Ignite ******

[scam2005-TX]

Has anyone been involved in this MLM? ****** deregulation. Says it's cheaper than all other ****** carriers.

http://www.igniteinc.com/

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by scam2005-TX

Has anyone been involved in this MLM? ****** deregulation. Says it's cheaper than all other ****** carriers.

http://www.igniteinc.com/

The company "piggybacks" off the larger electric providers and will be subject to the whims of those they "piggyback" off of.

It might be cheaper now, but it could just as easily get cut off down the road leaving you without any *****.

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[Terry Granger]

:confused: :confused:

Originally Posted by scam2005-TX

Has anyone been involved in this MLM? ****** deregulation. Says it's cheaper than all other ****** carriers.

http://www.igniteinc.com/

[Kilaki23]

First of all there is no "piggy backing" at all. Obviously you are very UNeducated about electicity and how it works. Ignite is not the ****** provider, Stream gas and electric is. They are not involved with TXU or Reliant, but are their own Company. You can research deregulation at www.*****tochoose.org They are the cheapest because it is a new company and they came in under the price to beat. Your service can never be cut off unless you don't pay your bill because of a company called ERCOT. The Electric Retail council of texas. Ignite is no scam, but a success!

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Kilaki23

First of all there is no "piggy backing" at all. Obviously you are very UNeducated about electicity and how it works. Ignite is not the ****** provider, Stream gas and electric is. They are not involved with TXU or Reliant, but are their own Company. You can research deregulation at www.*****tochoose.org They are the cheapest because it is a new company and they came in under the price to beat. Your service can never be cut off unless you don't pay your bill because of a company called ERCOT. The Electric Retail council of texas. Ignite is no scam, but a success!

Perhaps in some ways you are right. I might be uneducated in how it is working right now in Texas, though I live here and use Reliant, however, my husband is an Electric Lineman working in California. These little companies do not create their own supply, they must buy what they sell from larger companies. And when the big company says restrict the supply, it's restricted.

Namaste'

[Kilaki23]

The people who buy electricity from the "larger" companies are called aggregators. Ignite wanted to become an REP (retail electric provider) instead of an aggregator. The reason for this is because if the larger company goes down it would take ignite with them...since we are an REP we determine our own success. I was a user or Reliant unitl I became an IA with Ignite. We are cheaper than the encombants in the different areas. If you would like to see how the company works you can visit www.fisher******group.com Another site to visit is www.*****tochoose.org That is a site that teaches all there is to know about deregulation. You say your husband is a line man... In TX we have TXU deliver... they are different from TXU ******...TXU Delivery are the ones that work on the lines and do all the repair work for all the companies..reliant,stream, green mountain,direct ******,txu, etc. There are many states that are not deregulated, and I am not sure if Cali is. you might want to read up on it? I have done a lot of MLM's and so far I have recieved more money with this one than any other. but then again I am educated on the subject of electricity. This company will not fail. We already have a HUGE amount of customers and will be going to new states soon. If you are worried about doing it you are missing out on some serious money! What do you have to lose? :)

[texasnetwork]

I visited the ***** to Choose web site and Ingite ****** isnt even listed as a "REP" Click here to view the list. Why is this? I am personally looking into the company because I have a friend shoving it in my face everytime I see him. :eek:

[Notright]

Read the Ignite Policies and Proceedures (Distributor Contract). This contract is the worst in the MLM Industry. It you sign up a distributor or customer you do don't have any claim to the sign up. It means they can ditch the Distributor (you) and take all your accounts without you the Distributor any recourse. Run from this Company and Stream it's unlisted parent (see above)

Not Right :( :mad: :mad:

[christiedee]

In the first place Ignite is a marketing arm for Stream ******. Stream ****** is listed with the public utility commition as a Retail Electric Provider. To see proof go to www.puc.state.tx.us click on electric, click on Retail Electric Provider, Scroll down the page and you will see that they are listed. Note: *****tochoose.com is used as a marketing tool for REPs in the state of TX. Stream is not listed on *****tochoose.com because you can click on any provider there and become a customer. With Stream you would need to go through an associate’s web site or fill out a form in order to become a customer. That way the customer would be listed under that Associate.
It does help to be educated about what an REP is and how they function in the field of Electricity. Electricity is sold into the grids and the REPs purchases there electric out of the grids. Aggregators “Co-Ops” and Municipalities “such as in Denton, Weatherford, and Granbury” purchase their electricity from an REP. The lines, the repair and the meter readings are controlled by ERCOT. ERCOT can be looked up on line and there you will find a description of their part of the process in electricity in Texas. After checking all of that out you will know that the electricity that comes to your house or business does not change, meter reading does not change, repair company does not change, and all of that is state controlled. The repair company does not even know who you pay your bill to nor do they care. You will see all that changes is who can send a bill and the price they charge.
Now, I ask you why you would want to pay TXU or any other REP more money than you have to when you can get Electricity at a discount price. Why let the CEO’s make more money when you could get paid when you turn on the lights. Do your research and then go to www.rayandchris.info and see what you are missing.

[Justaman]

Why would a company that has a better price on something as in demand as electricity chose to do it through an MLM system rather that selling the product direct? What is the benefit? Why would you want to associate your sure fire success with a politically correct way of saying Pyramid SCAM. I'm all for saving money, but I have yet to meet a person associated with Ignite that does anything more than repeat the tag lines from the website. If someone could shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

[DereGuru]

Stream does sell their product direct. Direct marketing results in a significant portion of their new enrollments. The MLM side is simply a way to market their product in a highly efficient manner. The MLM aspect has made Stream the fastest growing REP in Texas at this point. I'm not an ignite rep and have not participated in an MLM for several years, but it's my understanding that a pyramid scheme is a MLM with no product. Ignite's product is electricity. Just FYI.

[sdbeck91]

I'll be happy to reply on the question regarding why use MLM if they have a product that is cheaper. Actually, it's probably more the other way around... they can offer the product at a lower price because the use MLM as the distribution Channel.

The problem with a deregulated utility like electricity, or phone service, or any other type of service where it is difficult or impossible to differentiate yourself from the competition, is that... well... it's impossible to differentiate yourself from the competition. Think about it.. now that there are several companies trying to get you to switch to their service... how do they make their case? It's just like Long Distance in the late 80's and early 90's. The service itself is pretty much identical... nothing changes. The only thing to compete on is price, and how much you can spend on advertising... and these guys are going to have to spend tons of money on advertising to get anyone to switch over.

However, with the MLM model, you've got the warm market, relationship sale. For instance, my mom would NEVER switch from AEP. Just because they don't like to change things... They've been with CPL or AEP forever. Even if they are more expensive. NO amount of advertising from reliant or any other company would have any effect. But if I am a part time rep for stream ******.. I can have my mom switch... it's not difficult. I just say "hey, I'm a part time rep for this company... they provide an alternative to the bigger companies that is a little cheaper... nothing will change, the electricity will still work the same, the REGULATED part of AEP will still be out fixing the lines if a storm hits, but you can choose to purchase the ***** any DEREGULATED provider.. in this case me, and help me out. "

The rep based model can give STream customers that they would NEVER get with TV ads, and our customers save a little money. Win, win, win.

And.. in general, our customer acquisition costs are lower than with traditional multimedia advertsing.. so STream's overhead costs will be lower, and that further allows them to stay competitive on rates...

I hope that makes sense.

[TennisBar]

This company's top executives are all from Excel Communications. And they use this as part of their sales pitch. Yes Excell was a multimillion dollor company that went public on the NYSE.. But MLM scams only make a few people rich..
Excel Telecommuncations has been the sued by a few Attorny Generals as well as fought many law suits..
Excel has a horrible record with the Dallas Better Business Bureau. See www.dallas.bbb.org
Excel was purchased by Vartec Telecom in 2003 and Vartec later got REVOLKED from the BBB because of this.
Vartec has filed for bankruptcy in 2004..

See the BBB advice regarding Multilevel Marketing
Excel Telcommunications has over 500 complaints in the last 3 years.
Vartec over 900 complaints..

[TennisBar]

[quote=TennisBar]This company's top executives are all from Excel Communications. And they use this as part of their sales pitch. Yes Excell was a multimillion dollor company that went public on the NYSE.. But MLM scams only make a few people rich..
Excel Telecommuncations has been the sued by a few Attorny Generals as well as fought many law suits..
Excel has a horrible record with the Dallas Better Business Bureau. See www.dallas.bbb.org
Excel was purchased by Vartec Telecom in 2003 and Vartec later got REVOLKED from the BBB because of this.
Vartec has filed for bankruptcy in 2004..

See the BBB advice regarding Multilevel Marketing
Excel Telcommunications has over 500 complaints in the last 3 years.
Vartec over 900 complaints..

Check out Ignite's contracts and you will see that there are many things that would result in "non-payment" to the "sales associates"..

[TennisBar]

If someone tells you they are getting rich off of this then ask to see their bank statements..
MLM prey on poor people with out jobs and gives them false hope of getting rich..

Don't get me wrong there are some MLM that are legit... Mary Kay, Arbonne, and Pre-Paid legal..

But read Ignite's contracts and compare it to the Legit ones.. Ignite's is the worst and their are all sorts of loop holes that allow them not to pay out commissions..

It floors me that people would actually pay over $300 to get involved with this and it would actually take over 30 days atleast to get your $300 bucks back..

Nobody would actually go into a job interview and take that job if they told you, you would actually be working for free for the first month...

The sales people selling this stuff HAVE NOT done their homework on this company.. And the company does not tell everyone the TRUTH about Excel or their numerous lawsuits as being the REAL reason they sold the company..

They sold this company and left thousands of people who were stupid enough to pay to buy into this company out on the streets with out re******* anyone a dime..

[sdbeck91]

I would suggest that you stick to running the forum and stop posting irrelevant, misleading information on topics you know nothing about.

First of all, you keep bringing up Excel and Vartec... as if that is relevant.

The person who started and owns this company (Stream) has nothing to do with Excel. He wanted to bring in some folks who knew how to structure the MLM marketing side, so he brought in Chris, and of course he selected some of the folks from his previous team... but understand, Chris and the rest of the folks on that team pre-date VARTEC and their acquisition of EXcel, and all the BS that followed in the last 3 years of Excel's existance. I was an Excel rep in the 90's, and for the vast majority of Excel's span, they were a fine company. I made hundreds of thousands of dollars myself... but the combination of a brutal telecom market (Worldcom, unfavorable rulings for local, etc) and mismanagement by the VARTEC Executive team (Joe Mitchell, et al), brought excel down. The bad apples that brought Excel down were the clowns at Vartec (and Teleglobe, and BCE before that.) But in any case, Chris D is a standup guy, as are the rest of the team that he has put together. I was in Excel. I got screwed at the end too by the wankers at Vartec, but I still know that there were a lot of good reps, and a lot of good folks at Corporate from the "old days" that were doing the best they could.

2nd.. if you would care to check your facts.. this is the real deal. They've already broken every record for a Retail Electric Provider in the state of Texas. They have nearly 30,000 customers since they started signing folks up in march. Their rates beat almost every other competitor, and the customers are happy. This is not just marketing shell company STream/Ignite is a CREP. Licensed Public Utility. Go to http://www.stream******.net/ and just look around. It's the real deal.

Your comment comparing the business to a job is stupid. "Nobody would actually go into a job interview and take that job if they told you, you would actually be working for free for the first month... " It's a business.... for heaven's sake, right now, you sign up for $329, if you sign up your first 10 accounts, they give you $300 back. Most businesses you have to work for YEARS before you make your investment back. This is a BUSINESS, not a JOB.

Yes.. there are a lot of silly scams out there that prey on people who don't know any better. Probably 95% of the MLM deals I see are junk. Do your research. The comp plan this company has is phenomenal, and very generous. They are providing REAL value in a competive market. That's the real test in my book for an MLM. Most of the time they are selling some overpriced vitamins or makeup or something that you can cheaper somewhere else, or magnets, or some other silly BS. This is as clean and clear as you can get... Electric ***** is one of the most highly competitive markets out there... and Stream/Ignite offers our customers rates on their ***** 10%-20% less than the going rate from TXU, Reliant, AEP, and other dominant providers. You can't just ignore that fact. Other providers are at 11 and 12 cents per KWhr, and Stream is around 10 in most markets. This isn't magic vitamin ***** for $25.00 a bottle... it's a regulated, public utility in a highly scrutinized (PUC) market, that is beating the crap out of the competition.

Check back in about 3 months and see what's going on.

[Notright]

Scam Warning From Above

Read the Ignite Policies and Proceedures (Distributor Contract). This contract is the worst in the MLM Industry & Should put Ignite in the Scam Zone.

Signing up as distributor you do don't have any claim to the sign up's (either customer or distrbutor). The Ignite Contract say's that an MLM member has no right or claim to any money generated by electrical customers. It is a pure contract of greed It means they can ditch the Distributor (you) and take all your accounts without you the Distributor any recourse. The trouble is most Distributors never read a contract (Policies and Proceedures) when they join. They don't know the company has set itself up to steal all their hard work and they can't say boo in a court of law. Run from this Company and Stream it's unlisted parent (see above)

Not Right :mad: :mad:

[Notright]

To CREP Member Above

You said, This is not just marketing shell company STream/Ignite is a CREP

You forgot and left out the other E in CREP above ... Yes they are CREEPS

And yes just like other MLM companies that dumped their Distriutor Ignite is able to sell lower BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DITCH YOU down the road. Just read your contract with them. Very Very Clear!

Anyone still in Ignite after reading this and their Ingnite Distributor contract is surely drinking GRAPE KOOLAID

[Shock]

Originally Posted by Notright

To CREP Member Above

You said, This is not just marketing shell company STream/Ignite is a CREP

You forgot and left out the other E in CREP above ... Yes they are CREEPS

And yes just like other MLM companies that dumped their Distriutor Ignite is able to sell lower BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DITCH YOU down the road. Just read your contract with them. Very Very Clear!

Anyone still in Ignite after reading this and their Ingnite Distributor contract is surely drinking GRAPE KOOLAID

It sounds to me like you are just trying to spread a lot of bad publicity through your own propaganda filled rantings.

However, let's look at the point you've focused on. If someone makes $50,000 or $100,000 or more a year with Ignite and Stream ****** and then sometime down the road they DO ditch the representative then exactly who is getting hurt? Unless you're a total idiot spendthrift, you're going to be saving some of that money and that's the way owning your own business goes. If it fails, you either quit or try again and you have a backup nestegg. Your point as well as your rant is rather mute when you think about it. /shrug :cool:

By the way, why are you so personally obsessed with doing this company in? Is it because they have a good niche product and market and are invading your space? Do you work for TXU or Reliant? You only have 3 posts here and all of them are only in regard to Ignite and nothing else.

[TennisBar]

SDBECK-- Looks like he works for Ignite/Stream ******..

I do not work for any company that has anything todo with an ****** provider.. I just have several friends that have gotten sucked into this and I have done my home work on this company..

I also have some connections that can get me some of the "inside scoup" on things..

I know for a FACT that some of the local news stations will soon be airing and are currently working on a bit about Ignite ****** and their sales tactics.. I would love to see them take a undercover camera into one of these sales meetings to expose the BS that goes on in there..

I have my MBA in Business and consider myself a pretty inteligent person and I am capable of getting hardcore FACTS about scams and companys..

[Shock]

Originally Posted by TennisBar

SDBECK-- Looks like he works for Ignite/Stream ******..

I do not work for any company that has anything todo with an ****** provider.. I just have several friends that have gotten sucked into this and I have done my home work on this company..

I also have some connections that can get me some of the "inside scoup" on things..

I know for a FACT that some of the local news stations will soon be airing and are currently working on a bit about Ignite ****** and their sales tactics.. I would love to see them take a undercover camera into one of these sales meetings to expose the BS that goes on in there..

I have my MBA in Business and consider myself a pretty inteligent person and I am capable of getting hardcore FACTS about scams and companys..

If anyone is full of BS, it seems to be you. Anyone with an MBA which requires 6 years of college would know how to spell common words properly. You are just another propagandist. Based on what you wrote above, I would believe someone from Ignite ****** before I believed you.

(it's "an undercover" camera...not "a undercover") Do they not teach grammar in college? In fact, you should have learned that in junior high and high school. Stop lying.

[TennisBar]

Good Reply?. Have fun making someone else rich.. You will see MLM come and go..

I am not trying to make this personal.. Just don't like to see people getting taken advantage of...

What is amazing to me is that there never seems to be a shortage of people stupid enough or desperate enough for work to fall for this crap.. I guess thats what keeps MLM alive..

Hell, I wish I could switch my ****** company.. I am stuck with a Co-Op that has some sort of deal with my neighborhood association..

I challenge you to look up Excel Telcom in Google and type in Excel, Scam and see what pop's up..

What do you have to say in regards to Excel getting sued by Attorney General's.. I suppose they are all propagandist too, huh?

Watch out for those Attorney General's they are out to scew the public..?? ha ha ha.. GIVE ME A BREAK..!

There are 4 or 5 executives with Stream and Ignite that are also tied to Excel.. Not a good connection if you ask me..

[ignited]

Tennisbar- what exactly is your problem? Ignite saves customers 10%+ on their electricity through Stream ******, a licensed REP, and the Associates get paid every month when the customers pay their bills. Instead of wasting money on advertising Ignite pays its Associates to refer customers. I know you're the friggin MBA but maybe the reason it's working so good is that it's so simple and you're just too smart to get it.

In addition,

1) Please name the state and provide the documention because no AG ever sued Excel.

2) Excel was in business for 17 years and helped tens of thousands of average folks make ends meet. Excel crashed because their parent company, VarTec, died with the dial-around business and pulled Excel down with it.

3) I heard of a few non-network marketing companies that went out of business last year. Does that mean we should all quit our jobs? There are many great network marketing companies like Mary Kay, Avon and Shaklee and there are many stinkers.

4) You couldn't hold a candle to the integrity of the Ignite management team with Excel ties.

Good luck at whatever you do, but I suggest you know what you're talking about before you comment next time.

Ignited

[sdbeck91]

There's no sense in arguing with a fool. Like the old saying goes... Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

The best thing will be simply to return periodically with more records broken, states opening, #'s of customers, etc.

I think it's humorous that someone would actually think that the PUC of the state would grant a Utility License to a company that this brain surgeon keeps claiming is a scam. Yeah... all the lawyers and regulators scoured over the company and approved things...ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) is switching over thousands of customers a month to Stream/Ignite, and you have discovered what they, and thousands of reps, and 10s of thousands of customers have overlooked. Damn... alert the media. :)

[Notright]

Nobody that is Hyping Ignite On This Forum Addressed the Fact They Could Be On The Street Next Week With Empty Pockets.

Ignite Distributors BEWARE - YOU ARE SET UP TO BE RIPPED OFF

Read the contract that you signed when you joined ignite!

Scam Warning From Above

Read the Ignite Policies and Proceedures (Distributor Contract). This contract is the worst in the MLM Industry & Should put Ignite in the Scam Zone.

Signing up as distributor you do don't have any claim to the sign up's (either customer or distrbutor). The Ignite Contract say's that an MLM member has no right or claim to any money generated by electrical customers. It is a pure contract of greed It means they can ditch the Distributor (you) and take all your accounts without you the Distributor any recourse. The trouble is most Distributors never read a contract (Policies and Proceedures) when they join. They don't know the company has set itself up to steal all their hard work and they can't say boo in a court of law. Run from this Company and Stream it's unlisted parent (see above)

Not Right
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[Oshow23]

You are exactly right. We do NOT have any claims to the money generated by our customers. We get paid a SET amount per customer depending on what level the customer is on in relation to you.

[Shock]

Originally Posted by TennisBar

Good Reply?. Have fun making someone else rich.. You will see MLM come and go..

I am not trying to make this personal.. Just don't like to see people getting taken advantage of...

What is amazing to me is that there never seems to be a shortage of people stupid enough or desperate enough for work to fall for this crap.. I guess thats what keeps MLM alive..

Hell, I wish I could switch my ****** company.. I am stuck with a Co-Op that has some sort of deal with my neighborhood association..

I challenge you to look up Excel Telcom in Google and type in Excel, Scam and see what pop's up..

What do you have to say in regards to Excel getting sued by Attorney General's.. I suppose they are all propagandist too, huh?

Watch out for those Attorney General's they are out to scew the public..?? ha ha ha.. GIVE ME A BREAK..!

There are 4 or 5 executives with Stream and Ignite that are also tied to Excel.. Not a good connection if you ask me..

Look...you are hellbent on trashing MLM and Network Marketing. It doesn't matter what the company is. Your rant and reply would be the same.

This company sells electricity...not soap, phone cards, health products, useless crap...but electricity at a 10% discount. What's the big deal with that? Man, you need some therapy if you just visit this place to go off in every thread. Both you and NotRight need to get a real life.

[TennisBar]

Not at all. Pre-paid Legal , Mary Kay are legitimate MLM with legitimate contracts.. Ignite has one of the worst contracts in the business.. Yes, the product itself is not the problem. Its ruining the people's lifes that have a false hope of gaining employment and turning it into to a legitimate business..

[TennisBar]

Proof # 1 regarding Attorney General Lawsuit againts EXCEL


May 23, 2000

Attorney General Hardy Myers today announced that two long distance providers that made unauthorized service changes and added false charges to telephone bills will eliminate the fraudulent business practices in Oregon. Named in Assurances of Voluntary Compliance filed today in Marion County Circuit Court are Excel Communications, Inc. of Dallas, Texas and Tradex International, Inc. of Seattle, Washington.

"We continue to pursue companies that ignore laws prohibiting slamming and cramming," Myers said. "Complaints about slamming have decreased in recent years, but cramming remains Oregon's most common consumer complaint." Slamming is the practice of changing a customer's long-distance service without his or her authorization and cramming is the practice of placing unauthorized service charges on phone bills.

[TennisBar]

Proof # 2 again diffrent state!

EXCEL ACCUSED OF SLAMMING
Carson City, NV, June 2, 1999 (DLD Digest) - Attorney General Frankie Sue Del Papa's office has filed a civil complaint in Washoe County District Court against Dallas, Texas-based Excel Telecommunications, Inc. for allegedly engaging in "slamming," in which a consumer's long distance telephone company is switched without authorization. Excel is a long distance telephone service provider.

The Attorney General's office has received numerous slamming complaints regarding Excel.

The allegations in the complaint include:

Excel failed to inform consumers that it would be switching the customer's long distance carrier from the consumer's preferred long distance carrier to Excel.


Excel failed to inform local telephone companies that it did not have authorization from the consumer to switch his long distance carrier.


Excel submitted requests to local telephone companies to switch consumers' long distance provider with invalid authorizations.


The complaint seeks an order from the court prohibiting Excel from engaging in such practices, as well as civil penalties provided in the Nevada Deceptive Trade Practices Act. If Excel is proven to have engaged in the alleged deceptive trade practices, the company could be subject to penalties of up to $2,500.00 for each violation.

For more information on how you can help prevent the illegal practices of cramming and/or slamming, check out the Attorney General's website at http://www.state.nv.us/ag/ ; click on "publications," then on "consumer issues," or call the Attorney General's office at (775) 684-1100.

[TennisBar]

Additional Artical: Keep in mind Ignite is operated by many of the same executives as Excel.. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THEM NOT PAYING THEIR INDEPENDENT AGENTS AND THEY GOT COUGHT!!!!!!!!!

Dallas, TX, Oct. 27, 1997 (DLD Digest) -- Excel Communications, Inc. (NYSE:ECI) and three of its former Independent Representatives, including Linden Wood, today announced a settlement of an arbitration proceeding involving disputes between them.

The arbitration proceeding began after Wood and the other former Independent Representatives filed a lawsuit against Excel in Oklahoma state court for $405 million involving, among other things, commissions and bonuses which Excel withheld from the former Independent Representatives. The settlement involves the payment of $1.7 million by Excel to the former Independent Representatives as a negotiated severance package.

[TennisBar]

IGNITED, there is your proof.. I cut and pasted this information from the AG's website... Get your facts straight.. Excel sold out to VAR-TEC and cut out all the independent agents with the merger..

All the Independent agents got left out in the cold..

That is a great example of how MLM come and GO!!!! And all the independent sales associates get SCREWed!

[Shock]

First you talk about Ignite and then you go off on Excel. They are two different companies with two different management teams. You are reaching for one to sling mud on the other. I eat people like you up in court on a regular basis. So, keep talking.

[TennisBar]

Ignited uses this in their sales pitch.. They use the fact that Ignites executives are from Excel and brag about how great Excel is.. I have had two Independent Associates from Ignited tell me this.. Both said the same thing..

Ignite itself uses Excel as an example of how much money the company could bring in...

I just did alittle home work and realized that the two are tied together in many ways besides the fact that many of Ingnites employees are from Excel..

Is the fact that you use the word COURT in your post suppose to scare me or something?

[Shock]

Yes. The company could take legal action and force Scam.com to release any information on you in order to track you down and bring suit. I would be very careful what you say.

What is ‘defamation’?

Defamation, sometimes called "defamation of character", is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's or company's reputation.

If a person or the news media says or writes something about you that is understood to lower your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. Slander and libel are two forms of defamation.

What is your personal issue with Ignite or Excel or whoever anyway? Do you just randomly pick Network Marketing companies to blow a lot of hot air about on a weekly basis? Who will it be next week, Mr. Tennisbar?

[Notright]

Why are you defending a company that plans to Assasinate YOU!

Let's See You are defending Ignite's capability to take all your commissions away tommorrow for any electricity sold by any Ignite Distributor including you....

Did you even read their contract(s) when you signed up? And now knowing that the Ignite Terms of Agreement and Policies and Proceedures are BAD.......They can take all residual commission money from you tommorrow morning........

That means you are running with the front end loaders to live on the sign up commissions because you know the company will jerk any residual income in the next few months? Don't be growling at this board.

GO back and get in the face of Ignite Electricity owners and get that TAKE AWAY clause out of the Distributor contracts ASAP

Not Right :mad: :mad:

[Notright]

In Fact You don't even have the right to Arbitrate like Linden Wood and his group....... you gave your commissions away when you signed Ignite ******'s Contract.

Not Right :mad: :mad:

Dallas, TX, Oct. 27, 1997 (DLD Digest) -- Excel Communications, Inc. (NYSE:ECI) and three of its former Independent Representatives, including Linden Wood, today announced a settlement of an arbitration proceeding involving disputes between them.

The arbitration proceeding began after Wood and the other former Independent Representatives filed a lawsuit against Excel in Oklahoma state court for $405 million involving, among other things, commissions and bonuses which Excel withheld from the former Independent Representatives. The settlement involves the payment of $1.7 million by Excel to the former Independent Representatives as a negotiated severance package.

[Shock]

So what is your personal association with this? Why the interest in Excel or Ignite specifically and why do you dig up old news stories from 1997 that has nothing to do with the company you are trying to discredit?

Were you a previous Excel associate who was unsuccessful at network marketing and now trying to get revenge or are you just trying to save the world one MLM at a time and Ignite is your target of the month? Inquiring minds want to know.

[TennisBar]

Actually, There was a bill passed in the senete this month that makes that againts the law for a company to share a persons personal information.
Scam.com does not have my personal information anyways.. If Ignite wants to hunt me down.. Then go ahead.. There is freedom of speech in America and I have not said one un-true thing..

I don't have any personal ties, never have nor never will with Excel, Var-tec, and Ignite...

[TennisBar]

Notritght, has is facts straight and is correct.. Looks like there are some inteligent people on this post..

Should I cut and paste the wording from Ignite's contract on here to further prove our point???

What does that $350 bucks get the independent associates.. Does it even get you a set of business cards to Network Market with??

None of the Independent Associates have any materials to present to potential clients, that I have noticed..

I see them at Numerious Chamber of Commerce Functions..

[TennisBar]

Shock, Actually you are wrong again.... The News Media is protected from any law suits regarding Slander..Most news media actually work to gain facts to share with the public regarding any scams or anything like that. If they were not they would be sued on an hourly basis by some stupid law suit happy lawyer.. But, thankfully there are laws in place to prevent that from happening..

Also again any company that releases a persons information with out them knowing can face a fine of up to $10,000 per offense.. So Good Luck!!!

[Shock]

If you are willing to bet that you cannot be located by anyone who frequents this site then it will be a bet you will lose. All you see is a bunch of text. You don't see the big picture. I'm just warning you guys in general and you can either take the advice or leave it. /shrug

Neither of you answered my original question. What is your personal vendetta against Ignite? They are a startup company.

I fail to see any reason why Ignite would want to ruin their reputation by acting out on a section of a contract that you find disagreeable. Most people who are involved in network marketing do so on a part time basis. Those who are full time usually make enough money to set aside in a nestegg. Most people who pay their $350 will get their $350 back pretty quick unless they just pay and do nothing. I don't understand who you are trying to save. :cool:

[LittleDigit]

The Ignite website - www.igniteinc.com - lists the corporate officers as Chris Dornhoff, Douglas Witt, Darryl Smith, Paul Thies, and Steve Flores. They all have one thing in common - an employment history serving as corporate officers of Excel Telecommunications, a subsidiary of VarTec. What the bios don't tell you is this:

VarTec and all of its subsidiaries and divisions filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on November 1, 2004. The entire board of directors of VarTec resigned on that date - the BoD being Dornhoff, Witt, Smith, Thies, and Flores.

VarTec used the same Independent Rep contract used by Ignite. No surprise there, Thies is the one who developed the program. Funny thing, the IR contract for VarTec and Excel Reps stipulated that the contracts would be null and void if the company went filed bankruptcy - iow, the Reps would no longer be paid. So, when VarTec filed Chapter 11 they also announced that all IR contracts were terminated immediately.

Two months later, up pops all five men as the corporate officers of Stream Gas & Electric, dba Ignite ******; with the exact same marketing plan as Excel. Who would have bet on that?

[ignited]

TennisBar- I thought your issue with Excel was regarding network marketing? All you did was provide old AG issues about slamming. Since you're an MBA, you know that every Telecom has had problems with slamming and paid fines including ATT and MCI. Slamming in telecom is an everyday issue that doesn't reflect on any company. So what's you point? You were going to provide AG information about Excel's networking activities. WE'RE WAITING. There are no AG problems with Excel's marketing structure.

Linden Wood is a crook. It doesn't mean anything if a crook sues a company. Besides, every company has been sued at one time or an other. Wood sued for $330 million and settled out of court for $1.7 million at a time when he was making $500,000/month. I wouldn't call that a victory.

btw, Excel and Ignite operate under the exact same network marketing structure as Pre-paid Legal and Mary Kay, etc. They all sell their products and services through MLM.

Notright- I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no company, networking marketing or traditional, that it's sales representatives own any rights to the customers that they sell. All you've done is point out what is maybe a general inequity about big business, but it has nothing to do with Ignite's Policies and Procedures or any other networking company. Besides, there are no guarantees at any job or business. You work at the pleasure of the company and you get paid until they go out of business or get sold. The great thing about Ignite is that electricity is the perfect service for creating a residual income. Refer a customer that saves about 10% on their electricity and get paid a commission on their bill every month.

What's the problem here? I've heard nothing of substance.

[Notright]

Tennis Bar I will save you the trouble I AM PRO MLM AND THe CONTRACT(s) ARE THE WORST SCREW JOB.....ever seen turns what might be a legit effort to sell electricity into a scam. They learned well from Excel and how to screw distributors. All Excel history applies they have take the worst from Excel and put it into this company ..... here is the PROOF! The IGNITE CONTRACT!

19. I understand and agree that customers I procure as an Independent Associate on behalf of Ignite are deemed to be customers of Ignite and not of its Independent Associates. I agree, during the term of this Agreement with Ignite and for one year thereafter, [b]I will not offer or sell services that compete with those offered by Ignite and/or its affiliates, or otherwise solicit, divert, take away or interfere with any of the customers, employees, trade or patronage of Ignite or of i[/B]ts parents, subsidiaries, or affiliated companies that offer ****** services. Further, during the term of this Agreement with Ignite and for one year thereafter, I will not, directly or indirectly, on behalf of myself or any other company solicit an Ignite IA to participate in a network marketing program offered by any other company, regardless of whether or not such network marketing company offers ****** services. I understand and agree that violation of this condition will result in forfeiture of my IA rights, including all current and future commissions, bonuses and payments of any kind.

20. I agree to indemnify and hold Ignite, its parents, subsidiaries and affiliated companies, and their respective officers, directors, shareholders and employees, jointly and severally, harmless from and against any and all alleged claims, damages, expenses, fines or penalties, including any attorney�s fees, arising out of my actions or conduct in violation of this Agreement. I agree further that none of the aforementioned entities shall be liable, jointly or severally, to me for: (a) any loss or damage incurred by me arising in connection with the performance of Ignite�s obligations to its customers, including the provision of products or services; (b) economic loss, including without limitation loss of profits, revenues, or anticipated income; (c) loss of goodwill or business opportunity; or (d) for any indirect, special, punitive, incidental or consequential loss or damages, howsoever arising.

[TennisBar]

Here is some text from Ignites commission contract:

Monthly ****** Income Plan
You can build a Monthly ****** Income (MEI) by enrolling and maintaining personal ******
Accounts, as well as from the ****** Accounts of the Independent Associates in your organization
up to unlimited levels. MEI is paid on the 15th of the month following the month payment is
received by Ignite. You must meet one-time and monthly qualification requirements to receive
MEI. MEI qualifications are met one-time by leadership position obtained and monthly by personal
pending or active ****** Accounts on the Qualification Date. The Qualification Date is the last
day of each month. If you do not have the required number of accepted pending or active ******
Accounts for your leadership position on the Qualification Date, then you will not receive MEI the
next month. Unless you were promoted on pre-verified customers and have never reached qualified
status for your position before the Qualification Date, in which case, your MEI will be held until
you are qualified. See Grace Period for details.
Standard MEI
You can earn Standard MEI on your personal active ****** Accounts, as well as from the active
****** Accounts of the Independent Associates in your organization to 5 levels based on your
leadership position. Your Standard MEI can range from $0.25 to $3.00, based on the organization
level. You must be a Qualified Director to be eligible to earn MEI on your personal and first level
and you must obtain a leadership position to be eligible to earn MEI through 5 levels. See The
Monthly ****** Income Plan chart for details.

[TennisBar]

I am going to try to attempt to make sense of this to the best of my ability..


What they are saying is that you most MEET the MEI Qualifications or else you won't get them.. THE MEI Qualifications ARE NOT mentioned in the contract... (hhmmmm... that is funny why would they not mention them..???? )

You can earn .25 - 3.00 per contract based on how many people you sign up..??

Lets do the math on this from my understanding of the cotract.... If you sign up 10 the first month( which would be impressive for an amateur sales person with out proffesional sales training would be great.) of doing this you would ge $200 bonus plus, $2.50 or 30.00 next month from the MEI assuming you meet those Qualifactions that are not mentioned in the contract.. You would get between-$2.50-30.00 the next month after your customers paid their bill.

Reaching a grand total of $230.00 if you meet those qualifactions that are NOT mentioned in the contract.. THAT IS BIG MONEY!!!
You would have to CONTINUE TO sign people up in order to get commission from anyone else you sign up assuming THEY continued to sell..

[TennisBar]

oh i FORGOT THE LEADERSHIP BONUS PLAN..where you can earn some more BIG MONEY... Once again they don't mention what the CERTIAN LEADERSHIP REQUIREMENTS ARE..? (hmmm.. I wonder why..???)

Here is the text from the contract cut and pasted from their contract regarding LEADERSHIP BONUS PLAN--

Leadership Bonus Plan
You can earn Leadership Bonuses to unlimited levels by meeting certain promotion requirements
and reaching any of three leadership positions. At each leadership position, you can begin to
build a new leadership organization and may earn Leadership Bonuses on your new leadership
organization. Leadership Bonuses are paid when a new IA enters your leadership organization on
any level and enrolls two (2) accepted pending or active ****** Accounts within 30 days of his or
her Start Date. IAs who entered your organization before you obtained a leadership position are in
the leadership organization of your Upline who was in the leadership position before you.
You must have 10-20 accepted pending or active ****** Accounts based on your leadership position
on the Qualification Date in order to receive Leadership Bonuses the next month. Leadership
Bonuses are triggered every Friday on accepted pending or active (qualified) ****** Accounts and
paid one week later on the mail date. The Qualification Date is the last day of each month. If you do
not have the required number of accepted pending or active ****** Accounts for your leadership
position on the Qualification Date, then you will not receive Leadership Bonuses the next month.
Unless you were promoted on pre-verified customers and have never reached qualified status for
your position before the Qualification Date, in which case, your MEI will be held until you are
qualified. See Grace Period for details.
5
Senior
Director
Executive
Director
Managing
Director
$50
10 ****** Accounts
+ $25
20 ****** Accounts
+ $75
15 ****** Accounts

[Oshow23]

When you sign up to become an independant associate you get quite a bit of material. You get a folder with a *****point presentation, a website that will track all your information for you (i.e. customers, new associates, your entire downline and their customers, new leads etc...). You also get access to associate support which is a 800 number that is there to answer any questions that an associate may have. Of the MLM programs that I have seen this one gives you the most resources and help of all of them. Im sorry that you are so against Ignite/Stream. For those of us that are in it we all seem to be happy. So why is it that you guys are so upset?

[Shock]

Originally Posted by LittleDigit

The Ignite website - www.igniteinc.com - lists the corporate officers as Chris Dornhoff, Douglas Witt, Darryl Smith, Paul Thies, and Steve Flores. They all have one thing in common - an employment history serving as corporate officers of Excel Telecommunications, a subsidiary of VarTec. What the bios don't tell you is this:

VarTec and all of its subsidiaries and divisions filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on November 1, 2004. The entire board of directors of VarTec resigned on that date - the BoD being Dornhoff, Witt, Smith, Thies, and Flores.

VarTec used the same Independent Rep contract used by Ignite. No surprise there, Thies is the one who developed the program. Funny thing, the IR contract for VarTec and Excel Reps stipulated that the contracts would be null and void if the company went filed bankruptcy - iow, the Reps would no longer be paid. So, when VarTec filed Chapter 11 they also announced that all IR contracts were terminated immediately.

Two months later, up pops all five men as the corporate officers of Stream Gas & Electric, dba Ignite ******; with the exact same marketing plan as Excel. Who would have bet on that?

I have done some investigating of my own since I live and work in Dallas and have the connections. I'm not directing this just to you personally but to people like NotRight and Tennisbar.

Only 2 years out of 16 years in its history was Excel even owned by Vartec. Prior to that, Excel had been in business 14 years and had created over 1,100 millionaires on the books. Vartec was an extremely major player in the telecommunication industry as it pioneered the 10-10 dial around system for long distance. With the advance of technology, i.e. cell phones and bundle packaging within local service, long distance began to fade away. Vartec bought a proven company (Excel) and drained it's capital. According to several people I talked to who got "screwed" by Vartec, it was as big of a shock to Douglas Witt and Chris Durnhoff as it was to the rest of the associates.

1) Excel was the fastest growing company in the history of American business. It hit a billion dollars in a little over seven years.

2) Excel was in business 16 years (14 years before Vartec bought them out).

3) Excel created lots and lots of millionaires.

4) Rob Snider put Stream/Ignite together and brought in the people he wanted...many with no ties to Excel whatsoever.

5) Chris Dornhoff, Douglas Witt, Paul Theis, Darryl Smith, and Steve Flores were NOT on the board of directors for Vartec. Douglas Witt never even worked for Vartec.


In other words, you guys are giving everyone here a half a bag of information. Tsk Tsk