Xango

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i came accross Xango about 6 months ago and it seems to be going well. the company seems rock solid. has anyone heard about it?

Link removed. Deceptive.

[dumbexperts.com]

Doen't seem very rock solid after you read the New Vision/ Xango dispte about a patent. http://www.mlm.com/mlm/user/viewthread?thread=4522


Xango may end up losing their patent in a court fight.

Dumbexperts

[jerseylamb]

The people behind the company have big questions hanging over them.
They were terminated by Morinda (TNI) for Industrial Espionage! That lawsuit is still ongoing and Morinda have hired the best lawyers in the State of Utah!

Their Pay Plan is crap for e.g. one of their reps who is turning over a monthly volume of 20,000 is only earning $400 but even worse they have a rep turning over 1,000,000 in volume each month and his cheque is only $9,000.

That's REALLY Pathetic in MLM!

And now that their Patent has been made Invalid they have a lot of trouble brewing! I would not hang my hat there and that's for sure!!

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Thanks for the information. I didn't know about the patent but would that put them out of business?

The guy doing 20,000 in volume probably has bad structure so cannot collect on some levels. he should be collecting about 7% of that or 1400.00/mnth.


But this is great info thanks

[scambuster]

Why would anybody even work for $1400 a month?

Not only is it snake oil, it's also a bad business model!

[WGCI28]

Everybody is an expert. Warren Buffet the second richest man in the world paid $1.5 Billion dollars for Pampered Chef in 2002. Pampered Chef is all about net work marketing.

Hmm, in my search for advice I should take the advice of a guy that is more than likely quite possibly living hand to mouth or should I put stock in the fact that the 2nd richest man in the world thinks that network marketing is a business model that makes sense.

I think I will follow Mr. Buffet, of course unless scambuster is the number one Richest man in the world. Hey Bill Gates is that you on here acting as scambuster?

I guess Mr Buffet is just a blind bofoon like the rest of us and got duped on this MLM thing.

Little people always let little things get in the way of big opportunity! Thats why most people in America allow people like me to come from abroad and eclispe the success that they enjoy right in their own country.

Well Scambuster what you should be screaming about is the way the true pyramid scams --- corp america treats its workers! Last I checked at most companies there is one guy at the top making a ton more money than the little folks down at the bottom that are doing the actual work. Every now and then that one guy wakes up and says I think I will destroy a few thousand lives today by the stroke of my pen and he then sends is Lt's out to reak havoc on hard working decent folks -

Lucent - 70,000 employees down sized
GM - 25,000 to be laid off in the next 5 years
Motorola - 38,000 employees let go
MCI or Worldcom - 40,000 employees let go
Enron and Author Andersen - ALL Employees Let go

you get the point....hmmm how come you are not condeming them when they are responsible for jacking up more peoples lives than any network marketing company. Hell when big corporations do it, they do it BIG! At least with MLM you get to make the decision to get involved and do nothing with it or to do something and escape that CEO deciding your life for you.

Well go ahead and call me an idoit.

I am going to go do what I do best and continue to grow my six figuer annual income that is not dependent on some bean counter not feeling good for the last month about last months figures!

[LittleDigit]

They are not ALL about network marketting, although that is part of the Pampered Chef distributorship plan. Pampered Chef offers a very real, very well-made, line of products that people buy all the time. I know, because I buy their products. No, I'm not a dealer, I don't host parties and I don't sell their products - I simply purchase the products.

The difference between Pampered Chef and Xango is the same as the difference between a Lexus and a hydorgen-*****ed car. One is well-known product with a very long history and a solid reputation. The other is a pie-in-the-sky dream that has never matrialized and won't for many years.

[DethLOK]

Originally Posted by LittleDigit

They are not ALL about network marketting, although that is part of the Pampered Chef distributorship plan. Pampered Chef offers a very real, very well-made, line of products that people buy all the time. I know, because I buy their products. No, I'm not a dealer, I don't host parties and I don't sell their products - I simply purchase the products.

The difference between Pampered Chef and Xango is the same as the difference between a Lexus and a hydorgen-*****ed car. One is well-known product with a very long history and a solid reputation. The other is a pie-in-the-sky dream that has never matrialized and won't for many years.

Uhm... isn't Sam Walton the richest man in America? :eek:

[Triple7]

Xango is a legite company. Some members are already earning over $10,000 per month who jumped in early with the company. I really don't know the health benefits of the juice. Most will fail in MLM anyhow. Contact an existing rep of Xango or the company.

Haywood DeJarnette

[WGCI28]

Am I reading some of this crap correctly????????????? Scam buster asked who would work for $1400 a month? R U Serious? A lot of folks in this country work for a whole lot less! What in Sam Hell are you talking about?


So, if I am understanding you correctly, a good business model is Walmart with most of their employees being paid just enough to not qualify for gov't assistance!

You are a genius!

I guess another great business model is the one where I put myself in harms way and get paid peanuts for it and I have to moonlight to make ends meet!(I was a cop for five years after I got out of school. I am here to tell you for what most police officers have to go through they don't pay them enough!)

But I guess that is a great business model none he less.

I still see that none of you care to address the sucking sound created by the amount of jobs being loss to automation and/or being sent overseas.

I still see nobody is in here objecting to the injustice done to the millions of Americans who have lost thier pensions because of greedy corp executives, the lastest being all he good folks of UNITED airlines!

If you guys really want to go out and make a difference to the gross injustice being played out daily in the lives of so many people that are not involved in network marketing---maybe you should organize some folks that really care about how so many decent people are being paid wages that keep them just one step away from being on the street.

OVERPRICED SNAKE OIL! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Where is SCAM BUSTER when VIOXX and CELEBREX was killing folks and the drug companies knew about it but kept pushing it none the less! Where was SCAM BUSTER when it was discovered that the FDA was just a patsy for the big drug companies.

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year

Hmmm, when I go to look up what the leading causes of death are in the US, imagine my suprise when I discovered that there were no network marketing companies pushing snake oil on the list!

Hey do you have a website for all the idiots that buy Carlton Sheets and Russ Whitney programs to the tune of THOUSANDS of dollars and never see any return?

Where is your site for screaming about the poor salaries that our teachers are paid or the fact that as a nation we are almost at the bottom of the heap in the effectiveness of educating our kids?

Where is your other site that screams about the injustices faced by so many of our elderly citizens that are mistreated in nursing homes and non supervised care?

MLM does not have anywhere near the impact on peoples lives that all those other things and a host of other injustices have!

Are their companies in MLM that have crap products without substanciation?
YES!

Are their over zealous distributors? Yes

But please are you trying to tell me that you can't go to SIX different grocery stores and purchase the same carton of OJ from a $! up to $5?

Are you telling me that year in and year out there are non net work marketing companies that kill hundreds/thousands of americans with products that are defective?

Exactly which business model again were you saying that is PERFECT? I think I missed the one that is completely just!

Maybe you need to read some facts about where most 65 year olds are financially on a national level! Maybe you need to read some articles about how our educational system is failing us! Maybe you should address the TAXES and Liberal Machine that would have us subjected to more gov't spending!

Maybe you should also address the over zealous politicians that would have or rights taken away all in the name of terrorism!

Maybe you should address how we are looking more and more like the bullies we claim to be protecting the world from!

I am done ranting!(though I do enjoy it for the 15 minutes it takes me every morning prior to going to my run to experience the grand intellect of all you fine people that post on here)

[WGCI28]

Oh I must post this as well......want to see what you biggest expense is if you make any kind of real money???????????? Check your taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!

So good that the folks that make up forums like this actually make a difference in the lives of so many people!

[WGCI28]

This whole forum and all these threads brought back some memories for me from Orwell's 1984 -

Ignorance is Strength

Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibnum, however far it is pushed one way or the other --

. The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim -- for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives -- is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in *****, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.

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WCGI28

Well said, most people on this board as well as in America are broke and do not qualify to judge what is a good oppurtunity or not thats why quite frankly you cannot listen to most people's advice because they are broke. Not that i am rich but i am working on it with Xango. I have spoken to people inside and out side of MLM and they said that the industry it self is a great way to make money and change your lifestyle. In order for their opinion to be valued to me they had to be making money themselves to have any meaning . So if you are making a 6 figure income as you say i would like to talk some time.

In Any case hats off to you and good luck in whatever you are pursuing.

Corporate America Sucks!!!

[WGCI28]

Well I make a very healthy six figure income, but it is not from network marketing. However, I know some good folks that do make their living strictly from network marketing. I also know some seniors that are making about $400 - 1000 a month on a part time basis thru network marketing. Go tell them its a scam!

For you brilliant folks on here let me tell you how much you would have to have in a pass book savings to accomplish the samething!

If you are lucky to get a 2% interest bearing acct you would need anywhere from $240,000 to $600,000 to generate that same $400 - $1000 on a monthly basis! I don't know about you guys, but the last time I checked most of the senior citizens or the average american for that matter does not have $5000 saved much less $240K - $600K!

[junior samples]

FIRST,Xango seems fair ,pay plan,product in the open for people to read.I am in another mlm,I see no problems with their mlm plan.Simple ,do you want the product,do you want to market the product,here is the deal.VERY good post on this board. IT IS NOT WHAT YOU MAKE ,its what you keep.The first mlm I WAS EVER IN they taught this for financial success.Live on 80% of income 10% GOD or needy for agnostic 10% investments.

[cscirpoli]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

This whole forum and all these threads brought back some memories for me from Orwell's 1984 -

Ignorance is Strength

Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibnum, however far it is pushed one way or the other --

. The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim -- for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives -- is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in *****, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.

Wow, well I'll agree with you that there are 3 classes, let's change that whole pessimistic attitude for a sec. The middle's aim is not to be the high, while they may covet what the high have, they do not have the ambition or the fortitude to be on high. The revolution begins when the moral depravity of the high becomes too great. The greed takes over sense and mind, then the high take more and more of the share, the class distinction between the middle and the low begins to disentigrate and to preserve their way of life, the middle and low unite and overthrow. And balance once again is achieved.

The middle and the low, for many many years had little to no opportunity to advance to the high. Now, in a country like America, you have all the opportunities in the world. Never before has their been a country like America, were we can create something from nothing in a way never before possible. This is the true meaning of being an American, because now you have a choice, you can stay where you are, or you can move up. Yes people who crave ***** will ultimately end up with *****. But, it is not a question of continuing in this struggle of equilibrium forever, it is a question of becoming morally superior. We were made in the image of God, we were perfect like God, and now it is that struggle to get back to perfection. The next largest step for everyone to take in that struggle would be to realize that the choices they make affect them. The only thing a person has control over is their own life.

[rtf]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

Well I make a very healthy six figure income, but it is not from network marketing. However, I know some good folks that do make their living strictly from network marketing. I also know some seniors that are making about $400 - 1000 a month on a part time basis thru network marketing. Go tell them its a scam!

For you brilliant folks on here let me tell you how much you would have to have in a pass book savings to accomplish the samething!

If you are lucky to get a 2% interest bearing acct you would need anywhere from $240,000 to $600,000 to generate that same $400 - $1000 on a monthly basis! I don't know about you guys, but the last time I checked most of the senior citizens or the average american for that matter does not have $5000 saved much less $240K - $600K!

Sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands after the day is over making your six figure income. Care to mention to us brilliant folks who are "lows" and "mediums" how we too can attain a six figure income without resorting to network marketing and be a philanthropist like you?

[WGCI28]

Instead of getting into some non sense about telling you how you can attain a six figure income. Here are some wise words for you to feast on...."The size of your net work is in direct relation to your networth! So get out there and build you a net work and the networth will follow!

[rtf]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

Instead of getting into some non sense about telling you how you can attain a six figure income. Here are some wise words for you to feast on...."The size of your net work is in direct relation to your networth! So get out there and build you a net work and the networth will follow!

Humor me. I want to know how you attained a six figure income without network marketing and working for "The Man." Maybe you can teach us something here.

[WGCI28]

It took me 10 years and a lot of bull to get one of them coveted mid level executive titles. However, I am here to tell you, the politics that you have to sometimes play because of all the EGO's is not worth it! I say that because nobody in the last hours ever says, I wish I had put in 80 more hours at the office.

I am also as vunerable as the other guy! Example, my neighbors had to sell both thier houses and all their other toys, because they were ill prepared for the company they worked for letting them both go. When Lucent laid one off and then about two months later the other one was laid off again by Lucent, their house of cards fell. Like most people they had the external trappings of wealth, but not real wealth.

Before I was awaken to the reality that most Americans or maybe a lot of Americans live above and beyond our means, and it just takes a devastating illness or a extended bout of unemployment to wipe us out financially, the idea of network marketing or even having a business that can serve as an alternate means of income was just plain stupid to me.

However, since I have seen people in my neighborhood that would have balked at the idea that they would have to stand in a public pantry line just to get something to eat actually have to do that, I have been humbled by my experience.

I live in a county with a little over a million people 88% of which make combined household incomes of $92K. I live in a city in that county where the avg home price is $425k and the avg family income is $106K. But like I said most of us drive cars that we paid too much for and live in houses with HUGE mortgages. In effect like I stated before, a house of cards waiting to topple with the slightest shift of the wind.

Most of us(Americans) always think that disaster will happen to someone else. Unfortunately it can and does happen to quite a bit of us that were not expecting it, and the outcome is never favorable.

Here is something I know for a fact, the level and access of healthcare I have is significantly better than what is available to the avg Joe. Why is that? Cause most of the great doctors have plush offices where the people with he money are. Insurance companies play games with our health and well being everyday. The ones that generally suffer the most are those without any economic *****!

I am rambling again, so pardon me. However, how anyone cannot be disgusted with the way big companies play God with the average Joe's life is beyond me!

Again, is network marketing the perfect business model? No! Is the standard hyerical corporate entity the perfect business model? No! Is Franchising the perfect business model? No. There is no such thing as perfect! However, people talk about the heavy hitters making and taking all the spoils in network marketing. Who takes all the spoils in a traditional business? Do all the employees from the CEO down to the lowest paid worker share equally in the spoils? NO! In fact the avg worker makes a fraction of what is generally paid to a CEO and the officers of a company. A number of years ago we hired in my company an executive who ended up being around for only about 6 months. Nobody outside of the board and the CEO knows why he left in six months, but when he left his severance package for being with my company for six months was $5.1 Million! He got paid $5.1 Million dollars for being fired. This plays out accross corporate america every year. Let me ask anyone that cares to respond have you met any WorldCom, GM, Lucent, SBC, ATT, Bank of America, KMART, United, American, US Air and a host of other companies that in the last few years have laid off thousands of employees...have you met any of those employees who after in some cases 20+ years of service that came close to getting $1million dollars in Severance much less $5million? If you have ever met one, send me his or her name so I can find out what their trick was. It does not happen like that for the avg. Joe and it never will. But I guarantee you that the least amongst us don't have any issues with rewarding themselves for being fired or asked to resign.

So as I earlier stated, my six figure income is MOOT! Because it requires 100% of my effort to get it! If I stop working or become incapacitated it stops! I don't care if you are a doctor or a lawyer making big money. Generally when you stop doing whatever it is that generates that income...ie seeing patients, clients, and customers...your income stops but your over head does not! Your bills still have to be paid!

[junior samples]

Wow another great post for this board.WGC128 your up there in my book.Thanks for your thinking and your posts. CHEERS TO YOU J.A.S

[rtf]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

It took me 10 years and a lot of bull to get one of them coveted mid level executive titles. However, I am here to tell you, the politics that you have to sometimes play because of all the EGO's is not worth it! I say that because nobody in the last hours ever says, I wish I had put in 80 more hours at the office.

I am also as vunerable as the other guy! Example, my neighbors had to sell both thier houses and all their other toys, because they were ill prepared for the company they worked for letting them both go. When Lucent laid one off and then about two months later the other one was laid off again by Lucent, their house of cards fell. Like most people they had the external trappings of wealth, but not real wealth.

Before I was awaken to the reality that most Americans or maybe a lot of Americans live above and beyond our means, and it just takes a devastating illness or a extended bout of unemployment to wipe us out financially, the idea of network marketing or even having a business that can serve as an alternate means of income was just plain stupid to me.

However, since I have seen people in my neighborhood that would have balked at the idea that they would have to stand in a public pantry line just to get something to eat actually have to do that, I have been humbled by my experience.

I live in a county with a little over a million people 88% of which make combined household incomes of $92K. I live in a city in that county where the avg home price is $425k and the avg family income is $106K. But like I said most of us drive cars that we paid too much for and live in houses with HUGE mortgages. In effect like I stated before, a house of cards waiting to topple with the slightest shift of the wind.

Most of us(Americans) always think that disaster will happen to someone else. Unfortunately it can and does happen to quite a bit of us that were not expecting it, and the outcome is never favorable.

Here is something I know for a fact, the level and access of healthcare I have is significantly better than what is available to the avg Joe. Why is that? Cause most of the great doctors have plush offices where the people with he money are. Insurance companies play games with our health and well being everyday. The ones that generally suffer the most are those without any economic *****!

I am rambling again, so pardon me. However, how anyone cannot be disgusted with the way big companies play God with the average Joe's life is beyond me!

Again, is network marketing the perfect business model? No! Is the standard hyerical corporate entity the perfect business model? No! Is Franchising the perfect business model? No. There is no such thing as perfect! However, people talk about the heavy hitters making and taking all the spoils in network marketing. Who takes all the spoils in a traditional business? Do all the employees from the CEO down to the lowest paid worker share equally in the spoils? NO! In fact the avg worker makes a fraction of what is generally paid to a CEO and the officers of a company. A number of years ago we hired in my company an executive who ended up being around for only about 6 months. Nobody outside of the board and the CEO knows why he left in six months, but when he left his severance package for being with my company for six months was $5.1 Million! He got paid $5.1 Million dollars for being fired. This plays out accross corporate america every year. Let me ask anyone that cares to respond have you met any WorldCom, GM, Lucent, SBC, ATT, Bank of America, KMART, United, American, US Air and a host of other companies that in the last few years have laid off thousands of employees...have you met any of those employees who after in some cases 20+ years of service that came close to getting $1million dollars in Severance much less $5million? If you have ever met one, send me his or her name so I can find out what their trick was. It does not happen like that for the avg. Joe and it never will. But I guarantee you that the least amongst us don't have any issues with rewarding themselves for being fired or asked to resign.

So as I earlier stated, my six figure income is MOOT! Because it requires 100% of my effort to get it! If I stop working or become incapacitated it stops! I don't care if you are a doctor or a lawyer making big money. Generally when you stop doing whatever it is that generates that income...ie seeing patients, clients, and customers...your income stops but your over head does not! Your bills still have to be paid!

Joining and building an MLM / network marketing distributorship also requires 100% of your effort and time if you want to make a comfortable living solely from this business model. And if your sales start to drop off, your income will go as well. Is this correct or not?

[cscirpoli]

Originally Posted by rtf

Joining and building an MLM / network marketing distributorship also requires 100% of your effort and time if you want to make a comfortable living solely from this business model. And if your sales start to drop off, your income will go as well. Is this correct or not?

RTF, your completely missing the point. The point is, is that in Network Marketing, you can start building it slowly over time with just 10-15 hours per week. And when your income reaches a satisfactory level you can either quit yoiur job and take on MLM full time, (which is really only like 25 hours/week) or you can continue in both avenues.

Network Marketing when done right, will provide this for you. It's just that so few people know how to actually accomplish this. Nobody is saying MLM isn't without its flaws, it's just narrow minded people that are short sighted and don't truly understand what leverage income means and how its really not much different from any other business model. Except Network Marketing is a volountary business, in the sense, it's like a church group. People usually have a main source of income that they consider their "necessary" income and NM turns into their play money, their retirement cash, their college fund money. And allows them to do things they otherwise would not be able to do, with only 10 extra hours a week. Or a wife, that can now earn income and stay home with her kids. But unfortunately because of the nature of the industry its more open to criticism and people who wish to take advantage of ithers than some other business sectors. The main thing is that in corporate america its become an acceptable practice to take advantage of your employees, NM never held that as a standard. So people aren't so shocked when things happen like Enron, or Tyco, or any of these other giants who completely screw over their employees.

So RTF you have choice, continue in your thinking, or actually do your research do your due dillegence, cut through the bullsh*t. Find somebody with a net worth of over 25 million dollars and ask them what they think of NM. I guarantee 9 out of 10 will give a favorable response. How do I know this, In my line of business, I deal with people who have ammased huge amounts of wealth all the time. I learn from them everyday. I'm 23 years old, last year I made a total of 13K, this year so far I've achieved an income of 160K. Why, because I listened to the people who know how to make money, I allinged myself with wealthy and intelligent people who could share their ideas on how money is made. I bought the CD's and the books. I learned what it meant to have the right mindset and most of all, I went out to the marketplace and applied my knowledge. The most important step. As my favorite mentor says, "knowledge without action is wasted." -Jim Rohn.

Good Luck in your life Journey RTS

[WGCI28]

Cscirpoli, you hit it on the head! RTF you do miss the point. I think after reading through all these posts that you are so cynical that anything anyone said would be in vain!

Most people miss opportunity because when it shows up its wearing overalls and looks like work!

RTF, do you know who the biggest employer in the US is today?

"Man***** Temp Services"

If you do network marketing right, it is the ONLY true vehicle that does not care about your economic background, your education or your ethnicity.!

What does doing it right mean? Example, if I am speaking with you and I offer you a solution to your problem and you came accross to me as you come accross on this board, here is how I would handle it - I would say Mr. Rtf based on your response it is obvious that my program is not for you. Thank you for your time and courtesy and have a great day.

When I am prospecting, I only want to deal with people that want to change their life and circumstance. I am not in the business of trying to convince anyone of the validity of my program or of network marketing. There are too many people that want to change and are willing to do whatever is necessary to do so. You will always have skeptics and people that are cynical about life and everything in general!

Let me drop some facts on you(NO I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH NONI) - TNI or MORINDA or whatever they call themselves today has created 300 Millionares in the short 8 years they have been in existence! These are white people, black people, hispanic...these are people that never made it past high school in some instances.

Here is what they had that so many people don't have. They had a DESIRE and a VISION, and they went around all the obstacles and nay sayers that got in there way!

Jim Rohn says so many things well:
"For things to change, you have to change"
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better
Don't wish for less problems, wish for more skill
Don't wish for less challenges, wish for more wisdom

RTF you can sit back and cry about how unfair life and the world is and what great scams are being perpetuated on the poplus....I ask you one question...How does any of that get you whatever you dreamed about when you were fearless? Think back to when you were younger. Have you attained all you dreamed about; or have you given up on your dreams like most people?

Are you driving the car that you dreamed about driving?
Are you living in the house you dreamt about?
Are you experiencing the freedom to live life on your terms or have you sold your soul to live it on someone elses terms?

Are you working to build your empire however small or large it might be; or are you working on building someone elses empire?

I am not saying to you that network marketing is for everyone; nothing is. I am saying to you though that you should realize that living life on your terms is completely up to you if you want to!

Let me digress for a moment; earlier on the post about snake oil and Xango someone said it did nothing for them so it must be ineffective! The person was even ignorant enough to start listing things about traditional medicine that they are obviously uneducated about. Like I said any idiot can find what the 3rd leading cause of death is in the US!

The poster indicated that since Xango did not work for them it must be snake oil. Does that mean that since my aunt died because the Chemo did not work for her that it was snake oil as well? Does that mean that since some of the bacteria strains that used to be killed with one shot of antibiotics that are now resistant to those same antibiotics, are also snake oil. Using the logic of the poster if a remedy does not work for them, it must be ***** with food coloring(snake oil). How many people die from KNOWN medical treatments that work for one person but not another. It would have been great if Xango had helped with his condition, but like every other network marketing company out there they made no claims that it would. Even FDA approved drugs can't make that claim! Because nothing works 100% of the time. Planes crash every year and people die in cars daily, does that stop us from driving or flying?

Come on folks you really need to look at what you call a scam and what you use as a standard to do so! Your failure in something does not make it a scam! I know people that are very successful in real estate investing and have never purchased a course. I know guys that have gone to every real estate seminar and spent THOUSANDS and have yet to buy their own house much less invest in houses. Does that make real estate investing a scam as well. Even if somebody was to purchase 12 months of product at a $1000 a month and do nothing with it. It sure is cheaper than paying $50K for a college education and then getting a job waiting tables at the cheese cake factory cause nobody else is hiring! Even worst not getting a job and being in debt up to your ears and then having to take a zillion years to pay back those student loans!

Too many people get into network marketing and expect overnight success. These same people are content with being on a job for 25+ years and never making more than 30-40K and struggling that entire time and then retireing on half of what they were making and spend their golden years in a not so golden situation! Go figure!

Well folks I don't know if I said this before or not, but I am currently in the Carribean for another two weeks. It is beautiful. So in my down time from the beach I come in and respond to the posts :). Too bad I can't post pictures! It is just lovely here!

God Bless

[rtf]

It seems like MLM / network marketing is optimized for those who have had little or no education and are great talkers who can go on and on about nothing. They have the gift for persuasion, and really don't mind bending moral sensibilities once in a while in order to make a buck. For the rest of those who lack any of these qualities, MLM / network marketing may not be for you.

[cscirpoli]

Originally Posted by rtf

It seems like MLM / network marketing is optimized for those who have had little or no education and are great talkers who can go on and on about nothing. They have the gift for persuasion, and really don't mind bending moral sensibilities once in a while in order to make a buck. For the rest of those who lack any of these qualities, MLM / network marketing may not be for you.

LOL, let me ask you this. What exactly does formal education give you? Just curious what you think. As far as the skills of persuasion, it's caled sales and it's necessary in life, everything is sales. Didn't seem like nothing, we explained how the industry worked.

As for people who spout scheme all the time, the reason most people think something is a scheme, is because that's who they are. If you believe most things you come across are a scam, it's because you are a scammer, without morals and ethics...

And NM requires morals and ethics, the people who don't have them, don't lastmore than a few years in a company, they just hop from company to company.

[rtf]

Originally Posted by cscirpoli

LOL, let me ask you this. What exactly does formal education give you? Just curious what you think. As far as the skills of persuasion, it's caled sales and it's necessary in life, everything is sales. Didn't seem like nothing, we explained how the industry worked.

It's somewhat obvious, but if it must be explained... a formal education gives one the skill set not ordinarily attainable in a high school degree to work in a skilled profession. And no, not everything in life is all about persuasion. There is critical thinking and analysis involved in other day to day aspects of life.

As for people who spout scheme all the time, the reason most people think something is a scheme, is because that's who they are. If you believe most things you come across are a scam, it's because you are a scammer, without morals and ethics...

You'll have to explain this one. How can one who believes something is a scam is a scammer him/herself. It makes no sense.

And NM requires morals and ethics, the people who don't have them, don't lastmore than a few years in a company, they just hop from company to company.

I beg to differ. MLM / NM does NOT require morals and ethics for a person to succeed. In fact, in order to succeed in MLM / NM, a distributor must intentionally mislead the public by making incredible and marginally truthful claims about his / her product in order to sell and profit.

[jpeg3]

What is a financially successful man? A person who is to dumb to realize that what he is trying to do isn¡¯t going to work like every one keeps telling him.

Quite frankly even a scam can make many people wealthy and successful if enough people believe it is not a scam. So a scam would be something that hurts people and deceives people. I don¡¯t think MLM fits the bill. People fail because of their own doings and responsibility. If your deceived it is your own fault so until we take our own responsibility for our own life and family blaming a company or a person for our own failings is a losers attitude. If Xango goes belly up tomorrow should that determine my success? No I will just look for another MLM company or opportunity. Blaming xango is not going to help me nor my fam.

[WGCI28]

In for the night! It is hot as hell down here on St. Thomas!

RTF - Are you implying that the only people that succeed in network marketing are the ones with some sort of degree or advanced degree?

You are entitled to your opinion and I completely respect it. Not my job or intent to convince you or anyone of a damn thing. In the grand scheme of things it just does not matter.

Are you saying that the regular business model requirs morals and ethics?

I can't help but notice that you have yet to address Tyco, WCOM, UNITED and Enron to name a few.

Everyone of those companies were run by men and women that perpetuated fraud on a level never seen before in corporate history. They not only impacted the thousands of employees that worked for them they impacted folks who tied up their entire investments in those companies. Again, once you step back and look at this objectively the argument can be presented that the odds don't look so good in the tradtional business model.

Tens of thousands of people have been severly impacted by the fraud that took place at Tyco, WCOM, Enron and AIG. The ripple effect from the fraud and non moralistic actions of those few executives will impact many people for YEARS to come.

RTF why don't you help me understand what company out there that you know of private or public that guarantees that they will keep you employed and fund your retirement?!

Who do you know that can say to you that they have 100% job security?

How many people do you know that can say they are 100% prepared for long term unemployment or long term disability?

How many people do you know have medical and dental coverage that covers 100% of those expences?

It appears to me that most people on here argue on the basis of OPINION and not FACT!

FACT - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JOB SECURITY!

FACT - THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN THE UNITED STATES IS A TEMP AGENCY

FACT - MOST PEOPLE ARE ILL PREPARED FOR EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT/DISABILITY

FACT - THE LARGEST BILL FOR MOST PEOPLE IN THE US ARE TAXES

FACT - COMPANIES DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE A COMMODITY TO THEM

FACT - EVEN GOV'T JOBS ARE NO LONGER SECURE

FACT - THERE ARE LIARS AND CHEATS EVERYWHERE IN LIFE

FACT - THE THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE US ARE DOCTORS

FACT - MOST PEOPLE RATHER WORK ON THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WORK ON THEMSELVES

Well good night RTF. I am going para-sailing tommorrow morning. I am so excited I have never done that before.

God Bless

[rtf]

Originally Posted by jpeg3

What is a financially successful man? A person who is to dumb to realize that what he is trying to do isn¡¯t going to work like every one keeps telling him.

Quite frankly even a scam can make many people wealthy and successful if enough people believe it is not a scam. So a scam would be something that hurts people and deceives people. I don¡¯t think MLM fits the bill. People fail because of their own doings and responsibility. If your deceived it is your own fault so until we take our own responsibility for our own life and family blaming a company or a person for our own failings is a losers attitude. If Xango goes belly up tomorrow should that determine my success? No I will just look for another MLM company or opportunity. Blaming xango is not going to help me nor my fam.

So I guess that if we take responsibility for our own gullibility and failings, that makes it perfectly, morally acceptable for an MLM / NM distributor to lie about what his or her products do in order to make a buck?

[rtf]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

In for the night! It is hot as hell down here on St. Thomas!

RTF - Are you implying that the only people that succeed in network marketing are the ones with some sort of degree or advanced degree?

No, on the contrary I'm implying that if you don't have a degree (advanced or not), then you're more likely to see MLM / NM as a way out of financial despair.

Are you saying that the regular business model requirs morals and ethics?

Yes, the regular business model does require some morals and ethics, but clearly it lacks in certain companies under particular circumstances as we see all too often in the news. Additionally, certain jobs do require an extensive background check to establish some pattern of ethics.

I can't help but notice that you have yet to address Tyco, WCOM, UNITED and Enron to name a few.

Everyone of those companies were run by men and women that perpetuated fraud on a level never seen before in corporate history. They not only impacted the thousands of employees that worked for them they impacted folks who tied up their entire investments in those companies. Again, once you step back and look at this objectively the argument can be presented that the odds don't look so good in the tradtional business model.

Tens of thousands of people have been severly impacted by the fraud that took place at Tyco, WCOM, Enron and AIG. The ripple effect from the fraud and non moralistic actions of those few executives will impact many people for YEARS to come.

Fraud and deception do exist in the regular business model, but not on a pervasive level that exists in MLM / NM as I suspect.

RTF why don't you help me understand what company out there that you know of private or public that guarantees that they will keep you employed and fund your retirement?!

There is no company nor even any MLM that can guarantee this, so what is your point? At least with working as a skilled professional, you don't have to tell deceptive marginal half-truths to peddle products.

[WGCI28]

RTF I will close with one statement. This is why most people never attain what they desire in their hearts.

"A pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees opportunity in every difficulty."

You and you alone decide where you want to exist.

"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.

God bless

P.S. Sir Winston knew what he was talking about.

Well folks this is my final post on scam.com I have another week here in St. Thomas. This was entertaining while it lasted. I will leave it for all the mental giants and great thinkers on here to continue debating the fate of the world and the network marketing areana. Since I know as well as everyone that reads this, that in the end all this bantering and going back and forth does not change anything for anyone. I will exit stage left and continue to enjoy my freedom of choice and my freedom to live like I choose.

[DethLOK]

Originally Posted by rtf

There is no company nor even any MLM that can guarantee this, so what is your point? At least with working as a skilled professional, you don't have to tell deceptive marginal half-truths to peddle products.

I have been reading this thread and you continue to look at Corporate America as the end-all be-all and it isn't. Even as a skilled professional you are not guaranteed employment. I know because I am a skilled professional with a college degree in my profession that worked for subpar wages for several years. I was salaried and for 5 straight years I sacrificed family time and vacation time for my job hoping that one day I would get moved into a better position that didn't require a second and third job to make ends meet. One day I came to work and found out my company had been sold. Two weeks later, I was speaking with the new vice president and let it slip that I had trained another employee (lesser paid I might add) on how to do my job in case I was ever sick or on vacation (something that had never happened in 5 years.) The very next day, a Friday, I was a few minutes late for a morning meeting because my wife was sick. I called in an hour early to let them know I would be running late. Later that day I was given my pat on the back and told that one of the execs said that by being late to the meeting I showed that I wasn't committed to the company's vision and we had to part ways. They gave me a measly $2500 severance package and a "see ya." The person I trained as my back up was promoted to my position with no pay increase.

When trying to collect unemployement this "NEW" Corporate entity kept me from collecting unemployement for 3 months and sporadically interfered 3 months later taking food out of the mouths of my young children and almost taking the roof off of our heads. Funny part is... this Corporation has continued to grow recently acquiring two other companies under their fold... yet they tried to stop me from collecting my measly $400 bucks a week.

My only solace is, the new person lasted 3 weeks and they hired 4 other people over the next year to find a suitable replacement. During my time off I went back to school and learned a whole new professional skill set and even after that it took me months to find a different job. Now I'm back to work for a consulting company for a large corporation and by no means do I feel like my job is secure and nor will I ever feel that way.

Fact is one would be stupid not to look at other income streams and WHEN I decide to pursue it and be successful at it... I do not think that I will be morally diminished in any way. I believe that one's own gage of success in Network marketing should be the number of people they have helped to achieve their goals because by helping others achieve their goals you in turn achieve your own. If helping others get what they want out of life is wrong in your eyes then so be it. It seems like you are painting Network Marketing with a Broadbrush and you make reference to certain situations that have appeared in the news, but corporate scams make the news a lot more.

As a black man... I can say that all whites are racist or you can say that I want restitution for slavery... because that's what some "agenda driven" news channels want us to think... but we know it's not true. Let's put the broad brush away and start writing with sharpened pencils... then the truth will come out.

[scambuster]

Originally Posted by DethLOK

I have been reading this thread and you continue to look at Corporate America as the end-all be-all and it isn't. Even as a skilled professional you are not guaranteed employment. I know because I am a skilled professional with a college degree in my profession that worked for subpar wages for several years. I was salaried and for 5 straight years I sacrificed family time and vacation time for my job hoping that one day I would get moved into a better position that didn't require a second and third job to make ends meet. One day I came to work and found out my company had been sold. Two weeks later, I was speaking with the new vice president and let it slip that I had trained another employee (lesser paid I might add) on how to do my job in case I was ever sick or on vacation (something that had never happened in 5 years.) The very next day, a Friday, I was a few minutes late for a morning meeting because my wife was sick. I called in an hour early to let them know I would be running late. Later that day I was given my pat on the back and told that one of the execs said that by being late to the meeting I showed that I wasn't committed to the company's vision and we had to part ways. They gave me a measly $2500 severance package and a "see ya." The person I trained as my back up was promoted to my position with no pay increase.

When trying to collect unemployement this "NEW" Corporate entity kept me from collecting unemployement for 3 months and sporadically interfered 3 months later taking food out of the mouths of my young children and almost taking the roof off of our heads. Funny part is... this Corporation has continued to grow recently acquiring two other companies under their fold... yet they tried to stop me from collecting my measly $400 bucks a week.

My only solace is, the new person lasted 3 weeks and they hired 4 other people over the next year to find a suitable replacement. During my time off I went back to school and learned a whole new professional skill set and even after that it took me months to find a different job. Now I'm back to work for a consulting company for a large corporation and by no means do I feel like my job is secure and nor will I ever feel that way.

Fact is one would be stupid not to look at other income streams and WHEN I decide to pursue it and be successful at it... I do not think that I will be morally diminished in any way. I believe that one's own gage of success in Network marketing should be the number of people they have helped to achieve their goals because by helping others achieve their goals you in turn achieve your own. If helping others get what they want out of life is wrong in your eyes then so be it. It seems like you are painting Network Marketing with a Broadbrush and you make reference to certain situations that have appeared in the news, but corporate scams make the news a lot more.

As a black man... I can say that all whites are racist or you can say that I want restitution for slavery... because that's what some "agenda driven" news channels want us to think... but we know it's not true. Let's put the broad brush away and start writing with sharpened pencils... then the truth will come out.

Wow.
What else can I say?

[rtf]

Originally Posted by WGCI28

RTF I will close with one statement. This is why most people never attain what they desire in their hearts.

"A pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees opportunity in every difficulty."

You and you alone decide where you want to exist.

"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.

God bless

P.S. Sir Winston knew what he was talking about.

Well folks this is my final post on scam.com I have another week here in St. Thomas. This was entertaining while it lasted. I will leave it for all the mental giants and great thinkers on here to continue debating the fate of the world and the network marketing areana. Since I know as well as everyone that reads this, that in the end all this bantering and going back and forth does not change anything for anyone. I will exit stage left and continue to enjoy my freedom of choice and my freedom to live like I choose.

That's easy to say for someone who is generating a six-figure income by working for a company as a mid level executive. Try achieving the same thing through MLM / NM and come back when you've truly achieved success based on your hyporcritical standards.

[cscirpoli]

Originally Posted by rtf

It's somewhat obvious, but if it must be explained... a formal education gives one the skill set not ordinarily attainable in a high school degree to work in a skilled profession. And no, not everything in life is all about persuasion. There is critical thinking and analysis involved in other day to day aspects of life.


You'll have to explain this one. How can one who believes something is a scam is a scammer him/herself. It makes no sense.


I beg to differ. MLM / NM does NOT require morals and ethics for a person to succeed. In fact, in order to succeed in MLM / NM, a distributor must intentionally mislead the public by making incredible and marginally truthful claims about his / her product in order to sell and profit.

Here's a study for you to chew on... It was found that job advancement in corporate america was based 10% on Technical skills and 90% on People skills and ability to sell yourself to your superiors.

It's a simple psychological principle, people see in other people what they are. We transfer what we think about to other people...so we place our strengths and weakness's in other people. So when you look at all of these different programs and see scams, it's because you have a low moral standard.


This is opinion btw, not fact, you have provided no evidence that people need not have morals and ethics to succeed in NM. Let me explain why this is true... In NM it is a volounteer organization, like a church has volunteer organizations. Your entire network is built out of people who mostly are looking at a secondary income, whereas they see their primary job, as their main source of income. So they see their job as a necessity, and they volunteer their time to NM. Now, when you have a main source of income, and you can easily walk away from something, especially since it was just say a $500 investment. If the person you are working with does not have any morals or ethics they will quickly be recognized by any half way inteligent person. And they will walk away, feeling cheated. So when you don't have the morals, your organization will quickly see that, especially because they are looking to you as their leader. They study you, and follow you, and anyone knows that as a leader you live in a glass house of the people following you. So the only way to combat this, is to put the blame on the company, stay in as long as possible, and when the organization starts to fall apart, get on stage sell the next best deal and jump with as many excited people as possible. This is exactly how it is done.

[junior samples]

HERE IS MY MARGINALLY TRUTHFUL CLAIM,HERE IS PRODUCT AT WEBSITE OR A PRINTED BROCHURE,DO YOU WANT TO TRY IT?if yes they try it AT no cost,if no, they dont.If they want it again they buy it.If they want to market it,they market it.If they dont they dont.Most people do not like sales,but word of mouth marketing works.In my opinion,people do business with people they like.I have seen people pay more money for the same product because they like the seller.For me,it is not my nature to make marginally truthful claims .enjoyed this thread,very interesting> thanks JAS

[USMEDIAISAJOKE]

Xango not a scam. Originally thought so. Fixes allergies and asthma FOR SURE. Have also seen people who are moving 20K who make a whole lot more than $1400.00. Have met and personally seen checks of several people right here in my tiny (pop 100,000) town making 16K per month and 20K per month.

That would be per month with Xango. Took the guy 16 months...most people have never heard of Xango...currently they are 17 countries plan to be in many more.

80% fail in MLM. Amway, Tupperware, Cookware, Mary Kay, Avon...name it...80% fail. That doesn't make them scams. Reading these boards I have seen a lot of scammers post complete bull**** about Xango...one person I tested it out on no longer has to use her inhaler, another no longer uses her steroid drugs. Unrelated another guy cut his cholesterol from 320 to 160 using Xango...he is a mechanic and has no desire to sell the stuff but certainly swears by it...

There are tons of scams out there mangosteen juice and Xango aren't one of them. Do your research.

[jerseylamb]

USMED what research have you done? Do you realise that the people running Xango were terminated from their highly paid positions with Morinda for Industrial Espionage and that the law suit is still ongoing? What sort of people are they? Furthermore, are you not aware that the information these people gave to the Patent Office has been thrown out as it proved to be a load of made-up rubbish?

The foundation on which Xango is built has serious questions over it!

You make Medical Claims for the product which is essentially only a mixture of Fruit Juices like Noni and Goji and dozens of other Miracle Cure Drinks that have sprung-up. But then, if sentimental distributors did not make these claims the product would never sell, especially considering the outrageous prices charged.

As for making money, the experienced people in MLM know that it's all about Timing. In other words if you are in at the beginning and provided you have built-up thousands of contacts in your previous MLM deal and you know what to do you can make money fast. In fact, when Xango started they recruited 'key' people that had tens-of-thousands of distributors in their existing networks. By recruiting people like that you can move fast and everybody thinks wow, that must be a good deal, look at how fast they're moving. That's how all the new MLM companies get started by recruiting 'Heavy Hitters' but ordinary people can never duplicate that and after a few months they leave. This rule applies to ALL MLM's and not just Xango. It just happens that I have have first hand knowledge of this company as I got involved with them when they tried to enter the UK market about 2-years ago and made a complete mess of it, letting hundreds of people down - it's true!

Whether the product is good or not is not the issue for me, it's the fact that the people that run Xango have serious questions marks against them and as the saying goes, if a house is built on sand, when the storm comes, it will not stand. I think there are some big challenges ahead for Xango but it's their own fault, they chose to be UNETHICAL from the start. They sowed some bad seeds and I think they will reap bad harvest however, having said all that they are nothing like the serious scammers out there so we need to keep things in perspective.

[WGCI28]

Well I just had to wade in here. Xango's executive team is definitely not as pristine as they would like you to think. That said. Again, I AM NOT INVOLVED IN ANY MLM/NETWORK MARKETING BUSINESS, so I speak only from the side lines.

I am just amazed at what grown men and women are so quick to label as scams and schemes!

I don't see anyone on here screaming at the top of their lungs about the travesty that United Airlines perpetuated onto their former and current employess. At the stroke of a judges pen lives were destroyed. Do you think the executives at United present and former are going to live a less lofty lifestyle because United's Pension fund was destroyed? I think not!

Everyone gets on here and claims to have been scammed and coerced into getting involved in network marketing. I am going to make an assumption that you are all adults. If that is the case what you should look at is your motives for becoming involved in that industry. I imagine most people on here bought into some lie of quick riches.

Here is what puzzles me. Most of you work for 5, 10, 15 and 20 plus years for the same or various employers and never make more than 50 - 60 thousand per year(if that!). Yet some how you get involved in a network marketing business or a real estate investing program and expect to go from poor to Bill Gates status in 6 months! That just does not even make any sense! You then declare that it must be a scheme and you were duped into getting involved. I would suspect your own greed motivated you to become involved in what ever it were that you proclaim now to be a scam.

Why don't each of you that get on here and ask questions of anonymous folks around the country just stick to what you know best? Be the employee that you were meant to be. Continue to work for someone so that you can build their dream. Leave your dreams and desires at the door! I am sure most of you gave up long ago on reaching for the things that you once dreamed about and wished for.

In the GREATEST country in the world we have so many people that struggle daily to raise their families and make ends meet. Why is that? You can answer that question for yourself. No one can answer that for you but you!

Take responsibility for your life and your destiny. Don't be like all the other losers and blame your circumstance. Stop living beyond your means. Get rid of the credit card debt and get rid of the IDIOT BOX(TV)!

Jim Rohn said it well; "we are all subjected to the same events"! In other words I am impacted by the actions of the gov't just as you are. What makes me different from you? A burning desire to reject mediocrity! A passion to be better today than I was yesterday!

We do not have to live lives of quiet desperation! If we live like that, its because we gave up trying! Once you do that , you are out!

Let me share with everyone what I think is a scam, the fact that your employer can roll out of their bed one morning and by the stroke of his pen turn your life upside down.

If all of your income and lifestyle is 100% dependent on all of your efforts, I call that SCARY! What happens if you become ill for an extended period of time? What happens if you experience an extended disability? What happens if your only source of income disappears because of things beyond your control...ie layoffs, bankruptcy, fraud.... you get the picture.

Network marketing is not some catch all for everyone. There are other avenues and other small steps we can take.

I AM NOT ON HERE TO PROMOTE WHAT THOSE STEPS ARE FOR ANYONE!

My suggestion is that you find something that works for you that you can be passionate about and just do it!

Don't buy into the bull **** that is going back and forth on this board about what is a scam and what is not a scam. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself if any of the **** that is posted on here edifies your life? I imagine for all of us the answer would be NO!

Most people miss opportunity because when it shows up it has on overalls and looks like work!


I will leave with this(TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT TO).

"The only place that SUCCESS comes before WORK, is in the dictionary!

My best hopes for each of you!

[cscirpoli]

Originally Posted by jerseylamb

USMED what research have you done? Do you realise that the people running Xango were terminated from their highly paid positions with Morinda for Industrial Espionage and that the law suit is still ongoing? What sort of people are they? Furthermore, are you not aware that the information these people gave to the Patent Office has been thrown out as it proved to be a load of made-up rubbish?

The foundation on which Xango is built has serious questions over it!

You make Medical Claims for the product which is essentially only a mixture of Fruit Juices like Noni and Goji and dozens of other Miracle Cure Drinks that have sprung-up. But then, if sentimental distributors did not make these claims the product would never sell, especially considering the outrageous prices charged.

As for making money, the experienced people in MLM know that it's all about Timing. In other words if you are in at the beginning and provided you have built-up thousands of contacts in your previous MLM deal and you know what to do you can make money fast. In fact, when Xango started they recruited 'key' people that had tens-of-thousands of distributors in their existing networks. By recruiting people like that you can move fast and everybody thinks wow, that must be a good deal, look at how fast they're moving. That's how all the new MLM companies get started by recruiting 'Heavy Hitters' but ordinary people can never duplicate that and after a few months they leave. This rule applies to ALL MLM's and not just Xango. It just happens that I have have first hand knowledge of this company as I got involved with them when they tried to enter the UK market about 2-years ago and made a complete mess of it, letting hundreds of people down - it's true!

Whether the product is good or not is not the issue for me, it's the fact that the people that run Xango have serious questions marks against them and as the saying goes, if a house is built on sand, when the storm comes, it will not stand. I think there are some big challenges ahead for Xango but it's their own fault, they chose to be UNETHICAL from the start. They sowed some bad seeds and I think they will reap bad harvest however, having said all that they are nothing like the serious scammers out there so we need to keep things in perspective.

Just a question, where did these heavy hitters organizations come from?

I could name 4 that had large organizations in 4 mlms over 10 years old.IM NOT GOING to name people or the mlms .My opinion Xango has the lead in the mangosteen market.Most of the time the leader company stays in mlm. bu2u J

[invno1]

I was watching David Letterman one night and Donald Trump was his quest promoting the Apprentice Letterman asked Donald if you wasn't doing what you were doing what you do. Donald Trump said NETWORK MARKETING there was hissing, groans and boo's in the audience immediately without hestitation Donald Trump said with boldness.That why I'm sitting up here and you're seating out there.

well wgc112 u r a freaking idiot---

nice exampples they prove a lot u dumb jackass

ur nothing more than a bottom feeding gay loving loser-----stop peddling ur stupid MM scheme, the bottom line is the moneyt line stops eventually, and for 90% or so of the members, the money line stops before they can get in on it....

have fnu with ur gerbil1!!!!

invo u jackass donald trump saying network marketing is the way to go if he werent doing ewat he was doing does NOT REFER TO MLM

they are different and the fact that people like u try ot peddle MLM as a network marketing scheme makes u a dumb jackass...

go on schemeing ur friends and family and whoever else u get to go in on ur business opportunitties

i dont see anywhere in your posts that u and everyone u referred made money, so why are u defending it.

fack off u bottom feedig fack

[WGCI28]

LOL - Hey umdkook, I read of a good public clinic for the insane that you might want to check out. Let me know when you want to address your mental issues and I will shoot you an e-mail with the information. :)

LMAO .....LOL

[cscirpoli]

isn't MLM the same as Network Marketing...that's what i thought

[Penman]

Id' like to weigh in momentarily with something I posted in another section on this board (I didn't see this thread initially or I would have posted here first). As for the patent, it will be interesting indeed but at the moment it is still enforceable. Plus, being first to market, patent or not, is what makes Xango™ number one. Also, as for the credibility of the founders, it is in very little question by anyone other than the Morinda folks. Highly reputable network marketing icons have joined Xango™ to become distributors not only because of an amazing product, but because the corporate team is one of integrity. Everything about the company from day 1, on the corporate level, has been solid and admirable. I can't speak for the many distributors slandering other companies, making false claims, etc..., but NONE of that comes from any of the founders or individuals at corporate. Everything we see from their offices or the things we hear from them at corporate meetings in regards to the patent or other companies is always handled professionally and with respect. Also, from what I read from the link at the beginning of this thread on mlm.com, there seems to be some confusion about the "partnership" between Xango™ and WILD Flavors. People are stating that it's nothing special and that Xango™ distributors are blowing it way out of proportion because they just bottle the juice. This is not true. They helped create the juice and made it their biggest single product launch to date. Last March I attended the regional event in Las Vegas and the WILD Executive in charge of the U.S. affairs was present and spoke for at least 30 minutes in regards to the exclusive partnership they share with Xango™. Also, Xango™ distributors are rewarded with a trip to Europe when reaching a certain level in the company which includes an ALL OUT TOUR of the WILD facilities in Germany and dinner with the Wild's themselves. This is hardly your "average" partnership. Now, for what I wrote earlier:

I'm a Xango™ independent distributor and found this thread while doing a google search to see what skeptics are saying about Xango™ to stay informed. I think 2 key points have been overlooked (I was reading REALLY late last night so I might have missed them. Apologies if this is the case). First, I'm reading that the in vivo research papers found on pubmed (over 1100) are not sufficient evidence that mangosteen or xanthones do anything because this is done in test tubes and pitri dishes instead of in human bodies. However, what we find are centuries worth of peoples in different areas using the mangosteen (continuously) for a wide variety of ailments and claiming it to have medicinal properties. We also have the thousands upon thousands of personal testimonies from those who are taking mangosteen juice claiming they've had from mild to phenomenal experiences because of it. Now, if people for centuries have claimed it to be doing something and we have testimonies here in the U.S. and abroad of people who claim it's doing something, well then the in vivo test tube and pitri dish studies become corroborating evidence and solidify something that's already been known for a long time. The real test is the real world and the world says they're seeing a significant benefit. This seems obvious to me, but was overlooked for unknown reasons. The second key point is the exclusive partnership with WILD Flavors. WILD Flavors is a 70 year old, multi-billion dollar beverage manufacturing company in Germany. They produce Red Bull, Sobe, Capri Sun, and countless other drinks that you, me, and nearly the rest of the world are familiar with. If there wasn't a shred of credible, reliable scientific data to support what the mangosteen can and will do for people, WILD would have NEVER put their reputation on the line by partnering with a company that was headed for utter failure because of a drink, centered on a fruit, with nothing but stories. Xango™ was WILD's largest product launch EVER and is breaking all of their growth records considerably. It seems that most of the anti-MLM sentiments are justified because of one area of a company, product, management, and so on. Having been burned in MLM once before because of this, I've taken a very close look at every other "opportunity" that's been presented to me. Xango™ is by no means your ordinary MLM opportunity. The company is stellar from start to finish. Hopefully the above 2 points will add to the discussion for further conversing.

[rtf]

Originally Posted by Penman

I can't speak for the many distributors slandering other companies, making false claims, etc..., but NONE of that comes from any of the founders or individuals at corporate.

If you can't speak for these distributors, then maybe Xango should be held accountable. After all, it is the Xango product that they are selling!

Also, from what I read from the link at the beginning of this thread on mlm.com, there seems to be some confusion about the "partnership" between Xango™ and WILD Flavors. People are stating that it's nothing special and that Xango™ distributors are blowing it way out of proportion because they just bottle the juice. This is not true. They helped create the juice and made it their biggest single product launch to date. Last March I attended the regional event in Las Vegas and the WILD Executive in charge of the U.S. affairs was present and spoke for at least 30 minutes in regards to the exclusive partnership they share with Xango™. Also, Xango™ distributors are rewarded with a trip to Europe when reaching a certain level in the company which includes an ALL OUT TOUR of the WILD facilities in Germany and dinner with the Wild's themselves. This is hardly your "average" partnership. Now, for what I wrote earlier:

If Wild Flavors does indeed have an "exclusive" partnership with Xango, it isn't widely advertised by Wild as Xango distributors would probably like. Now why is that?

I'm a Xango™ independent distributor and found this thread while doing a google search to see what skeptics are saying about Xango™ to stay informed. I think 2 key points have been overlooked (I was reading REALLY late last night so I might have missed them. Apologies if this is the case). First, I'm reading that the in vivo research papers found on pubmed (over 1100) are not sufficient evidence that mangosteen or xanthones do anything because this is done in test tubes and pitri dishes instead of in human bodies. However, what we find are centuries worth of peoples in different areas using the mangosteen (continuously) for a wide variety of ailments and claiming it to have medicinal properties. We also have the thousands upon thousands of personal testimonies from those who are taking mangosteen juice claiming they've had from mild to phenomenal experiences because of it. Now, if people for centuries have claimed it to be doing something and we have testimonies here in the U.S. and abroad of people who claim it's doing something, well then the in vivo test tube and pitri dish studies become corroborating evidence and solidify something that's already been known for a long time. The real test is the real world and the world says they're seeing a significant benefit. This seems obvious to me, but was overlooked for unknown reasons. The second key point is the exclusive partnership with WILD Flavors. WILD Flavors is a 70 year old, multi-billion dollar beverage manufacturing company in Germany. They produce Red Bull, Sobe, Capri Sun, and countless other drinks that you, me, and nearly the rest of the world are familiar with. If there wasn't a shred of credible, reliable scientific data to support what the mangosteen can and will do for people, WILD would have NEVER put their reputation on the line by partnering with a company that was headed for utter failure because of a drink, centered on a fruit, with nothing but stories. Xango™ was WILD's largest product launch EVER and is breaking all of their growth records considerably. It seems that most of the anti-MLM sentiments are justified because of one area of a company, product, management, and so on. Having been burned in MLM once before because of this, I've taken a very close look at every other "opportunity" that's been presented to me. Xango™ is by no means your ordinary MLM opportunity. The company is stellar from start to finish. Hopefully the above 2 points will add to the discussion for further conversing.

Additional discussion for further conversing: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=75847#post75847

[Penman]

Originally Posted by rtf

If you can't speak for these distributors, then maybe Xango should be held accountable. After all, it is the Xango product that they are selling!

If Wild Flavors does indeed have an "exclusive" partnership with Xango, it isn't widely advertised by Wild as Xango distributors would probably like. Now why is that?

Additional discussion for further conversing: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=75847#post75847

If every company was held accountable for what their employees said, no company would be left to sell anything. Bad news and gossip just travel a lot faster than good news. You're taking a ridiculously small percentage of distributors and then saying the company should be held accountable. Corporate says what we should and shouldn't say and how we should conduct ourselves. People can and do choose to do and say otherwise. This is called free will. I suggest you find a better angle.

As for WILD, the partnership from their point of view might not be as big and is therefore not as widely advertised. They're a 70 year old, billion-dollar company who make Sobe and Red Bull. Of course it's going to be a bigger deal to Xango™ because it's US who really gain the advantage and see it as a great step being an MLM company. As stated and overlooked, Xango™ distributors get a very personalized tour, eat dinner with the Wilds, and have WILD execs attending and speaking at corporate events talking about the partnership. If this was your run-of-the-mill partnership, none of this would be available to the distributors. Think about it.