if you were to forensically examine the computers in these offices, you would identify the electronic data confirming the existence the emails and the spreadsheets as attached in the hardcopies.






4.12 We believe that the NAB will corroborate all transactions through it’s Ritech Merchant facility records. A search of this merchant facility should produce records which show each credit card that was unlawfully processed. Furthermore, we believe that, if approached by yourself, the Ritech directors will assist you with your investigations, including Kennedy’s procurement of these transactions.

4.13 We also believe that Kennedy’s / Hereford Developments’ Surfers Paradise Branch NAB accounts will show the receiving and transferring of funds from Ritech in relation to these transactions and the transferring of such funds from these accounts offshore.


5. Attachments.

5.1 CD recordings of interview with Chris Gregory
5.2 Individually packaged data sheets of Indian Run credit card details.
5.3 Copies of Emailed documentation as stated above.
5.4 Statement of Andrew Worling.

[james11]

The above report show you what kind of people and methods the company is founded on. Stay away from this scam!

[ken-erik]

Originally Posted by james11

The above report show you what kind of people and methods the company is founded on. Stay away from this scam!

Okay james11

Sure you have done aloth of good job looking at this consept..

Unfortantly it is not all true.... and you are twisting words...

Why dont you please tell us all, what MLM company you are working with :D

First off all

Australian court does not Comply World Wide..
Secondly this not an issue of WorldGamesInc the brand of Pacific Delta Investments Limited.
With this addres:

Pacific Delta Investments LTD
Offshore Incorporations LTD
Offshore incorporations Centre
Tortola,
VG

phone: 0061756575xxx

If you have questions regarding this court compliance and the thing going on in Canada(not started up in court yeth) and sweden (That WGI Won!!)

Then send a email to pressinquiries@worldgamesinc.com

If you wanna know about the norwegian tax office thougth about around 12.500 WGI members not paying their tax for around 450 million Norwegian kroner NOK.. Because they told some friends about WGI.. then please email
pressinquiries:

Press CEO: Lise Halvorsen

Phone direct: 0047 22 07 71 05
Operation call centre: 22 07 70 00
Email: lise.halvorsen@skatteetaten.no

Here is some url's for you to look at... then you might get an other opinion..
the Url's are all conected to WorldGamesInc operations World Wide..

http://www.worldgamesinc.com (Main Site)
http://www.illf.com (Charitys supported by WGI)
http://www.sweepstakes8.com (Lottery i EU country run by WGI)
http://www.igcouncil.org (Controlling the WGI casino)
http://www.iggba.org.uk/ (Controlling the WGI casino)
http://www.victorchandler.com (Our 45 years old experienced supplyer of WGI oddsbetting)
http://www.WebTRADE.NET (Company running our founds from card transakions)

http://www.chartwelltechnology.com/ (delivering and maintaining WGI Casino CyberBoss system)
http://www.globelot.org/ (EU Lottery supporting WGI)
http://www.hrw.org/ (Recive charity founds from WGI weekly)
http://www.ifrc.org/ (recive charity from WGI Weekly)
http://www.blitztrade.de/index_en.htm (Running The SMG GAME!)

UH!!OKAY.. :)
Belive you can trace,ping,WHOIS.. email them and then Call them... Or
what ever you wanna do with those URL's
Then you can contact them and tell them, that they are a scam!

And i'm sure all those guys like to be assosiated with a pyramid scheme..


Intead of posting crap like this read the inform.
I'm sure you meant it well.. :confused:

[TheCosmopolitan]

Scam or not scam?
(sorry my (english amarican) is not so god!)
I have been member of WGI for about
12 month BUT!
in that time I have spend
€10 a week on sweepstake. invested €500 in SMG
I have got about €500 in commison from WGI
Spend them in shares, took them out with lost €945 got €675
back to my account.
Have waited on them for 1 month now to arive on my bank account (the have still not transfeerd them (heard rumors it can take up till 2-3 months. if I ever see them??)
I will be back if ever recive the money then I will let you know!
I have invested total about €1.250 got 675 back
that will say I have lost €575.(god business for some one in WGI)
even I had a downline on 40 people??????????????
they dont generate money, 80% dont buy sweepstakes.
The Virtual SMG marked have stand on 11 cents since I joined up and down mostly laying stil on 11-12 cents.....
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I can say following this is my last MLM game I spend money in!
I am widrawing my assets....
As my old dad said: THE LAST IDIOT IS NOT BORN YET
And you learn from your experiance, NOT to lisen to other "experts"
As we say: Burn kids is afraid of fire!
:mad:

[ken-erik]

TheCosmopolitan

As my old dad said: THE LAST IDIOT IS NOT BORN YET

That is for sure :-)
Sorry to read that your Downline have died out, and that you have sold out of the SMG game with lost..
I have for my self been a member since summer 2002, with my step father as sponsor and Mads Oestvang as my Mentor in WGI.
Everything have worked out fine for me.
I also do not agree on everything Greg Kennedy and management does, but i have meet this fellow man and his crew...
So therfore i must say i'm very impressed with what those guys have done and accomplised..
I do not know where you have your downline, and where you have been building your nettwork..
But if you would like... i can help you start up your network again, and get those guys of yours upprunning again...
Regarding your found, that you are waiting for throug WireTransfer or SWIFT.
There i can tell you aloth... You will have it on your card or on your account within weeks now..
If you would like it. You can contakt me through Skype or email.
PM me or add ken-erik at your skype.com accout.
I'm in contact with my uppline several times during a week.
I'm sure that we can jump start your network again..
What i know for sure, it that WGI is the best thing that ever have happend to me..
Eventhoug it have been having it's up and down's..

[NETGURU]

Wow WGI is now open in the USA again and the membership is FREE so doesn't cause problems with pyramid laws.

Good stuff

tom
www.payrise.org

[ken-erik]

Originally Posted by NETGURU

Wow WGI is now open in the USA again and the membership is FREE so doesn't cause problems with pyramid laws.

Good stuff

tom
www.payrise.org

Hssssssssss ....

Don't SCREAM it out, THAT loud!!! :p

We can't have people signing up at http://www.worldgamesinc.com
With ken_erik as a sponsor, and his Client Id: 141446 DO WE???

NO!

He is way 2 buzzy building Scandinavinan, Brazilian and Netherlands country's STILL..

No ONE would EVER like having that kind of people below them in their downline...:rolleyes:
..... I think .....;)
Enjoy Life Folks..

[hellobello100]

This is some gambling company. One of a kind. Put your money in, gamble with them, have fun with them. Do what you want, but dont try to take winnings out. That isnt possible. It hasnt been possible since july 2004. In Scandinavia several people are facing bankruptcy due to missing payout from WGI.

That is the truth.

[NETGURU]

True but I firmly believe that this time next month it'll be a different story. New pay solution opens in 2 weeks with 4 others coming into play in February.

tom

[hellobello100]

To believe is something that is done when something cant be said for sure.

There has been promises said regularly from the managment regarding payouts.

I have been a member since january 2002. I have build a large downline. I have earned money. but know I feel that it is necessary to warn others.

WGI cant be trusted. Thats the fact.

Sure they may come with a solution for transferring money out, but that doesnt change the fact that they have lied a numerous times.

Businessmen that isnt telling the truth, cant be trusted.

Up to a aprox a year ago WGI had a big growth in their membership base, specially in Norway. Now there has been just a couple of hundred members joining each week. The you can ask yourself why?

World Leaders have talked about have big growth that can be expected in the rest of the world. But little happends. There was a lot of hype regarding expectations for big growth in England a couple years ago. Little happend! Why?

WGI was perfect for Scandinavia, specially Norway. People in Norway has much money. We are used to Internet. We are used to computers. We spend much time in our homes and so on. This isnt aso in other countries.

The last stunt was that we should expect a big growth in Brazil. It was expected a membership growth up to 600 000 members in the last 4 months of 2004. Of course we know that the figure most likely is that 600 joined there. All leaders where shouting and yelling and telling people to go to Brazil. Now we hear nothing.

The leaders are very incompetent. It is sorry to say. Also the income potential is very little. The compensation plan is held secrete for the members. The list goes on and on......

[TheCosmopolitan]

WGI IS DEAD DONT INVEST ANY MORE MONEY IN WGI
I asked for 6 months ago to widthdraw my money from WGI - they dont replay on Support anymore 4 tickets has been supplied - no answers..
they have removed all e-mail addresses and phone numbers from the page...
the only thing you can get in contact with WGI is the support AND they DONT answer anymore.........................
I have "loost" €7900 I have gained in the stock marked game, I see this money as lost now................

So my WARNING is DONT invest in WGI it´s dead...................

if any of you clever WGI people out there can prove to me that they have got money out of WGI for the last half year - so lets se prof on it!

This warning comes from one off SPAINs biggest downline owners in WGI.

[ken-erik]

Originally Posted by TheCosmopolitan

WGI IS DEAD DONT INVEST ANY MORE MONEY IN WGI
I asked for 6 months ago to widthdraw my money from WGI - they dont replay on Support anymore 4 tickets has been supplied - no answers..
they have removed all e-mail addresses and phone numbers from the page...
the only thing you can get in contact with WGI is the support AND they DONT answer anymore.........................
I have "loost" €7900 I have gained in the stock marked game, I see this money as lost now................

So my WARNING is DONT invest in WGI it´s dead...................

if any of you clever WGI people out there can prove to me that they have got money out of WGI for the last half year - so lets se prof on it!

This warning comes from one off SPAINs biggest downline owners in WGI.

Woopa!
Back again...
Well since you asked... Frode Berg have recived money... others as well...
You also might ask Your Upline Steinar Amundsen .. i Belive...
http://www.webtrade.net and http://www.ccard.net/ (Click at bottom for more info) will cure all problems during next week...
So to have your first pay check ready... do like me..
Keep working...

Enjoy

[viking335]

Your talking CRAP my friend.
WGI had business partners with realy industry credibility.
Victor Chandler, Globelot and have made no claims that they cannot back up.
In fact it is the most successfull MLM company in the last 4 years, yes this scam has been running 4 years. Most scams collapse within 12 months.
Your story about Canada is true but that was another example of success being shot down.
Now you can join WGI free and still earn money and in our casino win or lose you still get paid. What's wrong with that hmmmmmmmmmm I know to good to be true.
Just go to www.worldgamesinc.com and register free.
My user name is pointandgo my id is 258680.
Get your facts right before you shoot us down. :mad:

[viking335]

hold on too your stocks as they will move to the London Stock Market, no forecast but if you have 30000 shares you might just make a few quid.

[viking335]

those who are selling take care and stop being stupid call your uplines for advice

[victim]

WGI is broke and they do not have the kind of money to pay their members

A real life encounter from a member still waiting for his money after 10 months

I have been a member with WGI since 2002 and is currently waiting for a refund from them for almost a year after the jurisdiction block in my country. There are still many members not paid and the management is not even attending to their case and choose to give crap reasons blaming the members, the bank, the payment processor (Pay2) and any other excuses just to delay payment. They are simply not paying their members and it is a fact.

Stock Market Game (SMG)

For those who are still pumping money into the SMG (Stock Market Game) thinking you will make a fortune out of it, good luck to you. The good old days are gone and the shares fell from 1 Euro to the low of 0.03 Euro in 2004 so what kind of game is this?

- First they offered members the share split (1:15) and resulting in over supply of shares to see the share price tumble to 1SF and remain stagnent for almost 3 months (Dec 2003)

- The floor of 1Sf was removed to let the share fluctuate and fell to 0.65SF (Feb 2004)

- Soon after they offered a 1 to 1 conversion from Swiss Franc to Euros which saw the share price tumble to all time low of 0.03 Euros (March 2004)

- Now they are telling members to hold on to their shares or buy more as they will be listed in the LSE. (Dec 2004)

- Lately, they are also planning to end the SMG game pending some annoucements. (Dec 2004)

All this happen in the 12 months and if you still see potential in this game, i wish you luck.

Withdrawal of Money

For those who are still waiting for your money to be wired to you, you may have to wait even longer if not forever. Members are sucked dry of their hard earned money and worst of all, even selling at a loss now does not see their money coming back to them.

Their payment processor Pay2 was discontinued in June 2004 and members have no other option but to wire their money back to their account. They were told that it would take 1 - 2 months but many are still not getting their money after 10 months.

Contact Support

Their contact support is not even responding to the member's query and the usual reply will be "we will look into the matter and get back to you as soon as possible". You will get this same reply no matter what issue you bring up and this is true.

Even their VIP support whereby selected leaders could gain access to are giving every possible excuse to delay payment issues. They would reply asking for documents and proof over and over again just to buy time. Worst of all, they would change a new staff to handle the outstanding cases and this would require verification all from the start again ... of course to delay and buy time so as not to pay their members.

Members waiting for their refunds are told to wait for their new payment gateway which is coming in a few weeks. We have heard that since last year and till today, nothing is done to resolve it. In Dec 2004, a Singapore bank was tasked to handle the wire transfer in hope to resolve the payment issues but even till today, members are still not getting their money. Another excuse to buy time and hold back money.

As the wire transfer piles up, their excuse is that the bank cannot cope with the huge volume. They could have send out payment by checks to lighten their load but chose not to and instead wait for a solution. Members have to bear with their inefficiency having to tie their money up with this company. Absolutely rubbish and it really surprises me there are still firm believer in such businesses whereby millionaire once was reduced to ashes overnight and they are still blinded by their faith.

Casino & Earnings

When members put in money to play the games, they are not allowed to withdraw their capital for a period of time due to clearance from the bank. They have to wait between 30 to 60 days before the funds are free for withdrawal. The more money you put in, the higher your retention so what kind of casino is this whereby you cannot cash out your winnings and end up losing them all when it is stuck in the company. Be it win or lose, the company is holding your money so can you imagine how much money is held up in the company's bank?

Members fund their account to play games by credit cards which is instant but have to wait donkey years to get their money out. Don't be too happy should you win on the casino tables before you actually see your money back. Would be a wiser choice to donate them to charities instead since you won;t be getting them back after all.

Ever wonder why they are not paying their members?

- Exchange rates have gone up for Euros and they are suffering from a loss as a result. The Euros have risen by alomost 10% in face value since last year and their losses is growing by days.

- With the launch of World Member means members join for free and they have no revenue unless they pump in cash to play games or upgrade. They lost a huge income source as a result to cover their pyramid selling accusation.

- SMG have been all time low since the beginning of 2004 and members have seen their money stuck even till today. 1000 Euros then is now worth 50 Euros so can you see how many have got their pockets burnt as a result. They have no choice but to put in more money in order to even out (provided they have the cash) or leave their money to rot.

- Casino players are not able to withdraw their winnings and end up losing most of they money in the long run. Win-Win situation for the company & lose-lose for members.

- Pay2 is closed and members have to wait for their money by wire transfer. With the back log of wire transfers since June 2004, you will never know when you will ever see your money again. An excellent excuse to put members on the waiting list.

No wonder there are always list of excuses when comes to payment and for a simple reason, they just refuses to pay members eagerly waiting for their money.

Members in Brazil - Please Note

When I joined WGI in 2002, things were beautiful and the concept was excellent. I was very enthusiastic about this business before and even thought of making it big in years but not any longer. A dream have turned nightmare and the slightest thought of having your friends and relative to get entangle in the above business is too high of a risk to take.

There have been allegations that WGI is running a pyramid selling and they have been modifying their business model to get away with this.

- So what if WGI can proof that they are not a pyramid selling and members can sign up for free.

- It doesn't matter that WGI is in partnership with reputable companies in running their casino, sports betting and lottery

- What's the point of having a book written about WGI,it is just another business strategy, promotional gimmic or smoke screen to lure in innocent victims

- Who cares if the are giving away 3G phones to their members, there is no FREE lunch in this world for goodness sake.

- It is even more scary to see this company listed in the LSE.

they are just not paying their members and this is true

We have heard of how Germany became a blocked jurisdiction then in 2003 and members got their refund. I am sure you would have also heard that when Singapore became a blocked jurisdiction, members were offered a full refund to show that the company is sincere. Trust me, things aren't the way you see it as the truth will be revealed soon.

They have tried to conqure the Asia market but failed due to the strict legislation in many asian countries. The focus was then on Brazil and soon USA.

It won't take long for you to hear of another blocked jurisdiction when they are about to enter the USA market and members will be offered a refund elsewhere. You will never know which country is going to be in the blocked jurisdiction next but when they get into the list, be prepared that you will be left stranded high and dry. This is a game of big fish catches the small fish ... they will forgo the smaller market in order to get a hold of a bigger market....

I hate to write this but WGI has left me with no alternative but to bring this issue public. Go round asking your leaders to see if they dare deny the above facts if you do not agree with me.

To me, this is not an issue about legality or pyramid selling but about credibility in paying members their money. So for goodness sake stay away from this company and if you think they are growing fast ... think trice before you ever sign up.

[Patience]

Growing pains in companies that are 1st in their field are not unusual.

An independent author has even written a book about it:

http://www.petebillac.com

[David B]

I am a member of WGI. The world seemed a wonderful place at the start of my WGI experience. After the last stock market (virtual) split the price dropped like a stone, and the value of the stock is almost worthless.
The book written by Pete Billac which is used to promote WGI is long out of date. There are supposed to be three (3) revenue streams that 'force' the stock to be bought and therefore increase the value of the stocks. Obviously this is not happening these days.
I sold some of this virtual stock last October and today i am still waiting for my money. WGI is very quick to take a person's money but when it comes to paying out they do not seem to be interested.
After 4 months of waiting and having my correspondence to WGI support never answered, I can only come to the conclusion that this is a case of Internet Fraud, yet another scam. I would add that if WGI did respond I might feel differently, but alas they do not.

I would like to warn all who are considering joining WGI to beware. If you join you may have a similar story to tell.

[ken-erik]

C-card is in place last week in Feb-05.. Mid March the pay2 card is reactivated..
So just CHILL guys..

Money is No Prob..

Use gift cerfiticates to get your money.. and build your biz as well...
Here in Norway we have been doing that for months..

[hellobello100]

Pete Billac isnt so independent as many members make it seem!
There is a tendancy that members seem to be somewhat overentusiastic about twisting the facts a little bit to make it look better. Neither is he so rich and successfull as he so enthusiastic speaches about on meetings.
He writes with big letters just to make a little material into a book. His "book" is more like a brochure.

In the latest edition of an economic magazine "Kapital" in Norway it is stated that Greg Kennedy was broke and that he drove an old BMW in 2001. This in strong contrast to the picture painted of him by the leaders. Greg Kennedy is supposed to be a big succesfull businessman with gemstone and diamond mines round the world. He is supposed to be a billionaire according to the leaders. Now after 4 years he has build a big resort on Fiji and has a new car with a private driver. He also has a private jet.

And this is the man that norwegian members defends. He has become rich on this scam!

What irritates me is that probably everybody is going to get away with it. Greg can live happily ever after on his resort on Fiji while the norwegian members are the big loosers.

[hellobello100]

Ken Erik writes that Frode Berg has received money. Why has he quit and started working with a company called Digital eshopper?
He was tired of the whole thing. Nothing is like the company says.

Steinar Amundesn is one of the so calles world leaders in WGI so it worries me that he got money and no one else. We have a name for this and that is called after an old egyptian building.

[TheCosmopolitan]

Let us say. god created the earth in 7 days
WGI promised me now 4 times in their news to pay me my money back €1700 since 8 Months ago.
I haven´t seen them yet.

Listent to all them who are complaining!
including me?
You think we do this if there wasen´t anything about what we are saying?

I am a old dog in this game!!!
and I KNOW they screwed me!
if I will see my money back again my odds: 1:Million (they are better chance in LOTTO)

You should do like I did!
Warn you downline and friends tell them they should go a
give the money they have inside WGI to WFF or and other charity organisation, becaurse you don´t get them from WGI anyway!..
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YOU ARE RESPONSABLE FOR YOUR DOWNLINE
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Do like me go to them say WGI screwed you, and you are sorry
and WGI is dead.........
That´s what I did!

Ps I am starting a REAL MLM Soon where nowbody get screwed!
With real creditcards, real products, and real profit to all!
with livehelp and full support 24/7
thats the right way to do it!

[bjm67]

Greg Kennedy is a scammer. I know for a fact. He is a dog.. :(

Be warned. Those who say he is great are no doubt involved in his scams.

he will be brought down one day and get what he deserves.

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[sealhunter]

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