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Old 06-24-2008, 04:21 PM
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Is MLM/Network Marketing "organized crime"

My wife and I watched one of our favorite movies last weekend, "Goodfella's".

While watching that, it occurred to me that there are those on scam.com & elsewhere, that believe that MLM/Network Marketing is the exact same thing same as the Mafia, exactly like "Organized Crime"!

What!?

It's hard to believe that anyone could be so conspiracy minded as to think that every Network Marketing company in existence is no more than an organized criminal activity, like the Mafia!

Do you honestly agree with that? Really!?

Out of the 2000 to 3000 companies in existence right now they're ALL scams!

ALL OF THEM!? The entire industry is an illegal business!? Why aren't the authorities having a field day? The companies are everywhere, and easy to find for that matter! Nothing like the Mafia, they hid everywhere and were very, very hard to pin down. What gives?

Please explain how something so commonplace, so accessable, and so visible could be no more than a Mafia-like, illegal business model!

The Mafioso hid like rats, NWM companies aren't hiding from anyone, legitimate ones at least! And there are many of them! Many.

Don't believe everything you hear, read or see when it comes to NWM, good or bad. Whatever you hear, verify it in several places before buying into anything. Again, do your research first before buying in to anything.

Google "ethical Network Marketing"

Spend some time here; www.firstclassmlm.com

Go to www.mlmwatchdog.com

or www.marketwaveinc.com

Keep your eyes open and your wallet closed, until after your research.

It's an offer you shouldn't refuse!

Is Network Marketing, just like "Organized Crime?". Insights, gripes, observations, Please.

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Old 06-24-2008, 08:46 PM
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Re: Is MLM/Network Marketing "organized crime"

Care to share with us all of the people that think MLMs are just like the Mafia or Organized crime?

We like to call these "Straw man arguments"

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Old 06-25-2008, 07:57 AM
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Re: Is MLM/Network Marketing "organized crime"

It's not "crime" at all, but it is an unethical business model. Is there any MLM out there where the majority of people are making more than they "invest" in the business? If not the majority, how about 25% of the people? Unfortunately most MLMs teach people a hard lesson... the smart ones get out after losing a few hundred or a few thousand dollars, but there are plenty of stories of people who lost their entire life savings, marriages, etc. to these MLM "businesses."

I realize you're in an MLM... is it your primary occupation, or do you have a regular job to support the MLM?

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:06 AM
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Care to share with us all of the people that think MLMs are just like the Mafia or Organized crime?

We like to call these "Straw man arguments"

Please feel free to read up on them from our friends at wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
Anti-MLM zealots like you, sapnky, & nomass among others!

If you feel they're all illegal scams, what's the difference?

Thanks for posting your opinions Chris.

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:17 AM
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Anti-MLM zealots like you, sapnky, & nomass among others!

If you feel they're all illegal scams, what's the difference?

Thanks for posting your opinions Chris.

Kerry Hein
And now we have gone full circle... You keep acusing me of claiming that all MLMs are illegal scams.

Seriously - do you just make this crap up as you go?

I have never said that and don't believe it - For example, I think Avon is a very reputable MLM.

So once again show me where I have ever said that all MLMs are scams or illegal... And this time, don't put my name on one of NoMass's posts....

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:19 AM
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It's hard to believe that anyone could be so conspiracy minded as to think that every Network Marketing company in existence is no more than an organized criminal activity, like the Mafia!
I think your the only one who has ever compared MLMs to the Mafia.... But hey - your good at making stuff up...

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:30 AM
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It's not "crime" at all, but it is an unethical business model. Is there any MLM out there where the majority of people are making more than they "invest" in the business? If not the majority, how about 25% of the people? Unfortunately most MLMs teach people a hard lesson... the smart ones get out after losing a few hundred or a few thousand dollars, but there are plenty of stories of people who lost their entire life savings, marriages, etc. to these MLM "businesses."

I realize you're in an MLM... is it your primary occupation, or do you have a regular job to support the MLM?
Would you care to let us in on how you came to those "conclusions"? Is it from personal experience or are you repeating what you've heard?

I have a "day job", and am a part time Network Marketer.

Network Marketing is what you make of it. It's not an investment plan like the stock market, (which, by the way, does NOT pay the majority of stockholders/investors back either!). NWM, It's a business. Besides there is no such thing as a plan that pays everyone that invests in it.

Like any business, you only get paid if you do something with the business. Most don't do anything, quit, then fix blame somewhere else. "Employee mindedness", is what I blame it on, usually.

Sad but true.

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That's the true nature of NWM. JMHO

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

There are many excellent companies in NWM. You just have to educate yourself a little to find them.

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:35 AM
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I think your the only one who has ever compared MLMs to the Mafia.... But hey - your good at making stuff up...
Anti-MLM zealots like you are the one's pointing fingers screaming "they're ALL scams!".

I used the comparison only to make a point.

Again, you can make up whatever you like about my intent, Chris. Go ahead & spread whatever lies you like about what I thought, did or didn't do.

Go for it!

Thanks again for posting...

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:44 AM
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And now we have gone full circle... You keep acusing me of claiming that all MLMs are illegal scams.

Seriously - do you just make this crap up as you go?

I have never said that and don't believe it - For example, I think Avon is a very reputable MLM.

So once again show me where I have ever said that all MLMs are scams or illegal... And this time, don't put my name on one of NoMass's posts....
Just following your lead. You make up what you like about me, I'll do the same with you.

WOW! I'm shocked, Chris! I stand corrected! You mean there are some legitimate MLM's out there?! They're not all scams!? I see light ahead!

Stop the presses folks, there's at least one legitimate company out of the thousands out there, according to ChrisN! He's an authority.

Avon folks! It's Avon!

I'd mention a few others myself, but that would be biased, right?

Any others?

Thanks again, ChrisN!

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:54 AM
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Anti-MLM zealots like you are the one's pointing fingers screaming "they're ALL scams!".
I haven't ever said that - and you know it........... But keep digger your hole deeper....

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I used the comparison only to make a point.


What you are doing is called a "Straw man" argument.

You really should read up on it.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallac...ml#Straw%20man

Its basically a logical fallacy and is used by those with poor debating skills...... I am again not going to sink to your level....

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Old 06-25-2008, 09:01 AM
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WOW! I'm shocked, Chris! I stand corrected! You mean there are some legitimate MLM's out there?! They're not all scams!? I see light ahead!
I HAVE NEVER SAID ALL MLMS ARE SCAMS.... Its like arguing with a 5 year old... You look like an idiot making all this stuff up...

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Old 06-25-2008, 09:12 AM
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I HAVE NEVER SAID ALL MLMS ARE SCAMS.... Its like arguing with a 5 year old... You look like an idiot making all this stuff up...
Did you read that post? Look c-l-o-s-e-l-y, Chris

I said, "I stand corrected"! That's called a retraction.

It's like arguing with a three year old!

Wanna hammer me about my mistake again too!

Thanks for posting just the same!

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I haven't ever said that - and you know it........... But keep digger your hole deeper....





What you are doing is called a "Straw man" argument.

You really should read up on it.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallac...ml#Straw%20man

Its basically a logical fallacy and is used by those with poor debating skills...... I am again not going to sink to your level....
Thanks Chris, always the gentleman you are...

Still friends?

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Did you read that post? Look c-l-o-s-e-l-y, Chris

I said, "I stand corrected"! That's called a retraction.

There are many good MLMs out there -I am not going to list them all - because I don't know them all.... Your implication in the following post is complete garbage...


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Stop the presses folks, there's at least one legitimate company out of the thousands out there, according to ChrisN! He's an authority.

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There are many good MLMs out there -I am not going to list them all - because I don't know them all.... Your implication in the following post is complete garbage...
Maybe the implication that you are an authority part, but the rest of it, garbage?

You're entitled to your opinions!

Thanks again for your insights ChrisN.

Thanks for posting!

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Thanks again for your insights ChrisN.


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No problem - I am more than willing to continually point out your ongoing lies, deciet, half truths, and strawmen arguments...

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Would you care to let us in on how you came to those "conclusions"? Is it from personal experience or are you repeating what you've heard?
Personal experience of seeing loved ones and friends ruin their lives. Let me clarify my prior post; there are a handful of legit companies that use a Network Marketing model (Pampered Chef & Avon, for example). They focus on selling the product to end consumers rather than recruiting new people.

The whole premise of Network Marketing is seriously flawed though. A common argument you hear from Network Marketers is that they are cutting out the "middle man" and offering their products directly to consumers through distributors. The reality, however, is that the vast majority of MLM products are grossly overpriced when compared to similar products sold through traditional channels. The MLM introduces many more layers of people who get commission from a product (rather than the traditional manufacturer -> wholesaler -> retailer model), and this ends up driving the price to non realistic levels. There is a reason that most MLM companies make the majority of their sales to their distributors rather than to end consumers.

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Network Marketing is what you make of it. It's not an investment plan like the stock market, (which, by the way, does NOT pay the majority of stockholders/investors back either!). NWM, It's a business. Besides there is no such thing as a plan that pays everyone that invests in it.
Yes, but when the vast majority of people are not only not making money, but LOSING money... that's not a good thing. Can you show me an MLM where even 25%, 15%, or 10% of the people doing it full time are earning a living wage (much less "getting rich?")

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Like any business, you only get paid if you do something with the business. Most don't do anything, quit, then fix blame somewhere else. "Employee mindedness", is what I blame it on, usually.
Yes, but most MLM's tell their prospects that if they follow the "plan" exactly (even with no sales experience or entrepreneurial skills) that they'll be rich beyond their wildest dreams.... when the reality is, that they "might" be able scrape enough out of the MLM to "get by" if they're one of the lucky 5% or so that don't lose money.

IMHO, you'd be better off starting a real home based business and provide a product or service to people, rather than wasting time and money with MLMs.


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