JuiceBoosted - SCAM ALERT?!

[Ashley Owen]

Just came across this. . . .nice website, very professional SCAM - IMO!

FREE broadband, 4 times faster than ADSL/CABLE, using your telephone line, whilst bypassing your ISP! lol

www.juiceboosted.com

Cheers
Ash

[holley35@msn.com]

Yeah and $48.00 for every FREE member you get to sign up for FREE....80 million of them!!! That's alot of cash to be paid out to affiliates come the week of Oct. 1st!!!

[theo]

Yes, I would agree the math on this comes to an outrageous figure. I emailed them some questions regarding this. Also, in their marketing material they said that the residual commissions is dependent on the subscriber being active with their keyboard and mouse. So I asked if this has anything to do with tracking the subscriber's surfing habits. Either way, I joined 'cause there is nothing to lose at this point except my email address...and as if I haven't given that out before. :D

[valacuda]

Looks like they are just obtaining 80 million email addresses that they can resell.

[inyobus]

Yes things "appear" strange, but does anybody have some concrete information about them? I suspect they're feeding up some kind of scumware, but if they can provide a faster internet connection for people on a dial up, it may be viable anyhow.

[Ashley Owen]

Everything "Appears" to be extremely legit. . . I mean the web page looks fantastic, if I didn't know any better I would jump at the prospect of a FREE broadband connection!

Juice REQUEST that you have a telephone line connected to your PC in order for it to work. My GUESS, on the 1st October, 80 million ppl will download the software (a simple dial up script), and make an extremely expensive telephone call!?!!

I have been known to be wrong (just ask my wife), but if you are *thinking* about joining, do so with an email address that you're happy to "throw" away! As Valacuda suggested, they may be just be after an email address.

Ash

[theo]

Well lets look at a few things:

1) They are offering the 1st 80 million free. They won't have 80 mil by 10/1 so they won't be paying 48 x 80 mil on 10/1.

2) Their marketing materials they send out upon joining are top notch and extensive so far.

3) If they were to renigue (sp) on their deal come 10/1, they will get busted for scamming and I wouldn't be surprised if the British govt comes down on them.

4) The website gets a 5 out of 5....very professional.

5) Your only risk right now is your email...B-F-Deal.

6) I personally will think they are legit because the risk/profit ratio is too good to pass up.

7) Scumware and spyware should not be an issue,,,because again if they were to do something sneaky, it will come out and their business will drop like a lead ball. They may be trading free for adware which if upfront is OK. Nothing sneaky.

8) I should know better than to post on "scam" boards...too many people with a pessimistic attitude always assuming the worst.

9) If thet bomb out...then the pessies won the flip of the coin. If they don't, then call me in the caribbean cause I'll have been marketing like crazy.

10) Have a good day. :D

One other thing, if you were to come up with technology that could make broadband free for everyone with a telephone and come up with a business plan that is profitable....don't you think you would be able to get a xxxxload of customers and a few very wealthy backers?

theo
my affiliate ID is mg8qc if you see the glass half full....

[acutelyoblique]

I came upon this site--Scams--looking for an answer to whether JuiceBoosted is a scam. I try to take enough care in what I send down the pike to not send something harmful to others. All of the previously mentioned concerns are shared by me, plus I have another. I started to sign up as an affilitate, but came up against a red flag:

They want info on how to send me money. There are three options. The third one is
paypal; the second one is check by mail--either of these would be pretty safe; but the first one is bank direct deposit---required fields include account number, routing number, name and address of bank, etc.....This is more than enough info to have checks printed. The page isn't even secure. Yes, the webpage looks professional, but do you know any legit business that doesn't use a secure page for such transactions? And I know better than to give that much info away to strangers; my Mamma didn't raise a damn fool. At best, this company is irresposible.

If I sign up as an affiliate, I will for sure only sign up for checks mailed to me.

I just can't see it being legit, but I will be checking back here to see if anyone posts more definative info.

[inyobus]

Looks like some pretty legitimate answers here, both pro and con. I agree with acuteoblique, I would certainly NOT give them my checking account info. This COULD be a good deal, and there's very little risk involved in it. I too would use a disposable email address if I were dealing with them. (Which we might)

We're interested in this company, but still leery that it's too good to be true. In their FAQs they talk about offering the program for free and then paying $48 per sign up because there are thousands of "hidden" revenue opportunities for them.

They still have not answered my request to explain what that means.

In the past, companies have been known to "hijack" somebody's browsin experience and then replace affiliate links from people who have spent good money advertising on such PPC places as Overture or Google, with their own, and/or they've served up data that's paid for by advertisers, making it look like a "search".

Can't say though whether this is Juice's business model or not, if they won't answer their emails.

Maybe for some people though, the trade off to somebody who cannot get high speed any other way would be worth it.... and the company needs to be able to make a profit somewhere or it wouldn't be able to stay in business.

Personally IF that's their business model we wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, because I think that somebody who would "steal" traffic like that might also be shoddy in paying off their distributors.

It would be nice though to find out more specifics about them rather than just rumors. If I can get an answer to my questions, I'll post it here, either positive or negative.

[holley35@msn.com]

I have to say that if Juice truly has technology that is protected by 23 patents and can truly speed up your dial-up to that speed, they will be a Fortune 500 company in no time flat, however they will make thier money... and I will be kicking myself in the ass forever as I just don't believe it...

I mean when I first visited the website I was all but ready to sign up, then print up thousands of fliers and head out to my local WalMart Super Center...but like many people something was telling me this is just too good to be true...



But the question I'm asking myself is why pay the enormous amounts for signing up free affiliates?

I mean they could easily offer $24.00 per sign up and still get everyone and his brother marketing the program, considering the residuals they are offering...anyone would know that...


But better yet that patented technology would easily be worth BILLIONS...and they would find no problems financing advertising for TV and radio worlwide...no affiliates to pay...ever...

But whatever they are doing, they are doing it right as I did a Google search on them about 1 1/2 weeks ago and came up with little or nothing....now all you get is affiliate adverts.

I did do a Google search on the physical address they have on the website and came up with various companies...no Juiceboost as of yet.

If this is a scam it is a damn good one....

[theo]

Well, I am still "pro" on this because the risk is low. Regarding the non-secure connection here is a contact for affiliates.
affiliatesupport@juiceboosted.com

To review the domain info, go to godaddy.com and put in onjuice.com (they own juiceboosted.com). Here is the physical address:
onJUICEowner-address: 27 Old Gloucester Streetowner-
address: WC1N 3XXowner
address: LONDON
owner-address: United Kingdom
owner-phone: +44.8707202094
owner-fax: +44.8707620458

They do have some work to do to make this smooth including the non-security issue and the reporting of affiliate and customer downlines. They say in their marketing materials this info will be emailed every Sunday. Haven't received one yet. Also, I have a hard time getting some of the pages up. Guess I'll have to pause some adverts I have going.

So far, most of the ads I have seen are FFA ads and exchange ads.

I'm sure they are getting inundated with emails and phone calls because of the "unbelievable" affiliate program.

Also on Go Daddy, the WHO IS info mentions a Daniel Houghton. Doing a serach came up with danielhoughton.co.uk. Seems to be a bright young kid who does some great graphics among other things. I'll send him an email and ask if he is the same one mentioned in the onjuice.com info.

Also, onjuice.com is hosted at H2OH-HOSTING.NET out of Delray Beach, FL and the contact lists deft-group.com out of Delray Beach. Deft-group seems to be a multimedia company.

One other thing. When I did a search on juice last week I came across a post by Hugo at a xxx forum. He was looking for someone who would be interested in doing some copywriting work for juice. He stated the work is not is not adult related but came here because some of the best writers work in the xxx industry. Which by the way is correct from what I understand.

Ted

[inyobus]

Well I DID get a reply from the company regarding my questions. Actually I got two replies. The first one apologized for the delay. It said they'd been having some DOS attacks which caused access problems to their servers. For those who don't know, DOS stands for denial of service and basically it means they're being slammed by rogue servers sending enough traffic in a very short time to jam them up. Also they have affiliates who have been spamming, which has caused them problems with their ISP and they need to move to a new provider. That's not surprising.

Anyhow here's the note I got back from their support people:

Due to the nature of this new service there is only a certain amount of
transparency that we can offer to remain unique at this point of time.
However, I can say that we do not use intrusive advertising like banners or
aggressive marketing. There is a natural flow to consumer conversion with
respect to our service and revenue streams. There is no spyware, tracking or
other trickery. There is no reason for any sort of hidden offensive revenue
collection methods as there is ample revenue to be gained from our friendly
consumer service.

Kind regards

Charlie

[geo®ge]

Great find!

[theo]

Nice picture George.....

however you got that look in your eye like you're ready to SCAM the ladies! :D

[theo]

You know Charlie...I gotta agree with "There is no reason for any sort of hidden offensive revenue collection methods as there is ample revenue to be gained from our friendly consumer service".

I mean the British invented "courteous", "proper", "respectful" and things of that sort. Therefore if this is a scam, you can damn well believe it will be the kindest, most respectful scam put on. So good in fact, we may end up apologising to juice for waiting so long to be scammed.

So lets all put on our best face shall we, and sign up now! Save yourself an apology and an embarrassment. My affiliate ID is above.

;)

[theo]

Latest info:

Wrote this email on Tuesday (7/20):
Hi Folks,

Seems to be a little difficult getting to the site. I had to pause my
adverts because I'm afraid it is being wasted. Any news on this?
Also, the info said that affiliate statistics were to be emailed on Sunday.
Any word on this?

Thanks,
Ted

Received this today (7/21):
Hi Ted,

We are currently in the process of moving to another hosting company and do not
have access to the affiliate database at present.
Once the transfer is complete then we will be able to send out the stats
reports.

I apologise for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your patience.

Kind regards
Charlie


I have had approx 225 targeted views of my juice affiliate site and will wait to see what their stats say. Because of the site problems I don't know how many people made it to the site. Per their literature they claim approx an 80% conversion/signup rate once the person is on the site. My gut tells me I will have to do another test once the site is loading more smoothly.

Ted

[xconeuro]

just found somethin....

the physical add is actually a virtual office that can be register here....
http://www.britishmonomarks.co.uk/vi..._services.html

also found a very similar design and concept to juiceboosted which is.....
http://www.onspeed.com/

and some tech savvy said that it impossible to compress data that much to achieve 4x faster than broadband..... :(

[MarkT]

Yeah I have been having the same probs not being able to get through to the site etc, but I have had the same emails regarding DOS attack. I am also putting my promotion on hold until its up and running again. As someone else just said, if its a scam its the best one ever, and what do you have to lose? Its free, and Im an optimist and ambitious, and who wouldnt want free broadband and a chance to earn a good income? For those of you who think like me then check it out at
www.juiceboosted.com ;) Keep trying

Cheers Mark

[Lantech]

Originally Posted by xconeuro

just found somethin....

the physical add is actually a virtual office that can be register here....
http://www.britishmonomarks.co.uk/vi..._services.html

also found a very similar design and concept to juiceboosted which is.....
http://www.onspeed.com/

and some tech savvy said that it impossible to compress data that much to achieve 4x faster than broadband..... :(

After looking at this I would almost be convinced the same company is trying a different marketing stategy. The banners are the same, the site is the same, the commissions are lower, but everything else seem identical except for the color and name. Could be legit? I guess we will see. After talking with some techy friends in telecom they say the compression will really only work for websites, not games and things that are already compressed as much as they can be. But hey... Faster web is faster web... Especially for those poor folks on, uh what's it called? Dialup. I haven't used it in 7 years.. I ISDN before DSL...

[theo]

This is pure speculation/educated guess...

Onjuice.com is a continuation of the technology used the develop onspeed.com. The technology has been advanced to where they have a product that can compete on a global scale. Thus onjuice.com was created.

Frankly, I am glad xconeuro found this info. To me it adds credibility to onjuice. If you go to Yahoo: UK & Ireland, put in onspeed and do a search, you get over 19,000 results. This is great news folks regarding scam or not.

Also, if you look thru the site you will see onspeed is a sister comapny of net2roam. In doing a search on Yahoo - Spain and France, there are 800-900 listings each. Another good sign.

Plus all the reviews on onspeed on their site look legit.

Why then are they willing to pay $48 per free signup then?

Because they want fast viral growth. They want to move fast before the competition has a chance to react. They are a foreign company moving in on many established brands worldwide. They know that $48 will get many internet marketers and highly traffic websites to jump on board.

Ted


P.S. I think this is worth an email to onjuice regarding their relationship to onspeed. I'll let everyone know if I get a response.

[theo]

Hello All,

Just received the latest update from JUICE.

Click here: JUICE UPDATE - 7/26/04

I'm still "thumbs up" on this.

Ted

[Lantech]

star I am still thumbs up on it also. I have been doing a little research (casual research actually) and found that even Netscape is trying to get in on this kind of "upsale" for customers. They are selling it for $5 us as an add on to thier dialup. I have also found a couple other companies that offer it independently.

Time to get in on a wave it looks like! :)

We will see how well they stay up after tomorrow...

[theo]

July 27th, 2004 m- 10:12 am

I couldn't get into my affiliate site so I wrote this email to juicesupport.com and to their "new" hosting company.
------------------------------------
Hi,

I noticed that when I check my affiliate site
(http://www.juiceboosted.com/index.ph...tId=2&Id=mg8qc) I get the
following message and address - message:This Account Has Been Suspended-Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. The site this message. Address:http://zeta.asmallorange.com/suspend...tId=2&Id=mg8qc. Now
juicesupport.com is ok, but juiceboosted and onjuice.com is getting the
suspension message. Currently, I am running an advertising campaign and will
have to put in on hold just like the last time the site had problems (DOS
attack).

Will this be a continuing problem? Last time I emailed when the site was down I was told hosting and servers were being changed. I noticed on the suspension message this time the company is asmallorange.com....wondering if because of your market and the offer that the competition will do whatever it takes to mess this up.

Regards,
Ted Schmidt
Affiliate ID - mg8qc
--------------------------------------------------
Here is the answer from asmallorange.com:

Ted,
The admin was talking to Hugo yesterday about a problem with the datacenter terminating the site without our knowledge. This was due to spam complaints (not originating from the site, but spam messages referring to the site). There has been a backup posted and it sounds like Hugo is moving to another company as the datacenter will not allow us to host juiceboosted.com.

Regards,
Jeff
----------------------------------------------------

Greetings,

Interesting subject, and a technology I have beta tested over the past five years. As one who has a technical background, I know of many advances which were impossible to beleive at the time they were introduced. Heck, I remember when 300 baud was the norm in data transmission, then came 1200, WOW, then 2400, WOW again, then in 80's, we saw further increases in transmission speeds, and now today, 56K is norm.

I don't know about you, but I never say never, and this data compression technology has been *****ing for five years that I know abou it. Living in IBM country where all my friends are still techies, I have seen this and used early versions of this new technology, so I know it is real.

Whether or not Juice has it or not, who knows, but it sure seems strange that they would go to this much effort if it was not real. Sorry folks, but as some have mentioned, they simply want to harvest email addresses, that is plain stupid, as email addresses are easily obtained with less cost and effort. For those who claim you cannot get anymore data across the phone lines, that is a load of crap, just look at going from 300 baud to 56K in just a couple decades on same lines. Now we have fibre optic lines, and even though not everyone has this to their home or office just yet, do you think it is possible that you will in a few more years?

Look at the newest technology, pumping data over your ***** lines. This is already being done in beta testing, so I know it works, and is equal to cable broadband, so how can anyone say what Juice has it not possible? Since it cost nothing to pre-register, and no secure data is required if you choose check option, what do you have to lose? When NetZero promoted free access for their first year in business, did people cry scam? But when an affiliate with multi tier offers same free access, it is labeled a scam. Funny, but that is the way it is, so time will tell. I for one would love to save the cost of broadband, never mind earn a nice income being first in this industry to offer advanced compression technology such as this.

We'll see who is right and who is wrong soon enough, but I am registered and like the customer service I received up until DOS attacks and spam claims have delayed pre-registration forms and affiliate forms from being available, I;ll be ready regardless as I secured FREE-DSL-BROADBAND.COM just in case it is real. (LOL)

Regards, Mike

[theo]

Good post Mike!

We are of the same outlook since I secured FreeBroadbandISP.com last week.

Ted

[theo]

JUICE is back up as of 11:00 pm Wed, 7/28.

Greetings,

Ever careful of scams, I did a lot of research having been beta testing this new compression technology for years, so I have seen it get faster and faster every version. For those who cannot wait, you can sample the high speed on an older version up and running in UK since January with over 50K raving about new technology, and even written up in articles, so FREE-JUICE is hardly a scam.

When system came back up, the only thing I had to do is reset my banners and ID remained the same. For those using old banners, email me if you want quick fix information as it is not explained on site.

Regards, Mike
http://FREE-DSL-BROADBAND.COM

[theo]

Mike,

These are the steps I took from their latest email a day ago.

1) Click on: http://www.juicesupport.com/newsupdate.html

2) Then go down to "Other Links" at the bottom of the orange section and click.

3) Then within other links, click on "Start Now".

4) Then click on the "Banners" tab on top right of the screen.

5) Follow instructions.

Ted

[Craig]

As someone who has worked for an ISP in the past I feel compelled to point out that this is about the biggest load of bull I've ever come across.

Dodgy business model aside, this is 100% technically infeasible for too many reasons to list. It's possible to speed up dialup a bit using fancy compression techniques (think 2-3 times in optimum conditions) - getting broadband (say 1mb plus) through any old phoneline in the world is utter sci-fi. You can't create bandwidth out of thin air - there are firm, inescapable physical limitations here. :)

I'm not sure exactly how these people intend to make their money, but I can guarantee it's sure as heck not thorough free worldwide broadband. :)

[theo]

"As someone who has worked for an ISP in the past I feel compelled to point out that this is about the biggest load of bull I've ever come across."

Elaborate *****......

Were you like a Developmental Engineer or a gopher at this ISP? If it is a bunch of bull like you say then I guess you are on the cutting edge of this stuff.

C'mon dude...spill the beans
Mezzzzzzmorize us with rocket science
Confuse us with techie words
Jus esplane

While we are waiting, here is a joke.

Golf Digest just came out with the worst 4-some ever.

1) Monica Lewinsky cause she is a "hooker".
2) OJ Simpson cause he is a "slicer".
3) Ted Kennedy cause he can't "drive" over *****.
4) Bill Clinton cause he can't remember what "hole" he is on.

:D

[Craig]

I worked in the Network Operations Center of an ISP with around 200k customers. No I'm not going to say which one. :)

You don't need to be a technichal guru to see this is a scam. There are a limited number of cycles (opportunities to send a 1 or a 0) per second available over a standard phone line. There are limits on how much you can compress a given chunk of data.

To reach broadband speeds on a dialup line you would need to compress each and every chunk of data to around a 50th of its original size. This is simply impossible. If you'd like to challenge either of these limitations go right ahead, but please provide some evidence to back it up. :)

[voodoo]

quote from juiceboost

"Therefore, when you refer 10 affiliates into JUICE and they refer another 10 each who further refers 10 affiliates and each of them sign up 100 JUICE customers per month, then the income you could EARN is really phenomenal. Work it out for yourself! Your income would be over £200, 000 GBP a month from your own overrides and personal revenue. £200, 000 GBP"

mfao
pmsl


way 2 good 2 be true........................

[milestone]

firstly, i'm a new poster here - HI ALL :-)

now i'm probably going to start a flame war here - but hey - who cares?!?

1) technologically, it is JUST ABOUT possible to do this level of compression that juice is talking about - take a look at the freely available data on fractal compression algorithms - one of the sites I found claimed to have taken 1 gig of data to 1 meg - so i tried it. it was a carefully selected orientation of 1's and 0's, but it worked (for the less technical ones of us that's a compression of 1024 times!)

2) even a 1 meg broadband supplier DOES NOT EVER OFFER 1 MEG DOWNLOAD SPEEDS

3) 56k dialup gives around 5kbps in real terms

4) 1meg offers around 400kbps

5) to compress to 1meg broadband levels only needs to bee a compression rate of 80 times - as i've allready said - it has been achieved a 1024 times compression

6) ISP network engineers are usually not "on the cutting edge" infact, IMHO, they are glorified cable-engineers:p (just incase the sarcasm didn't get across, I AM JOKING!!!!! MY ISP IS NTL!!!!!!!!!)

anyhow, theres my two-penneth :-)

[Craig]

In answer to your points:

1) technologically, it is JUST ABOUT possible to do this level of compression that juice is talking about - take a look at the freely available data on fractal compression algorithms - one of the sites I found claimed to have taken 1 gig of data to 1 meg - so i tried it. it was a carefully selected orientation of 1's and 0's, but it worked (for the less technical ones of us that's a compression of 1024 times!)

Take a look at the type of data being compressed (certainly not your average download) and the amount of time it took to compress. There's no relevance to internet downloads or even everyday file compression.

2) even a 1 meg broadband supplier DOES NOT EVER OFFER 1 MEG DOWNLOAD SPEEDS

My 1Mb (Megabit) provider most certainly does provide a full megabit of download/upload bandwidth. I suggest you switch broadband providers if you're getting short-changed. Perhaps you're getting confused between bits and bytes (there are 8 bits to a byte).
http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/k/kilobit.htm

3) 56k dialup gives around 5kbps in real

The theoretical max download bits per second of a 56k modem is around 53000 (53 Kilobits). The average connection is closer to 40Kb. V.42 error correction adds overhead, so dividing by 9 gives you around 5 Kilobytes per second. Bear in mind this rate is already heavily compressed.
http://www.56k.com/trouble/connect.shtml

4) 1meg offers around 400kbps

I have no idea where you pulled that figure from.

5) to compress to 1meg broadband levels only needs to bee a compression rate of 80 times - as i've allready said - it has been achieved a 1024 times compression

Not in practical situations and certainly not on-the-fly over a modem. If fractal compression is so practical, where is my 1024x file compressing archiver? Where are the 100KB full quality mp3s?

6) ISP network engineers are usually not "on the cutting edge" infact, IMHO, they are glorified cable-engineers (just incase the sarcasm didn't get across, I AM JOKING!!!!! MY ISP IS NTL!!!!!!!!!)

That's a fair comment, I was still an undergrad. :)

I maintain that you're not going to compress everyday internet data more than 2-3 times max in realtime. Post a link and prove me wrong. :)

[Lantech]

If this is such a technological scam according to ISP's, then why are Juno and Netscape both selling this type of "service" for $5/month....

https://register.isp.netscape.com/de...5_7_2004_06_58
http://www.juno.com

I think its real....

Now technically.... does that mean ALL my traffic has to route their servers? Probably, which may offset the balance. Also when you think of those poor suckers still on dialup surfing, They are usually only doing that, surfing, so webpages could be the highest compression item. I guess we will see.

I have found some others that are selling this also if you really want to "try" the service. Remember this is only free for those who sign up before OCT....

[Neil]

Web accelerators are not new.

But theres a fairly large difference between Netscapes offering.
"Surf up to 5x faster!"

Meaning top speed is 5x faster, and normal is alot less.

and JuiceBoosted
Guaranteeing 2Mbps, 40x faster. All the time guaranteed aparently :P

and willing to pay almost $1,000 US for every instance i can't download a zip file at 2Mb zip file in 10 seconds :P mmmmm sustainable LOL

"You are guaranteed to get a minimum connection speed of 2MB with 100% uptime. If we fail to meet either or both we will pay you £500 GBP* per failure."

[Craig]

Those sites are offering standard levels of compression acceleration (say 5x under perfect conditions). As I understand it this requires extra hardware at the ISP end.

This is a long way from the 40x or more software acceleration advertised by Juice.

[Craig]

http://www.propel.com/ac/tech.jsp

Technical overview of one of the leading web accelerators around. You're not going to manage much better than the example speed increases described.

[milestone]

hehehe, told you i'd start a flame war!

anyhow,

I stand corrected on the kilobyte / kilobit thing - my bad reading :-)

on fractal compression, 1024 times was achived with a repeatable PARTICULAR set of data - practically it was around 500 times compression on average.

i'll dig out the link from my old PC - but it genuinely happened.

the technology takes around 1.2 seconds to compress 100 meg - thats bloody quick - and that's based on a 500MHz PC with 64 meg ram (admitedly, runing linux, but hey :p)

the reason you don't have 100k MP3's is simple - "they" (whoever they are) have not implemented fractal compression on a large scale because of the problems you have with the algorithym needing 500 times the space at client end to be able to use on-the-fly decompression - plus a working fractal compression client.

the data table for a fractal compression client is around 2 gig in size - not many people would want to sacrifice 2 gig of space for compression.

now on a completely different note, have juice-boosted included linux in their list of working systems - i don't think they have...

lol.

Cheers,

Christopher Miller
Proprietor
MiLESTONE IT

[k9tooth]

I think fractal compression is out of the question. If you could dig out anything from your old PC, I expect you'll find that fractal compression is an image compression algorithm. If you review juiceboosted's claims, they couldn't be using fractal compression since they claim that their acceleration works for any kind of data (audio files, video files, email).

Maybe they're using some other compression method.

Or, more probably, they are making impossible claims and are simply a scam.

[theo]

All this talk about whether they can do it or not but I don't see any credentials from any of these Einsteins here. So you folks who seem to "know" continue on telling everyone the world is flat. In the meantime, "Columbus" theo here is going to hop on a little row boat and get a jump on some advertising.

Now I realize that until the $$ are in my account...it is not a done deal, but
lookie here...from juiceboosted themselves:

MY TOTALS
TOTAL AMOUNT OWED THIS WEEK (BOTH PERSONAL & DOWNLINE OVERRIDES) £756 GBP
OVERALL TOTAL AMOUNT OF COMMISSION (BOTH PERSONAL & DOWNLINE OVERRIDES) PAYABLE SINCE I JOINED £1135.78 GBP

Straight from the bottom of my stats page.....hmmmmmm...lets see 1135.78 times a conversion rate of approx 1.78 equals approx $2,000. Cost on my part to date: approx $40

I tell you, those scam people go to great lengths to look legit. I mean I went to www.onspeed.com and did a little reading. I think it is safe to say onspeed is related to onjuice. Without digging deeper, similar names, same industry, similar website.

But anyway, back to onspeed. I went looking around and checked their reviews link. Guess what!!!

This scam gets deeper, look at these fake reviews (http://www.onspeed.com/reviews.php#) . How can they get away with this...especially on the internet!

Wow...this is one slick operation with a big set of cahones.

You know...getting back to the einsteins. If this is all legit, it should piss some of you off that juice did not contact you and your peers on what they where doing. The nerve of them. To think they would move ahead without you.

Lookie here kids. Check this out. Boy did they go to great lengths again.
http://www.juicesupport.com/newsupdate.html

For those whose glass is half full, my aff link ID is: mg8qc

I'll laugh if I am right (especially to the bank) and I'll laugh if I am wrong 'cause it ain't the end of the world. :D

Quick quiz:
Was the smilie at they end of my message influenced by:

a) a rabbit
b) an oriental
c) Gary Busey
d) the male expression after an orgasm
e) Gary Busey's son


theo

[theo]

Now this is what I call passive income.

Finished the last post, got up to take a poop and like magic.....

MY TOTALS
TOTAL AMOUNT OWED THIS WEEK (BOTH PERSONAL & DOWNLINE OVERRIDES) £837 GBP
OVERALL TOTAL AMOUNT OF COMMISSION (BOTH PERSONAL & DOWNLINE OVERRIDES) PAYABLE SINCE I JOINED £1216.78 GBP

Up 85 pounds or in US$ - $144

Hmmmmm...there is an advertising headline here.

How's this:

"Discover How You Too Can SH*T Money"

theo

[Ashley Owen]

The ppl in the Whirlpool Forum are picking on you Theo. . . . .wonder why ROFLMAO!

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

Just a snippet from the Juice web site.

* You will never see another dead, blank or irrelevant page ever again and if you do, we will pay you £500 GBP*.
* You will NOT get another spam email EVER, but if you do we will pay you £100 GBP* in compensation.
* You are guaranteed to get a minimum connection speed of 2MB with 100% uptime. If we fail to meet either or both we will pay you £500 GBP* per failure.
* YOU will NEVER receive a virus or worm in your email inbox again as we operate up to the millisecond software to stop the same, but if you do get one we will pay you £500 GBP* compensation.
* JUICE is able to block every porn and adult site on the Internet if you choose to filter it and if we fail you we will pay you £200 GBP* per reported instance. That's how confident JUICE is.
* We can STOP your child from chatting to people who pretend to be children in chat rooms by using amazing breakthrough IP filtration and parenthesis technology.

If you can believe ANY of these promises from Juice, then anything discussed in this Forum that is in any way negative about the "company" would just be ignored!

Greetings,

This is the typical response whenever a breakthrough in technology happens. Heck, having been in this industry since the days of 300 baud, I can tell you from first hand experience how many times I heard the words impossible in the data transmission field.

Just a couple years ago they said it was impossible to push data over ***** lines, yet I have seen it working as a beta test is going on just 50 miles from me, so never say never unless your an idiot. Only an idiot would say a technology is not possible, and I know plenty of idiots who I have heard the word impossible from over the years. (g)

Scam, egads, this is almost to funny to read some of these posts on various boards. As Theo pointed out, why would 50K people over 7 months use an earlier version of this same ADSL if it were a scam? Take a look and compare sites and service for yourself.

OnSpeed at http://www.onspeed.com/?A=CJ&AID=10306647&PID=1532797

http://FREE-JUICE.COM

In fact, if you can't wait until October, try OnSpeed for 30 day free trial. It is faster than anything I used on dial up, so I guess it is my imagination and this too is a scam. Either way, even when service is released to the world, I know the neysayers will still be saying it is impossible. (LOL)

Remember, scams ask for money first, then never deliver. Real companies offer service for free first, then prove they are for real. What company or person would go through this expense with full customer service, with real engineers to talk to and give away their software technology for free and be a scam? For those who say for the emails to install spyware, etc. Do you know how stupid that sounds. Heck anyone on broadband now already has spyware on their computers, as well as most with DSL or dial up, so who would go to this extent for email addresses. On well, it has been fun. (g)

Regards, Mike
http://Arbitrage-Better.com

[k9tooth]

I'm just wondering, does anybody out here know which 23 patents they own?
I guess this is the only way, short of waiting for October, to know for sure if they can do what they claim. I tried looking around their site, found "23 patents" mentioned several times in different places, but never could find out specifically which patents they owned.

Can anybody help here? Maybe I just missed something.

[suffwind]

if it's not on slashdot, then it's a scam.. get real!

[StomBJ]

Here is a post of onspeed expirienced user.

http://www.webdevforums.com/showthread.php?t=3295

onspeed claim 5x speed connection, I think it just modem booster software which you can see many of them on net. you can d/l 7 day trial version by search it at download.com.Even it increase connection speed,but it decrease image quality.

umm ... I think juice is same type of software.if it can compress more,may be it worsen the image quality.

[theo]

I checked the post out and noticed November 2000. That is almost 4 years ago....a lot has changed in 4 years.

...and about it being another modem booster you can get anywhere on the net. This is from their website:

"Don't compare this service with any other similar sounding one. JUICE offer a revolutionary, unique service that does not reduce the quality of the pages you surf whilst giving you a blistering 2MB (2000kbps) connection for FREE."

theo



correction: I can't read :D , Nov 2000 is join date, not post date.

[StomBJ]

nono, nov 2000 is joining date of this member.

this post was post on 01-02-04.

[Craig]

All this talk about whether they can do it or not but I don't see any credentials from any of these Einsteins here.

Funny, I don't see a lot of credentials from Juice either. Just a flashy website and some ridiculous claims. You're free to believe who you like though. I've heard of 12 year olds who are very gifted at web design. :)

This is the typical response whenever a breakthrough in technology happens.

This is most certainly not the typical response to breakthrough technology. Anything this revolutionary with the slightest bit of legitimacy would have half the net discussing it, unlikely or not. Sites like the aforementioned Slashdot would be running red - instead the only talk is from a few affiliates trying to make an easy dollar.

Heck, having been in this industry since the days of 300 baud, I can tell you from first hand experience how many times I heard the words impossible in the data transmission field.

I find it hard to believe someone with that much experience 'in the industry' could take Juice's claims seriously. I'll take your word for it, though.

I can see why one might wish for Juice to be real, but one could also wish for the ability to fly. It's just not within the realms of probability.