BEWARE of Google Money Tree

[googletreescrewedme]

For those that might answer an email offering a deal on how to make money from home, BEWARE!!!

Google Money Tree will charge you $72.21 after the "free trial and you just pay shipping of $3.88".

Ive really surprised myself that I did this but I did answer their ad and paid the $3.88. I then waited for their "kit" to arrive at my door.

As of the 18th, nothing has been received but I just saw that 5 days ago on the 13th they billed my debit card for $72.21 because I did not call in within 7 days to cancel my account!!

After talking to their customer service today, that is a MONTHLY fee for those that do not cancel their account!!

When I checked out their website it was nothing more than selling you information on how to sell on ebay, drop shipping, finding suppliers etc.

Ive been selling online for 4 yrs now and should have known better but I thought when I saw the email, that it dealt with other type of work at home based on their email info.

I also got a call a few days after signing up for their free kit....after tracking out their name, they use to be involved with an internet rip-off we all know from the past "StoresOnline" out of Utah.

I hope this warning helps those that took their bait and didn't know about having to call in to stop them from billing you $72.21 per month!!!

[kflo01]

I get bombarded with emails for this from affiliate marketers. I didnt like the looks of it so never gave it a shot. I also am a affiliate marketer myself and I would never promote it just for those same reasons. The commish rate on it is very high from most affiliate networks, like 30+ plus per sale so I see why it is pushed. I would like to here more from someone who has tried it though.

[justtoomuchtime]

They hid the negative optout in the terms of service.

Funny thing. There was just a 2 million dollar settlement against a company that did just that:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/06/manay.shtm

Try contacting your credit card company to get them to reverse the charges. Even if you're beyond the normal time allowed for doing chargebacks, they'll often extend it if something like this is involved.

[pcwork]

Since you have not received the kit yet, you can do a chargeback.

[girvenkl]

Well, I wish I had found this website before I got charged $72.21 on the 19th of December!!! I called and spoke to someone named "Brooke" today. She told me that there was a 7 day cancellation policy that I didn't know anything because I hadn't even logged on to look at it yet. I said I want my money refunded to my account.

I mentioned that someone called me a week ago (Sunday, Dec 14th), and at that time I told the caller I was curious, however, not serious. She never said anything about cancelling while she had me on the phone, she simply said she would call me back on the 21st (yeah, that never happened). They knew they already had me for the first installment. So, I told them today to cancel me and I wanted to get a refund. NO CAN DO.

When I asked to talk to a supervisor, she said her supervisor doesn't take calls. (I asked why is she there then?). She even suggested that I hang up and call back, and the next person would tell me the same thing.

Whatever. $72.21 down the drain.

TOTAL SCAM...DON'T GET SUCKED IN, NOT EVEN FOR THE $3.98 SHIPPING FOR THE "KIT" THAT NEVER COMES!

[renigade]

I've had the same experience, and like you, I should have known better. I didn't receive my cd for over 2 weeks, never got a confirmation email with login information to access their website. I lost almost $150 to this scheme and they refuse to refund. Don't be fooled by the Google logo! Does anyone know if Google is affliated with this in any way?

[irma210]

Ok, this is crap I signed up at the worst time 12/21 and they were closed 12/24 and when I tried to call on 12/25 they kept me on hold forever! I got frustrated and hung up.. Thinking that you had seven business days to cancel I called back on Monday only to find out I had already been charged the 72.21.. They stated that it was 7 days even though they were closed for 4 of those days! They suck and I am going to try to get the charge reversed but I'm sure it will not happen.. This is the worst scam ever I haven't even been notified about the kit and its shipping status.. Eventhough it's for information that I already know! AHHHH!

[dmyrickmex]

I fell for this scam too. $72.29 charged to my account. I just logged a complaint on better business bureau. I encourage everyone to do the same. The company is located at 2375 E. Tropicana Ave Las Vegas, NV 89119. Go to the BBB website to log your complaint at:

http://southernnevada.bbb.org/

[ScamWatcheree]

I really wouldn't call it a scam, we as consumer has the responsibility to READ the Terms and Conditions.

And it is not hidden, it is there but if you are too lazy to read it then you will really have to pay for it.

Also, you can try filing a law suit, but I don't think that would help either.

The moment you click the payment button, and check the box for their terms and conditions, You agree that you will not hold them liable for them renewing your account with them and being charge the amount they have specified.

It is partly your fault, with the way things are going, with our economy, I do think the same sometimes, that maybe there is another way I can start my business without spending that much.

I also was a victim by a different company, and my bank couldn't do anything because I agreed to their terms and conditions, it was back in 2005. I even told the bank representative that I only agreed for the $1.95 shipping and handling.

So right now I really am weary with those spam messages, and you got those for visiting websites and clicking yes on some of the pop ups.

So right now, whenever I try some of the programs, I make sure that I cancel it on or before the trial ends, and it starts after you have sent your payment.

The CD or information they will send you, you will receive it, it has informations in it, but not worth the price.

But then again, it doesn't hurt to file a dispute, if you need to make a call, make the call now, start with your credit card company or bank if it's a bank credit card.

Other than that, I wish well for you. And you will get over it, I mean for me that was my savings that lost, I didn't have a job then.

I was making money selling items on Amazon and Ebay, but I was just not contented.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by justtoomuchtime

They hid the negative optout in the terms of service.

Funny thing. There was just a 2 million dollar settlement against a company that did just that:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/06/manay.shtm

Try contacting your credit card company to get them to reverse the charges. Even if you're beyond the normal time allowed for doing chargebacks, they'll often extend it if something like this is involved.

Here is the problem with that. First of all, the terms of the sale are clearly disclosed on every page of the order process, including the terms and conditions page. In addition, the payment and neg option language is at the TOP of the t/c page.. unlike so many other sites who try to hide it.. googlemoneytree doesn't.

Also.. the FTC decision you reference above was NOT in any way similar. These guys vilolated the Unordered Merchandise Statute, and did not disclose the membership plan or it's terms. Google Money Tree discloses all of that on the order page, as well as in the terms.

If someone purchases something online, and does not bother reading the sales page, let alone the terms and conditions... how can you call the seller of such information deceptive?

In addition, should you attempt to 'charge back' information and products you have legitimately purchased, you are then stealing. How can you justify that??

Just my opinion!

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by irma210

Ok, this is crap I signed up at the worst time 12/21 and they were closed 12/24 and when I tried to call on 12/25 they kept me on hold forever! I got frustrated and hung up.. Thinking that you had seven business days to cancel I called back on Monday only to find out I had already been charged the 72.21.. They stated that it was 7 days even though they were closed for 4 of those days! They suck and I am going to try to get the charge reversed but I'm sure it will not happen.. This is the worst scam ever I haven't even been notified about the kit and its shipping status.. Eventhough it's for information that I already know! AHHHH!

Being on hold that long is unacceptable. I'm sure it was just an issue of the holiday, but still.. unacceptable. I represent the company in question. Will you please contact me privately and I will get your money refunded if full.

Thanks

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

No.. Google is not affiliated with GoogleMoneyTree.com. Google Money Tree teaches you affiliate marketing using the Google adwords and adsense system.

[irma210]

Originally Posted by ItsEasyToFixThis

Being on hold that long is unacceptable. I'm sure it was just an issue of the holiday, but still.. unacceptable. I represent the company in question. Will you please contact me privately and I will get your money refunded if full.

Thanks

Hi, yes they kept me on hold forever when I called on 12/25 and I also must mention that when I called back on Monday,(because they are closed on Sat/Sun) the representative was very rude! How do I go about having my money refunded? Please advise with any info.. Thank You

[Card Member Services]

WOW! Do you people never read "Terms & Conditions" & "Privacy" of companies like this one. I read T&C before I decided to purchase and then looked for reviews of the site. Not helpful because I have read the T&C and know that ignorant people are complaining. So it just might be a ligit thing but everyone gets stuck at the $72 and change because they didn't read. I will try this out and let you all know what is up. $72 is nothing to lose esp. if no one has even tried this program. Did anyone actually try this program or only try to get your $74.00 back???

[girvenkl]

Good news....maybe this will help everyone who continues to get ripped off by the scam.

I went to my bank, and asked to have the charges reversed. I told them I authorized the $3.88, but never the $72.21. I did, however, have to close my charge account and reopen another one, but I got my money back.

Lesson learned (a couple of them) for me. Hope this helps.

[Shorty85]

Whoever this is, is such an ignorant person, it just makes me so upset. Everything is a scam, otherwise explain to me how I must have called fifty times, explaining how it stated that the user name and password was "incorrect login information" and all they said was that I should go to the library to try it there. Quite honestly I really doubt the website of information is real. As a customer once I was charged the $72.21 for being "ignorant" as you claim along with so, so many other people that have fallen for this scam, all I ask is for the product I paid for. When all the reps. say is they can't help, and I requested to speak to a supervisor, to my surprise there are no supervisors. This people stole my money, because if all I've tried to do is get the product which caused me $142.21 because of two overdraft fees that accumulated as a result of not having the funds for a charge I didn't know I was going to get, and "Customer Service" won't help me, you're the ignorant one for not accepting that everything about "Google Money Tree" is a scam. How is it that I purchase a work from home kit and this wonderful company will have the nerve and [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']audacity[/font] to send me out in the street to the library to see if the website works, when miraculously all the other websites work fine on my computer. So sorry but I refuse to continue making an ass out of myself and going to the library to try to log into a website that DOESN"T EXIST because it's a scam. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

Originally Posted by Card Member Services

WOW! Do you people never read "Terms & Conditions" & "Privacy" of companies like this one. I read T&C before I decided to purchase and then looked for reviews of the site. Not helpful because I have read the T&C and know that ignorant people are complaining. So it just might be a ligit thing but everyone gets stuck at the $72 and change because they didn't read. I will try this out and let you all know what is up. $72 is nothing to lose esp. if no one has even tried this program. Did anyone actually try this program or only try to get your $74.00 back???

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by Shorty85

Whoever this is, is such an ignorant person, it just makes me so upset. Everything is a scam, otherwise explain to me how I must have called fifty times, explaining how it stated that the user name and password was "incorrect login information" and all they said was that I should go to the library to try it there. Quite honestly I really doubt the website of information is real. As a customer once I was charged the $72.21 for being "ignorant" as you claim along with so, so many other people that have fallen for this scam, all I ask is for the product I paid for. When all the reps. say is they can't help, and I requested to speak to a supervisor, to my surprise there are no supervisors. This people stole my money, because if all I've tried to do is get the product which caused me $142.21 because of two overdraft fees that accumulated as a result of not having the funds for a charge I didn't know I was going to get, and "Customer Service" won't help me, you're the ignorant one for not accepting that everything about "Google Money Tree" is a scam. How is it that I purchase a work from home kit and this wonderful company will have the nerve and [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']audacity[/font] to send me out in the street to the library to see if the website works, when miraculously all the other websites work fine on my computer. So sorry but I refuse to continue making an ass out of myself and going to the library to try to log into a website that DOESN"T EXIST because it's a scam. STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

Shorty85 -

I represent Google Money Tree. I'm sorry that you had the troubles that you had, but i ASSURE you the information is real and in depth. GMT is not a scam.

If you will send me a private message, I will personally see that your money is refunded in full, AND you are given a password that works from your home computer. I will also make sure you have a lifetime membership to GMT at no cost.

Again, I'm sorry for the troubles you've had. I want to help. Please send me a message with your name and city. I will take it from there.

Thanks

[googtreescrewedm2]

As you may have been able to arrive by my nickname, I also was screwed by GoogleMoneyTree. My wife is pregnant and we were trying to find some work she could do from home to make ends meet while she is off work. How I ran into this scam but they got me. The same thing happened to me that everybody is describing here. I ordered the kit, and after a few days passed I thought I would contact the company to find out if it had been shipped. This is when I discovered the Terms of Service. Somebody in this thread stated it’s posted clearly on each page. Well, that sort of true, there is a link at the bottom left side of the page, clicking that gets you the small print. Thankfully, my seven days had not passed yet so I immediately called the company. The same thing happened to me that happened to other callers. I called and stated I wanted to cancel my subscription. I was told to wait one moment, and placed on hold. I waited 30 minutes before my cell phone dropped the call. I called back, and asked not to be placed on hold, that I wanted to cancel my subscription, and the operator hung up on me. I called back a third time, and said I wanted to cancel, and stated it was my fourth day and have yet to receive any product (outside of the worthless website) and got placed on hold. After 20 minutes passed I came to the grim reality that I got hosed. The next day my card was charged, when I called back I got operator and was informed that it was seven actual days, not business days, and they would not issue a refund. I said I tried to call 3 times yesterday and got hung up on, and put on hold for nearly an hour, and he told me that it was not his fault. When I asked to speak to a supervisor I was told that a supervisor would not speak with me. Before I could say anything he hung up on me. Hmm great support staff you have there googlemoneytree.
This is a shame on you, and shame on me situation, if I was smart, I would have googled, googlemoneytree before I got into this, the first 3 hits tell you it’s a scam, and to beware before get to the forth hit which is their actual site. But once they got your card they had no intention of giving you’re your money back. Its demonstrated over and over again in this thread. If you’re so honest and strait forward why in spite of all this negative attention have you not altered your web site to state this information clearly up front? You say its clear, but its is obviously confusing to a great many people demonstrated by the fact that there are even GOOGLE SPONSERED LINKS TO SAY THAT THIS IS A SCAM!!!! Well, Googlemoneytree, I hope you sleep well at night knowing that you’re taking food out of the mouths of a 5 and 3 year old children.
Oh and by the way you can keep the kit that you obviously have no intention of sending me.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

I am affiliated with Google Money Tree. I would like to address your concerns:

Originally Posted by googtreescrewedm2

As you may have been able to arrive by my nickname, I also was screwed by GoogleMoneyTree. My wife is pregnant and we were trying to find some work she could do from home to make ends meet while she is off work. How I ran into this scam but they got me. The same thing happened to me that everybody is describing here. I ordered the kit, and after a few days passed I thought I would contact the company to find out if it had been shipped. This is when I discovered the Terms of Service. Somebody in this thread stated it’s posted clearly on each page. Well, that sort of true, there is a link at the bottom left side of the page, clicking that gets you the small print. Thankfully, my seven days had not passed yet so I immediately called the company. The same thing happened to me that happened to other callers. I called and stated I wanted to cancel my subscription. I was told to wait one moment, and placed on hold. I waited 30 minutes before my cell phone dropped the call. I called back, and asked not to be placed on hold, that I wanted to cancel my subscription, and the operator hung up on me. I called back a third time, and said I wanted to cancel, and stated it was my fourth day and have yet to receive any product (outside of the worthless website) and got placed on hold. After 20 minutes passed I came to the grim reality that I got hosed. The next day my card was charged, when I called back I got operator and was informed that it was seven actual days, not business days, and they would not issue a refund. I said I tried to call 3 times yesterday and got hung up on, and put on hold for nearly an hour, and he told me that it was not his fault. When I asked to speak to a supervisor I was told that a supervisor would not speak with me. Before I could say anything he hung up on me. Hmm great support staff you have there googlemoneytree.
This is a shame on you, and shame on me situation, if I was smart, I would have googled, googlemoneytree before I got into this, the first 3 hits tell you it’s a scam, and to beware before get to the forth hit which is their actual site. But once they got your card they had no intention of giving you’re your money back. Its demonstrated over and over again in this thread. If you’re so honest and strait forward why in spite of all this negative attention have you not altered your web site to state this information clearly up front? You say its clear, but its is obviously confusing to a great many people demonstrated by the fact that there are even GOOGLE SPONSERED LINKS TO SAY THAT THIS IS A SCAM!!!! Well, Googlemoneytree, I hope you sleep well at night knowing that you’re taking food out of the mouths of a 5 and 3 year old children.
Oh and by the way you can keep the kit that you obviously have no intention of sending me.

I have looked over our call logs for the past 3 days. I have seen from our records that the longest ANYONE was placed on hold was 61 seconds.

Will you please forward me (via private message) your name, city, and email address. I will be happy to issue you a refund in full.

I'm sorry to hear that you believe the GMT website to be worthless. We have thousands of satisfied subscribers, and hundreds of success stories from our members. Did you log in to the web site? Did you look at the amount of valuable information is there to assist you?

I assure you, your kit was mailed. It usually takes approx 7 to 8 days for the kit to arrive. That is the reason we give access to the site for that period of time, so you can make an informated decision.

We take your satifaction very seriously. Again, I show no records anyone being placed on hold like that... (and I am looking at the raw telcom data), however, I will refund your money either way.. as we only wish our customers be 100% satisfied.

ALSO: Note.. there are NO 'google sponsored links' that say GMT is a scam. Each of those links is owned by our competition that is simply trying to discredit the good that GMT does in our marketplace. While we are not in any way affliated with Google, they know who we are, and are happy with what we do on their behalf.

[googtreescrewedm2]

Hey I got a response! GoogleMoneytree, is now InternetMoneyTree but I have been promised a refund within a couple of days.

[Canoe4you]

Originally Posted by googtreescrewedm2

Hey I got a response! GoogleMoneytree, is now InternetMoneyTree but I have been promised a refund within a couple of days.

Let us know if and when you actually get your money back.

[zenvicky]

Google Money Tree! don't you think that the name itself spell for word scam?

[justtoomuchtime]

Originally Posted by ItsEasyToFixThis

Here is the problem with that. First of all, the terms of the sale are clearly disclosed on every page of the order process, including the terms and conditions page. In addition, the payment and neg option language is at the TOP of the t/c page.. unlike so many other sites who try to hide it.. googlemoneytree doesn't.

Also.. the FTC decision you reference above was NOT in any way similar. These guys vilolated the Unordered Merchandise Statute, and did not disclose the membership plan or it's terms. Google Money Tree discloses all of that on the order page, as well as in the terms.

If someone purchases something online, and does not bother reading the sales page, let alone the terms and conditions... how can you call the seller of such information deceptive?

In addition, should you attempt to 'charge back' information and products you have legitimately purchased, you are then stealing. How can you justify that??

Just my opinion!

Wow. Sounds like we're looking at two different offers.

1)The checkbox next to the Terms and Conditions for the GoogleMoneyTree offer was PRECHECKED and the TERMS of the condition were NOT on the order page - there was a HYPERLINK TO THEM with a PRECHECKED checkbox.

Maybe they fixed that. If so, Kudos to them.

2) National Consumers League just did a write-up of GoogleMoneyTree here:

The vice-president of Public Policy, Telecommunications and Fraud specifically called Google Money Tree a scam.

If your wondering if the National Consumers League's opinion is worth paying attention to, consider this:

The following U.S. Government Sites list them as an important consumer resource for fighting fraud - including the United States Department of Justice.

http://www.consumeraction.gov/resprt2.shtml
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/c...u/autoinsu.htm
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/h...ays/12ways.htm
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cfocus/cfprivacy02/focus.htm
http://www.dontserveteens.gov/about.html
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/assist/...chapter16.html
http://www.healthfinder.gov/orgs/HR0605.htm

Fraud.org is the National Consumers League's Fraud Center. Here's who lists them as a resource:

• http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...est/inv03.shtm
• http://www.ovc.gov/help/it.htm
• http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/it.htm
• http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/scamsresources.htm
• http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/links.shtm
• http://www.gao.gov/special.pubs/soi/soi_ch5.htm
• http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/EI48.asp
• http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2006/03/overpayment.shtm

So, I suppose you can take the word of ItsEasyToFixThis - a representative of GoogleMoneyTree OR you can look at the opinion of the National Consumers League - a resource recommended by the United States Department of Justice.

Which do you choose?

I HIGHLY recommend you read Lynn Eagleton's lengthy post at my blog discussion here explaining why such serious concerns have been brought up about Google Money Tree:

http://www.workathometruth.com/blog/...ee-complaints/

Lynn does an amazing job covering what constitutes fraud.

[justtoomuchtime]

Since we have a representative of GoogleMoneyTree on board who is being helpful, I think it's a good time to ask the following questions:

1) Is Kevin Larsen a real person? There's been some speculation about that.
2) On page 1 of the Google Money Tree order process why are the following logos are listed:

• The New York Times
• USAToday
• Esquire
• CNN
• MSN
• Yahoo
• Forbes
• InformationWeek
• AOL

3) On PAGE 2 of the order process the box saying "I Agree to the Terms and Conditions" is STILL prechecked (this is based on a landing page for the GoogleMoneyTree offer being run through the Hydra Network).

The second page HAS been changed to state the terms of the offer on the left side now which is a HUGE improvement, HOWEVER the pricing is WRITTEN OUT instead of being displayed in numerals - I'll be interested to see how that plays out. I'm going to ask about that at the National Consumers League blog.

4) Page 2 says the person can get a "free consultation" from a Google Certified Coach. Can you point us to the page from Google that lists the certification procedure?

I'm aware of the Google Certified Advertising Professional program, but have never heard of a "Google Certified Coach" and in the terms of the Google Certified Advertising Professional program they have strict rules about what logos can be used.

Was the logo for the "Google Certified Coach" program provided by Google?

I've updated my blog to reflect the changes that Google Money Tree made.

[justtoomuchtime]

I'm still waiting of the answers to those questions.

Where'd that guy go?

I'm really trying to figure them out.

[googlemoneytreeisascam21]

I got my refund from googlemoneytree!!!!!

maybe they arent so much of a scam if you find the right people to help you outt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shorty85]

Please be advised that as promised on January 20, 2009, I received a full refund from Google Money Tree in the amount of $72.21. It makes me very glad to have been fortunate enough to have found the help I needed with my particular situation. I feel so relived to find out that there are people who work for Google Money Tree who are willing to stand 100% behind the product.

[notahappycamper]

My husband and I requested the CD back in December (which was never received). While talking with customer service, my husband said never in his life has he experienced such horrible customer service. When asking to speak to a manager the representative said that a manager would never speak to someone like him and that sleeping is more important to the manager than listening to him "rattle on" about nonsense. My husband said he felt belittled and had to take 4 antacids to calm his stomach and also had to take his blood pressure. I've been so stressed through this that I have broken out in hives. No company's customer service should treat it's customers like dirt. If anyone from the company is reading this, please know that you have caused many people trouble and that some things must change if you want to run a successful business.

[ladybudlite]

I too was taken by this scam. I was silly enough to think that I could cancel after I received the kit, which has been 3 weeks now and still nothing, but alas I was wrong. In talking to their representive, I guess if they hire rude people what can you expect from the company!! hard lesson to learn but I think I have......too bad it gives google a bad name as I will be very leary of any company that has that in its name. I have also registerd a complaint with the NV BBB. Hope it helps

[MadAtGMT]

Hello, I too was able to get a full refund from GMT. I am extremely glad I found this forum and was able to talk to the right person. I do find it very odd that it was so easy to get a refund through messageing rather than over the phone, however at least one person at GMT has consumer relation skills. I will be extremely weary of makeing any orders from products I recieve in my e-mail again. This has tought me a well diserved lesson to be more careful with my credit card number, and to always read the fine print. Good Luck to you all. Thanks for the help.

[ycantigo]

So after reading the entire thread I feel like I'm due for a refund as well. I finally see the scam for what it is. What I noticed from other posts and my own experience is that unless you catch them within 7 days (which GoogleMoneyTree says you won't get the CD within) then they'll get their $72.21.

I find this interesting because the way the website reads and explains things is that all of the information is on the CD and you should wait to get it. That means that most consumers will see if their investment is worth it by waiting for the CD. I placed my order on 1-8-09 and didn't receive a CD until 1-20-09 but I was charged on 1-14-09 for the $72.21. That means that I was charged for information I hadn't received yet. I have just cancelled today after reading this thread.

But what I really find interesting is that after getting the CD it really is a scam because the information is the same on the CD as is on the site. Not to mention the article that leads you to the site is about taking online surveys for money and NONE of that information is on the site or the CD.

I'm a technical person with many websites under my belt and I have successfully sold lots of the stuff on eBay and *****slist. The information on the CD can be easily downloaded for free on the web so there is no purpose to this site or company. What they offer isn't even quality stuff but just a compilation of junk from other sites put in one place.

The real scam here is the sales pitch of the letter and how genuine it sounds and makes things seem. This is why this site is successful at getting people to signup.

Please take the warnings from me and others in this thread. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY.

[googlemoneytreerefundpls]

I also would like a refund. I have emailed repeatedly and called and was told I could not have a refund. I was charged today, and canceled today. But they tell me I have access until February but no refund. I said I want the account canceled today, and the money refunded. I have not even opened the package that I received two weeks after I ordered it. This is ridiculous.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

[quote=ycantigo;704398]So after reading the entire thread I feel like I'm due for a refund as well. I finally see the scam for what it is. What I noticed from other posts and my own experience is that unless you catch them within 7 days (which GoogleMoneyTree says you won't get the CD within) then they'll get their $72.21.

I find this interesting because the way the website reads and explains things is that all of the information is on the CD and you should wait to get it. That means that most consumers will see if their investment is worth it by waiting for the CD. I placed my order on 1-8-09 and didn't receive a CD until 1-20-09 but I was charged on 1-14-09 for the $72.21. That means that I was charged for information I hadn't received yet. I have just cancelled today after reading this thread.

But what I really find interesting is that after getting the CD it really is a scam because the information is the same on the CD as is on the site. Not to mention the article that leads you to the site is about taking online surveys for money and NONE of that information is on the site or the CD.

I'm a technical person with many websites under my belt and I have successfully sold lots of the stuff on eBay and *****slist. The information on the CD can be easily downloaded for free on the web so there is no purpose to this site or company. What they offer isn't even quality stuff but just a compilation of junk from other sites put in one place.

The real scam here is the sales pitch of the letter and how genuine it sounds and makes things seem. This is why this site is successful at getting people to signup.

Please take the warnings from me and others in this thread. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY.[/quote]

To address some of your concerns:

The fact that the kit and this site have some similar content is not a scam, it is the way we make sure you have access to all the information to ensure you wish to continue your membership. The kit contains the latest version of the site.. but the site is updated all the time. That is actually a really positive thing for the consumer.. not a scam.

Also.. you CAN NOT just download the info off the Internet for free. We have purhcased all the licences, and reseller certs so that you get access to all the software, ebooks, audio and video training.. etc. Also, our creators have authored the most up to date and in depth dialouge and text on using Google to earn an income from home. These are people that make over a million dollars a year doing what they teach.
Obviously if you are buying kits online, you still are not as successful as you could be, so maybe instead of assuming it's a scam, you should just dive in and learn everything you can.

I'm not sure why you think you deserve a refund, since you knew what the terms and conditions were in advance.

Send me a private IM letting me know why you think the way you do.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by googlemoneytreerefundpls

I also would like a refund. I have emailed repeatedly and called and was told I could not have a refund. I was charged today, and canceled today. But they tell me I have access until February but no refund. I said I want the account canceled today, and the money refunded. I have not even opened the package that I received two weeks after I ordered it. This is ridiculous.

I have placed a refund order for you. Please allow just a couple of days for it to process.

Thanks for your patience, and I'm sorry for the issues you have had.

[FFCAofficer]

Don't bother talking about scams with people who defend them, like some on here. Notice how the sound like the customer support associates that answer when you Want a refund. That's cause they are. You can't argue with them, they think they're getting away with it. So, File a fraud report on credit cards, and debit cards, and file fraud reports to https://complaint.ic3.gov...and other various ones. I Work for the government, and Can say that what they are doing is infact illegal, and there are flaws to their scam. Lawsuits against these companies are in the making, and in a lot of cases, people will be going to jail for fraud, and people will be reimbursed. Save all evidence you have against them (Bank records, phone bills, wire receipts, money orders etc.) And File a claim. It may take some time, but you will get your money back. Good luck!

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by FFCAofficer

Don't bother talking about scams with people who defend them, like some on here. Notice how the sound like the customer support associates that answer when you Want a refund. That's cause they are. You can't argue with them, they think they're getting away with it. So, File a fraud report on credit cards, and debit cards, and file fraud reports to https://complaint.ic3.gov...and other various ones. I Work for the government, and Can say that what they are doing is infact illegal, and there are flaws to their scam. Lawsuits against these companies are in the making, and in a lot of cases, people will be going to jail for fraud, and people will be reimbursed. Save all evidence you have against them (Bank records, phone bills, wire receipts, money orders etc.) And File a claim. It may take some time, but you will get your money back. Good luck!

Or... you could just ask for your money back and we'll gladly make it happen. I think that is obvious by the reports on this board thus far.

It should be obvious when the post is written by a competitor, as this one is. Google Money Tree complies with EVERY regulation required by the FTC. There is nothing illegal or otherwise wrong with the offer, and frankly a posting as stupid and ignorant as the one above should be seen exactly for what it is.

If you would like to contact me personally, please PM me your contact information and I'll be happy to discuss one on one. And 'I work for the government', is just a little vague don't you think? Parking enforcement? Meter maid? Or Federal Facilities Compliance Act Waste Management Worker? Would you like to clarify, and state something other than an uneducated opinion in the name of a government authority which doesn’t exist?

[OneQuestion]

Is any one else concerned that ALL of these companies that turn out to be scams or cons are either run by or hire the very exact people from the two countries we are at war with?? It seems like every company is hiring people from either Iraq or Pakistan to work in their customer service departments!! NONE of them can even speak english. To top it off, when you call or receive a call from them, they lie about their name. I received 32 phone calls from Google Money Tree today! From "Phil"! 32!! The last one came in at 10:32 pm! I know there are laws preventing calls from companies like money tree after a certain time at night. To the users claiming to represent Google Money Tree: GMT IS a scam. I have filed a complaint with Southern Nevada Better Buisness Bureau. If you are representing GMT, you are part of the scam. If you weren't, you would post the procedure to get a refund for ALL users of this site to see and follow. I earn over $74,000 a year. I have no children. I WILL be spending as much money as it takes to prosecute the company you claim to represent. When all is said and done, you will be working for me. Your job title: Delivery. Your job will be to personally deliver FULL refunds to ALL of the victims of the GMT scam. See you in court.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by OneQuestion

Is any one else concerned that ALL of these companies that turn out to be scams or cons are either run by or hire the very exact people from the two countries we are at war with?? It seems like every company is hiring people from either Iraq or Pakistan to work in their customer service departments!! NONE of them can even speak english. To top it off, when you call or receive a call from them, they lie about their name. I received 32 phone calls from Google Money Tree today! From "Phil"! 32!! The last one came in at 10:32 pm! I know there are laws preventing calls from companies like money tree after a certain time at night. To the users claiming to represent Google Money Tree: GMT IS a scam. I have filed a complaint with Southern Nevada Better Buisness Bureau. If you are representing GMT, you are part of the scam. If you weren't, you would post the procedure to get a refund for ALL users of this site to see and follow. I earn over $74,000 a year. I have no children. I WILL be spending as much money as it takes to prosecute the company you claim to represent. When all is said and done, you will be working for me. Your job title: Delivery. Your job will be to personally deliver FULL refunds to ALL of the victims of the GMT scam. See you in court.

Ummm... Not even going to take the time to respond to that, because.. that's just silly.

Except for one thing. The call center is in the US, employing 78 people who would otherwise not have a job. If you got a call from 'phil', it's because you received a sales call, meaning that you never bought the product in the first place. C'mon, use your head.

Oh... and Phil and the rest of the team that makes those calls are from the US, but just maybe not as white (or racist) as you are.

Great job on earning $74K... would you like to make $174K. Then why don't you buy the kit, learn what GMT teaches, and stop spreading hate!

Everyone... I'm on this board to help you get money refunded, and help you feel like you were treated fairly. Just ask!

[OneQuestion]

Originally Posted by ItsEasyToFixThis

Ummm... Not even going to take the time to respond to that, because.. that's just silly.

Except for one thing. The call center is in the US, employing 78 people who would otherwise not have a job. If you got a call from 'phil', it's because you received a sales call, meaning that you never bought the product in the first place. C'mon, use your head.

Oh... and Phil and the rest of the team that makes those calls are from the US, but just maybe not as white (or racist) as you are.

Great job on earning $74K... would you like to make $174K. Then why don't you buy the kit, learn what GMT teaches, and stop spreading hate!

Everyone... I'm on this board to help you get money refunded, and help you feel like you were treated fairly. Just ask!

That is NOT silly!! It is true!! I DID NOT make ANY racist remarks! I don't care what race or nationality they are! For you to assume that shows your ignorance. You and I BOTH know that ANYONE with the accent the people who answer the customer service lines have, do NOT have the legal name of Phil. Also, I am happy those people have a job. My complaint is that WE are in the UNITED STATES!! We speak english in the United States. All I want is for those people to speak the language clearly so we as Americans can understand them. And by the way, Itseasytofixthis, If GMT was not a scam, when I put my number on GMT's do not call list, they would NOT call anymore! And "Phil" called because I caught onto the scam and cancelled my card and stopped any and ALL online transactions with my bank. "Phil" called me trying to get my credit card information to complete the transaction. I told "Phil" that I was no longer interested in the product or services offered by GMT. They have NOT stopped calling!! They called twice today so far since 9 am central time! What part of my previous comment was racist??!!?? If the person can speak english clearly, there would be no problem at all. Also, if those people were in the United States legally, they would have MANY more jobs available to them! You can't tell me that they ALL have the life long goal to work in customer service. For you to twist my previous comment and come to the conclusion that I was "racist" makes you racist. And just because I make more than $74 k a year you assume I would be interested in $174 k?? At ANY moment it time I can access 1.32 million dollars. Not from loans. My money that I earned! The ONLY reason I looked into your product was for an employee of mine that mentioned they wanted to make some extra income. He told me about GMT and I thought I would look into it for him and buy your product and surprise him with it. I discovered that it wasn't as good as you advertise. Do you know why you are here "trying to get victims their money back"?? It is because the people answering the phones at GMT do NOT speak english very well. If they did, these people would have had their money returned and your presence on this site would not be necessary.

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by OneQuestion

That is NOT silly!! It is true!! I DID NOT make ANY racist remarks! I don't care what race or nationality they are! For you to assume that shows your ignorance. You and I BOTH know that ANYONE with the accent the people who answer the customer service lines have, do NOT have the legal name of Phil. Also, I am happy those people have a job. My complaint is that WE are in the UNITED STATES!! We speak english in the United States. All I want is for those people to speak the language clearly so we as Americans can understand them. And by the way, Itseasytofixthis, If GMT was not a scam, when I put my number on GMT's do not call list, they would NOT call anymore! And "Phil" called because I caught onto the scam and cancelled my card and stopped any and ALL online transactions with my bank. "Phil" called me trying to get my credit card information to complete the transaction. I told "Phil" that I was no longer interested in the product or services offered by GMT. They have NOT stopped calling!! They called twice today so far since 9 am central time! What part of my previous comment was racist??!!?? If the person can speak english clearly, there would be no problem at all. Also, if those people were in the United States legally, they would have MANY more jobs available to them! You can't tell me that they ALL have the life long goal to work in customer service. For you to twist my previous comment and come to the conclusion that I was "racist" makes you racist. And just because I make more than $74 k a year you assume I would be interested in $174 k?? At ANY moment it time I can access 1.32 million dollars. Not from loans. My money that I earned! The ONLY reason I looked into your product was for an employee of mine that mentioned they wanted to make some extra income. He told me about GMT and I thought I would look into it for him and buy your product and surprise him with it. I discovered that it wasn't as good as you advertise. Do you know why you are here "trying to get victims their money back"?? It is because the people answering the phones at GMT do NOT speak english very well. If they did, these people would have had their money returned and your presence on this site would not be necessary.

Again: Silly and now ridiculous too!

You assume that someone with an accent could not possibly be named Phil... and you think that if he doesn't share his real name with you, he is dishonest. Yet you Mr. OneQuestion did not share your name with us on this forum. So now, you are racist and hipocritical. Nice.

I'm done arguing with ignorance.


Everyone... I'm on this board to help you get money refunded, and help you feel like you were treated fairly. Just ask!

[OneQuestion]

Originally Posted by ItsEasyToFixThis

Again: Silly and now ridiculous too!

You assume that someone with an accent could not possibly be named Phil... and you think that if he doesn't share his real name with you, he is dishonest. Yet you Mr. OneQuestion did not share your name with us on this forum. So now, you are racist and hipocritical. Nice.

I'm done arguing with ignorance.


Everyone... I'm on this board to help you get money refunded, and help you feel like you were treated fairly. Just ask!

Then YOU WILL be one of the idiots I will be suing then! That's nice to know. WHAT IS YOUR NAME YOU IGNORANT BIGGOT??!!??!!?? You and GMT will know my name whaen you are served your summons to appear!!!! You have no idea the financial trouble you and the rest of the GMT con artists are in do you???? You post your name and I will then post mine!!!!! Show me proof of ONE person that came to the United States from Iraq, Pakistan, or India that has a legal name like Phil, Steve, Bob, or Mike!!! Promise you that you can not do so!! You say you're done arguing but yet you keep replying!! Can't help yourself can you?? What else do you have?? NOTHING! You work for a company that misrepresents its self. Your information is quoted as free. Just pay shipping. Shipping is paid by US currency therefore it is NOT FREE! That is just ONE OF MANY lies your company is guilty of! You want to be considered legit and not a scam?? If so, Include ALL the terms and conditions WITH the ads that your company puts out! No links, WORDS IN ENGLISH so the people that have faith that not every company is scamming people can easily read!! I understand it is our responsibility to check that information our selves, but to intentionally mislead people by not announcing there are other charges that apply when the person fills out their information is SCAMMING!! And the STUPID 7 day cancellation period?? By the time people realize that you are NOT sending the cd out, it is way past the 7 days. That is another scam techniqe! AND to all the other people reading this, You CAN get ALL this information on the internet, completely 100% FREE. No shipping charges! No credit card! No debit card. GMT is taking advantage of the fact that not everyone knows this. If you want to sell products online, contact the companies directly. They will be happy to help you any way they can. Google Money Tree IS WORTHLESS!!!!

[googtreescrewedm2]

Hey just wanted to say I got my money back! I am now going to the BBB and withdrawing my complaint. Thank you!!

[OneQuestion]

By John Breyault, Vice President of Public Policy, Telecommunications and Fraud

"The good folks at the BBB told us that Google Money Tree does not have a valid business license and that they began receiving complaints about the business in November 2008, which is incidentally around the same time that our Fraud Center began receiving complaints as well (are we surprised?)".
"Google Money Tree has an “F” rating with the BBB"
"Internet companies like Google are respected names, scam artists frequently make use of their names to try and associate themselves with such companies’ good reputations".

[ItsEasyToFixThis]

Originally Posted by googtreescrewedm2

Hey just wanted to say I got my money back! I am now going to the BBB and withdrawing my complaint. Thank you!!

Thanks again for your patience. Please let us know if you need anything else, and we sincerely hope you find the WFH opportunity you are looking for.

[ycantigo]

[quote=ItsEasyToFixThis;704505]

Originally Posted by ycantigo

So after reading the entire thread I feel like I'm due for a refund as well. I finally see the scam for what it is. What I noticed from other posts and my own experience is that unless you catch them within 7 days (which GoogleMoneyTree says you won't get the CD within) then they'll get their $72.21.

I find this interesting because the way the website reads and explains things is that all of the information is on the CD and you should wait to get it. That means that most consumers will see if their investment is worth it by waiting for the CD. I placed my order on 1-8-09 and didn't receive a CD until 1-20-09 but I was charged on 1-14-09 for the $72.21. That means that I was charged for information I hadn't received yet. I have just cancelled today after reading this thread.

But what I really find interesting is that after getting the CD it really is a scam because the information is the same on the CD as is on the site. Not to mention the article that leads you to the site is about taking online surveys for money and NONE of that information is on the site or the CD.

I'm a technical person with many websites under my belt and I have successfully sold lots of the stuff on eBay and *****slist. The information on the CD can be easily downloaded for free on the web so there is no purpose to this site or company. What they offer isn't even quality stuff but just a compilation of junk from other sites put in one place.

The real scam here is the sales pitch of the letter and how genuine it sounds and makes things seem. This is why this site is successful at getting people to signup.

Please take the warnings from me and others in this thread. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY.[/quote]

To address some of your concerns:

The fact that the kit and this site have some similar content is not a scam, it is the way we make sure you have access to all the information to ensure you wish to continue your membership. The kit contains the latest version of the site.. but the site is updated all the time. That is actually a really positive thing for the consumer.. not a scam.

Also.. you CAN NOT just download the info off the Internet for free. We have purhcased all the licences, and reseller certs so that you get access to all the software, ebooks, audio and video training.. etc. Also, our creators have authored the most up to date and in depth dialouge and text on using Google to earn an income from home. These are people that make over a million dollars a year doing what they teach.
Obviously if you are buying kits online, you still are not as successful as you could be, so maybe instead of assuming it's a scam, you should just dive in and learn everything you can.

I'm not sure why you think you deserve a refund, since you knew what the terms and conditions were in advance.

Send me a private IM letting me know why you think the way you do.

I just want to say that my money was refunded today even the $3.88.

Maybe I was mistaken by calling it a fraud but you have to admit this many people can't be mislead by accident.

Thank you.

[justtoomuchtime]

So it seems like the best approach here is to continue to educate consumers to make sure they always, always find terms and agreements before they enter credit card numbers.

I have a friend who's an attorney who used to work at one of the AGs offices so I'm going to see if she might give some insight into how best educate the consumer.

Another attorney friend works at the American Bar Association and has helped put together some good educational material for consumers in the past.

Also, since many States have their own negative option rules it will be useful to pull all those together in one place.

[justtoomuchtime]

Bizarre new twist. In 8 years of running an online business and networking with most of the top online marketers I have never seen anything as strange as this. The company YOU are discussing here has added this clause to their terms:

"You agree in advance that referencing this site (including its owners, physical address, URL, links, content and legal name) on any other website, electronic message board, forum or review site is strictly prohibited without prior express written authorization from the owners of this website"

And is threating anyone who posts anything about their company without their permission $10,000 EACH TIME they do it - EVEN in cases where YOU mention it to someone ELSE and THEY post it.

This will be an interesting clause to run by my friend who worked the AGs office.

Now, you can tell THAT is a company that is CONFIDENT in the quality of their product.

I have never seen a NORMAL Internet Marketing/Online Business add such a bizarre clause until recently.

And just when I was starting to tell people on my site they were really improving things. I just had posted that they had significantly improved their order process.

[BorisZ]

And is threating anyone who posts anything about their company without their permission $10,000 EACH TIME they do it - EVEN in cases where YOU mention it to someone ELSE and THEY post it.

This will not hold in any court. And if before they were just an average semi-legal marketing scheme, now they have all red flags of scam.

[EagleOne]

I was asked to give this site a read, and see what I thought of all the posts here.

Now let me see if I have got this straight. People cannot get refunds from calling the customer service center, which is part of their job, but a company representative is here providing refunds to these people instead of doing it through the company customer service center.

I guess this means GMT can shut down their customer service department and just have the company rep handle it all through this thread. Think of all the money they can save by doing it this way.

What we are being led to believe is that people post here complaining about them having problems with GMT's customer service people being rude, refusing to give refunds, and either putting them on hold for hours on end, or hanging up on them. Then magically the company rep shows up here and in a couple of posts has granted and made all these refunds. Then the people who got these refunds praise the service and will now withdraw their complaint they filed with the BBB or whomever.

Quite a neat idea of trying to deflect all the negative press, upset people, and all the complaints being filed. What is truly amazing to me is why the company rep just doesn't give out his phone number so people can call him direct, instead of having to PM him/her to get help? More importantly, why doesn't their company customer service department do the same thing this company rep is doing, since that is part of their job in the first place?

Great having shills come on to make it look like they are upset, the company rep comes along to save the day, posts are made they got their refunds, complaints filed are going to be dismissed, and everyone is happy. Yeah right.

I'm sure that Scam.com would be more than happy to have all this traffic to this thread so people can get their refunds from such a great and caring company rep doing business here instead of through the company.

Of course the company rep doesn't give his/her name, title or contact info, but chastises others for not saying who they are and what their job title is.

Here's a news flash for the company rep: You are going to be one very, very busy person on this thread. Now that people know all they have to do is come here and complain, and you will take care of their refunds; you will be busy 24/7. Sure would be a lot easier using the customer service department don't you think?

Nice try at smoke and mirrors, but you forgot the mirrors.

[justtoomuchtime]

Of course it could all just be an elaborate victim recovery scam.