YTB is MLM? YTB Travel and Crusies is not?

[Samsil]

Hi I am new to this forum and I read the threads on PRT Travel and CashCard Worldwide. I am looking to find a position in the travel Industry and willing to work. Is YTB similar or the same as the other MLM companies?
Thanks

[Scam_Alert]

If Your looking to become a travel agent or a homebase travel agent. You should go to your local travel agency offices and ask them questions or call the OSSN, ASTA and also look into host agencies NOT these mlm, cardmills.

Host Agencies will give you all support and a gds system. One that comes to mind because it is the largest host agency I know is Nexion Inc (owned by Sabre Holdings) www.nexion.com.


Stay away from MLM and cardmills they are not a travel agency.

[MVP17031]

Scam Alert..you still don't get it...LOL!! YTB is not a card mill, neither is GTT/PRT, if you look at the PRT thread you'd listen to Mr. Anolik tell the story on what is happening to the travel industry! Believe what you want but, YTB is here to stay and everything thats going on is LEGIT! Have a nice day! YTB Travel & Cruises is a TRAVEL AGENCY, YTB.COM is the Marketing Company! If you'd like any questions send me a PM Samsil and I'll get your questions answered! Have a nice day!

[MattG1981]

YTB is absolutely the real deal. I purchased my own Travel Business for $350 plus a $49.95 a month website cost. Well after you sign up 6 people under you your website is free for the rest of your life as long as you keep at least 6 active people under you. This is an awesome price when you consider the cost of buying a travel agency franchise is roughly around $25,000 and an extra 8 to 12 thousand if you want to book cruises as well. I'm making an awesome income and am expecting over $32,000 in revenue this month alone. Talk to me if you have any questions at all. Check out my website and you can read about YTB. If you're skeptical do a Dunn and Bradstreet report which gives you all the information on any actual working business. NOT SCAMS but true businesses. You can also contact the better business bureau of Greater St. Louis and they'll tell you nothing but positive things about YTB. YTB is the world's fastest growing travel agency. Here's the way I look at things. I made a $400 investment at a possibilty to live my life the way I wanted instead of making someone else rich while working a 40 hour work week. If it worked out it was money well spent. If not then at least I gave it a try. I took a chance. Unfortunately my brother had an opportunity like this several years ago. A stock broker friend of his informed him that he needed to buy stock in an at the time small computer company for $10 per share. My brother owning his own computer business decided against it. The $10 stock shortly thereafter grew to $60 per share and then split. It went back down to 10 and then grew again to 60. It split again going back down to 10 and then grew to $60 per share again. It split one more time and going from 10 to 60 again. Had my brother bought just $1000 worth of shares at $10 per share he would have made roughly $360,000 of of a small investment. He's kicking himself now. When I presented him with YTB he jumped at the opportunity and is making great money with it and will continue making more and more with it. Any questions contact me. Check out my website http://www.travelsureinternational.com Check out some of the info on the page about YTB. If you're interested in joining then send me an e-mail at info@travelsureinternational and I'll get back in touch with you to tell you how. I hope this helps.

Matt

[Scamblighter]

I was recently approached by a local YTBer who made the whole pitch. I did some research and found the following post

http://www.ossn.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004803.html

Read the message by the user OSSN OFFICE he is the president of OSSN

The local YBTer e-mail me saying that they had all the certifications including OSSN.

So can anyone tell me truth? :confused: :confused:

[EX-YTBER-NOW-PROTRAVELER]

Thank God, finally a Travel business that will teach you how to be an Independent Travel Agent. Learn the travel biz, learn how to book directly with the vendors and receive 75% commissions, get unlimited training,FREE. Get travel credentials such as the industry CLIA card without the $149 price tag only pay the CLIA fee of $25. Monthly fee is $29 instead of $49 and the $29 goes away with just 2 people instead of 6. Not to mention the opportunity, just 5500 reps, 2 1/2 years company, truly DEBT FREE, and OPEN in CANADA. This company is posed for an EXPOSION!!!!! and the are looking for leaders just like you. Plus they are going PUBLIC in 60 days,WOW!!!!! I learned all this after leaving YTB. www.protravelnet.com//jcooper

[travelhound]

Originally Posted by EX-YTBER-NOW-PROTRAVELER

Thank God, finally a Travel business that will teach you how to be an Independent Travel Agent. Learn the travel biz, learn how to book directly with the vendors and receive 75% commissions, get unlimited training,FREE. Get travel credentials such as the industry CLIA card without the $149 price tag only pay the CLIA fee of $25. Monthly fee is $29 instead of $49 and the $29 goes away with just 2 people instead of 6. Not to mention the opportunity, just 5500 reps, 2 1/2 years company, truly DEBT FREE, and OPEN in CANADA. This company is posed for an EXPOSION!!!!! and the are looking for leaders just like you. Plus they are going PUBLIC in 60 days,WOW!!!!! I learned all this after leaving YTB. www.protravelnet.com//jcooper

I joined YTB 1/25/06 after two very bad ventures in other travel companies. YTB is the best travel company in the world if it fits your niche. You know that you get the $149 back if you bring 3 reps in to be trained. Why is your post here? Find a company that fits your niche and stick with it. YTB is a referring travel agency niche. The difference between a travel agent and a referring travel agent is that a travel agent gets a lot of phone calls to book travel, then he/she gets a lot of phone calls to change the itineray, then he/she gets a lot of phone calls to change it again, and so forth and so on. That's not my niche. A referring travel agent just passes out his business card and says, "Here's my booking site, please book your next trip with me. Thank you." That's my niche.

[Just_Curious]

Originally Posted by MattG1981

YTB is the world's fastest growing travel agency.

Um MattG1981 I was just curious where you get this information from? I would like to see it.

Samsil please also consider WorldVentures. WorldVentures is poised to take over the Travel industry with the innovative marketing and cutting edge technology they offer. I look at it this way. We offer our Dreamtrips which is like the Samsclub or Costco of the travel industry. By booking in bulk we are able to put together travel packages for greatly reduced prices. ie: Cruises from Royal Caribbean for 33.50 cost ppdo on a 4day / 3 night cruise in the Bahamas (total cost per person was 149.99 including port, taxes and gratuities) or our May Carnival Cruise for 5days/4nights to Ensenada for 99.99 ppdo (260.99 including port, taxes and gratuity). This is just 2 examples of the trips we have brokered and there are more to come. We booked the whole resort in Jaco Beach Costa Rica for our April trip and sold it out in less than 3 weeks.

Along with our Dreamtrips package we also have our Referring Travel Agent Package. It is similar to the YTB/CCW/GTT packages but we have our proprietary search engine that will search up to 200 website simultaneously. We do the work for your clients in 1 click so they don't have to search Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia plus others and most airlines directly. It becomes a convenience for them which keep them coming back. BTW our backoffice has the commission on travel appear and can be tracked within 24 hours. No other company can do that for you. You will actually see the commission you will be getting paid once they complete their travel.

Oh and you want to know the real Travel Companies we are developing our BTA (Booking Travel Agent) package in the future. This is for those who would like to be a full service travel agent. All of our group sales leads that are generated on our sites will be referred out to our BTAs. Look on our booking site and you will see the tab for group travel. How awesome is that? Then the RTA and the BTA both get a commission. The RTA gets commission for driving the traffic to the BTA and the BTA gets paid for booking it.

This is just a sample of the many ways we get paid at WV. We have many other innovations to attract clients and keep them but it is hard to list them all in a post. If you would like any further information then please PM me through the link for Just_Curious.

Well nuff for now. L8 :cool:

BTW Sams Club, Costco, Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia, YTB, CCW and GTT are tradmarked companies and I do not speak for them in anyway.

[UtopiaTravel]

Have to agree with Just_Curious on this one. I too am with World Ventures and have been VERY pleased thus far.

Where YTB costs $350 plus $49.95 per month, you can get into World Ventures for $250 and $19.95 per month...plus you only need to get TWO people with WV instead of SIX YTB requires.

My own personal Testimonial is this:

Wife and I went to Las Vegas for the NASCAR race. We checked online and the lowest price available was $576 round trip for two. I then told them I was in the travel industry and gave them my IATAN number that I have with WV and the flight went from $576 to just $35+tax each way(direct flights) per person. I saved way more than the cost of joining WV because I was able to use my Referring Travel Agent credentials that I recceived through WV.

[Seeker of truth]

This has slowly descended into an advertising board for the various travel clubs pitching for new recruits. One claim (an MLM favourite) The fastest growing company in the world. I love it. Someone else earning 32K a month yet still posting (advertising) Surprised he's got time.

[gulliversman]

I am a home based Travel Agent with Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver's is out of Sarasota, FL and is a true brick and motar office since 1969.

GTT is a cardmill, and since the founders of WV are also from GTT, they would also be card mills.

Gulliver's is ARC, CLIA and IATAN affiliated.

for more info: steinmetz@verizon.net

[UtopiaTravel]

Originally Posted by gulliversman

I am a home based Travel Agent with Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver's is out of Sarasota, FL and is a true brick and motar office since 1969.

GTT is a cardmill, and since the founders of WV are also from GTT, they would also be card mills.

Gulliver's is ARC, CLIA and IATAN affiliated.

for more info: steinmetz@verizon.net

WV is not a card mill. they have the same credentials as you do.

[gulliversman]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

WV is not a card mill. they have the same credentials as you do.

I was with GTT for 6 months and know what the truth is. WV is a break away of GTT. Enough said. :)

[traveldude]

Samsil please also consider WorldVentures. WorldVentures is poised to take over the Travel industry with the innovative marketing and cutting edge technology they offer. I look at it this way. We offer our Dreamtrips which is like the Samsclub or Costco of the travel industry.

Just a heads up on your WV Founder... Know him personally...

He should have the travel stuff down pat by now!

He crashed Smart Travel, PRT, GTT and now has a new lease on life??? Or your money??? He and his buddy - JS - has ruined and robbed people of a good industry by playing their dumb binary games!

The dreamtrips is a joke!

[UtopiaTravel]

Originally Posted by traveldude

Just a heads up on your WV Founder... Know him personally...

He should have the travel stuff down pat by now!

He crashed Smart Travel, PRT, GTT and now has a new lease on life??? Or your money??? He and his buddy - JS - has ruined and robbed people of a good industry by playing their dumb binary games!

The dreamtrips is a joke!

Intersting that you say they have ruined people and robbed them. I say that because they were never officers in GTT. They had no way of robbing anyone because they were not the owners or officers.

So tell me how they stole anything from anybody?????

They left to make a bigger and better opportunity. They pulled thousands of their associates with them to WorldVentures because the owner of GTT wasn't paying them. Thats the real person you need to be bashing, not the "Founder" (of WV) as you say. They left alot of people that were not willing to leave GTT. They were just riding their success, and when they yanked out the rug beneath them they got burned (for being lazy)


FWIW: there was a YTB person saying they were the fastest growing travel mlm. WRONG. YTB has been around for about 6 years and has about 34,000 reps.
WorldVentures has been around for 10 months and has over 20,000 reps. I believe that would make WV the fastest growing mlm travel company, not YTB

[Javadude]

Hello. This is my first post on this thread. A friend got my wife and I into YTB about a month ago. YTB had just been featured in Success from Home magazine. We went to a meeting and got the lowdown. There was standing room only at this meeting hall in Clear***** Florida. We slept on it and discussed the pros and cons about the biz. We love to travel and having our own site to place bookings(and receiving commissions back) sold us on the plan. No one twisted our arms to join, but the $6000 guarantee that we would make money got the money out. To get the guarantee the Referring Travel Agent, me, has to order $99.00 worth of these Success at Home magazines a month for 13 months. If YTB is guaranteeing success it seemed like a win-win situation.
What concerns me now: The upper echelon at YTB touts their company is strong. They spoke of how their OTCBB stock has soared. They spoke of gaining popularity and recruiting by the thousands. I took my retirement account and put it all in YTB stock. Since then, the stock has DROPPED $0.60/share. I search Edgars and Hoovers, stock websites, for any news on YTB. The only result is they keep filing for SEC extensions. I wonder just how solvent this company is.
I received an e-mail over the weekend and their legal department has advised that all meetings of over 5 people present, has to have a verbal anouncement of what the cost will be. Websites have to have this same disclosure on their homepage. They also have raised the initial fee to $449.99 or something like that.
YTB is probably on the up and up. I pray they are. However, lack of SEC filings, new disclosures and increased fees make me wonder if the top of the pyramid is getting ready for their own "shakedown cruise" :confused:

[jebaroo]

Originally Posted by Javadude

Hello. This is my first post on this thread. A friend got my wife and I into YTB about a month ago. YTB had just been featured in Success from Home magazine. We went to a meeting and got the lowdown. There was standing room only at this meeting hall in Clear***** Florida. We slept on it and discussed the pros and cons about the biz. We love to travel and having our own site to place bookings(and receiving commissions back) sold us on the plan. No one twisted our arms to join, but the $6000 guarantee that we would make money got the money out. To get the guarantee the Referring Travel Agent, me, has to order $99.00 worth of these Success at Home magazines a month for 13 months. If YTB is guaranteeing success it seemed like a win-win situation.
What concerns me now: The upper echelon at YTB touts their company is strong. They spoke of how their OTCBB stock has soared. They spoke of gaining popularity and recruiting by the thousands. I took my retirement account and put it all in YTB stock. Since then, the stock has DROPPED $0.60/share. I search Edgars and Hoovers, stock websites, for any news on YTB. The only result is they keep filing for SEC extensions. I wonder just how solvent this company is.
I received an e-mail over the weekend and their legal department has advised that all meetings of over 5 people present, has to have a verbal anouncement of what the cost will be. Websites have to have this same disclosure on their homepage. They also have raised the initial fee to $449.99 or something like that.
YTB is probably on the up and up. I pray they are. However, lack of SEC filings, new disclosures and increased fees make me wonder if the top of the pyramid is getting ready for their own "shakedown cruise" :confused:

I was in YTB, I too bought some stock and have been waiting for 18 months to see if the stock would do anything.. I feel that they make their money from the startup costs $399 plus the $49 per month. I know the actual travel agency does book alot of travel but all of my friends were always able to beat my price elsewhere.

Most people I approached liked the idea but could not get over the $49 per month...

I do think ytb is a good company but just not for me ....good luck


thanks

[travellingman]

Originally Posted by Javadude

Hello. This is my first post on this thread. A friend got my wife and I into YTB about a month ago. YTB had just been featured in Success from Home magazine. We went to a meeting and got the lowdown. There was standing room only at this meeting hall in Clear***** Florida. We slept on it and discussed the pros and cons about the biz. We love to travel and having our own site to place bookings(and receiving commissions back) sold us on the plan. No one twisted our arms to join, but the $6000 guarantee that we would make money got the money out. To get the guarantee the Referring Travel Agent, me, has to order $99.00 worth of these Success at Home magazines a month for 13 months. If YTB is guaranteeing success it seemed like a win-win situation.
What concerns me now: The upper echelon at YTB touts their company is strong. They spoke of how their OTCBB stock has soared. They spoke of gaining popularity and recruiting by the thousands. I took my retirement account and put it all in YTB stock. Since then, the stock has DROPPED $0.60/share. I search Edgars and Hoovers, stock websites, for any news on YTB. The only result is they keep filing for SEC extensions. I wonder just how solvent this company is.
I received an e-mail over the weekend and their legal department has advised that all meetings of over 5 people present, has to have a verbal anouncement of what the cost will be. Websites have to have this same disclosure on their homepage. They also have raised the initial fee to $449.99 or something like that.
YTB is probably on the up and up. I pray they are. However, lack of SEC filings, new disclosures and increased fees make me wonder if the top of the pyramid is getting ready for their own "shakedown cruise" :confused:

I am from Oklahoma where there are less than 200 YTB RTA's so I am a little jealous of you guys in Clear*****, Sarasota, and Tampa who have standing room only meetings. I would love to have that kind of problem here. You know a YTB home business for $449 is worth every penny and more because of the freedom, tax advantages, and income stream it offers. You are going to get every penny of that back on next year's income tax write-offs. Even the $49 a month is tax deductible. Get you an advertising car magnet and you can deduct the depreciation on your automobile. YTB is the best home business bar none for tax advantaged purposes.

As far as the stock goes, I posted on another thread a little while ago and I will repeat it here.

I am not knowledgeable in stock market investing, but I have interest in YTB as a RTA and have been wondering why the value of YTB stock is dropping for about 2 weeks straight after a brief period of climbing. YTB corporate were not willing to give out financial details to me, but referred me to Yahoo Financial site. I suspect the incomplete audit of YTB's quarterly and yearly financial statements for 2004-2005 is causing it. Here is the page of the public summary on the ongoing audit. I do know that this audit was generated internally by YTB because of poor bookkeeping by the previous accounting firm which was fired by YTB. The new CFO was hired in Jan 06 and his first job is to clean up the mess left from the former accounting people. Here is the link to the only posting I could find on the incomplete audit:

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/060207/ytbl.pk8-k.html

I suspect after YTB gets their financial reports in order and posted, if they prove business is as good as everybody in the company is touting, the stocks are going to double then triple in value. I believe you should hang on to what you got (be patient) and you will make a lot of money.

On this past Saturday's Coach's conference call, he said the number of Referring Travel Agents increased by an average of 240 per day for the week. That's higher than last week's average of 225. This company is borderline of hitting momemtum stage of the company's history. That's when the company's growth will start exploding and hundreds of RTA's will become new millionaire's.

[UtopiaTravel]

Originally Posted by jebaroo

I was in YTB, I too bought some stock and have been waiting for 18 months to see if the stock would do anything.. I feel that they make their money from the startup costs $399 plus the $49 per month. I know the actual travel agency does book alot of travel but all of my friends were always able to beat my price elsewhere.

Most people I approached liked the idea but could not get over the $49 per month...

I do think ytb is a good company but just not for me ....good luck


thanks

Thats three reasons alone why WorldVentures is going to pass YTB by the end of the year in Reps.

#1 I have NEVER found YTB to beat my WorldVentures price. Since we search over 200 websites we definately find the cheaper price.

#2 WorldVentures is only $250 upfront compared to $399 at YTB

#3 YTB is $50 per month compared to $19.99 per month for the exact same thing that YTB offers (website and RTA credentials). For an additional $19.95 we get DreamTrips (that YTB doesn't even offer). Add both products together ($39.95)and WV is still $10 cheaper per month than YTB with only one (inferior) product.

YTB is not a bad company, but their costs and the fact that they offer less for the $50 has gotten me a few in my organization that was looking at YTB.

[Patriot101]

I am new here, but calling it like I see it. I'll be short and to the point.

WV's IATAN # 05584456 is based out of Redondo Beach, CA. TravelTech's old location. According to Darren Innis at IATAN, they will pull the number if they verify that they actually are located and doing business out of Texas. As of today WV is being reviewed for possible breach of agreement due to this revelation.

The card mill issue concerns IATA, but not enough to pull the number. They do not endorse the idea of selling ID cards, but that they qualify the company on other parameters. If they are met they issue the IATAN #.

Any doubts please contact Dennis at 877.734.2826 x-4425

Still researching Orange County lawsuit involving Mr. Daniel Ko & WV. Anything new all will know.

Good luck to all. History does repeat itself. Be careful.

[UtopiaTravel]

Originally Posted by Patriot101

I am new here, but calling it like I see it. I'll be short and to the point.

WV's IATAN # 05584456 is based out of Redondo Beach, CA. TravelTech's old location. According to Darren Innis at IATAN, they will pull the number if they verify that they actually are located and doing business out of Texas. As of today WV is being reviewed for possible breach of agreement due to this revelation.

The card mill issue concerns IATA, but not enough to pull the number. They do not endorse the idea of selling ID cards, but that they qualify the company on other parameters. If they are met they issue the IATAN #.

Any doubts please contact Dennis at 877.734.2826 x-4425

Still researching Orange County lawsuit involving Mr. Daniel Ko & WV. Anything new all will know.

Good luck to all. History does repeat itself. Be careful.

Good Lord! Here we go again.

HERE IS THE DEAL PEOPLE!!!

WorldVentures HEADQUARTERS is in Texas. The TRAVEL SERVICES WHERE THE TRAVEL IS ACTUALLY BOOKED IS IN REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA EVERY bit of travel that is booked is ran through the Redondo Beach call center. EVERYTHING is legit. There is a physical address for the Travel Services there.

We operate like EVERY COMPANY that has an HQ in one place and their call center is somewhere else. Companies that do this are in the THOUSANDS!


DO YOU GET THE PICTURE???????

I have PERSONALLY spoke with IATA and everything you just wrote is FALSE because you are saying WV is booking travel out of Texas which they are not. If they were then it might be different. That is the spin you are trying to make it look like, unfortunately (for you) there are people here like Just Curiuos and myself that actually know what is going on.

As far as the lawsuit, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Just some guys that are trying to get their piece of the pie. Just because there might me a lawsuit does not mean a company is bad. I wonder how many lawsuits WalMart,Target,Sears, JCPenny , etc...have going on right now? And they are companies we all believe in.

Go away! You have TWO posts and they are BOTH the same post as above. Had to create another username because you got shot down before? I guess you feel that if you keep creating new names and posting negative things that will discourage people. That is not going to work without FACTS!

You have been saying this for over a year now, and EVERYTHING has been proven wrong....just as I just did to your latest flame.

[Patriot101]

If that is the case and verified, then I am wrong. First time I post here and other thread. Was only attempting to inform others on what I have found out by simply making phone calls. Sorry to disappoint you Utopia, but my wife insisited I conduct some minor due diligence before pursuing WV.

The involvement of past characters from GTT caused me concern like it would to any other reasonable thinking person. The dots may not connect, but they come extremely close to pianting a similar scenario.

I do have one particular friend making money good from this opportunity, but 90% of it is from signing people up left and right not from the booking travel aspect of it.

I just hope it works for everyone. If it does not, then I hope it is because of lack of effort and not a pyramid scam.

I can assure you that you will not hear from me again unless I can provide concrete information positive or negative regarding this business opportunity.

[iglesiagh]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Thats three reasons alone why WorldVentures is going to pass YTB by the end of the year in Reps.

#1 I have NEVER found YTB to beat my WorldVentures price. Since we search over 200 websites we definately find the cheaper price.

#2 WorldVentures is only $250 upfront compared to $399 at YTB

#3 YTB is $50 per month compared to $19.99 per month for the exact same thing that YTB offers (website and RTA credentials). For an additional $19.95 we get DreamTrips (that YTB doesn't even offer). Add both products together ($39.95)and WV is still $10 cheaper per month than YTB with only one (inferior) product.

YTB is not a bad company, but their costs and the fact that they offer less for the $50 has gotten me a few in my organization that was looking at YTB.

1. Are you saying that your price always beats YTB's website? I've found that NO WEBSITE is ALWAYS the cheapest. Perhaps you should rephrase that statement so as not to be too dogmatic; it is not true to WV is ALWAYS cheaper than YTB.

2. Do you have an income guarantee? Why would I go to your company and, yes, spend less money, yet have no guarantee from the company that I'll turn a profit? If I told you to find me $5 and I might give you $20, or if you find me $10 I'd guarantee you $20, which is the better deal? Every person I sponsor into my business I can guarantee to them in writing $6,000 earnings in 12 months...you cannot.

3. Has your company guaranteed your residual to you by contact for life? If so, please post the contractual guarantee on this message board. If not, why would I go from a company that guarantess me my residual to a company that hasn't? Can anyone say EXCEL?

Price is not everything. You don't get the "exact same thing" that YTB offers. You have no income guarantee and no residual guarantee. Just for those two reasons alone I'd have to reject your claim of a superior product.

[travellingman]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Thats three reasons alone why WorldVentures is going to pass YTB by the end of the year in Reps.

#1 I have NEVER found YTB to beat my WorldVentures price. Since we search over 200 websites we definately find the cheaper price.

#2 WorldVentures is only $250 upfront compared to $399 at YTB

#3 YTB is $50 per month compared to $19.99 per month for the exact same thing that YTB offers (website and RTA credentials). For an additional $19.95 we get DreamTrips (that YTB doesn't even offer). Add both products together ($39.95)and WV is still $10 cheaper per month than YTB with only one (inferior) product.

YTB is not a bad company, but their costs and the fact that they offer less for the $50 has gotten me a few in my organization that was looking at YTB.

In defense of truth here in response to your 3 points:

1. World Ventures does not always have the lowest fare. No one does.

2. You've got it backwards. YTB is only $399 compared to World Ventures $250. The price matches the value of the company. YTB's copyrighted compensation plan is the best in MLM, including the best commissions, bonuses and residuals. If you want to talk about what you get for your WV dollar compared to YTB'S dollar bring it on. You get what you pay for. We in YTB know the great value we are getting for our one time start up cost of $399 soon to be $449 on October 1. The $49.99 is reimbursed if you sponsor 6 people. That's tax deductible too.

3. Inferior is the key word in point 3. Only it is misplaced in the sentence. It applies to one company matched against the other. Side by side YTB clearly is superior. An airline booking engine does not make a company great. Solid consolidated alliances with dozens of travel vendors and a good booking site does a great company make. That's what YTB has. Our alliances are with World Choice Hotels, Hotels.com, Travelocity, Carnival Cruise Lines, Apple Vacations, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Sandals, Trafalgar Tours, Honeymoon Wishes and much more. YTB is having it's own Travel Trade Show Convention next weekend in Orlando where travel vendors and thousands of RTAs will be meeting for a get together. They offer less for $50. THAT'S A LIE. You don't have any idea what you are saying or don't mind lying one. YTB offers commission tracking, fulfillment of travel bookings, and back office support is the best I've ever seen: Includes web site hosting, deals and steals (discount vacations on short notice), passively mailed to our customers, archival of weekly training calls. We have the absolute most professional training calls I have ever heard. Then YTB archives them for people who were unable to listen to the call live. My final input: I suggest you go away, you are just a wannabe, but you will never be #1 like YTB. You have a snowball's chance in ....... that will ever happen.

[UtopiaTravel]

Originally Posted by travellingman

In defense of truth here in response to your 3 points:

1. World Ventures does not always have the lowest fare. No one does.

2. You've got it backwards. YTB is only $399 compared to World Ventures $250. The price matches the value of the company. YTB's copyrighted compensation plan is the best in MLM, including the best commissions, bonuses and residuals. If you want to talk about what you get for your WV dollar compared to YTB'S dollar bring it on. You get what you pay for. We in YTB know the great value we are getting for our one time start up cost of $399 soon to be $449 on October 1. The $49.99 is reimbursed if you sponsor 6 people. That's tax deductible too.

3. Inferior is the key word in point 3. Only it is misplaced in the sentence. It applies to one company matched against the other. Side by side YTB clearly is superior. An airline booking engine does not make a company great. Solid consolidated alliances with dozens of travel vendors and a good booking site does a great company make. That's what YTB has. Our alliances are with World Choice Hotels, Hotels.com, Travelocity, Carnival Cruise Lines, Apple Vacations, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Sandals, Trafalgar Tours, Honeymoon Wishes and much more. YTB is having it's own Travel Trade Show Convention next weekend in Orlando where travel vendors and thousands of RTAs will be meeting for a get together. They offer less for $50. THAT'S A LIE. You don't have any idea what you are saying or don't mind lying one. YTB offers commission tracking, fulfillment of travel bookings, and back office support is the best I've ever seen: Includes web site hosting, deals and steals (discount vacations on short notice), passively mailed to our customers, archival of weekly training calls. We have the absolute most professional training calls I have ever heard. Then YTB archives them for people who were unable to listen to the call live. My final input: I suggest you go away, you are just a wannabe, but you will never be #1 like YTB. You have a snowball's chance in ....... that will ever happen.

Spin it how you want.

1) I never said WV is THE Cheapest all the time. I simply stated that YTB as never beat WV price on my many comparisons.

2) I didn't have anything backwards. I said WV is $250 and YTB is $399, the same as what you said. And the increase to $449 is due to the stock being so low. That is the bad part of having a "publicly traded" company. Shareholders want profit and an easy way to get it is by increasing the upfront enrollment. WV has never increased their enrollment. As a matter of fact I don't recall ANY company increasing their enrollment cost....EVER. What is up with that?

I've sat down with a YTB associate and put a pencil to the pay plans side by side. You know what we came up with? YTB is front loaded, meaning quicker money from the start. WV is back loaded where more money comes in over the long haul. You might want to check that out. I'd rather have more 10 years from now than a few $$ more in the first few months. Does YTB pay for your car or House? WV does.

3) An airline booking engine does not make a company great. Solid consolidated alliances with dozens of travel vendors and a good booking site does a great company make. That's what YTB has. Our alliances are with World Choice Hotels, Hotels.com, Travelocity, Carnival Cruise Lines, Apple Vacations, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Sandals, Trafalgar Tours, Honeymoon Wishes and much more.

Well It is easy to see how you are confused. WV does not even book airtravel. We find the lowest fares and link a person to the website. Since we don't make a commission from air, we don't mess with it even though we find the lower prices.
You are pimping YTB for having solid alliances, but you do realize that WV searches more travel websites than any other website don't you? Our Sole Proprietary travel search engine searches 200+ websites. Can YTB claim that? no they can't. Did I mention we are the ONLY website with "Live Chat" where you can chat directly with a WV associate from the booking website with questions about your bookings. Seems that you really don't know what our search engine does even though you are bashing it.


Everything else you are touting in your back office WV has as well. Archived calls, Press Releases, Commission reports, Meeting schedules, training calls etc... So it is not unique at all. Where are YTB's DreamTrips for its members? I didn't see any

YTB #1?

Well why has WV been in business for 10 months and have over 20,000 Associates compared to YTB being around for SIX YEARS and having just 34,000? By years end WV will have more Associates than YTB making us the largest Travel company in the world. It is obvious that WV has something good or we would not be THE FASTEST growing travel company in the world.

By no means is YTB a bad company. I have never said that. I'm just saying that there is a reason WV is growing at the pace it is.

[jebaroo]

Originally Posted by travellingman

We in YTB know the great value we are getting for our one time start up cost of $399 soon to be $449 on October 1. The $49.99 is reimbursed if you sponsor 6 people. That's tax deductible too.

Originally Posted by iglesiagh

Do you have an income guarantee? Why would I go to your company and, yes, spend less money, yet have no guarantee from the company that I'll turn a profit? If I told you to find me $5 and I might give you $20, or if you find me $10 I'd guarantee you $20, which is the better deal? Every person I sponsor into my business I can guarantee to them in writing $6,000 earnings in 12 months...you cannot.

Has your company guaranteed your residual to you by contact for life? If so, please post the contractual guarantee on this message board. If not, why would I go from a company that guarantess me my residual to a company that hasn't? Can anyone say EXCEL?

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

YTB #1?

Well why has WV been in business for 10 months and have over 20,000 Associates compared to YTB being around for SIX YEARS and having just 34,000? By years end WV will have more Associates than YTB making us the largest Travel company in the world. It is obvious that WV has something good or we would not be THE FASTEST growing travel company in the world.

By no means is YTB a bad company. I have never said that. I'm just saying that there is a reason WV is growing at the pace it is.

If the above quotes are correct, two questions,

1) of the 34,000 associates in YTB, how many do not pay the $49.99 per
month because they have recruited 6 people? ( industry studies indicate
that the average associate in any business recruits 2 to 3 )

2) How many people have cashed in on the 'guarantee'? it is my
understanding that the guarantee is only good if you buy 100+ dollars of
magazines monthly for 13 months and that program has only been around
for 2 months....please clarify?

[UtopiaTravel]

I think you have to go a whole year and then they pay you the difference.

Example: You make $2500 in profit from your business, and YTB will pay you $3500 to equal $6,000.
Don't forget you spent $450 to join, plus $50 per month($50x12=$600) on top of $1300 plus for the mags $450+$600+$1300=$2350. That means you made a whopping $50 profit and YTB just has to pay $3500 on the guarantee. Then figure in your advertising costs and your time and that $3500 might not even be that great.

In the meantime the rise in price ($450) will drive the stock price up a little, where paying the guarantee won't matter. They will have made more in stock profit than throughthe YTB associates;remember this is a publicly traded company. Their best interest is driving up the stock price to get shareholders off their back.

If a company has to "bribe" you to join something isn't just right.

[iglesiagh]

Originally Posted by jebaroo

If the above quotes are correct, two questions,

1) of the 34,000 associates in YTB, how many do not pay the $49.99 per
month because they have recruited 6 people? ( industry studies indicate
that the average associate in any business recruits 2 to 3 )

2) How many people have cashed in on the 'guarantee'? it is my
understanding that the guarantee is only good if you buy 100+ dollars of
magazines monthly for 13 months and that program has only been around
for 2 months....please clarify?

1. I'm not sure how many associates have the $49.95 reimbursed? Question: Does it matter? You said, "industry studies indicate that the average associate in any business recruits 2 to 3." Is this YTB's fault? The company has told each person what he/she must do to be exempt from paying the $49.95. It is up to us to do what they say. You ask that question as if it's YTB's fault if people don't sponsor 6 people. Question: At what point does WV reimburse its monthly fee back to its associates? We'll let utopiatravel answer that one...

So why would I go to a company that, yes, charges me less, but gives me no way to work toward removing that charge? Answer: I wouldn't...

2) The guarantee was introduced at this year's national convention in August. Since it's a twelve month program, no one has "cashed in" yet. The guarantee is a legal contract, making the company liable by law if it fails to fulfill its end of the deal. The associate must purchase 300 magazines over a 12 month period, totaling $1,188 in out of pocket expenses. You're guaranteed, however, to earn $6,000? So, what's the big deal here? Can you people count? If I offered you a Certificate of Deposit (CD) paying a yield of 500% over 12 months, would you put your money into it? Then, why are you casting doubt on this magazine program, which, if you are a REP only, gives you a 500% yield over 12 month?

I really cannot believe you people. There is no other company in network marketing history that has paid someone for effort alone. A company comes along and guarantees us income and you all moan and groan because they ask us to purchase the materials. So you all want YTB to pay for the magazines, too? It's not enough that the company would pay you $6,000 and you didn't even sponsor one person...no, that's not enough for you.

Unbelievable...

[Truthbetold]

Utopia,

I always find it interesting when folks from competing companies(ie world ventures) have to talk trash about other companies to make themselves look good.
Go off your good traits!!!
But, maybe you don't have any huh??
Who the hell hangs out on scam.com to promote their deal anyway.
Don't you know folks here would rather blame everyone for their messy lives then take personal responsibility anyway ??

[Truthbetold]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Spin it how you want.


I've sat down with a YTB associate and put a pencil to the pay plans side by side. You know what we came up with? YTB is front loaded, meaning quicker money from the start. WV is back loaded where more money comes in over the long haul. You might want to check that out. I'd rather have more 10 years from now than a few $$ more in the first few months. Does YTB pay for your car or House? WV does.

Utopia.
All kidding aside. Do you really think your binary company with selfish bankrupt owners will last ten years???
Think again.

Remember Equinox??
Your owners owned that :confused:

[iglesiagh]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Spin it how you want.

1) I never said WV is THE Cheapest all the time. I simply stated that YTB as never beat WV price on my many comparisons.

2) I didn't have anything backwards. I said WV is $250 and YTB is $399, the same as what you said. And the increase to $449 is due to the stock being so low. That is the bad part of having a "publicly traded" company. Shareholders want profit and an easy way to get it is by increasing the upfront enrollment. WV has never increased their enrollment. As a matter of fact I don't recall ANY company increasing their enrollment cost....EVER. What is up with that?

I've sat down with a YTB associate and put a pencil to the pay plans side by side. You know what we came up with? YTB is front loaded, meaning quicker money from the start. WV is back loaded where more money comes in over the long haul. You might want to check that out. I'd rather have more 10 years from now than a few $$ more in the first few months. Does YTB pay for your car or House? WV does.

3) An airline booking engine does not make a company great. Solid consolidated alliances with dozens of travel vendors and a good booking site does a great company make. That's what YTB has. Our alliances are with World Choice Hotels, Hotels.com, Travelocity, Carnival Cruise Lines, Apple Vacations, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Sandals, Trafalgar Tours, Honeymoon Wishes and much more.

Well It is easy to see how you are confused. WV does not even book airtravel. We find the lowest fares and link a person to the website. Since we don't make a commission from air, we don't mess with it even though we find the lower prices.
You are pimping YTB for having solid alliances, but you do realize that WV searches more travel websites than any other website don't you? Our Sole Proprietary travel search engine searches 200+ websites. Can YTB claim that? no they can't. Did I mention we are the ONLY website with "Live Chat" where you can chat directly with a WV associate from the booking website with questions about your bookings. Seems that you really don't know what our search engine does even though you are bashing it.


Everything else you are touting in your back office WV has as well. Archived calls, Press Releases, Commission reports, Meeting schedules, training calls etc... So it is not unique at all. Where are YTB's DreamTrips for its members? I didn't see any

YTB #1?

Well why has WV been in business for 10 months and have over 20,000 Associates compared to YTB being around for SIX YEARS and having just 34,000? By years end WV will have more Associates than YTB making us the largest Travel company in the world. It is obvious that WV has something good or we would not be THE FASTEST growing travel company in the world.

By no means is YTB a bad company. I have never said that. I'm just saying that there is a reason WV is growing at the pace it is.

1. I'm glad we've cleared up that WV is not always the cheapest. What you meant to say was that in your limited and biased opinion, WV has always beaten YTB's prices. Fine, I won't argue with your opinion.

2. You said, "And the increase to $449 is due to the stock being so low. That is the bad part of having a "publicly traded" company." Who told you this? From where did you get this information? Please answer and do not avoid.

3. Why did you put "publicly traded" in quotes, so as to diminish its significance? So that now means nothing? Of course, it means nothing until WV becomes publicly traded and then you guys will be touting it without the quotes. YTB is publicly traded and WV is not. Please just accept this and don't let jealousy cloud your better judgment.

4. Concerning the growth of both companies, there's no need to sit here and argue numbers. There are MLM companies that started yesterday that have more REPs than YTB. :-) Listen, I applaud your company for its rapid growth, but only time will show which company is stronger and better. Yes, we shall see...

[jebaroo]

Originally Posted by iglesiagh

1. I'm not sure how many associates have the $49.95 reimbursed? Question: Does it matter? You said, "industry studies indicate that the average associate in any business recruits 2 to 3." Is this YTB's fault? The company has told each person what he/she must do to be exempt from paying the $49.95. It is up to us to do what they say. You ask that question as if it's YTB's fault if people don't sponsor 6 people. Question: At what point does WV reimburse its monthly fee back to its associates? We'll let utopiatravel answer that one...

So why would I go to a company that, yes, charges me less, but gives me no way to work toward removing that charge? Answer: I wouldn't...

2) The guarantee was introduced at this year's national convention in August. Since it's a twelve month program, no one has "cashed in" yet. The guarantee is a legal contract, making the company liable by law if it fails to fulfill its end of the deal. The associate must purchase 300 magazines over a 12 month period, totaling $1,188 in out of pocket expenses. You're guaranteed, however, to earn $6,000? So, what's the big deal here? Can you people count? If I offered you a Certificate of Deposit (CD) paying a yield of 500% over 12 months, would you put your money into it? Then, why are you casting doubt on this magazine program, which, if you are a REP only, gives you a 500% yield over 12 month?

I really cannot believe you people. There is no other company in network marketing history that has paid someone for effort alone. A company comes along and guarantees us income and you all moan and groan because they ask us to purchase the materials. So you all want YTB to pay for the magazines, too? It's not enough that the company would pay you $6,000 and you didn't even sponsor one person...no, that's not enough for you.

Unbelievable...

'you people'?

I was only asking two questions about ytb... I am not promoting any other 'deal'...I know nothing about wv

1) I agree it is not anyone's fault if they don't recruit 6 people but their own. I do think that it is a requirement that many will not achieve, eventually get discouraged and quit the program.

2) the point I was trying to make with the guarantee is that since it has not been a year yet, no one has gotten the guarantee....i know it is in writing, it's a contract, etc but the fact remains that the contract has not been executed yet. I don't have a problem with people purchasing advertising for their business and I can count.

Again call me skeptical, negative or whatever else but I have sat at the same desk for 6 years and have worked for 4 different companies. ( all publicly traded ) Whose to say ytb will be here a year from now. If the stock is going to do as good as 'you people' say, they could easily be bought out.

good luck

[Truthbetold]

Chicken little called, and he wants his balls back

[iglesiagh]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

I think you have to go a whole year and then they pay you the difference.

Example: You make $2500 in profit from your business, and YTB will pay you $3500 to equal $6,000.
Don't forget you spent $450 to join, plus $50 per month($50x12=$600) on top of $1300 plus for the mags $450+$600+$1300=$2350. That means you made a whopping $50 profit and YTB just has to pay $3500 on the guarantee. Then figure in your advertising costs and your time and that $3500 might not even be that great.

In the meantime the rise in price ($450) will drive the stock price up a little, where paying the guarantee won't matter. They will have made more in stock profit than throughthe YTB associates;remember this is a publicly traded company. Their best interest is driving up the stock price to get shareholders off their back.

If a company has to "bribe" you to join something isn't just right.

You need some help adding. If a person becomes an RTA and joins the magazine autoship--which is optional--the first year out of pocket money will be $2238 ($450 initial investment, $600 website fee (if they fail to sponsor 6 people) and $1,188 (12 months of magazines). Since the company's promised $6,000 in commissions, the net gain for 12 months is $3,762. And?? Would you like the company to call it the $3,762 guarantee? Would that make you happy?

Question: How much money has your company guaranteed? I have asked you this question several times and you have not answered. You are criticizing YTB because they ask us to cover the cost of doing business, but then you promote a company that doesn't even have an income guarantee? Hey, that's fine with me that a company doesn't guarantee you income (no other MLM company does), but can't you be honest and see how we've done something no one else's has had the guts to do? Do you have the humility to say it's even a good thing? They have put their money where their mouth is; they believe in this plan and they've laid it on the line.

Now, you went through this explanation as to how the company can do this...who cares! This is the reaction that non-believers always give. It's not enough for you to accept that the company has done something to help the average networker...no, you have to know how they do it. Question: Who gave you all this information? How do you know that this is all related to the stock price? Answer this question.

This statement here is revealing, indeed: "If a company has to "bribe" you to join something isn't just right"

Bribe? Come on, man. Now, I'm going to give you a chance to rephrase that.

Don't you know that there is work involved in the magazine guarantee? Why would you make an accusation like that? To put it simple, utopia, you are jealous. You know that if WV would have done what YTB has done with this guarantee, you would be all over this board showing it up. But, since YTB has done it, it's a bribe. Please, don't fall to the level of those who are just dead set against YTB. Be honest and unbiased in your assessment.

[travellingman]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Spin it how you want.

1) I never said WV is THE Cheapest all the time. I simply stated that YTB as never beat WV price on my many comparisons.

2) I didn't have anything backwards. I said WV is $250 and YTB is $399, the same as what you said. And the increase to $449 is due to the stock being so low. That is the bad part of having a "publicly traded" company. Shareholders want profit and an easy way to get it is by increasing the upfront enrollment. WV has never increased their enrollment. As a matter of fact I don't recall ANY company increasing their enrollment cost....EVER. What is up with that?

I've sat down with a YTB associate and put a pencil to the pay plans side by side. You know what we came up with? YTB is front loaded, meaning quicker money from the start. WV is back loaded where more money comes in over the long haul. You might want to check that out. I'd rather have more 10 years from now than a few $$ more in the first few months. Does YTB pay for your car or House? WV does.

3) An airline booking engine does not make a company great. Solid consolidated alliances with dozens of travel vendors and a good booking site does a great company make. That's what YTB has. Our alliances are with World Choice Hotels, Hotels.com, Travelocity, Carnival Cruise Lines, Apple Vacations, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Sandals, Trafalgar Tours, Honeymoon Wishes and much more.

Well It is easy to see how you are confused. WV does not even book airtravel. We find the lowest fares and link a person to the website. Since we don't make a commission from air, we don't mess with it even though we find the lower prices.
You are pimping YTB for having solid alliances, but you do realize that WV searches more travel websites than any other website don't you? Our Sole Proprietary travel search engine searches 200+ websites. Can YTB claim that? no they can't. Did I mention we are the ONLY website with "Live Chat" where you can chat directly with a WV associate from the booking website with questions about your bookings. Seems that you really don't know what our search engine does even though you are bashing it.


Everything else you are touting in your back office WV has as well. Archived calls, Press Releases, Commission reports, Meeting schedules, training calls etc... So it is not unique at all. Where are YTB's DreamTrips for its members? I didn't see any

YTB #1?

Well why has WV been in business for 10 months and have over 20,000 Associates compared to YTB being around for SIX YEARS and having just 34,000? By years end WV will have more Associates than YTB making us the largest Travel company in the world. It is obvious that WV has something good or we would not be THE FASTEST growing travel company in the world.

By no means is YTB a bad company. I have never said that. I'm just saying that there is a reason WV is growing at the pace it is.

There is no reason to spin YTB. Our success speaks for itself especially in the area that we have proven we have the most lucrative comp plan in network marketing history that is so good it had to be copyrighted.
Your Spin #1 -- YTB's comp plan is front loaded. You sound like the guy that is telling me not to go watch the movie you have never seen yourself. How do you know I shouldn't go to the movie if you have never seen it? That's how much you know about YTB's comp plan. The truth is YTB'S comp plan is loaded with bonuses at the entry level, mid-level, and top level. When you include the residual income and profit sharing with that, well, it just had to be copyrighted to protect it. There are at least 9 streams of income associated with our comp plan. If you hang around here long enough arguing with me about it, I'm going to cover the whole beautiful thing before it's all over. YTB's record setting first million dollar bonus paid to a marketing rep in MLM history was not paid up front. It took that rep 4 years to earn it. We have two more reps that may be the #2 and #3 million dollar bonus earners by year's end.

Your Spin #2 -- The increse in purchasing an online travel agency is due to the price being so low. Although, the raise in price is going to raise the value of our stock, it's also going to raise the paychecks of the marketing reps. The One time purchase fee of $449 for a business with 9 streams of income protected by a historical one of a kind "Bill of Rights" is the value of the century.

Your Spin #3 -- YTB has been in business for 6 years and only has 34,000 RTA'S.
The truth is our first marketing rep came into the business in July 2002. It took us 3 years to get 10,000 reps. Jan 05, 6 months later we had 20,000 reps. Aug 06, 8 months later we had 40,000 reps. As of the end of September 06, we have 50,000 reps. This company is growing exponentially. So the answer to your question how has WV only been in business 10 months and has over 20,000 reps. I couldn't care less, but one thing I know is for sure, it's easy to see which company was front loaded and it wasn't YTB. YTB is built on a solid foundation which although didn't start out fast (front loaded), the foundation was laid solid and right. That's why we slowly became the giant we are. We have been making continual giant improvements in our travel and marketing companies all along the way. YTB's foundation is so ready and able to withstand the explosive growth we are now seeing take place. I wouldn't can count on WV's fast start as an indication it will continue, but only time will tell.

And now for your whopping Spin #4 all in one day's work. I tell you, you are good at wildly spinning the facts about YTB. Pimping is a trade I have never been involved in. YTB is famous for staying on track of being a travel agency business. We have dozens of world class travel vendors right on our booking site. It's very impressive to most everyone, but the people who don't have them on their site like you call it pimping. These vendors are on our site because we book a lot of travel with them and it's profitable for their companies to do business with YTB. I call that legit not pimping. We have 55,000 hotels from Hotels.com. We have 55,000 hotels from Travelocity's World Choice hotels. So you can search 200 sites, we have what we need all on our site.

[jaguar1974]

Hey, Hey, Hey,

I have no problems with YTB and joined today for the tax write-offs and to give it a shot, but I do not invest in penny stocks (Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board - OTCBB). This is not the NASDAQ or DOW or the S&P500 it is OTCBB which is very speculative. This company does not have enough history and has tons of competition. NO, do not invest, but a very and I mean very small portion of your portfolio in this stock. I mean money you can afford to lose. It is always best not to invest in the stock in the company you work for and if you do not much.

Please listen to me and sell the heck out of YTB, but I have been pretty successful at investing in equities (Stocks and especially Bonds) not a pro and I do not make recommendations, but invest in this company only if you have gone over the quarterly and Annually reports and understand what you are investing in. This stock does not even have a running message board in Yahoo, very speculative.

Same also goes for the free medical they say you get at a certain point. I would not rely on that to take me through retirement.

Finally, I hope the stock goes through the roof, but please get your retirement money out of this today. If you loss that $0.60 per share let it go and just learn from your mistake.

Email me and I will advise you to some extent.

[kdh344]

im considering joining ytb. a friend of mine (who joined ONLY for travel perks and has money to begin with) said he would pay my $499 and recruit my 6 people for me (as i hate feeling like a used car salesman). he has been a memeber for 4 months but only now has decided to 'work' it (recruit rta's?) b/c he sees the income potential. my concerns and questions:

1) is there any reason i shouldnt join, especially if im not a 'hardseller' and have no plans to actively 'recruit' other rta's?

2) if he recruits 6 rta's for me and they somehow become non-active or get out (assuming they can "get out"), how am i stuck? or am i?

3) if i have no plans to recruit, is this a valuable bizness to join simply for thr travel perks?

4) whats all this talk about magazines? the reason i was interested in ytb was there was no tangible product.

5) ive gotten burned before by mlm/pyramyd, network marketing "companies"..i am very skeptical

6) i do not care about becoming a millionaire only being (more) comfortable. if i dont become 'more comfortabe', thats ok. im not starving now.

7) any and all input is welcome. pro's and cons.

8) thanks in advance

[Are_You_Serious]

If he is going to pay it for you - join!

Your other questions:

1) is there any reason i shouldnt join, especially if im not a 'hardseller' and have no plans to actively 'recruit' other rta's?

YES - there are other ways to get a "travel business" for tax purposes. You don't need one that costs this much. Google "home based travel business" - find one that has free setup ( there are two) and no monthly fees (the same two). Only join YTB if you recruit a bunch of people.


2) if he recruits 6 rta's for me and they somehow become non-active or get out (assuming they can "get out"), how am i stuck? or am i?

Stuck? You would have to pay the $49.95 each month and any other fees. That's why finding one with no fees is better. BUT - if he is recruiting and PAYING your fees - let him. Tell him I'll let him recruit my 6 people too!

3) if i have no plans to recruit, is this a valuable bizness to join simply for the travel perks?

NO ! Over priced.

4) whats all this talk about magazines? the reason i was interested in ytb was there was no tangible product.

Gimmick. Unless your friend is going to pay for these too - lol !

5) ive gotten burned before by mlm/pyramyd, network marketing "companies"..i am very skeptical

As you should be! Go with your instincts . . .

6) i do not care about becoming a millionaire only being (more) comfortable. if i dont become 'more comfortabe', thats ok. im not starving now.

That's good!

Good luck to you - you'll need it . . .

[mj363]

Originally Posted by MattG1981

YTB is absolutely the real deal. I purchased my own Travel Business for $350 plus a $49.95 a month website cost. Well after you sign up 6 people under you your website is free for the rest of your life as long as you keep at least 6 active people under you. This is an awesome price when you consider the cost of buying a travel agency franchise is roughly around $25,000 and an extra 8 to 12 thousand if you want to book cruises as well. I'm making an awesome income and am expecting over $32,000 in revenue this month alone. Talk to me if you have any questions at all. Check out my website and you can read about YTB. If you're skeptical do a Dunn and Bradstreet report which gives you all the information on any actual working business. NOT SCAMS but true businesses. You can also contact the better business bureau of Greater St. Louis and they'll tell you nothing but positive things about YTB. YTB is the world's fastest growing travel agency. Here's the way I look at things. I made a $400 investment at a possibilty to live my life the way I wanted instead of making someone else rich while working a 40 hour work week. If it worked out it was money well spent. If not then at least I gave it a try. I took a chance. Unfortunately my brother had an opportunity like this several years ago. A stock broker friend of his informed him that he needed to buy stock in an at the time small computer company for $10 per share. My brother owning his own computer business decided against it. The $10 stock shortly thereafter grew to $60 per share and then split. It went back down to 10 and then grew again to 60. It split again going back down to 10 and then grew to $60 per share again. It split one more time and going from 10 to 60 again. Had my brother bought just $1000 worth of shares at $10 per share he would have made roughly $360,000 of of a small investment. He's kicking himself now. When I presented him with YTB he jumped at the opportunity and is making great money with it and will continue making more and more with it. Any questions contact me. Check out my website http://www.travelsureinternational.com Check out some of the info on the page about YTB. If you're interested in joining then send me an e-mail at info@travelsureinternational and I'll get back in touch with you to tell you how. I hope this helps.

Matt

Go to
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/finance.jsp?symbol=YTBL
Click on SEC filings.
Look for YTB INTERNATIONAL, INC. 0000852766 10KSB/A 4/14/2005 12/31/2004

"Commission rates paid by travel suppliers have been approximately 10% for hotel reservations, 5-10% for car rentals, and 10-15% for cruises and vacation packages. Airline tickets are a non-commissionable item and revenues are earned from service fees, which range from $4 to $15 per ticket. "

Thats a few years old - and we have all heard you companies are lowering their comissions.

For 2004 their top 7 executives made over $600,000 on Gross sales of 3.9 million. Before giving any comissions, paying for the travel, or paying any other expense... The execs get about 18% of all sales...And that doesn't include their hundreds of thousands of share....

Oh and all the floated stock together is worth about $50 million.and the execs own most of it...

So anyway - according to SEC filings, comissions paid are about 5-15% of travel... You claim you are making 32k this month... thats an annual rate of of 384,000/year...

Guess what...2 years ago they were hosting 8,750 web sites and paid out and paid out 1.66 million in comissions.... Or an average of around $190 per Web site.

THESE ARE THE NUMBERS FROM THEIR OWN SEC FILINGS- GO TAKE A LOOK.

Lets see two years ago they paid out an average of $190 per web site. But someone comes in here saying he makes an annual rate of $384,000/year.

SURRRRRE we believe you....

Oh and if they still pay out 5-15% comissions. That means you got all of the comisisons for between $2,560,000 and $7,680,000 worth of travel...

Oh but wait you group in the fees you get from all the people under you....

So how much travel did you actually sell this year? And how many people did you sign up.

Go look at their SEC filings, all the numbers are there... Of course they are slightly outdated because YTB stopped publishing these numbers...Gee I wonder why they wanted to hide these...

[kdh344]

are you serious....thank you!!

[kdh344]

ps- are you serious, i googled "home based travel business" and it came up with hometravelagency.com but you needto buy the book to get the "meat and potatoes"...everyone is looking to make a buck huh?

[mj363]

All you need to know is that based on the 2004 annual report - they paid out less than $200 comissions per web site they hosted...

First years fees ~$1,000......You do the math.

Those are the numbers that YTB reported to the SEC...

[kdh344]

Originally Posted by mj363

All you need to know is that based on the 2004 annual report - they paid out less than $200 comissions per web site they hosted...

First years fees ~$1,000......You do the math.

Those are the numbers that YTB reported to the SEC...

mj, where is that info?

[mj363]

Originally Posted by kdh344

are you serious....thank you!!

Yup dead serious... If you are getting a comission check for 32k, and your comission rate is 5-15% - you must have booked between $213,000.00 and $640,000.00 worth of hotels rooms and cruises for the month....There is no comission on airfare.


Thats a lot of hotel rooms..... Did you book a 500 person convention? at $200/night for 5 days?

Maybe you booked 75 people on a 1 week cruises at 7,000 each?

Oh wait thats right - just think its easy to make a 32,000 - all you need to do is personally book a 500 person convention.

[Odear]

Not everyone can (or even wants to) recruit people to join their teams. When I was with YTB, not one person I knew was the least bit interested in joining a pyramid OR booking with my site because they got better deals elsewhere. And, even though I hated having to do it, I did try hard to recruit. It is hard to believe that the only internet travel businesses are the MLMs. But, given how precarious doing business on the internet is, maybe it is true. That's fine for people who like to do that and are good at doing it. But, it's not for everyone.
Just my two cents.

[mj363]

Originally Posted by kdh344

mj, where is that info?

Which info?

The costs were from a number of places that all seem to say about $1,000 for the first year...

Here is one of the users on this board that is Pro YTB:
http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=282267&postcount=286

The Numbers on annual commissions come from the SEC filings... Go to PinkSheets.com and look up the stock and go to the Annual Report from 2004.

Oh and 2004 was the last year they published an annual report. I guess it is easier to sell memberships when they hide their numbers.

[traveldude]

I don't know why I even signed up on this Sorry, Unclean and Uninformed lot of serious downers!

Samsil and gang you can have this place! I thought it was somewhere where a person could find out FACT! Not Here BOZO!~

Try just getting a trip somewhere and chilling out. Enjoy your jobs, i know most of you hav one, because you could not own your own business of selling toothpicks or rocks. (Whoops, Rocks could become a pyramid)!

Adios Amigos!

[Mining4Truth]

Originally Posted by UtopiaTravel

Have to agree with Just_Curious on this one. I too am with World Ventures and have been VERY pleased thus far.

Where YTB costs $350 plus $49.95 per month, you can get into World Ventures for $250 and $19.95 per month...plus you only need to get TWO people with WV instead of SIX YTB requires.

My own personal Testimonial is this:

Wife and I went to Las Vegas for the NASCAR race. We checked online and the lowest price available was $576 round trip for two. I then told them I was in the travel industry and gave them my IATAN number that I have with WV and the flight went from $576 to just $35+tax each way(direct flights) per person. I saved way more than the cost of joining WV because I was able to use my Referring Travel Agent credentials that I recceived through WV.

I have been looking at YTB. I need to set up travel to Florida for Christmas. Put your integrity on the line and let's see what deal would I get if I were you.

Originally Posted by Mining4Truth

I have been looking at YTB. I need to set up travel to Florida for Christmas. Put your integrity on the line and let's see what deal would I get if I were you.

Tom;

I think you might be hard pressed to find any type of reduced rate in Florida around the Christmas Season. I checked several sites available to Industry Travel Agents and didn’t find any offered. These rates should be available at this time, FAM's like these are usually posted 60 days out. I need to point out that these sites are available to all Travel Agents, not just those involved in Network Marketing.

The reduced rates are based on availability and are offered as a “courtesy” to Travel Agents. It really doesn't matter what type of Credentials you have, World Ventures, YTB, CLIA or IATAN. If a property is booked with full paying customers, why would they kick someone out just to put someone like you or me with credentials in for half price? It's just not smart business.

How about this…

Book this trip off your own web site, earn a commission, and write the entire trip off on your taxes come April. That’s the type of deal I would do, and I’d still save plenty.

Originally Posted by Odear

Not everyone can (or even wants to) recruit people to join their teams. When I was with YTB, not one person I knew was the least bit interested in joining a pyramid OR booking with my site because they got better deals elsewhere. And, even though I hated having to do it, I did try hard to recruit. It is hard to believe that the only internet travel businesses are the MLMs. But, given how precarious doing business on the internet is, maybe it is true. That's fine for people who like to do that and are good at doing it. But, it's not for everyone.
Just my two cents.

Odear,

I just saw two advertisements for both American Express, and Cruise One that you could sign up with that are not MLM.

The only problems I see with those two are that instead of $449 to get started it costs around $9,000, and instead of 60% commission you only get 50%. Cruise One is just that Cruises and nothing else.

I know a number of people with our company who hate recruiting like you do. That's why the business is set up the way it is. You don't HAVE to recruit a single soul if you don't want to. I have two girls working on a group cruise right now who haven’t recruited a soul, but they had a family reunion fall into their lap. Since I helped them set it up, I know they will get $5779 in commission from this ONE booking.

I know that contradicts all the rhetoric spewed on this board, with this crap using two year old numbers. Blah Blah Blah.

We've won several awards from Carnival, Holland America, and Apple Vacations for travel bookings since those old numbers were released. We also attracted a large vendor like Worldchoice this summer who outbid Priceline as our major vendor. I think they might have a better idea of what our numbers REALLY are. If Priceline and Worldchoice get into a bidding war to win our business, I don't need SEC filings to tell me we're blowing the doors off Travel Bookings.

Worldchoice is the same company who supplies Travelocity with airfare and hotels. You're customers would find the same price for the same seat on the airplane, and the same room in the hotel, with the same 110% Guarantee. They won’t find a better price within 24 hours, or they are refunded 110% of the difference.

Now why would I mention that? I want you to keep your eyes and ears open for someone, anyone who might want a cruise or an all-inclusive vacation. If that happens, please tell them that you are a Travel Agent and you can help them. Then you contact me, I will help find the best deal either from our web site or directly with the vendor. We can get you started again, simply by activating your old booking engine, and have YOU book it to make some money. (Your $449 was a ONE TIME FEE and you won’t have to pay that again to get started. Only the $49.95 monthly licensing fee.)

It’s really that simple. I like you, and I sincerely want to help you. You have a good heart and it would be my way of thanking you for how sweat you’ve been to me on this board. Good things happen to good people, so simply be on the lookout for someone who needs a vacation, that’s all you have to do. Put it on the “front burner” so to speak and actually believe you will find someone who wants a cruise or all-inclusive vacation. That ONE booking could get all the money you spent into YTB back.

So “intend it” and tell me when you do…okay? ;)