World Ventures

iwonder2 · #1 10-28-2005, 08:06 AM

Here is a unique opportunity to discuss and critique a company before it opens its doors. So any information would be greatly appreciated. Just the facts mamam'.

IntheKnow · #2 10-28-2005, 02:39 PM

First ra ra meeting
Hotel Zsa Zsa
Saturday 12-5

Doing Research · #3 10-28-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwonder2

Here is a unique opportunity to discuss and critique a company before it opens its doors. So any information would be greatly appreciated. Just the facts mamam'.

This was posted on the other World Ventures site. STAY AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE, THEY ARE ALL SCAMMERS....READ BELOW!!!
Well, where to start. I know Mike Azcue for one is one of the founders and I would not trust him as far as I could throw him. I believed at one point he was my friend until he lied to me over and over again about GTT. I truly believe he is a con artist just as Ron Armstrong is and it seems as though he has been doing this for some time now and all of a sudden people are starting to finally figure him out. He comes across as this honest christian like person when all he is doing is slithering his way into your pocket book for his own benefit. His business practices are horrible and if you have ever tried to get in touch with him after he has gotten what he wanted from you, it is impossible. OR, you get his wonderful "MALE" assistant Scott, seems kind of funny to me. He does not have time for you any longer because he is trying to slither his way into someone else's pocket. He has defended GTT up until he was "fired" last week because he wanted to be able to financially support his new fraudulant scam. That doesn't sound like a real honest person to me. Starting a new travel company does not happen over night and by him defending GTT most recently as 2 weeks ago tells me he was lying to everyone that GTT was in good shape, when all he was trying to do was keep his downline in place to try and move them or to at least continue to get a paycheck from GTT. Obviously GTT figured him out so he must be even more dishonest than Ron Armstrong, if you can believe that is possible. I feel sorry for the people who have not read posts on this site and keep getting scammed by Azcue and his buddies. If any of you have seen the email from Wes Melcher, that is about a joke as well. All he is is a obnoxious idiot that has made a living off of scamming people. Too bad his education has gone to waste. As far as Wayne, well, I know for a fact that this will be his 4th travel company. He owned one previous to Travelogia and then went down in the Travelogia bust and then GTT and now Would Venture. If he was going to get it right, I certainly thought he would have figured it out by now. Must not be very smart. Sure has conned alot of people out of alot of money. I have to give it to these guys, they have made alot of money, but I am not certain how they can sleep at night knowing the way they made the money is FRAUD. Best of luck to you all!

iwonder2 · #4 10-29-2005, 05:06 PM

whatever..hater...Porn is paying for everything big now. That is where the money is. I remember when Playboy was the worst slimmy product out there, and now is highly respected and sought out for its sponsorship. So dont call us haters...

Manchild22 · #5 10-29-2005, 07:43 PM

Which one are you married to or dating Suzzy or fluzzy?

iwonder2 · #6 10-29-2005, 11:40 PM

Both...Im starting a new downline

iwonder2 · #7 10-29-2005, 11:47 PM

any hear back from the Dallas Rah RAh meeting for WV?

iwonder2 · #8 10-30-2005, 05:27 PM

Well I just did! Man are they pumped! I ask myself "What can't WV do?"

Best website, best marketing tools, best pay tracking, best compensation plan, best Search engine, Best people? I'm changing my screen name to iwannaWVbaby

Doing Research · #9 10-30-2005, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwonder2

Well I just did! Man are they pumped! I ask myself "What can't WV do?"

Best website, best marketing tools, best pay tracking, best compensation plan, best Search engine, Best people? I'm changing my screen name to iwannaWVbaby

And to top if off.....BEST SCAMMERS!!!!! Way to go boys and girls!!!

Aleve · #10 10-31-2005, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwonder2

Well I just did! Man are they pumped! I ask myself "What can't WV do?"

Best website, best marketing tools, best pay tracking, best compensation plan, best Search engine, Best people? I'm changing my screen name to iwannaWVbaby

Are you being sarcastic? or serious?

iwonder2 · #11 11-02-2005, 05:13 AM

im serious...and signing up...

traveling man · #12 11-02-2005, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iwonder2

im serious...and signing up...

Good idea. Do you know anyone in WV currently? How did you hear about it? (you can private email me if you'd like)

HighwayMan · #13 11-02-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by traveling man

Good idea. Do you know anyone in WV currently? How did you hear about it? (you can private email me if you'd like)

Hey there traveling man, sell her/him my slot, lol. Don't you think it would be a good idea to tell her/him how many slots have been set aside?

See ya!
;)

oneword · #14 11-02-2005, 06:56 AM

I stand with my jaw to the ground! These men having been promoting GTT at all the corp meetings and at other places and all the time KNOWING full well that GTT was in trouble. Some people just have their noses so far up the butts of the so called "big Dogs" and do not want to see that just maybe, maybe they were wrong about these guys. One word explanation to that, PRIDE. One min people are walking away from these guys like they have pleague and the next they are pulling back the covers of the bed sheets for them and keeping thei.r spot warm. In my book that is called hypocritical. I personally do not care how "good" the set up is. I just do not want involved with the men in that company!! I am glad that they did not come over to CCW! We can contiue doing what we have been doing (booking travel) and go on. That is why I signed up. You can spot a slick willy a mile away and those boys have been slidding on the backs of everyone all their life Wake up people and take a long long look before you jump! You were not important enough to them before to be honest with you , what has changed? You think a tiger can change his stripes? All it takes is ANOTHER falling out and it will be time to jump ship,.......... again. But they got your money and maybe you got a little to....was it worth your integrity?
We will see.........
:confused:

oneword · #15 11-02-2005, 07:00 AM

oh yeah.......
fool me once shame on YOU.......fool me twice ....I'm an idiot!!!!!

traveldotcom · #16 11-03-2005, 02:34 AM

So... i here even ra is securing a spot in wv? yeah? y not. can't lick'em.

small upline · #17 11-04-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HighwayMan

Hey there traveling man, sell her/him my slot, lol. Don't you think it would be a good idea to tell her/him how many slots have been set aside?

See ya!
;)

tell me how slots have been set aside and what that means to me..please

small upline · #18 11-04-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by iwonder2

Both...Im starting a new downline

nice... I just found 2 more directs they are only 3 and 5 so it could pay off for them before move out go to college

HighwayMan · #19 11-05-2005, 10:46 PM

They were looking for perfection and they found it, lol!
Think I am kidding,,listen to the last pump you up call, lol.
http://www.byoaudio.com/play/WXb7HvNX

I sure hope you recognize the voice of the Perfect One who INTERRUPTED THE CALL AT THE END. He did not want you to hear of any more problems, lol.
;)

RealFacts · #20 11-07-2005, 07:28 PM

What is your IATA number? Do you have a CLIA number either? You are making some pretty bold statements on your calls and at your meetings. You will NEVER be able to deliver on the promises. The proper people are watching and listening and will take you down for past sins and new ones.

Your worthless travel card will not get you a free upgrade in prison. Nearly everyone gets a room (double occ usually no view)....

TG

PS....please challenge us! Please make stupid comments! It only motivates our team to take you down (again!)

PSS....is your nickname a joke based on Steve Little's lack of height?

Getitright · #21 11-08-2005, 06:59 AM

this thing is legit guys. If you don't get in on it your going to be kicking yourself. Wayne and Mike were smart enough to see that GTT wasn't adapting to the true potential of the industry so like true capitalist they went out and made a better product.

Something that most of you don't know is that the technology that World Ventures has is the only like it in the world. Also the travel side of it is a real product. Your not just paying for a fake card to get Fam trips, your actually buying into a travel club that is able to get deep discounts on trips by buying in huge bulk.

This company offers the first true product for MLM to sell in the industry.

see the truth at Michael.Worldventures.biz

oneword · #22 11-09-2005, 01:23 AM

DEAR GETITRIGHT

GET IT RIGHT!

You say don't hate the people that got scammed by the scammers. Ok what about the "good ole folks" that CONTINUED TO PROMOTE GTT (telling people to join x company!) knowing FULL WELL all the while that they were LEAVING TO MAKE A NEW COMPANY? You took my 399.00 knowing all the info the whole time about GTT, did not feel the need to say "why don't you wait until a little further down the road, oh say, 3 LOUSY STINKING MONTHS!!! then join MY COMPANY!

HMMMMM I think that is called

SCAMMING

Oh and P.S

I know for a fact the TX AG is, in fact investigating into World Ventures. Remember the apple does not fall far from the tree.................

believen · #23 11-12-2005, 05:32 AM

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What is your IATA number? Do you have a CLIA number either? You are making some pretty bold statements on your calls and at your meetings. You will NEVER be able to deliver on the promises. The proper people are watching and listening and will take you down for past sins and new ones.

Your worthless travel card will not get you a free upgrade in prison. Nearly everyone gets a room (double occ usually no view)....

World Ventures hasn't even "opened it's doors." You settle down, we'll save you a spot, at the bottom.

believen · #24 11-12-2005, 05:39 AM

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What is your IATA number? Do you have a CLIA number either? You are making some pretty bold statements on your calls and at your meetings. You will NEVER be able to deliver on the promises. The proper people are watching and listening and will take you down for past sins and new ones.

Your worthless travel card will not get you a free upgrade in prison. Nearly everyone gets a room (double occ usually no view)....

[b]Hey... give 'em a break. The company isn't even officially launched. I'm sure they'll save you a place, at the BOTTOM of the line.[b]

businessmom · #25 11-12-2005, 05:42 PM

World Ventures will have to work hard to get rid of the negative stigma of Gttrends
They will be handicapped by the fact that the *****s that be of IATAN, CLIA and
the AG have all flagged them as potential threat of fraud. It makes for a tough
beginning in the business. Unfortunately their charisma and excitement of cutting
away is *****full and many will enroll based on that ******. I hope the new enrollee's
who truly love the travel industry don't get humiliated when they are out traveling
and vendors won't endorse their credentials. There is always risk of loss in business
but the difference in loosing your financial shirt and loosing your integrity are two
different things. Tread carefully with World Ventures and be aware that the closet
is full of skeletons. Starting at the bottom would be wisdom with this one, let's see
what 6 months will bring. Will it be stability, will they prove their worth?

iwonder2 · #26 11-13-2005, 11:51 PM

ok...i have listened and watched...As most of you know, I am signed up and so far...I have seen nothing but Integrity! Everything that has been promised has been delivered. the Site is shaping up excellent, the collateral is awesome..the communication is constant and the customer support is FANTASTIC..it took 2 minutes to answer my email. What more do you want out of a start up....oh yeah...the money! Well, I will let you all know. I already have over 20 people in my org! 10 personally sponsered...

ItsCalledLife · #27 11-14-2005, 03:50 AM

WOW.. All this Negative ******!!! It is called Life people, If you think you got scammed with GTT call your credit Card company and File a complaint,,, thousands are!! I can honestly say that GTT exploded because it simply outgrew itsself, and could not keep up! I saved Thousands on my card all over the world, and I built a huge downline, of happy Travel Agents. Yes I am now in World Ventures, because I have enjoyed being in the travel industry, and its part of my life now! Yes GTT had the first brainstorm about travel, and now WV has improved on it 1000% dont hate, if you dont want to be involved then dont! I have been in WV for 1 week, I already have 50 agents, and they are all very excited,, Perfect Point,, the little MA and PA Diners,, sold the first Hamburger,,,, but then McDonalds came along and made millions, in franchise and improvment,, WV is my McDonalds...
A HAPPY TRAVEL AGENT!!

HighwayMan · #28 11-15-2005, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ItsCalledLife

WOW.. All this Negative ******!!! It is called Life people, If you think you got scammed with GTT call your credit Card company and File a complaint,,, thousands are!! I can honestly say that GTT exploded because it simply outgrew itsself, and could not keep up! I saved Thousands on my card all over the world, and I built a huge downline, of happy Travel Agents. Yes I am now in World Ventures, because I have enjoyed being in the travel industry, and its part of my life now! Yes GTT had the first brainstorm about travel, and now WV has improved on it 1000% dont hate, if you dont want to be involved then dont! I have been in WV for 1 week, I already have 50 agents, and they are all very excited,, Perfect Point,, the little MA and PA Diners,, sold the first Hamburger,,,, but then McDonalds came along and made millions, in franchise and improvment,, WV is my McDonalds...
A HAPPY TRAVEL AGENT!!

ItsCalledLife, who are we kidding here. Your pretty boys did not just have the idea to start a new company in July or August 2005. They have been working on this for a long time. The so-called leaders have had and will always continue to have such an ego that they and they alone know how things should be done, and they have done this before, many times before. Do your research! They finally found the reason to burn another company and move their downline again. Do you think they cashed the duplicate checks by accident? Oops, I accidently cashed both checks, even the one that was supposed to be lost in the mail, GET REAL HERE! How long have they been planning this scheme? The following is the registration on their www.worldtravel.com website. Notice any thing strange about the creation date? Could it be that they found a place to park their previous MLM downline while they got their own deal put together? You and their followers keep drinking the cool ade. But, this is exactly how they planned things happen. ItsCalledTheirScam, wouldn't you say? Ray Croc would roll over in his grave if he knew you were using his business model to justify this scam. Burger King did legitimately and honestly started a new competitor for McDonalds for sure. But, neither of us has ever heard of or seen a BK add trashing out MD or intentionally interfering with cash flow to justify a new company. Have your fun but just remember, the leaders of your new company have done this many times before and all you are to them is a position in one of their legs and only a position. Just a place to place new positions. Beware! Networking is the greatest method ever devised in the mind of a human to move goods and services to a consumer. Unfortunately, the MLM junkies are always looking for a better deal, even create them if needed. See ya in Vegas!

Domain Name: WORLDVENTURES.COM
Registrar: DOMAINDISCOVER
Whois Server: whois.domaindiscover.com
Referral URL: http://www.domaindiscover.com
Name Server: NS1.ONESTOP.NET
Name Server: NS21.RADISH.NET
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 02-nov-2005
Creation Date: 13-may-2002
Expiration Date: 13-may-2006

>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:28:56 EST <<<

Well, bless their little pretty boys pea picking hearts. Does that say May, 2002? No way, it just hit the pretty boys to start this year right?

;)

themoonlight · #29 11-15-2005, 02:20 AM

Hello,

I am new to these forums. I joined GTT a few months ago and was proposed to go to WorldVentures. I have not made a decision yet.

I see horrible reviews on this site about GTT but I travel a lot and I always got my discounts at hotel by calling in 14 to 30 days in advance. To me that was easily worth the $215. I can understand that some people hate MLM. Actually, it does suck and I will honestly say that it is not ethical but if you use the card for your travel, where is the problem?

I would like more info on WorldVentures travel card? Will it be as good as GTT. I do not care about the money in this business, only the travel matters, I am sure many people thinks like me. I had many of my business friends buy the card and are extremely happy about it.

So who cares that Cliff, Dave, Wayne, or whatever their name are actually making money off it. I got my $215 back just on my recent Bahamas trip.

Travel Gent · #30 11-16-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by themoonlight

Hello,

I am new to these forums. I joined GTT a few months ago and was proposed to go to WorldVentures. I have not made a decision yet.

I see horrible reviews on this site about GTT but I travel a lot and I always got my discounts at hotel by calling in 14 to 30 days in advance. To me that was easily worth the $215. I can understand that some people hate MLM. Actually, it does suck and I will honestly say that it is not ethical but if you use the card for your travel, where is the problem?

I would like more info on WorldVentures travel card? Will it be as good as GTT. I do not care about the money in this business, only the travel matters, I am sure many people thinks like me. I had many of my business friends buy the card and are extremely happy about it.

So who cares that Cliff, Dave, Wayne, or whatever their name are actually making money off it. I got my $215 back just on my recent Bahamas trip.

For one, do you sell travel (other than to yourself)? If the answer is NO, then you are unethical because you are stealing a perk designed by travel destinations for people in the real travel business of SELLING travel to others.

Saying the room was empty and would have generated no revenue is rubbish as well. You create lower margins that hurt employees and the bonuses of the staffs of these destinations.

By stealing from legit Travel Agents, you take away a perk they have enjoyed for years.

Now, as for Travel Agencies that have not embraced the brave new world of travel online, change or die. Just like any other business (see Blockbuster Video, for example---change or go away).

Your "Travel Savings Card" is what is going to send people to jail. Fraud and deception are the tricks of the trade for the gypsies of the ALUMS and the G5.

TG

businessmom · #31 11-22-2005, 05:28 AM

Hi Moonlight, don't make your move till you know there is a valid IATAN number
on WV's credentials. You may have to wait till January.

travel professional · #32 11-26-2005, 08:52 AM

I have no "deal" to promote.

However, I love travel and MLM, hate those who hurt this industry. Wayne has started 2 previous "failed" Travel companies. Both went under after thousands of reps lost $$. I lost no money, but lost credibility with those that knew me, because I trusted them. Ask about Smarttravel in Dallas. No money, rent unpaid for months, reps not getting paid, but Wayne kept promoting til he walked away blaming everybody else. Sound familiar? (Of course always someone elses fault). Then Travelogia, got them to change comp plan, built huge team,then quit...now they no longer exist. Then GTT, same M.O. Now World Ventures...which he was planning many many months ago. After 6 (1st 2 owned by Wayne)companies in 4 years(Travel Company #1, Smarttravel, US Healthadvisors, Travelogia, GTT, now WorldVentures), how many folks lost their money following Wayne and Jefferson. Not their fault though, just coincidence,...just ask them.

As a Networking pro for many years, I do not dislike them. Actually they are nice guys. I know them all personally. In fact, they are very good recruiters. Very good. Wayne and Mike, while Jefferson mostly follows. Those of you who know them, know I tell the truth. However I decided way back to never follow them again. It is interesting watching them bounce from deal to deal. Always trying to recruit me and others they know from the past.

I would never follow them again...ever. Whatever monies you make, it will be short time, and they will take your friends and family and team down. If history, repeats itself. Maybe the 6th time is the charm. I won't be around to find out.

travelgirl34 · #33 11-26-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by travel professional

I have no "deal" to promote.

However, I love travel and MLM, hate those who hurt this industry. Wayne has started 2 previous "failed" Travel companies. Both went under after thousands of reps lost $$. I lost no money, but lost credibility with those that knew me, because I trusted them. Ask about Smarttravel in Dallas. No money, rent unpaid for months, reps not getting paid, but Wayne kept promoting til he walked away blaming everybody else. Sound familiar? (Of course always someone elses fault). Then Travelogia, got them to change comp plan, built huge team,then quit...now they no longer exist. Then GTT, same M.O. Now World Ventures...which he was planning many many months ago. After 6 (1st 2 owned by Wayne)companies in 4 years(Travel Company #1, Smarttravel, US Healthadvisors, Travelogia, GTT, now WorldVentures), how many folks lost their money following Wayne and Jefferson. Not their fault though, just coincidence,...just ask them.

I hate to see false information posted on these sites. I've been around these guys a long time and I'd like to set the record straight! Yes, Wayne started Smarttravel, but the guys with the money that he brought on, had control of the company...not him, they sold it and the new guy ran in it into the ground following the first guys....and he never owned travelogia at all! Get your facts straight here. Travelogia went down because of Adam Gilmer being an all our crook. None of these guys owned one piece of that company. Or any of the others for that matter. What is wrong with being tired of working for a bunch of crooked people and then leaving to find something better....a company that can stand on it's own and give people the promise of a company that wants to stay around for a long time? I don't mind a good debate and people posting truth, but get it right before you blab opinions, try talking about what you really know.....

UtopiaTravel · #34 12-08-2005, 04:47 AM

one thing I have noticed about the nay sayers is that they post THE EXACT SAME THING on every thread about WorldVentures. Do you guys/or guy have these wrote down on wordperfect and copy and paste everything? Look back, they are word for word.

Don't let them scare you off. I am in and am happy with what I am seeing.

Toomuch · #35 12-08-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by travelgirl34

I hate to see false information posted on these sites. I've been around these guys a long time and I'd like to set the record straight! Yes, Wayne started Smarttravel, but the guys with the money that he brought on, had control of the company...not him, they sold it and the new guy ran in it into the ground following the first guys....and he never owned travelogia at all! Get your facts straight here. Travelogia went down because of Adam Gilmer being an all our crook. None of these guys owned one piece of that company. Or any of the others for that matter. What is wrong with being tired of working for a bunch of crooked people and then leaving to find something better....a company that can stand on it's own and give people the promise of a company that wants to stay around for a long time? I don't mind a good debate and people posting truth, but get it right before you blab opinions, try talking about what you really know.....

Adam Gilmer is providing the scraping engine. He owns the patents.
American Airlines won a decision AGAINST scraping in a Texas court.

travelgirl34 · #36 12-09-2005, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Toomuch

Adam Gilmer is providing the scraping engine. He owns the patents.
American Airlines won a decision AGAINST scraping in a Texas court.

Too much....you're an idiot! I don't have to copy and paste the same thing on all the sites!

RealFacts · #37 12-09-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by travelgirl34

Too much....you're an idiot! I don't have to copy and paste the same thing on all the sites!

What, are you afraid of the truth???

RealFacts · #38 12-09-2005, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toomuch

Adam Gilmer is providing the scraping engine. He owns the patents.
American Airlines won a decision AGAINST scraping in a Texas court.

What, are you afraid of the truth???

travelgirl34 · #39 12-09-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RealFacts

What, are you afraid of the truth???

Oh, so you're the guy who's going to give it to me I guess. Well, why don't you...mr "Real Facts" bone up on your Adam Gilmer history. It's quite old and out of date. Adam Gilmer went down with his ship a couple of years ago...he is such OLD news and nobody talks about him anymore. There is no truth where he's concerned, that would come from you......that I would believe! I don't know you and he's scum! So it doesn't appear you have much to stand on except your own little heap of anger you've produced over a company that has NOTHING to do with you! :cool:

RealFacts · #40 12-12-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by travelgirl34

Oh, so you're the guy who's going to give it to me I guess. Well, why don't you...mr "Real Facts" bone up on your Adam Gilmer history. It's quite old and out of date. Adam Gilmer went down with his ship a couple of years ago...he is such OLD news and nobody talks about him anymore. There is no truth where he's concerned, that would come from you......that I would believe! I don't know you and he's scum! So it doesn't appear you have much to stand on except your own little heap of anger you've produced over a company that has NOTHING to do with you! :cool:

TG32

Don't make me go after you and your deal... how would like to be brought back to the top of this thread...Don't challange me!!! THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING>>>

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Travel Trade

#1 WEEKLY NEWS SOURCE FOR OVER 230,000 TRAVEL SELLERS

Multilevel Defectors From
GTT Form New Travel Venture

By John Stone

Two former sales associates of the multilevel travel marketing company Global Travel Trends (GTT) have teamed up to form a new and competing Dallas-based company called WorldVentures.

The move reflects continued acceleration of the travel sector that recruits consumers to become "agents" with the promise of professional travel discounts and commission earnings opportunities for recruiting additional consumers.

The new business was to be officially launched at a scheduled company event on Dec. 10 at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas. Many in the group of network sales people behind the venture have recently defected from GTT, the Chico, CA-based company headed by CEO Ron Armstrong.

GTT is the marketing network that made headlines in mid-2005 when officials at ARC, IATAN and ASTA all denied any affiliation with GTT, despite the company's printed claims of their accreditations. GTT also claimed an exclusive technology contract with Travelocity but any exclusivity was denied by Travelocity (Travel Trade, June 27).

One World Ventures founder is Dallas area resident Michael Azcue, who claimed in GTT online marketing messages earlier this year to have approximately 16,000 sales followers in the GTT network.
Property Booking System

Azcue, who has resurrected his personal Web site at www.mikeazcue.com after taking it down for several weeks during his switch of companies, said in an online greeting that his new company is launching a proprietary booking system called *****Search.

Azcue's partner in WorldVentures is a second GTT defector named Wayne Nugent, who is listed as the operator of a company called TravTech, LLC, located at 7750 No. MacArthur, Suite 120-152, Irving, TX.

According to NPROS, an online service that tracks the flow of multilevel marketing companies for sales people, the business address of WorldVentures is at the same No. MacArthur address as Nugent's TravTech operation.

Irving is the suburb of Dallas that, in addition to being the location of the Dallas Cowboys' football stadium, is adjacent to DFW International Airport.

Another former GTT sales recruiter involved in WorldVentures is Jefferson Santos, who still has a GTT Web site posted at www.vacationsalesforce.com. In one page on the site Santos, Nugent and Azcue, who have all since defected to WorldVentures, can be heard together on an audio tape discussing GTT training seminars.

Yet another GTT defector to WorldVentures is Wes Melcher, whose recruitment seminar for GTT was attended in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, earlier this year by Home Based Trade writer Les-Lee Roland, owner of the home based agency The Package Deal, Sarasota, FL.

Melcher, also based in Dallas, is the owner of another company called Need a Break Investments, which operates the college spring break travel company NeedSpringBreak.com, which specializes in spring break travel to Costa Rica.

Azcue and Nugent, while listed as WorldVentures founders, have attracted two other partners to run the business.

The COO is Ken Doherty, whose company biography states he was most recently vice president of operations for US Health Advisors, based in Arlington, TX. US Health Advisors, according to its Web site, was last week conducting a free seminar at its headquarters in order "to em***** everyone to take control of their money and create wealth."

The CEO of WorldVentures is Dan Stammen, described in WorldVentures marketing material as a "master motivator" and "lifestyle coach," who last sold home based business opportunities in a multilevel financial company called PrePaid Legal Services Inc.

jungroth · #41 12-13-2005, 02:45 PM

My son received $140 and the doc received $1,300 from this company. This is a split off from a former travel company where the partners split because some of the partners sold out to a company that would not honor the commission agreements for the users/associates.

http://www.make.worldventures.biz

ScamWatcher05 · #42 12-13-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jungroth

My son received $140 and the doc received $1,300 from this company. This is a split off from a former travel company where the partners split because some of the partners sold out to a company that would not honor the commission agreements for the users/associates.

http://www.make.worldventures.biz

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If this is what the so called leaders are telling you, they are feeding you full of lies. Do you own research!!

RealFacts · #43 12-14-2005, 01:46 AM

THEY CAN RUN, BUT THEY CAN NOT HIDE!!!
WorldVentures, LLC, 18352 Dallas Pkwy #136-366 Dallas, TX
75287

travelgirl34 · #44 12-14-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RealFacts

THEY CAN RUN, BUT THEY CAN NOT HIDE!!!
WorldVentures, LLC, 18352 Dallas Pkwy #136-366 Dallas, TX
75287

:eek: Oh My Gosh!!! Toto what should we do? They have a public address to a mailbox....oooooh! lol Idiots! The launch went great! Quit hating!

RealFacts · #45 12-14-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by travelgirl34

:eek: Oh My Gosh!!! Toto what should we do? They have a public address to a mailbox....oooooh! lol Idiots! The launch went great! Quit hating!

A few hundred reps is a great launch!!! LOL

ScamWatcher05 · #46 12-15-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by travelgirl34

:eek: Oh My Gosh!!! Toto what should we do? They have a public address to a mailbox....oooooh! lol Idiots! The launch went great! Quit hating!

If it went so great WAYNE, why is there not a IATA number as promised? Hmmmm...could it be because you scammers cannot get approved....Call Darren Innis at IATAN and ask him, trust me we have!!! You are all losers!!! I don't hate anyone, I just hate that you all are scamming innocent people out of money and have no conscious about it in the end. There is a place for people like you!!

ScamWatcher05 · #47 12-19-2005, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ScamWatcher05

If it went so great WAYNE, why is there not a IATA number as promised? Hmmmm...could it be because you scammers cannot get approved....Call Darren Innis at IATAN and ask him, trust me we have!!! You are all losers!!! I don't hate anyone, I just hate that you all are scamming innocent people out of money and have no conscious about it in the end. There is a place for people like you!!

Again, why won't anyone answer any questions???? Very interesting!!!!

UtopiaTravel · #48 12-20-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ScamWatcher05

If it went so great WAYNE, why is there not a IATA number as promised? Hmmmm...could it be because you scammers cannot get approved....Call Darren Innis at IATAN and ask him, trust me we have!!! You are all losers!!! I don't hate anyone, I just hate that you all are scamming innocent people out of money and have no conscious about it in the end. There is a place for people like you!!

If you really want to be proven wrong then I guess I will do it.

Here is the so doubted IATAN number that World Ventures can not and will not get.

http://www.checkacode.com/industry_c...umber=05584456

That is a direct link to CheckACode VALIDATING WorldVentures IATAN number.

Now can you people please stop slandering WorldVentures? There is the proof you asked for, now it shows that you GTT people are nothing but rumor hounds

openQuestion · #49 12-20-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

If you really want to be proven wrong then I guess I will do it.

Here is the so doubted IATAN number that World Ventures can not and will not get.

http://www.checkacode.com/industry_c...umber=05584456

That is a direct link to CheckACode VALIDATING WorldVentures IATAN number.

Now can you people please stop slandering WorldVentures? There is the proof you asked for, now it shows that you GTT people are nothing but rumor hounds

We soap opera lovers all eagerly await the response.

RealFacts · #50 12-20-2005, 09:47 PM

Just a couple of WV's Dream Team...

The founders of VizionOne.com (Cliff and Dave Braun, Duke Tubtim, Timothy Herr) all started their MLM careers with a scam called NTC that was shut down. Cliff, Dave and Duke then got involved with 2by2.net, which has been labeled a scam by a lot of people. (click here to see the BBB report ). Whatever the story, this bunch split from 2by2 about March of 2002. They lured in other top money earners of 2by2 and formed a new company with them called Infenet. The original founders of Infenet were Cliff and Dave Braun, Duke Tubtim, Jose and Lazaro Gutierrez, and Nicholas Okita.

Within 3 months of forming their new company, Infenet, Cliff, Dave and Duke then proceeded to screw all of their partners, and form yet another company. The new company, Vizion One, was launched on July 6th, 2002 at the LA Convention Center. That was supposed to be Infenet's launch, but when everyone showed up for the Infenet event Cliff and Dave lied to the entire crowd and said that the name of the company had changed to Vizion One. This way all of the reps from Infenet got tricked into joining the new company, thinking that they were still in Infenet.

As is true of any classic pyramid scam, armed with the reps from Infenet this new group quickly organized and began actively recruiting people - mostly young people. Vizion One has no real product, no organization and no capital. The way they planned to get all this was through straight recruitment. At least by doing that they got the money to maintain their lifestyles and lured others to sign up. It is now several months later and there is still no product, organization, headquarters or anything other than the founders continuing to live high on the money they took from innocent people.

All of the founders of Vizion One are in their 20's and all of them have absolutely ZERO background in business. None of them have any knowledge or expertise in technology or internet. Their entire sales pitch and their skimpy business model is a cheesy and cheap version of 2by2 (and 2by2 already swept through the nation and left a bad taste in everyone's mouth!). So high-pressure salespeople are selling a non-existent internet and technology product to an unsuspecting public. They are doing it by promising everything and delivering nothing. You do the work, you recruit others and you get a cut. As you might imagine this is illegal in all 50 states.

VizionOne.com is a classic pyramid scam - all of the revenue comes directly and exclusively from recruiting other participants into the pyramid. Sure, they say that the fees are for a website, but the sites are simply cheesy, ugly and poorly pre-designed templates that are the same for everyone. The next comeback the Vizion One reps use is that they do have a "real" product. And what is this real product? Surprise! It's the same old dial up ISP service that every other fly-by-night internet company offers for 6 months and then goes belly up. This is what they claim will "destroy" AOL? How can they destroy AOL when they don't even own any of the ISP customers they sign up? Any customers that sign up for their ISP is actually signing up for a company called *****NetGlobal (see http://www.*****netglobal.com).

VizionOne leaders like to lie and say that nobody owns their customers, that even AOL uses someone else's ISP service. That is a total lie. The truth that they are trying to twist is to have you believe that all big companies do it like this. Totally false. Have them show you their *****NetGlobal contract, you will quickly find out that VizionOne is just a sales agent for *****NetGlobal. Ask them if they wanted to move all of their customers to another company, could they? Do they bill the customers or does *****NetGlobal bill the customers? Do they have their own customer support or is it *****NetGlobals? Ask the owners these questions, then right a letter to the legal department at *****NetGlobal and ask them the same questions. Ask THEM who the customers belong to � VizionOne or *****NetGlobal?
Companies like AOL, MSN, Earthlink, and even *****NetGlobal actually buy network usage from the large telecom companies such as Level 3, WorldCom, Qwest, etc. They have contracts with multiple carriers, and can move those customers from network to network. They bill their own customers and support their own customers. For VizionOne to say that they own the customers is like saying a salesman for AT & T owns all AT & T's customers - IT IS RIDICULOUS!

So whose future are you really building when you don't even own the customers? Definitely not yours. Oh well, I guess it doesnt really matter since they are just trying to make their pyramid scheme seem legit by pretending they have a real product that nobody is required to sell. They are just interested in collecting the recruitment fees from your friends and family.
A Plan that only a Scam could love.

This ridiculous company, with no real product, does have a plan. And the plan is to get you to sign up, give them lots of your money, then sign up everyone you know to give more money to them so you can make some of your money back. Here's how it works: You sign up as a "Trainer" for $295. Then the pressure starts to buy MORE than ONE Trainer spot. They will tell you how you can double or triple your money by simply purchasing more spots in the pyramid. If you are fool enough to fork out the dough. Do the math: Not $295. Instead you're shelling out $885 or MORE (which is unethical and illegal)! Then, you get to sign up 2 people "one on the left and one on the right" and you earn what they call a CDB-- a pyramid guaranteed to set you up for failure. Look at all those spots of other people you suddenly have to fill at $295 each. Now, they will say you are getting two internet customers, but remember, they have no real product so in reality, you really don't need to sign up any ISP customers. They just say this to try and avoid getting in trouble with the government. In reality, it is just straight recruiting. What they want you to get is not customers, they want you to get more suckers to pay $295 or more to build the pyramid. You don't ever need to get customers. Just build the scam so the top people make money before getting shut down and leaving everyone broke.

So, if you have no morals or you are highly unethical, then you should be able to convince a couple of idiots to dump their life savings into this scam. Think of all the fame that will come in just a few months! Then you take this pipe dream and have bunches of others get high off of it until they are so brain dead that they give up the same amounts of money. This is a pyramid.

If Vizion One leaders dispute this ask them if they would be willing to call the FTC, the state Attorney General or district attorney and get their opinion. Offer to pay for the call! You can find contacts to all these agencies on the helpful links page.

MORE WILL COME LATER on Cliff and Dave Braun!