Vitamark

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

LOL.... why, because Soapboxmom says so.....

No, because of the proven viewing figures, page-ranking and search-engine results.

Some people here make their points with facts, legal references and objective, verifiable information.

Others tell series after series of lies, flounder around, and persistently get shown up to be deceptive idiots.

(There's an analogy there in the London taxi trade, perhaps, Doyleyboy: some are licensed taxi-drivers who have learned the "London knowledge", are official and approved. Others are fly-by-night unlicensed scammers?)

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

No, because of the proven viewing figures, page-ranking and search-engine results.

Some people here make their points with facts, legal references and objective, verifiable information.

Others tell series after series of lies, flounder around, and persistently get shown up to be deceptive idiots.

(There's an analogy there in the London taxi trade, perhaps, Doyleyboy: some are licensed taxi-drivers who have learned the "London knowledge", are official and approved. Others are fly-by-night unlicensed scammers?)

Viewing figures mean nothing. It just means someone has landed on this site from a search. What they think of this place when they get here is another thing...... and any sane individual would think this is a nuthouse

Please explain the in-joke about taxi drivers, I'm not getting it..... is it just that I come from London?

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

someone has landed on this site from a search.

Exactly my point: people are looking, and they're finding.

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

any sane individual would think this is a nuthouse

That's because over the last week you've made more posts than all the rest of the membership added together.

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

Exactly my point: people are looking, and they're finding.

And thats my point. They are looking, finding, but what are they thinking?
The type of person you would want joining you in a business, would not be the type of person who takes the information on this place seriously.
For example, most of the mods and most of the posters here are telling people that ALL MLMs are illegal. That is quite plainly a lie... only a fool would believe that, and who wants a fool to join them in business?

That's because over the last week you've made more posts than all the rest of the membership added together.

Good. And if that contributes to this place being thought of as a nuthouse, then my job is done

[Doc Bunkum]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Good. And if that contributes to this place being thought of as a nuthouse, then my job is done

Funny, but just last week your hero and idol Lenny had this to say (speaking on mlm.com about this forum):

There are millions of MLMers out there, and hundreds of thousands who are actively involved. If even all those who participate in this board, even occasionally, would post just one or two short pro-MLM comments a day we would completely deluge that board with positive, supportive, pro-MLM information. No, I'm not saying promote your company (they'll delete it and ban you), I'm suggesting we flood that board with logical, mathematical, historical, legal, facts the support our profession.

This has to be a grass roots effort to involve the industry on a much larger scale. Imagine, if even one-half-of-one-percent of all active distributors in just the U.S. would post even one supportive comment a week. That's well over 10,000 comments!

We could so easily turn scam.com from a cesspool of anti-MLM propaganda into a clearinghouse of factual, verifiable, pro-MLM information. As an industry we have the ***** to do this and with so little effort on the part of each individual.

Why can't we accomplish this?

Len ********

To which you replied:

I think Len has a great idea about as many of us as possible going over there and posting positive things about MLM. Even though I had intended to never go there again, a few days ago, Ive changed my mind now, but instead of getting involved in long drawn out discussions/arguments, I'm going to make one or two (or three ) positive MLM posts a day, but NEVER get into any discussions about it.

And now you say:

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Good. And if that contributes to this place being thought of as a nuthouse, then my job is done

You realize Lenny isn't going to be pleased with you if finds out what you said, don't you?

He's likely to stop you from performing cyber fellatio on him every time you talk about him, and then what are you going to do?

[Soapboxmom]

Lenny actually said this:

I'm suggesting we flood that board with logical, mathematical, historical, legal, facts the support our profession.

Hahahahahaha!!!!

He doesn't come on here with numbers and reasonable, logical explanations. He won't post and discuss court cases that he brays support his wild tales. Lenny is just a blowhard. The real problem is the facts that many well educated anti-MLMers provide are scaring off the recruits. He wants to bury the fact in garbage posts like the ones Chris and other pro-MLMers on here are making daily.

Soapboxmom

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum

LOL, absolutely priceless one Doc - you couldn't make it up if you tried, could you?!

[Doc Bunkum]

Originally Posted by Erneston

LOL, absolutely priceless one Doc - you couldn't make it up if you tried, could you?

The thread is here for all to enjoy: SCAM.COM .

[Skeptic Al]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Good. And if that contributes to this place being thought of as a nuthouse, then my job is done

Again talking out of both sides of his arse. What happened to this place being such fertile recruiting ground? Remember all the business you were getting from this site Chris? I guess that was pretty much BS too, surprise, surprise.

Chris, you have gone way past the point of being laughable. I am not sure what you are getting out of this, but hey fill your boots.


What happened to the Vitamark link in your sig line? Anything you want to share with the group?

[Doc Bunkum]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Al

What happened to Vitamark link in your sig line? Anything you want to share with the group?

Good catch!

[ohein56]

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That is a Google search for Vitamark. Spot 6. Keep exposing your scamming Chris. The public is reading and you are seriously harming the company you are a rep for!

Soapboxmom

ROFL!!!

If that were the case, why is SOC growing like gangbusters!?

You'd like to think that scam.com has that kind of influence, wouldn't you, Heather? It DOESN'T.

People show up, and see how overboard people like you are (ALL MLM's!??!), disrespectful, and hate-filled this place is, and they MOVE ON, laughing. Mumbling to themselves, "what a joke that place is"

My 'guess' is as valid as yours is! Probably more so...

ROFL

[Owninator]

I looked into send out cards. In my personal opinion its a ckeverly disguised pyramid scheme, oheim. What dies that make you?

Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Owninator

I looked into send out cards. In my personal opinion its a ckeverly disguised pyramid scheme, oheim. What dies that make you?

Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.

Spellcheck is your friend.

Your opinion in this regard is worthless. How do I know? Next question, please...

If you deem SOC a "cleverly disguised Pyramid scheme", could you please direct us to an MLM that ISN'T one?

I'll sit here and smoke my pipe & wait for your lucid reply.

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Please explain the in-joke about taxi drivers, I'm not getting it..... is it just that I come from London?

No, you're Irish (had you forgotten?).

It's the fact that you don't like or respect regulations and complying with them, so you drive an unlicensed taxi.

And the fact that you don't like or respect regulations and complying with them, so you pretend that the "70% rule" in MLM doesn't exist at all.

And the fact that you don't like or respect regulations and complying with them, so when I decided to take a quick look at the business blog you're promoting on several websites, I was totally unsurprised to find this; it's exactly what one would expect from an imbecile always looking for a short-cut and doing things the quick and thoughtless way without regard for the consequences.

[Soapboxmom]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

2. Noone takes scam.com seriously anyway.

Gee, Chris, Lenny disagrees with you:

Some of these threads get tens of thousands of views, and they are about 95% horrendously negative towards our profession. This has got to be hurting us all, and I think we can do something about it.

Lenny names you and Kerry as his stooges over here. You really should let him approve your posts here before you put them up! I notice the Mods over there are editing like crazy. Luckily here folks can freely speak their minds.

Soapboxmom

[Owninator]

Looks like chris has deleted that link you posted erneston. Also just for the record i dont see what having irish ancestry has to fo with anything;) a liar is a kiar regardless of ethnicity.

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by Owninator

Looks like chris has deleted that link you posted erneston.

Look again, Owinator. He hasn't deleted it. Wordpress have deleted it because ... guess what? ... he contravened their terms of service!

Originally Posted by Owninator

Also just for the record i dont see what having irish ancestry has to fo with anything;)

No, nothing at all: I was simply responding to Doyleyboy's comment about "being from London" (because he isn't!).

Originally Posted by Owninator

a liar is a liar regardless of ethnicity.

Agreed.

[Nearly Got Sucked In]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Viewing figures mean nothing. It just means someone has landed on this site from a search. What they think of this place when they get here is another thing...... and any sane individual would think this is a nuthouse

Please explain the in-joke about taxi drivers, I'm not getting it..... is it just that I come from London?

So every month over quarter of a million of them land here.

Do you personally contact everyone of them to find out what they thought?

I know that nearly half of them leave after one page.

The other 140,000 UNIQUE monthly visitors read an average of 4 pages and spend 6 minutes on the site

That's over a million people getting a lot of information every year consistently so yeah they must think it's a nut house LOL

[USANAWatchdog]

Len ******** wrote:

No, I'm not saying promote your company (they'll delete it and ban you), I'm suggesting we flood that board with logical, mathematical, historical, legal, facts the support our profession.

Len ******** has already achieved this on the Yahoo USANA message board. Hundreds of Yahoo aliases were created around May 2007. Then about 3 months later, hell was unleashed and each of those aliases began spamming the heck out of the forum. Day by day the number of aliases grew, and so did the number of postings, which were cut and pasted garbage from USANA's website and press releases. The postings grew to hundreds per day. This continued for over 2 years.

The result: Nobody posts on the forum any more. All Pro-USANA members left as well as the Anti-USANA members. Then, one by one, old relevant threads and postings were being removed (which happens if you report the posting or thread as abuse, Yahoo doesn't check it, they just delete it). The spamming campaign worked.

So when I just read what Len Clement's wrote in the above quote, it reminded me of exactly what took place on the Yahoo forum. Len ******** is attempting to destroy this forum by having people completely flood this forum with so many postings, that it makes each thread impossible to follow. Posting the same talking points over and over by 10,000 people is exactly what the DSA encouraged all the MLM companies and their distributors to do by flooding the FTC's "Proposed Business Opportunity Rule" with tens of thousands of pro-MLM comments. They even had templates set up from various companies for their distributors to use. It worked, and the FTC currently has MLM business opportunities EXEMPT from the proposed business opportunity rule. The FTC is not very competent...

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

Look again, Owinator. He hasn't deleted it. Wordpress have deleted it because ... guess what? ... he contravened their terms of service!



No, nothing at all: I was simply responding to Doyleyboy's comment about "being from London" (because he isn't!).



Agreed.

Oh dear jana, wrong on so many counts!

Your wordpress link is not mine. My wordpress link is www.Vitamarkblog.com and its still there. Check.
I think you'll find that ''cravescience'' was used by Dr. Allen when she was at Vitamark, and when she left she didnt want any connection left to her.

Point 2... I am both a Londoner and Irish. I was born in London of Irish parents. I chose my nationality years ago as I am entitled to either British or Irish nationality. I hold an Irish passport.

Really jana.......poor stuff from you.

And for the other chaps on here, I put back my link to Vitamark below. Wouldnt want you thinking I'd been kicked out now, would we....

As Doc Brian said......GOOD CATCH!!!

[ChrisDoyle]

And no, jana, I'm not a taxi driver, unlicensed or otherwise.

[Nearly Got Sucked In]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Oh dear jana, wrong on so many counts!

Your wordpress link is not mine. My wordpress link is www.Vitamarkblog.com and its still there. Check.
I think you'll find that ''cravescience'' was used by Dr. Allen when she was at Vitamark, and when she left she didnt want any connection left to her.

Point 2... I am both a Londoner and Irish. I was born in London of Irish parents. I chose my nationality years ago as I am entitled to either British or Irish nationality. I hold an Irish passport.

Really jana.......poor stuff from you.

And for the other chaps on here, I put back my link to Vitamark below. Wouldnt want you thinking I'd been kicked out now, would we....

As Doc Brian said......GOOD CATCH!!!

Last post in Jun you really are a stickler for detail.

And didn't surprise me one bit to find out you're a plastic paddy.

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Your wordpress link is not mine.

You're lying yet again.

I've seen comments from you on other people's blogs where you yourself have given that as your website. And no, before you ask, I won't give you the pleasure of a backlink or any viewers for any Vitascam material here by listing them.

Liar, liar, liar

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Nearly Got Sucked In

Last post in Jun you really are a stickler for detail.

And didn't surprise me one bit to find out you're a plastic paddy.

Its probably the last post forever. There are better ways of building MLM than on the internet........ thats why whatever you say about me on here doesnt matter, I build relationships with people offline.

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

You're lying yet again.

I've seen comments from you on other people's blogs where you yourself have given that as your website. And no, before you ask, I won't give you the pleasure of a backlink or any viewers for any Vitascam material here by listing them.

Liar, liar, liar

Prove it liar..... go to wordpress and ask them who cravescience is/was registered to, its that easy.

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

go to wordpress and ask them who cravescience is/was registered to, its that easy.

Nice try, Doyleyboy. They don't disclose that, as you know very well.

I don't need to, anyway. I've seen you refer to it as yours.

Mind you, I've seen you say you're a personal nutritional consultant as well.

[Nearly Got Sucked In]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Its probably the last post forever. There are better ways of building MLM than on the internet........ thats why whatever you say about me on here doesnt matter, I build relationships with people offline.

You know I love you really Chris.

You don't build it on the internet but you need to do something to support it, considering the amount of waffle you type here it would be wise to have something positive.

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Nearly Got Sucked In

You know I love you really Chris.

You don't build it on the internet but you need to do something to support it, considering the amount of waffle you type here it would be wise to have something positive.

I love you too......

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

Nice try, Doyleyboy. They don't disclose that, as you know very well.

I don't need to, anyway. I've seen you refer to it as yours.

Mind you, I've seen you say you're a personal nutritional consultant as well.

If it was mine, I'm wondering what your point is anyway?

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

I'm wondering what your point is anyway?

Yes, we know you're pretty dense. Others will understand it, I think.

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

Yes, we know you're pretty dense. Others will understand it, I think.

So, in other words, you have no point.

[ChrisDoyle]

Type in "Vitamark" in Google and see what the the Google suggestions are - in the top 5 in "Vitamark International Scam" and "Vitamark Scam"

Type in "Vitamark Scam" into Google and the fifth result is a squidoo page titled 'VitaMark International Scam' - this is however not a article calling it a scam, rather an article presumably written by an affiliate essentially promoting VitaMark and MLM in general. Not only is it a poorly written article, but it is one written by an unethical marketer. This isnt the result of a poor untrained marketer. It was written by someone with a clear understanding of article marketing with the intention of fooling people who read the article. There is no reason to call the review "VitaMark International Scam" other than to push other out other articles written by could-be unbiased parties with a similar title. The trick is often used with get-rich-quick schemes and is very black-hat unethical.

VitaMark attacts some very dubious marketers. I also consider calling yourself and others nutrional consultants despite not being checked in anyway a very shady practise indeed, but dont want to delve into this on this thread any further. We already have 2 threads talking about VitaMark, Ill happily discuss it furthur if youd like on either of those.

Mumei, I just looked on Google, and all you see is, as you say, people adding ''scam'' to the word Vitamark.
Apart from the people on here complaining (90% of which is aimed at me personally), do you actually have even one genuine complaint from someone about the company?

I dont call myself a ''nutritional consultant'', I prefer ''Affiliate''.
The company doesnt call me one either.
Even if I or the company did, there is nothing illegal or unethical about it (only in your own mind). To consult means to speak about a subject with someone. That is what I do.

You said Vitamark ''attracts some very dubious marketers''. Who are they please?

Do you have even one genuine complaint?

[mumei101]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

Mumei, I just looked on Google, and all you see is, as you say, people adding ''scam'' to the word Vitamark.
Apart from the people on here complaining (90% of which is aimed at me personally), do you actually have even one genuine complaint from someone about the company?

I dont call myself a ''nutritional consultant'', I prefer ''Affiliate''.
The company doesnt call me one either.
Even if I or the company did, there is nothing illegal or unethical about it (only in your own mind). To consult means to speak about a subject with someone. That is what I do.

You said Vitamark ''attracts some very dubious marketers''. Who are they please?

Do you have even one genuine complaint?

You're misunderstanding me - Im not on here saying Vitamark is a scam - and Im not saying that people should avoid it - Im saying its attracting dubious marketers - legitimate MLMs can still attract dubious marketers which is why its critisized - not because of the products but because of the marketing.

You ask me to name you some dubious marketers - for a start the person who wrote that article ranked number 5 on Google - its Black-Hat Article Marketing - using misleading titles to fool users and push out potential competitors.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the consultancy subject.

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by mumei101

You're misunderstanding me - Im not on here saying Vitamark is a scam - and Im not saying that people should avoid it - Im saying its attracting dubious marketers - legitimate MLMs can still attract dubious marketers which is why its critisized - not because of the products but because of the marketing.

You ask me to name you some dubious marketers - for a start the person who wrote that article ranked number 5 on Google - its Black-Hat Article Marketing - using misleading titles to fool users and push out potential competitors.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the consultancy subject.

So really you're not saying much then, just that one person has used the term ''Vitamark scam'' in an article.

If you can find any real complaints (apart from on scam.com, and Ive explained the reason for that - its against me personally), then dont hesitate to come back and I'll be happy to discuss.

The fact is, in the seven years I've been involved with the company, admittedly mostly as a customer, I cant remember hearing or seeing even one complaint.

I see you've put it on your blog that there is a lot of criticism of Vitamark. Looks a bit unprofessional posting lies like that doesnt it? I suggest you've maybe been caught up in the anti-ChrisDoyle hysteria that happens here.

[mumei101]

Originally Posted by ChrisDoyle

So really you're not saying much then, just that one person has used the term ''Vitamark scam'' in an article.

If you can find any real complaints (apart from on scam.com, and Ive explained the reason for that - its against me personally), then dont hesitate to come back and I'll be happy to discuss.

The fact is, in the seven years I've been involved with the company, admittedly mostly as a customer, I cant remember hearing or seeing even one complaint.

I see you've put it on your blog that there is a lot of criticism of Vitamark. Looks a bit unprofessional posting lies like that doesnt it? I suggest you've maybe been caught up in the anti-ChrisDoyle hysteria that happens here.

More than one actually. How many articles implying a third party review or implying its a scam are actually written by a genuine third party review calling Vitamark a scam? None.

[GeryD]

Originally Posted by mumei101

for a start the person who wrote that article ranked number 5 on Google - its Black-Hat Article Marketing - using misleading titles to fool users and push out potential competitors.

Actually the individual, Igor Kheifets, is an internet marketer and NOT a Vitamark affiliate. He promotes Jonathan Budd's materials and I believe another system or two over time. I've researched a portion of his text and hs name a couple of ways and it comes up with several companie, He takes hot search terms and puts them into articles and performs the necessary steps to boos himself in search rankings.

[MWave]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Gee, Chris, Lenny disagrees with you:

Lenny names you and Kerry as his stooges over here. You really should let him approve your posts here before you put them up! I notice the Mods over there are editing like crazy. Luckily here folks can freely speak their minds.

Soapboxmom

I can't speak for Chris, but I do agree with him, and the two positions can be reconciled.

My concern is that anyone who Googles the MLM company they are investigating and the word "scam" (as anyone doing a proper due diligence should) will see all of these negative comments and immediately be alienated from that company. However, anyone who actually explores scam.com and reads these comments within their proper context, and considers who is posting them, can not possibly take this board seriously as a legitimate investigative tool. It certainly has the potential to be, but not as long as the "moderators" are so biased and ineffective in enforcing the "no personal attacks" rule, and as long as its a haven for anonymous trolls who destroy every thread that even has the potential of containing a dignified debate.

That's why I post here. To make sure that those who really dig into this board see who's really behind it and what their agenda is - so they won't take it seriously.

Len

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by MWave

It certainly has the potential to be, but not as long as the "moderators" are so biased and ineffective in enforcing the "no persona attacks" rule, and as long as its a haven for anonymous trolls who destroy every thread that even has the potential of containing a dignified debate.

There's no chance of people who look closely taking it too seriously while liars like Chris Doyle continue to make hundreds of posts every day, admittedly.

Lenny-boy, is it ever possible for anyone to have any opinion different from your own without being called an "anonymous troll"?!

Originally Posted by MWave

That's why I post here.

I see. I'd always guessed that someone with an IQ as high as yours would see the enormous harm you've done both to your own reputation and to Yoli with your posts, and need a far more compelling reason than that, to compensate for the damage done. But then again, they take you to pieces pretty effectively even at mlm.com these days, too, don't they?

[calvinandhobbes]

Originally Posted by MWave

I can't speak for Chris, but I do agree with him, and the two positions can be reconciled.

My concern is that anyone who Googles the MLM company they are investigating and the word "scam" (as anyone doing a proper due diligence should) will see all of these negative comments and immediately be alienated from that company. However, anyone who actually explores scam.com and reads these comments within their proper context, and considers who is posting them, can not possible take this board seriously as a legitimate investigative tool.

or maybe it's mostly you that think that and perhaps there are some posts with merit.

It certainly has the potential to be, but not as long as the "moderators" are so biased and ineffective in enforcing the "no persona attacks" rule,

well, maybe since Kerry is no longer a moderator, that will be less of the case given he is just as biased as SBM but with nothing but personal attacks.

and as long as its a haven for anonymous trolls who destroy every thread that even has the potential of containing a dignified debate.

well, maybe ChrisDoyle will get banned one of these days and that will be far less of the case.

[USANAWatchdog]

I've sent Vitamark two Emails regarding their Limu Kids Foundation. Here is what I sent:

December 28, 2009

Vitamark,

According to the IRS, foundations must make certain public disclosures.

What disclosure laws apply to private foundations?
Private foundation returns (Form 990-PF) filed on or after March 13, 2000, are subject to the same disclosure rules as apply to other exempt organizations.
A private foundation must also make its exemption application, supporting documents, and letters sent from the IRS available for public inspection, and provide copies of these documents in the same manner as other exempt organizations.

I am requesting Vitamark to provide me the above information about the Limu Kids Foundation.

Thank You

Then on December 31, 2009

Vitamark,

I'm puzzled as to why I have not received any response to my previous request. My request is legitimate. By Law, you are required to provide me the requested information regarding your Limu Kids Foundation.

It is now January 10, 2010 and I have yet to receive any response from Vitamark. I seriously question the validity of the foundation. If they do not respond with the appropriate data, I will be contacting the IRS.

[Owninator]

Usanawd that is interesting. One would assume that any company purporting to act as a charity would have a pre-made statement in letter form outlining the legal aspects. Should take a secretery 5 seconds to simply send it back.

If usana doesnt respond, i agree, you should alert the proper authorities immediately, especially if you suspect they are stealin g/money meant for dying children

[Soapboxmom]

Originally Posted by USANAWatchdog

I've sent Vitamark two Emails regarding their Limu Kids Foundation. Here is what I sent:

December 28, 2009
Then on December 31, 2009
It is now January 10, 2010 and I have yet to receive any response from Vitamark. I seriously question the validity of the foundation. If they do not respond with the appropriate data, I will be contacting the IRS.

The IRS and the state of Texas require certain disclosures be made available to the public for copying and inspection. Vitamark should probably not be touching a dime, but instead requesting that folks donate directly to the registered charity they are supporting. The deductions may not be tax deductible if made to the non-existent Limu Kids Foundation, but the registered 501(c)3 charity will be tax exempt and deductible for the donor as well. Their unwillingness to respond immediately to legitimate questions after Chris Doyle was on here soliciting money is a huge red flag!

Soapboxmom

[USANAWatchdog]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

The IRS and the state of Texas require certain disclosures be made available to the public for copying and inspection. Vitamark should probably not be touching a dime, but instead requesting that folks donate directly to the registered charity they are supporting. The deductions may not be tax deductible if made to the non-existent Limu Kids Foundation, but the registered 501(c)3 charity will be tax exempt and deductible for the donor as well. Their unwillingness to respond immediately to legitimate questions after Chris Doyle was on here soliciting money is a huge red flag!

Soapboxmom

And as I have suggested several pages ago, Vitamark's Limu Kids Foundation doesn't exist. It is simply a website designed to get people to send their donation to Vitamark.

Whether Vitamark actually sends the money to the BIG Love Cancer Care charity or not is questionable. However, IF they do send the money to the charity, guess what? VITAMARK receives a Tax Deduction for the donation!

The IRS needs to investigate this.

[Owninator]

I suggest saving a copy of chris posts solicsiting funds for limukids. If it turns out that that the charity is legal, fine. But if not, that means that the company he represents is potentially stealing funds meant for dying children.

It sounds very odd to me, and i consider the limukids debacle highly suspect. But i leave it up to more capable people than me to find out whether its a fraud or not.

[ohein56]

Still chasing windmills?

When you finally find things all on the up & up, please be sure to come back and wipe the slate clean from all the shit you've thrown here. It'd just be the right thing to do. Dont-cha think?

I'm sure VitaMark would like that. So would I.

[Soapboxmom]

Kerry,

Why don't you research charity law and non-profit corporations in Texas and explain how Vitamark is operating in the manner prescribed by law. Perhaps Vitamark will respond if you ask for more information about the charitable activities they are engaged in. Check out the disclosure laws published by the IRS and state of Texas and see if you can get those disclosures from Vitamark.

Soapboxmom

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Kerry,

Why don't you research charity law and non-profit corporations in Texas and explain how Vitamark is operating in the manner prescribed by law. Perhaps Vitamark will respond if you ask for more information about the charitable activities they are engaged in. Check out the disclosure laws published by the IRS and state of Texas and see if you can get those disclosures from Vitamark.

Soapboxmom

Sorry, you're the one looking for dirt with your, "ALL MLM's are ILLEGAL SCAMS" agenda, not me, Heather!

Have at it.

When you get your disclosures, just make sure you clean up your mess. It stinks.

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Their unwillingness to respond immediately to legitimate questions after Chris Doyle was on here soliciting money is a huge red flag!

Soapboxmom

Thanks for pointing this out, Soapboxmom.

Somehow the words "Chris Doyle" and "red flag" seem destined to go together, though, don't they? Scammy companies attract scammy distributors, I suppose.

I thought Chris's colleague Gery had clarified the point about the charity, at about the same time that he kindly exposed and confirmed some of Chris Doyle's lies about the company and about his own website - but maybe not?

[Owninator]

Gery seemed to answer some questions, but whos gery? He could be anybody. And hes also clearly a friend of chrises. He only comes in when chris needs him.

Anyway, i dont know whether limukids is a scam or not, but chris doyles responses when asked sent out HUGE red flags. I think many readers on here would feel more comfortable seeing real documents. Which have, btw, NO reason to be hidden. Any real foundation would be HAPPY to prove its authenticity....i actually hope it is a real charity, i would hate to think people are on this board robbing sick children to line their pockets. Please say it aint so!

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by Owninator

whos gery? He could be anybody.

I think he's who he says he is. Many of us are, you know? He's been a well-known member on mlm.com and other forums for many years, identifies himself readily and uses his own photo in forum avatars, it seems.

Originally Posted by Owninator

And hes also clearly a friend of chrises. He only comes in when chris needs him.

It was actually Gery who exposed Chris's lies about Vitamark and Chris's website, and explained to us that some of Chris's accounts of his business included "inaccuracies" and "misstatements".

To be fair to Gery and his objectivity, I certainly don't think he was doing Doyleyboy any favors there!

Originally Posted by Owninator

Anyway, i dont know whether limukids is a scam or not, but chris doyles responses when asked sent out HUGE red flags.

Yes, I agree with that part, certainly. The problem there, perhaps, is that we've all seen Chris Doyle lying so often, so repeatedly, and so emphatically here, and now we've even had that fact confirmed even by one of Chris's own colleagues, that in theory it's even possible we might sometimes assume that he's telling a pack of lies just from force of habit, because that's what he usually does, and there could occasionally be some true stuff in there as well, among all the "inaccuracies" and "misstatements". You just can't tell. I do agree it's a big and serious issue, though.