Scammed by Lifepath Unlimited

[whitestallion15]

Just wondering how many other people out there have gotten taken by this company. Unkept promises, DVD's that never got delivered. Specifically their 8 hours of DVD's from their Discovery course. How about the Awakening mentorship calls that were supposed to be archived for downloading. Not anymore, unless you pay extra for their Lifepath pro system. Oh yea, and how about how they decide to change their conference dates without much notification to its associates. As long as they get your money they'll do whatever it takes to benefit themselves and leave you broke and stranded. I'd love to get some feed back. Especially with those out there that are gung ho about their LPU venture. I have an earful of facts I'd love to share with you. I just want the truth to be told once and for all and the truth is.... during their pre-launch back in Aug. 2007, What they advertised in their products they never delivered the way they promised. If you had saved copies of their original threestepsinfo.com website like I did you'd see exactly what I'm getting at. Want more info.. feel free to ask and I'll provide

[tocs]

I've worked with some of those guys in the past when I was in another program & it's the same thing everywhere they go. No real system or marketing expertise. Most of the people who have success are hard closers who rope you in based off hype & feed you with empty promises of support & assurance of easy money.

You need a proven marketing system to be successful online or off & make sure what ever you join has marketing/advertising resources that are up to date. Then make sure the program has a call center to close your sales for you. If you don't have those 3 ingredients you will struggle to make money with any type of online wealth program unless you are a hard closing sales expert who lacks a conscience.

[ibuzzmentor]

Well put, this business model has so many competitors out there it was doomed to fail. Yes the key to making money is to market a product of value that has benefits to the end user. If the product isnt what was agreed upon then there is a big problem.

Companies like GRN and Ibuzz Pro which are done above board are the companies that are worth while to join.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by whitestallion15

Just wondering how many other people out there have gotten taken by this company. Unkept promises, DVD's that never got delivered. Specifically their 8 hours of DVD's from their Discovery course. How about the Awakening mentorship calls that were supposed to be archived for downloading. Not anymore, unless you pay extra for their Lifepath pro system. Oh yea, and how about how they decide to change their conference dates without much notification to its associates. As long as they get your money they'll do whatever it takes to benefit themselves and leave you broke and stranded. I'd love to get some feed back. Especially with those out there that are gung ho about their LPU venture. I have an earful of facts I'd love to share with you. I just want the truth to be told once and for all and the truth is.... during their pre-launch back in Aug. 2007, What they advertised in their products they never delivered the way they promised. If you had saved copies of their original threestepsinfo.com website like I did you'd see exactly what I'm getting at. Want more info.. feel free to ask and I'll provide

It sounds like a not very well thought out plan!?

They have a few decent people on board, but it looks & feels so much like Liberty League it's kind of wierd!

Kerry Hein

Based in where ? Scottsdale where LLL is located

Lifepath Founder?? JOE NEID who was CEO of the LLI scam

PLEASE DO NOT FALL FOR THIS SCAM ..

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Self Employed

Based in where ? Scottsdale where LLL is located

Lifepath Founder?? JOE NEID who was CEO of the LLI scam

PLEASE DO NOT FALL FOR THIS SCAM ..

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/

Just what the world needs another LLI clone.

Kerry Hein

That is exactly what this pgm is

Neid is not even his last name and was
a hated man by the LLI associates with
the way he would smear and trash
the LARGE MAJORITY who never made
a dime

[Soapboxmom]

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/compplan.pdf

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/

Check out the comp plan linked above. It is obvious where scammers like Tim Darnell cut their teeth. That is so like his and LLI's programs. These guys like Darnell and Neid learned the golden rule of MLM. The money is made by the originators and a few heavy hitters, so if you want to make money start your own egregious venture where a mere 98% will lose their money----many lose tens of thousands----- while lining your pockets. Of course really smart scammers sue the Better Business Bureau and the devastating loss rates are confirmed by their own financial records. Folks may spend thousands advertising these schemes.

Folks should approach anything like this with extreme caution.

ezinearticles says:

First, What is Liberty League International?

Liberty League International is a classic pass up program or otherwise known as a 2 up or "aussie 2 up" program. They sell three different motivational products including: Beyond Freedom Home Study Course for $1,495, a 3 Day Conference for $7,995, and the Summit 5 Day Conference for $12,995. aThe attraction to this business is that the commissions are very large...$8,000 for the Summit 5 Day Conference. However, who do you know that is willing to pay almost $13,000 for a motivational conference? Even a motivational seminar by Anthony Robbins is only $795, and he is arguably the most influential motivational speaker in the world today. So the prices seem extremely inflated to say the least.

Is Liberty League International legal? In short, the answer is yes for now. However, They have had some problems with the legal system. In May 2006, the Arizona Attorney General issued Liberty League International a $115,000.00 fine.

In addition to civil penalties, attorney's fees, and restitution, the defendants are also required to:

• Refrain from making unsubstantiated income claims.

• Advise potential customers of the correct percentage of participants who have made a profit through their participation in the Liberty League program.

• Refrain from making any false or deceptive statements in their marketing materials.

Ouch!

Soapboxmom

[lpbizman]

Not sure what is going on - but this looks like that DVD series:

http://discoverydvdseries.com/

Anyone get one yet?

[Soapboxmom]

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=43242

Soapboxmom

[LPUCustomerService]

Greetings everyone,

My name is Anthony Williams and I work for LifePath Unlimited in Customer Service. I'd like to offer you all my contact information and welcome your calls. Many of those posting here have never phoned our office despite our numbers being public. If you have questions or complaints about our products or service of if you'd just like to speak with an actual person who works for LPU please don't hesitate to call. We can only satisfy complaints that we hear about and rumors create misinformation.

LPU maintains regular office hours Monday-Friday.
37555 N. Hum Rd. Suite 207 Carefree AZ 85377-2411
My phone number is 480-361-5520.


To clear things up, originally LPU was going to release their product on DVD. Due to a breakdown in relationship with the production company in Fall of 2007 the DVD's are held up in litigation and a billing dispute. LPU moved forward instead with a 8 CD audio program, a 56 day online training program that includes video, and a year-long live mentoring Saturday series with top experts and renowned leaders.

To be really frank, it seems that most of the posts to this thread are from disgruntled members of the production company wrongly using this forum in an apparent attempt to slander LPU's reputation, illegally so. We gather this to be the case as you'll notice that the most frequent posters here are always trying to beg questions about the DVD's. Since September 2007, LPU has not been promoting a DVD course. As a matter of fact, discoverydvdseries.com was the creation of the production company in an attempt to damage our company. The only parties that knew about discoverydvdseries.com were the production company and ours so obviously "ipbizman" is yet another ploy posted here by the production company (or one of it's associates) to try and damage our companies ability to do business.

TheBottomLine is also a disgruntled associate of the production company who is wrongfully going outside of the proper and legal lines of settling a billing dispute. You'll notice that TheBottomLine never claims to be an actual user of our products, yet always speaks from a disgruntled point of view and always posts questions that contain company knowledge gained while working for LPU on the production team. That TheBottomLine has for months now been using this forum to attempt to damage LPU's reputation is wrongful and illegal. But to address TheBottomLine's latest posting. No there are no class action lawsuits being brought against LPU. Check the court records. This is simply a vicious rumor that TheBottomLine is trying to damage LPU with . Although in a billing dispute with the production company LPU makes no attempts to damage the production company's reputation or ability to do business. LPU's response is to prepare litigation to account for the damage being done here by the production company and/or it's associates and pursuing in earnest through proper channels, a resolve on the billing dispute.

LPU cares about treating its customers and vendors with respect and integrity, and is always available to take your calls.

LPU has always stood behind its commitment to products of true value and high quality, hopefully setting new standards of excellence in the personal development industry. I invite you to take a close look at our current products, the satisfaction rates from our overall customer base, the integrity of our business model, the standards of our business training, and our customer service care.

And give me a call if I can be of help to you,

Sincerely,

Anthony Williams
Customer Service
LifePath Unlimited
480-361-5520.

[Lord_jag]

Originally Posted by LPUCustomerService

To be really frank, it seems that most of the posts to this thread are from disgruntled members of the production company wrongly using this forum in an apparent attempt to slander LPU's reputation, illegally so.

First off, if it's written it's libel - not slander. Libel is actualyl worse because it's easy to prove it existed. There is a record of libel by it's very nature that is hard to prove with slander.

Second, if they are recounting their personal experience or opinion, then it's covered by free speach. It's only libel if it's not true and you can prove it - the onus is on you to prove it.

Otherwise, thanks for showing up. I'm not a customer, but I hope these guys problems are solved.

[Big 10 Fan]

This is Joe Neid's 'gift to the Industry"

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/A8B/0AB

joe@lifepathunlimited.com

Neid was Previously the CEO at Liberty
League International in Scottsdale ....

That in itself sums up things why this is nothing more than a BIG TIME SCAM

FOUND THIS POST ONLINE:

Now here is Joe Neid, a guy who never made it past high school, putting the strings of Mr. ‘I went to university not you Scammer Jim Rivas”. Its ironic that Joe promotes education when he never when past the local high school. But to be fair, that did not stop him in his plans, hey, he started an insurance company that actually made some profits until it collapsed under a cloud. (Again). He was also a ‘VP of sales” for a company called Global Prosperity, (just Google "global prosperity scam" to see the kind of company he represents and you can see where LifePath is going. I mean, lots of the folks who get into these programs are not scammers, they are well intentioned, but look at the management, they all ended up in jail except Joe, (interesting, read on, it happens often in Joe’s life). So look out, soon they will have to clear a cell for that bunch in LifePath, with guys like Joe involved. Joe was the kind of guy that Rivas could learn from; both of them looted downlines, raping other team leaders, like Marion DeBois. Here is how they do it, (so pay attention), they will wait for some well-meaning person to build up a team, then find a way to prove that person broke some rule, then, they as the management, assign that team to themselves and collect, collect and collect! Watch it will happen to you too, if you start making any money.

Think I am going over board about Joe Neid? No way, he was the VP of Sales of jailbird J. W. Zidar and Steven Moreland, (the Vista International, Oakleaf International and Rosewood International investment clubs). Joe was the guy doing all the conference calls, promoting J.W. and company as being ’15 years old” and “rock solid” etc, (sound familiar?) whereas it was just one big scam, Joe convinced many innocent members of Global Prosperity to invest into this illegal ponzi deal that turned into a $74 million scam. Joe would go on these calls, and convince people to get a second mortgage on their homes, or go into debt, just to loose every sent, and often, their homes. But what does he care? He has a Million Dollar mansion in Scottsdale. Hey, visit him, and have a dip in his pool, say hi to his wife, and remind her where all that money came from. Even David Ike, who takes on Bush and the royal family, attacked Joe Neid. Just scum. Joe, when the legal dust cleared, was already looking for more sheep to fleece. He found in a little company called Liberty League. I was wondering when they would fire him, and sue Joe. Well, they did. When they saw that he was setting them up to grab $30,000 per month, trying to up sell their novice distributors to pay for all of their products at one time, at a cost of about 20K, a (which led to the Attorney General to crack down on them), Joe was kicked out of the corporate office and sued twice by them. Too bad that so many people got hurt.

Joe Neid: king of scams and still at large.

It’s no wonder that Joe would hook up with an aspiring scammer like Jim Rivas. Jim is the “New Wave” of scammer, hiding for now under Joe’s coat tails, but watch, this observer predicts the huge ego of Jim is really plotting to over through Joe. Of course, Joe is really just using Jim to capitalize on his energy, (Jim is one energetic scammer), and as soon as Joe is ready, he’ll castrate Jim…and Jim will scream all the way to the jail cell. Joe does it so well, that poor young Jim just doesn’t have a chance. They already ran away from legal issues in Oregon, and soon AZ will be sniffing around too.

[JJ09]

This thread has nothing to do with Life Path as a company & it has everything to do with those who are in the program.

AND THIS has nothing to do with the company getting it's material together?

A program is only as good as those who are allowed to represent it as leaders or top guys.

To see for yourselves just do a search on google for these guys then you will see for yourselves the number of people who are saying they were scammed or mislead.

To leave with a thought.

I know there will always be people who want to pass blame but when there are groups of people saying they were scammed, mislead and ripped off by certain individuals.....well you figure it out.

[1081]

Originally Posted by Big 10 Fan

Neid was Previously the CEO at Liberty
League International in Scottsdale ....

He was not. How would the CEO be getting fired through an email from Brent and Shane? How could the CEO be getting an email at home telling him his "services where no longer required" from his own company?

Joe was an independent contractor they hired. He was in charge of supervising, overseeing, booking in advance, and organizing the conference events overall. He also spoke on stage at each event and on training calls. He conducted the company's daily "wake up" calls as well.

Neid is another big time bser who gives this industry a dark image

Good and accurate comments via 1081

[EnlightenedWealth]

O.K. I would like to add my experience with LifePath Unlimited.

About 4 monts ago I joined LifePath because I thought it was a perfect fit for me.

I am a Certified Life Coach and wanted a business in the personal development field and a product that I would be proud to offer my clients as well as people who wanted to be in the business. I did not want a lot of hype or fluff just a real business.

I was also looking for a community of people with HIGH integrity and values. The other thing I wanted was a system that offered me built in, landing pages, autoresponders, marketing tools...

And you know what...that's exactly what I got.

As for Joe Neid I have had nothing but good experiences with him. He is a real down to earth human being who truly wants to make a difference in this world. As soon as you meet the guy you can feel how genuine and caring he is.

It's funny how when you become successful others want to knock you down.

It is really unfortunate that some people are so willing to bash a company who truly is legitimate and cares about the people who are a part of their community.

About 2 years ago I got started with another home business opportunity. Although the company was legitimate it just wasn't for me because I didn't really believe in the products or the culture so I left and joined LifePath.

Now some people would probably bad mouth them but you know what they were a good compnay too just not for me.

If you are a sceptic you might think that I am saying all this just to build my business because you can't actually believe that there are honest people in this world.

To you I would say that you will NEVER find a business that you believe in because your inner critic won't allow it. So I wouldn't want you on my team anyway because I don't think that I should have to convince anyone to build a business that will give them the time, money and fulfillment that we all want. You either want it or you don't.

This business is only for those who are serious about changing there lives and who are willing to do the work it takes to succeed.

It is not a magic bullet.

You DO have to work. Go figure, who knew you would have to actually WORK to make 6 or 7 figures.

[EnlightenedWealth]

Do your homework and you will see that LifePath is very different from LLI.

The only similarity is they both offer personal development products and conferences. The similarities end there.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/compplan.pdf

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/

Check out the comp plan linked above. It is obvious where scammers like Tim Darnell cut their teeth. That is so like his and LLI's programs. These guys like Darnell and Neid learned the golden rule of MLM. The money is made by the originators and a few heavy hitters, so if you want to make money start your own egregious venture where a mere 98% will lose their money----many lose tens of thousands----- while lining your pockets. Of course really smart scammers sue the Better Business Bureau and the devastating loss rates are confirmed by their own financial records. Folks may spend thousands advertising these schemes.

Folks should approach anything like this with extreme caution.

ezinearticles says:


Ouch!

Soapboxmom

Great post, SBM!

This is why ?-ups have become popular IMO.

Many of those 'sharks', that have discovered ?-ups, IMO, have given up on building downlines in MLM, as that takes too much time coddling and nurturing people from small groups to grow into big ones.

They want right now money, with vigorous 'up-front' commissions like those offered in those types of programs.

?-ups suck.

The high failure rate (95%+) is high throughout sales, in or out of MLM. ?-ups allow the sales pro's to earn big commissions immediately, enrolling the ignorant or unwary, without having to even build large groups. Everyone else(the people not so adept at sales) earns little or nothing, while they skip to the bank cause they know how to sell well. They sign em up, get their big rip of a commission, & move on since there's little to no incentive for group building any more in a ?-up.

The ones that flounder can only get one or two sales & their done! It's why the 'sharks' like ?-ups. Big commissions, & no downline to build. JMHO

?-ups SUCK!

Kerry

[EnlightenedWealth]

If you are going to slam LifePath then get your facts right. It is NOT a passup plan. You get paid $1000 with your very first Discovery sale and for every one after that as well.

It is sad that people like you try to destroy the reputation of valid companies just so you can feed off the fallout. You are only hurting the entire industry with your uneducated decisions.

[ianoint]

[quote= Companies like GRN and Ibuzz Pro which are done above board are the companies that are worth while to join.[/quote]

You know my philosophy is this, With all these companies sharing the same in the Personal Development Industry, really what degree of separation do these companies have, Quite Honestly, NONE. Products do not vary much, systems do not vary much.

I work with all these guys, their so called "plug-in system" is the same whore in a different dress. So you get more of the cheap thrill, hype and rah rah that you would imagine anywhere else.

There is so much focus on the product, and proven systems "EVERY WHERE" you go, and this is the major problem in this industry. 95% of the people who are in business don't belong, not because they are incompetent, but because they are afraid of being in the drivers seat.

Accountability is a [place vulgarity here] and thus so much finger pointing takes place. First thing most say is "I FOLLOWED THE SYSTEM, WITH NO RESULTS".

I don't know about you but, if somebody called me and said I make 10 K a month by following a simple system, would that same system apply IF I wanted to make 20K a month ? NO, obviously things have to be done differently, AS RESULTS WILL VARY.

So who want's to be a true leader ? The Maverick, The One Who Is Accountable to their own success ? SOMEONE PLEASE SAY MEEEEEEEE!, This industry needs people like you.

The professionals, who are not afraid to sell bikinis to Eskimos. You know the ones with inclination to risk. Who value the RISK to REWARD component of business.

The company you are working for does nothing but give you a product to sell, THATS ALL, you are not legally binded as an ENTITY to the company, YOU ARE YOUR OWN BUSINESS, take ownership, be proud and in the end STOP BI^CHIN!

If You can sell BOTTLED WATER, and COFFEE for $4.95, then the assumption is AS LONG AS THEIR IS A PRODUCT, THERE IS A MARKET.......

So in conclusion the degree of separation between these companies is simply NONE, but what degree of separation does "YOUR" business have from the rest? That's for you to decide.

Neid?

that aint even his last name

the lying sack of shit who destroyed lives over at LLI is a fat ass POS who ran from Glolbal Prosperity with Hamburger and Payine

screw his fat ass with the damage he has caused with many folks in this industry

[Willi]

Hi "white stallion" see you spend a lot of time on a lot of forums. Anyway, what I want to know is;

1. Is anyone speaking here on this forum qualified to say whether this or any company is good or bad?
2. Is anyone on this forum because they tried one of these companies and it didnt quite work out for them or they just couldnt follow the system?
3. Is anyone on this forum even able to "without personal gripes or feelings" able to tell me how you establish who is the company to work for?

Lets face it! There are many of these so called "Life Building" firms out there.
*Its called Freedom of Choice!*
There are many that people HAVE earned GOOD Incomes and improved their lives with many of these products out there!
But because someone has had a "not so productive" experience as they may have wished with whichever of the products and from whichever company, they have deemed that so themselves!
And by the way NO NO NO I am NOT some Radical Enthusiast or Gung Ho for any particular firm, but the products are another thing!
I only posted this as I saw a Mirror Copy of a post on another web forum about another company by the same person no doubt?
Bottom line is: I am as successful as I am due to my own ability, There is a *System for everybody, just doesnt always work out they way we like. So if imbaciles decide they want to vent their failures on web forums rather than going into a dark room and crying it out! Then I think I will stay away! I was hoping to find and share some positive stuff that is out there with other interested individuals about maybe just which company and which products you may have tried and your honest opinions as to why it didnt work for you!
Who will be the next LLI?

This is a Liberty League International spinoff ...

ENOUGH SAID?

[ianoint]

This is incredible, this whole thread is scam this scam that, well I guess you would expect that from a message board called SCAM.com, but I think this thread has lost focus, and it's almost laughable that certain names like Neid are posted and made use of as target practice.

I don't know the guy, I don't care to know the guy, but if you want to beat on Neid, send him fan mail. Stop posting on these boards with speculation, speculation or "general" assumption is what has this economy on it's knees. When things are controlled by speculators, commodities rise and fall, THINK OIL!!!!! Think Wall Street, Think about the housing market.....I am sure somebody here refinanced because some speculator and the self-interest of some mortgage broker out in California said...DON'T WORRY HOME VALUES ARE GONNA SOAR INTO THE YEAR 2059!....

Rather then being controlled by the demand of the markets, and common sense, these commodities were controlled by self interest, The Dictators of "THE MIGRANT MIND" . Here is how it works, I say Joe Neid is a scam, guy 2 agrees so on so forth. I have not read one testimonial from anyone who has been scammed directly. But wait a second, did I say self-interest was a primary factor in all of this ?

Somebody here is promoting Advantage Conferences, some other individual is promoting BULL#HIT leads, who buys leads these days? Sorry for my blunt nature, but it is guys like these and speculators abroad that have turned this industry into a finger pointing circus.

Liability goes straight to the distributor, and the distributor agrees to operate a business. So if out of the GATE, your business is not working, do you not owe it to your investment to BUST YOUR A$$ TO MAKE IT WORK ? or is it just easier to sit on these boards and defame an individual who despite having a "horrible" track record is kicking so much A$$ you might as well call him an Astronaut. Come on guys lets be real here. Lifepath, smells like Liberty league, who smells like EPI, who smells like GLOBAL PROSPERITY....Hey buddy, TOYOTA, GMC, and FORDS ARE ALL CARS, so mechanically they are all going to operate the SAME!, and THE NEW CAR SMELL IS DAMN NEAR UNIVERSAL!

So the common denomination is THIS, THEY ARE ALL BUSINESSES!

So lets get back on track and talk about Lifepath Unlimited, or Liberty League, and someone please please please delete Anthonies post, the pathetic customer service plea to defend the company.

Defend the company with measurable results. If you must! Grow some balls and re-invigorate the industry with out of the box thinking, dare to challenge all and really really show your prospects and distributors what self help and empowerment is really about. Empower your organization to embrace an ever-changing and dynamic business environment, stop peddling the same ol'cookie cutter BS.

With the economy now in a death spiral, it's time to educate and empower the masses to bring this country back to its roots, Entreprenuership is here to stay...Welcome back the micro-economy.

Welcome to Network Marketing

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by ianoint

This is incredible, this whole thread is scam this scam that, well I guess you would expect that from a message board called SCAM.com, but I think this thread has lost focus, and it's almost laughable that certain names like Neid are posted and made use of as target practice.

I don't know the guy, I don't care to know the guy, but if you want to beat on Neid, send him fan mail. Stop posting on these boards with speculation, speculation or "general" assumption is what has this economy on it's knees. When things are controlled by speculators, commodities rise and fall, THINK OIL!!!!! Think Wall Street, Think about the housing market.....I am sure somebody here refinanced because some speculator and the self-interest of some mortgage broker out in California said...DON'T WORRY HOME VALUES ARE GONNA SOAR INTO THE YEAR 2059!....

Rather then being controlled by the demand of the markets, and common sense, these commodities were controlled by self interest, The Dictators of "THE MIGRANT MIND" . Here is how it works, I say Joe Neid is a scam, guy 2 agrees so on so forth. I have not read one testimonial from anyone who has been scammed directly. But wait a second, did I say self-interest was a primary factor in all of this ?

Somebody here is promoting Advantage Conferences, some other individual is promoting BULL#HIT leads, who buys leads these days? Sorry for my blunt nature, but it is guys like these and speculators abroad that have turned this industry into a finger pointing circus.

Liability goes straight to the distributor, and the distributor agrees to operate a business. So if out of the GATE, your business is not working, do you not owe it to your investment to BUST YOUR A$$ TO MAKE IT WORK ? or is it just easier to sit on these boards and defame an individual who despite having a "horrible" track record is kicking so much A$$ you might as well call him an Astronaut. Come on guys lets be real here. Lifepath, smells like Liberty league, who smells like EPI, who smells like GLOBAL PROSPERITY....Hey buddy, TOYOTA, GMC, and FORDS ARE ALL CARS, so mechanically they are all going to operate the SAME!, and THE NEW CAR SMELL IS DAMN NEAR UNIVERSAL!

So the common denomination is THIS, THEY ARE ALL BUSINESSES!

So lets get back on track and talk about Lifepath Unlimited, or Liberty League, and someone please please please delete Anthonies post, the pathetic customer service plea to defend the company.

Defend the company with measurable results. If you must! Grow some balls and re-invigorate the industry with out of the box thinking, dare to challenge all and really really show your prospects and distributors what self help and empowerment is really about. Empower your organization to embrace an ever-changing and dynamic business environment, stop peddling the same ol'cookie cutter BS.

With the economy now in a death spiral, it's time to educate and empower the masses to bring this country back to its roots, Entreprenuership is here to stay...Welcome back the micro-economy.

Welcome to Network Marketing

WOW!

Lets see... WealthMasters, Liberty League, & Emerald Passport are in your signature file!?

Wealth Masters International recommends joining with their "platinum plus program" which consists of all three courses and is priced at $20,750.

I'll bet they do! I'll bet they do...

IMHO, you're in three of the worst companies in MLM.

Still caught up in your learning curve, are ya??

Just curious.

Welcome to the forum, maybe.

Kerry

[ianoint]

Originally Posted by ohein56

WOW!

Lets see... WealthMasters, Liberty League, & Emerald Passport are in your signature file!?



I'll bet they do! I'll bet they do...

IMHO, you're in three of the worst companies in MLM.

Still caught up in your learning curve, are ya??

Just curious.

Welcome to the forum, maybe.

Kerry

Kerry,

Please read as you are truly discrediting your intelligence, I am not affiliated with anyone company nor do I set to defame any one company to the benefit of another. I am not involved with LLI, or EPI, or wealth masters international. I believe everyone of these guys has a unique product and way of doing business. Those who fail scream SCAM, wonder if someone who is Making 20K a month will do the same ? Probably not, but that would make them an accessory to the scam ? These companies will only be as great as their leaders.........Furthermore if you read my sig line and follow the link you will find a plethora of resources that will help any distributor in any organization hands down, WHY ? because my methods are customer-centric, and focus on Team Growth as opposed to BUILDING, make sense ? please think it through before haphhazordly qouting me, your opinions are welcomed, but your invalid statements will not be.

Cheers to the Success Of ALL
Contempo

[EnlightenedWealth]

It still amazes me how people thrive on negativity. So many people are willing to bash others to promote themselves or their business and what is the cost?

All of this talk about scams and rip offs only discredits the ENTIRE industry. If you trash one of them it hurts ALL of them.

After being in top tier direct sales for a couple of years now I have learned a LOT.

If you want to succeed at any of them and you are willing to work and get the coaching and training that you need YOU WILL succeed.

BUT you can NOT sit back and wait for someone to spoon feed you. You must have the motivation, determination and work ethic to make this or any business work.

Do your homework before you start any business and make sure that you choose the best leader for you and your needs.

And YES it does cost money but can you tell me of any business that you have ever heard of that can make you multiple six figures and doesn't require an investment???

This is a Direct Sales BUSINESS not MLM where you invest $50 and need to get thousands of people to make peanuts.

Do your homework and don't listen to all of the hype and overblown promises but also don't listen to anyone who tells you it's a scam.

It is REAL and YES YOU CAN find the time for your family and yourself, the money to live the lifestyle you want for yourself and your family and the fulfillment of knowing that you are helping others.

Bottom line you will FAIL and start crying SCAM if you are the type of person who thinks it will be handed to you or if you are negative and believe the lie that if it's sounds too good to be true it probably is.

But... you will do very very well if you are willing to work, have a positive and determined mindset and refuse to fail.

Trust yourself not someone who didn't make it work and blames other people for it.

Call me crazy but there is a better way and you can have it all. Don't give up on that.

The CEO of this company ran with the fellas over at Global Prosperity named
Michael Hamburger, Brett Payne, Jason Cox etc before being shut down by the
Feds

Same business model and the CEO was behind the troubles Liberty League International has encountered with the
AG in Arizona

[ianoint]

Success is a choice, it's basically who you are after what you do. The difference between the successful and not so successful is the "do" factor, The doers go out there and make something happen, the complainers are the one's who sit and watch.

For those who call Lifepath Unlimited, Liberty League International, or Wealth Masters a scam, I have a question for you. Have you come to that conclusion before, or after you made no money ?

Unlike Tina upstairs I have no affiliation with no one so I have no one to impress with my kind words or care to establish any credibility, screw that mess. I am here and I write because so many have taken this industry down with their pathetic lives.

For those who failed with LLI, LPU, EPI, WMI, or "what and who am I , ok that was a joke"

Answer me this, Do you know anything about payperclick ? Do you know anything about blogging ? Do you know anything about creative marketing methods, or about Viral marketing ? Or did you post ads in the paper THE NEXT DYING MEDIA, did common sense not kick in after The Tribune company decided to go into Structured Bankruptcy, did it not occur to you after buying 400 million leads that your type of audience is not "joe the trailer park guy" who is looking to be the next poster CHILD for the rags to riches OVERNIGHT, ARE YOU SERIOUSLY KIDDING ME ?

So now off to answer a question. IS LIFEPATH UNLIMITED THE BEST THING OUT RIGHT NOW ? NO, oh wait thats personal opinion right ?

Point taken yet ?

But one thing not left to personal opinion and stated as a fact. Lifepath Unlimited is the NEWEST THING OUT, and basically a brand new romance has hit the industry very much the way Liberty League International did over 8 years ago.

But in being the new kid on the block some ask now, Is Lifepath Unlimited, better than Liberty League, the answer is NO, no major benefit to one over the other, next.....If I had to choose which company I had to work for which one would it be? It doesn't matter, I WORK FOR ME, just give me a product (Discovery or Beyond Freedom) and I WILL SELL THE HELL OUT OF IT, because I am properly equipped to do so, and so would you if you followed the link in my sig LINE.

AND..... Tina we love you and no disrespect to the company, but Lifepath Unlimited really needs to focus on marketing education, business education, sales education.....this will really trully, distinguish lifepath in the Indsutry, otherwise ONCE MICHEAL HAMBURGER, moves from LLI to LPU, the masses wont view this as a defection (of LLI's poster child) and a win for LPU, but create a transfer of STIGMA that has brought LLI to it's KNEES......

want to learn more..........follow the sig

this is another GP operation where
Joe "Neid" ran with Michael Hamburger and
Jason Cox

[Anne Martin]

I have read these Posts and although everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is not always the opinion of others. I am with LifePath Unlimited for several months now. I have recieved all the training material I was told about and "The Dicovery Series" is everything that was promised...and more.

what I find so refreshing about this Company is the positive input it puts back into people's lives. Average and ordinary people have the same opportunity as everyone else.

It strikes me that some people may not understand it takes work and dedication to build a business and Lifepath tells you that straight up. It is not a lottery ticket nor is a get rich instantly scheme..what it is , is a Company that delivers what they say and it's up to you ..to do the work necessary for your success .

The honesty and Integrity of this Company warms my heart and it's a Company that I can say I am proud to be part of...I am sorry to read this kind of negativity..and I am sorry it didn't work out for you.. but please don't poison others and allow them to see the Integrity of LifePath Unlimited for themselves. It's an honest and true opportunity that is changing people's lives... I have found nothing else out there to compare this Company with.

Anne Martin.

Self-promotion link removed by mod)

[Roy Naim]

Joe Neid is a wonderful person. He, together with two other founder, have created LifePath Unlimited. In my dealing with him, I find him a warm caring person, who is passionate about the product that LPU has to offer and is willing to offer his insights as well.

LifePath Unlimited, if you did do your homework and went through their site, is NOT a pass-up business model.
When you buy the Discovery Series, besides for aquiring a great product, you are actually investing in your business as well. This way the very next sale you make goes directly to you as the website shows.
However, if you decide not to purchase the product for whatever reason, and you may call it a bad business decision for not doing so, you will pass up your sales.
When it comes to Breakthrough and Destiny, the model works a bit differently but again it is a great compensation plan that allows for residual income.
Whatever it is....its in the attitude. If you approach it like a business, do you work, invest time and money...the money should come.

Roy Naim

www.RoyNaim.com

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ohein56

?-ups suck.

Originally Posted by ohein56

?-ups suck.

Originally Posted by ohein56

?-ups suck.

LOL, absolutely typical Kerry Hein!

Has his facts completely wrong, as usual: LifePath isn't a "passing up" company at all.

But for the record, Kerry, no network marketing company using a 2-Up comp-plan has ever been closed down over issues involving its comp-plan, which is actually more than can be said for the comp-plan your company uses, which is illegal in some countries!!

[ChrisDoyle]

Originally Posted by Erneston

LOL, absolutely typical Kerry Hein!

Has his facts completely wrong, as usual: LifePath isn't a "passing up" company at all.

But for the record, Kerry, no network marketing company using a 2-Up comp-plan has ever been closed down over issues involving its comp-plan, which is actually more than can be said for the comp-plan your company uses, which is illegal in some countries!!

Jana, I'm surprised to see you on an anti LLI thread.... I thought Tony Rush was one of your heroes?

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by EnlightenedWealth

It is sad that people like you try to destroy the reputation of valid companies just so you can feed off the fallout. You are only hurting the entire industry with your uneducated decisions.

It's very sad, you're right. But they don't come any less educated than Kerry Hein, I'm afraid. He even thinks LPU is an MLM company (but that's just because he doesn't actually understand what MLM is - it's all ignorance and prejudice with Kerry Hein, as always).

When these people can't fault the "message" they typically try to shoot the "messenger" instead, which is why when you get Kerry Hein and Chris Doyle involved in a thread, it so often promptly stoops to the level of name-calling and personal attacks.

A tragedy that two people can be allowed to destroy what could be a really useful forum like this.

[EnlightenedWealth]

I don't even know who Kerry Hein is but I do know that there seems to be a pattern in the people who show up and want to put down companies that are truly legitimate.

So if you are reading these threads and are taking the advice of someone please find out who they are and if they know what they are talking about.

Don't feed into the fear and negativity of a few people who want to put others down so that they can profit.

If you have what it takes to succeed in this business you have your own mind, so think for yourself.

Erneston, Thank You for pointing out that LifePath is not even an MLM or a passup company.

Forums like this are meant to help people avoid a mistake. If someone like me can make multiple 6 figures with LifePath then anyone can if they do the work.

Yes believe it or not you have to do some work. : )

[ShultzLPU]

Contempo you have some great things to say about all this.

First, I'll wager a great deal of money that everybody on here who is spewing out "Joe Neid" in bad ways probably works with LLI.

Second, in regards to the people who can't seem to get a grip on the way the real world works; you don't just become a business associate, set up a random landing page, and expect to see thousands of dollars being shoved into your bank account on auto pilot.

People are weak, and nobody is willing to step up and take some action; that's the problem with the world today - everybody's gotten totally lazy and nobody wants to work for themselves anymore. People expect to just have things handed to them.

Anything worth multiple 6 and 7 figures is obviously going to require effort, so don't get mad when you spend $750 for a PPC campaign using a stock landing page and found yourself without a sale that month.

Treat it like a real business and it will reward you like one; treat it like your 9-5 and it won't.

[Erneston]

Hi and welcome, Adam.

Originally Posted by ShultzLPU

Contempo you have some great things to say about all this.

I'll second that. Contempo does always seem to be worth reading on these subjects. And a dose of objective reality does no harm around here sometimes.

Originally Posted by ShultzLPU

I'll wager a great deal of money that everybody on here who is spewing out "Joe Neid" in bad ways probably works with LLI.

I was wondering about that. Maybe LLI is just one of those scummy companies that loves criticising all its competitors? Don't know, really. But I think there are also probably some badly informed prejudiced people who'll also spew out the name Joe Neid in bad contexts just because they don't like any businesses like these.

I know that LLI's not an MLM company (though it's Network Marketing, of course, and says so openly). Is the same true of LifePath Unlimited, do you know? Clearly it's Network Marketing, but does it pay commissions on multiple levels and is it registered and licensed as an MLM company? From what I can make out of them, they would have no legal reason to be - so I'm guessing not but I don't actually know - thought you might?

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Erneston

I know that LLI's not an MLM company (though it's Network Marketing, of course, and says so openly).

Ernie, Give it up. There's no difference between MLM & NWM. They're both the same business'. Unless you can prove otherwise.

Here's an excerpt from a forum with LLI's Tony Rush & Len Clements, debating this very issue;

Len, the article you made available re:2-ups ( http://www.marketwaveinc.com/viewarticle.asp?id=4 ) was excellent, although when I read it I had a feeling that it would be misinterpreted because the many references & comparisons to MLM compensation plans.

I posted the article on several threads and this is the response to the article by Tony Rush, a LLI distributor, & staunch advocate of the 2-up plans. - Kerry Hein

From Tony R. ~ "Thanks for posting this. Len's illustration of "levels" and "percentages" illustrates that he's still trying to look at a 2-up pay plan through his MLM glasses.

And it's pretty understandable mistake. He's a statistician whos' been in an industry where he's constantly trying to figure up how much money is being received as compared to the total number of participants.

What he still doesn't get is that it's not an MLM pay plan. There is no "downline". Money isn't made on "total sales volume". There is no "breakage". Yet he insists on trying to force the 2-up into his MLM mold.

Thanks for posting this. It's the best illustration of the kind of illogical thinking that the 'watchdogs' use to back up their claims.

P.S. Thus far, we've got a handful of people on this thread who oppose the 2-up but they're really just repeating what they've read from Rod Cook or Len Clements.

Are there any 2-up critics who ever entertain a thought that didn't come from Rod or Len?

Interesting question..." - Tony R.
~~~~~~~~~~~

Len, care to respond?

Kerry

~~~~~~~~~~~
Len Clements Posted - 17 July 2005 21:28
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is also the typical response from those who defend the 2-up. Divert attention away from the real issue - that is, the merits of the 2-up as a system of compensation - and change the focus to whether or not it's an "MLM" compensation plan. But I'll indulge the dodge for a moment.

"MLM" stands for "multi-level marketing." Clearly in a program using a 2-up there are multiple levels of people marketing. I don't understand how Tony and the other 2-up advocates can claim there are no levels in a 2-up. If I sponsor you as my third recruit and you sponsor Bill as your first recruit, don't I get paid on Bill's purchase? Isn't that bonus coming from a sale on my SECOND level? And if Bill's first recruit is Sue, in most 2-ups Sue's order would generate a bonus that would also roll up to me - from my THIRD level. Of course there's a downline. Just because the vast majority of it is invisible to the upline and doesn't generate any income to them doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But, okay, let's say it's not an MLM pay plan. It has nothing to do with MLM. I'll concede the point so we can focus on the actual point - is a 2-up a good system to compensate people for their recruiting and sales efforts? As you can see from the evidence presented in my article, when COMPARED to an MLM system of compensation there is no comparison. You would clearly make far more income for the same amount of sales and effort in a typical unilevel plan that paid out the same overall percentage of commission.

As Tony said, I am indeed trying to figure out "how much money is being received as compared to the total number of participants." In my article I tried to reveal the 2-up's dirty little secret - the "total number of participants" is far greater than you are lead to believe, and you are being paid absolutely nothing on that growing mass of unacknowledged participants. When paid on those participants, as you would be in an "MLM" style of compensation system, you will make more money every time.

And the fact that it is designed to roll up huge amounts of unpaid commissions to the company and program founders is not theory. This has been proven in actual application.

As I asked in the article, if the 2-Up is such a great plan why is it so rarely used by legitimate companies, so popular with money games and pyramid schemes, and why does it have literally a 100% failure rate long term?

MLM or not, it's just a lousy system of compensation.

Len Clements

looks as though there is no legal definition separating NWM & MLM. It's subject to ones own interpretation, not the courts or the DSA.

Erneston doesn't have a clue. Take any of his advice with a huge grain of salt.

Aside from that, he's also a black liar.

Make it great...

Kerry

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ohein56

looks as though there is no legal definition separating NWM & MLM.

Funny that the regulators and MLM lawyers all seem to believe the opposite, Kerry.

Multi-level marketing involves commission payments on multiple levels, believe it or not.

As Tony Rush explains above, LLI do not pay commissions on multiple levels. They pay them on one level only. They are a network marketing company because sponsoring networks are built, from which and through which higher-level sales materialise (this is why you still have such a strong incentive to support your people after they've passed up 2 sales to you, the point completely missed by the people who allege that you're somehow "in competition" with them, and the reason this comp-plan works at all.) LLI are not registered or licensed as an MLM company for the simple reason that they're not an MLM company. As they explain openly on their corporate website (and so do all their advisors) they're a network marketing company not engaged in multi-level marketing. There's nothing complicated or difficult about this, Kerry.

I was simply asking the poster above if the same is true of LifePath Unlimited. I can see for myself, from their comp-plan, that they're a network marketing company. Anyone can see this. But I think they're probably not actually an MLM company: from what I've seen I can see no reason for them to be licensed or registered as an MLM company anywhere, not even in their home state. But I don't know much about them and was asking for confirmation of this. I do hope that's ok with you, Kerry.

It has nothing to do with the DSA. The network marketing companies that are also MLM companies (like yours) and the network marketing companies that are not MLM companies (like LLI and I think maybe LifePath too?) are covered by different laws, different licensing, and regulated by different regulators. That's all. They're different in reality and in law too. I know that you don't understand this, Kerry, but that's not actually relevant to this conversation, so go away and mind your own business please, and allow me to ask the guy from LifePath a simple question, ok?

I have made no secret of the fact that I don't like LLI and I don't like Tony Rush. I'm trying to decide whether LifePath might be worth a closer look. Hope that's ok with you, you interfering busybody.

(Interesting that Len Clements, even in what you quote above, expressly concedes the point that the 2-Up companies are not MLM companies! Not that LifePath is a 2-Up company anyway, of course!).

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Erneston

It has nothing to do with the DSA. The network marketing companies that are also MLM companies (like yours) and the network marketing companies that are not MLM companies (like LLI and I think maybe LifePath too?) are covered by different laws, different licensing, and regulated by different regulators.

Still waiting for the links providing proof. Still...

What a load...

Originally Posted by Erneston

That's all. They're different in reality and in law too.

Show me the laws. I've looked, and can't seem to find a single one!

Kerry

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Ernie

(Interesting that Len Clements, even in what you quote above, expressly concedes the point that the 2-Up companies are not MLM companies! Not that LifePath is a 2-Up company anyway, of course!).

I think you'd better read it one more time, Ernie, Len conceded the point just for the sake of the argument made by Tony R. in the debate, after proving that LLI does indeed payout on multiple levels, making it an MLM, technically.

(I think this whole thing was dreamed up by LLI'rs so that they can advertise, "This is NOT MLM!")

Originally Posted by LenClements

"MLM" stands for "multi-level marketing." Clearly in a program using a 2-up there are multiple levels of people marketing. I don't understand how Tony and the other 2-up advocates can claim there are no levels in a 2-up. If I sponsor you as my third recruit and you sponsor Bill as your first recruit, don't I get paid on Bill's purchase? Isn't that bonus coming from a sale on my SECOND level? And if Bill's first recruit is Sue, in most 2-ups Sue's order would generate a bonus that would also roll up to me - from my THIRD level. Of course there's a downline. Just because the vast majority of it is invisible to the upline and doesn't generate any income to them doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But, okay, let's say it's not an MLM pay plan. It has nothing to do with MLM. I'll concede the point so we can focus on the actual point

Still waiting for the links to the laws that prove your point, Ernie. Still...

Why's it so hard for you to prove this? I wonder...could you be lying about this too?!

Kerry Hein

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Len conceded the point just for the sake of the argument

He conceded the point, Kerry. Stop trying to be right, for once in your life, when (as so often) everyone here can see that you're wrong!

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Erneston

He conceded the point, Kerry. Stop trying to be right, for once in your life, when (as so often) everyone here can see that you're wrong!

Funny.

I'll be waiting for all those links that prove your point, Ernie.



Kerry

[EnlightenedWealth]

I don't want to get in the middle of this heated debate but did want to say to Erneston or anyone else who was wondering that LifePath Unlimited is not MLM and is not a 2 up.

[Erneston]

Thank you, Tina.

I realise that LifePath isn't a 2-Up, is network marketing, and isn't MLM.

(For record, the debate's become very much less heated now, because after many months of denying it, Kerry has now kindly accepted, in another thread, that network marketing and multi-level marketing are not two different terms for the same thing!).

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by EnlightenedWealth

I don't want to get in the middle of this heated debate but did want to say to Erneston or anyone else who was wondering that LifePath Unlimited is not MLM and is not a 2 up.

After looking through the Comp-plan from the LifePath site, It isn't a two-up, it's a one up! it pays on 4 different levels(making it an MLM company) that is IF you buy the product for $1695.00. If you don't purchase the product, you must pass up your first 5 sales to your upline.

So, it's a 1-up, or a 5-up depending on how you join & what one purchases. The comp-plan pays residuals on 4 levels on the back-end, making it an MLM pay plan w/?-up components in the front end of the 'plan'.

FYI.

Still waiting for Ernie to validate his position with a legal definition for the diff. btwn. MLM & Network Marketing companies....still.

Kerry

[Erneston]

Originally Posted by ohein56

After looking through the Comp-plan from the LifePath site, It isn't a two-up, it's a one up!

It isn't an anything up!! How far off the mark can one get?!

Originally Posted by ohein56

it pays on 4 different levels(making it an MLM company)

For God's sake, Kerry. An MLM company is a company in which the commissions on sales of the company's products are divided between multiple levels. This is not an MLM company. It is not licensed as an MLM company in any country in the world. It is not registered as an MLM company in any country in the world. No commission from the sale of any product of the company in any country in the world is ever divided between distributors. One person only earns the commission on every sale. It just can't be any more black and white than this. It is in no sense an MLM company. (I checked just before the weekend with the compliance department and suggest you do the same, if you're willing to listen to someone telling you you've got it wrong, which has almost never happened before). This is network marketing, but it's not MLM.

Sorry, I had absolutely no wish to re-start this argument, but you just couldn't be more wrong about this! It seems that however many times we discuss this, and even after you've acknowledged the difference in another thread, you're still unable to understand the difference between network marketing and MLM. You must be the only person here who doesn't understand it, after all the discussion we've had.

According to your crazy definition of "an MLM company", fortunately not shared by any legal or regulatory body in the world, nearly every insurance company in the world must be "an MLM company" (and a whole lot of others too)!

I'm sorry, the whole thing is just too stupid for words.

It's like talking to a brick wall, but with less intelligence than any other brick wall I've ever encountered.

For God's sake, man, why is this so difficult for you to understand?! And why on earth do you want to keep on and on and on displaying your lack of understanding of it?!

I have no more to say on the subject.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Erneston

It isn't an anything up!! How far off the mark can one get?!



For God's sake, Kerry. An MLM company is a company in which the commissions on sales of the company's products are divided between multiple levels. This is not an MLM company. It is not licensed as an MLM company in any country in the world. It is not registered as an MLM company in any country in the world. No commission from the sale of any product of the company in any country in the world is ever divided between distributors. One person only earns the commission on every sale. It just can't be any more black and white than this. It is in no sense an MLM company. (I checked just before the weekend with the compliance department and suggest you do the same, if you're willing to listen to someone telling you you've got it wrong, which has almost never happened before). This is network marketing, but it's not MLM.

Sorry, I had absolutely no wish to re-start this argument, but you just couldn't be more wrong about this! It seems that however many times we discuss this, and even after you've acknowledged the difference in another thread, you're still unable to understand the difference between network marketing and MLM. You must be the only person here who doesn't understand it, after all the discussion we've had.

According to your crazy definition of "an MLM company", fortunately not shared by any legal or regulatory body in the world, nearly every insurance company in the world must be "an MLM company" (and a whole lot of others too)!

I'm sorry, the whole thing is just too stupid for words.

It's like talking to a brick wall, but with less intelligence than any other brick wall I've ever encountered.

For God's sake, man, why is this so difficult for you to understand?! And why on earth do you want to keep on and on and on displaying your lack of understanding of it?!

I have no more to say on the subject.

See for yourself;

http://www.aboutlifepath.com/compplan.pdf

Kerry