ITV Ventures

[dollartrex]

I received a spam email today about a new MLM company that claimed to be looking for people to take calls for them following an infomercial scheduled to air. They led you to believe that you would get paid for taking orders generated by the infomercial.

So, as I often do, I took a look into this offer. And saw it for what it was. First, I had to submit my name, mailing address, and phone number. In the phone numkber section, I put 'Do not call.' They took that and forwarded me to more info online.

As it turned out, you have to purchase product to get the privilege to take orders from the infomercial. And the infomercial is about getting people to join and, of course buy product too. Yes, the product is real - vitamins and such - but this is not about selling product as much as it is about getting people to join with the promise of making money and then making them buy the product for the privilege.

I unsubscribed from the mailing list and in response to the aWeber query as to why I unsubsribed, I indicated that it was the same old, same old with people being told they could earn, but later finding out that they had to buy product for the privilege.

There followed an interesting series of emails from the guy who sent me the spam mail to begin with. I'll leave off his name, but the emails follow:

Spammer wrote: Do not call, but yet you want to "make all you can" That does not exactly sound like you are open to new ideas Dave? I tell you what, you have my number, if I hear from you great, if I don't than I wish you the best of luck with whatever it is you are doing.

Spammer again wrote: You're right Dave, same old same old. That shows you how naive you really are my friend. Good luck to you.

Oh by the way, when have you ever had a multimillion dollar infomercial in your back pocket to market your business or your opportunity? I rest my case. We are going to be successful with or without you, so your opinion doesn't exactly teeter me either way.

Let me guess, you have been in about 4 companies all of which you lost money so now you are just plain skeptical and cynical? You're not alone, many people feel the same way you do. So you can keep looking and trying to dismiss everything for your own piece of mind or you take a step forward and forget about the past. Just a thought.

I replied back: You have guessed wrong, my friend. I have been in online marketing for about 10 years and make a full time living at it.

I have been successful, but success is not as important to me as maintaining my ethics. And I do not believe that it is honest marketing to let people believe that they can make money by taking calls, but make them pay for the privilege.

Currently, I make a six figure income and am happy. It wouldn't make me happy to make more at the expense of my ethics.

Each to his own and this is not for me.

Then, no more emails from this guy. :D

[borisf96]

On the top of spamming and false marketing, they are also foundered by famous scammer Kevin Trudeau. You know, the one that has book Natural Cures where he claims that he has natural cures for all deceases.

[kogarris]

Let me correct you on this statement. First of all you need to invest money in something, then try the program before you could possibly determine it to be a scam. Second this company was founded by a man named Donald Barrett who just happens to know a man named Kevin Trudeau, who just happens to have done some things that are not quit up to the standards of the FDA and FTC like helping people who are sick and suffering. He did serve time for some suppose wrong doings, but you step on the FDAs toes and see what they can drum up on you.

Oh by the way are you a minister?

[borisf96]

Source Wikipedia

Trudeau partners with Donald Barrett and ITV Direct
On September 11, 2006, Donald Barrett and ITV Direct announced that they had partnered with Trudeau to market both of his "Natural Cures" books.[15] Trudeau also worked with ITV to create ITV Ventures, a new MLM group based out of ITV's home office.[16] As of December 2006, ITV Direct has pulled all information concerning both this partnership and Trudeau's books from its corporate website; however the infomercials have continued to run as of April 2007

They are the hornets nest of scammers.

Anything associated with kevin T. is garbage. A few years ago he started a pool tour for pro players and named it IPT, or international pool tour. To make a long story short, he screwed all these players out of their prize money and dreams while he made a killing off entry fees. Kevin T. is probally going to spend eternity in hell in my opinion. :mad:

[Matthew Adams]

Originally Posted by kogarris

Let me correct you on this statement. First of all you need to invest money in something, then try the program before you could possibly determine it to be a scam. Second this company was founded by a man named Donald Barrett who just happens to know a man named Kevin Trudeau, who just happens to have done some things that are not quit up to the standards of the FDA and FTC like helping people who are sick and suffering. He did serve time for some suppose wrong doings, but you step on the FDAs toes and see what they can drum up on you.

Oh by the way are you a minister?

This guy (Kevin T.) also got nailed for Credit card Fraud!!!!

This is NOT some FTC & FDA conspiracy theory. These guys do not care who they hurt...as well as the distributors who will-fully know of Kevins Past (and future). If you are a distributor who knows the history of these two...you are as guilty as they are.

Amazing...like I said before...lemmings.

Live with integrity...nothing more or less. Anything less...you are a Kevin T. wanna be.

Matthew Adams

[nitap]

I agree that Kevin T. is a big time scammer. His name was a turn off to me when I was invited by ITV. Whoever is heading ITV, please remove Kevin T. from your website or mailings. He is a big disservice to whatever he gets associated with. Many people like me, who have been looking for many years and who have lost a lot of money on the internet have gotten smarter and do not fall prey anymore to tricks like ITV's. Thanks for the posts here. I knew it.

[itvsilver]

Correction: ITV does not make you buy products. We commit to buy or sell $100 worth of products each month. Once you have a few customers, that requirement is satisfied and you never have to buy another product from ITV again. And of course there are costs to running your ITV home business. Did this guy who is supposedly making 6 figures (but is filling out random capture pages) really think he was going to get a free lunch? Any legitimate business costs money to run. Next, ITV bought Kevin Trudeau's company, so they could own his succesful natual cures books. Visit www BeginRightNow com for details.

[Matthew Adams]

Well I watched the commercial...OUCH!!!!

Now here could be a small glitch.

One of the kids answers the phone...real professional

The husband...who just got finished with a six-pack...answers the phone...hmmm

or...Mr. David Purple joins ITV...Mr. Purple has a criminal record as long as your arm and better. A call comes in...Mrs. Green wants some product...uses her credit card...OUCH...again. Now Mr. Purple has Mrs. Greens information...hmmm.

Sounds like things could get a bit messy.

Matthew

[Matthew Adams]

Originally Posted by itvsilver

Correction: ITV does not make you buy products. We commit to buy or sell $100 worth of products each month. Once you have a few customers, that requirement is satisfied and you never have to buy another product from ITV again. And of course there are costs to running your ITV home business. Did this guy who is supposedly making 6 figures (but is filling out random capture pages) really think he was going to get a free lunch? Any legitimate business costs money to run. Next, ITV bought Kevin Trudeau's company, so they could own his succesful natual cures books. Visit www BeginRightNow com for details.

I understand David Shem...but let's take a look at this statement. What is the difference between the company "making" you...and having to "commit" to buying $100 in products every month...sounds like semantics to me.

Second of all, anyone (who does a little research), who would buy Kevin's books would know...they are a rip-off them selves. Kevin created his books so that he could use the first amendment to skate around the TRO that was placed on him.

Kevin has been doing this for years. He is a scam artist. And if ANYONE really did their research...they would find that Kevin is still tied to ITV Ventures and his good buddy Donald.

Now, again, tell me David...do you, while signing someone up, tell your prospect the history on Donald & Kevin...or do you omit that little detail?

Matthew Adams

[ohein56]

Do they actually believe that the info-mercial angle hasn't been done before?

Kevin T. used to be a bigshot in Nutrition For Life, wasn't he? What happened to that deal? Gone!

Didn't Tony Little try it (MLM+Info-mercials)as well a few years back? To no avail.

If that's the only draw with ITV, it'll fade fast I would imagine.

What's the product? Infomercials? Big whoop!

Oh, another nutritional deal!

Those are real hard to find, aren't they?

Good luck to all concerned,

Kerry

[itvsilver]

Anyone working for ITV goes through a criminal background check. There are many checks and balances in place to assure a positive experience for the customers. I am going on 1 year with the company. I can't say that I am rich, but I receive consistent paychecks every week. I don't know about the rest of you, but any other business I have joined in the past has paid me zero. (I can't be the only one.) So far I am very excited about ITV and the business is growing as planned.

[dflagg84]

Originally Posted by itvsilver

Anyone working for ITV goes through a criminal background check. There are many checks and balances in place to assure a positive experience for the customers. I am going on 1 year with the company. I can't say that I am rich, but I receive consistent paychecks every week. I don't know about the rest of you, but any other business I have joined in the past has paid me zero. (I can't be the only one.) So far I am very excited about ITV and the business is growing as planned.

I don't know. I think that the idea of running criminal background checks on people who are working for... (ignorantly or otherwise) a man who takes his lead from an ex-con... seems kind of... off... to me.

It's no secret that I don't think much of ITV or Kevin. But tell me, what are the products being sold? Aside from Kevin's books and Graziosi's material? Whether you're making money with the business or not, it's good to think about the product and whether or not people are getting what they pay for.

With KT, that is NOT the case. Buy a copy of "The Natural Cures they don't want you to know about". You'll see what I mean.

Overall, I'm not impressed with anything I've heard about the company. People are making money, good, great..., but what about the integrity of the marketer, or for that matter, the products?

Is ITV selling anything exclusive that actually benefits the customer in some way? Something not created by KT or Dean Graziosi? Just asking. I'm curious about the product-line.


David Flagg

[reach4yrdream@yahoo.com]

Hi Everyone,
I have been reading these post for several weeks now and decided to become a member so I may join in on the conversations. I am a stay at home dad with 5 children and my family as well as the children run a ITV Ventures business as well. I debated for a long time about joining this site because I new that I would be heavly critizized, but thats all cool as well.

I'd like to say hi to all of you and I look forward to chatting with you weather here or on yahoo messenger. Is everyone ready for christmas. Well my kids are going crazy.

Just to let you know my e-mail means what it says and I came up with this e-mail over eight years ago because I am a very positive person and I wanted others to see that in my address which as a result would motivate them to reach for their dream.

Thanks

[lilTitan]

How s it going?

Originally Posted by Matthew Adams

I understand David Shem...but let's take a look at this statement. What is the difference between the company "making" you...and having to "commit" to buying $100 in products every month...sounds like semantics to me.

Second of all, anyone (who does a little research), who would buy Kevin's books would know...they are a rip-off them selves. Kevin created his books so that he could use the first amendment to skate around the TRO that was placed on him.

Kevin has been doing this for years. He is a scam artist. And if ANYONE really did their research...they would find that Kevin is still tied to ITV Ventures and his good buddy Donald.

Now, again, tell me David...do you, while signing someone up, tell your prospect the history on Donald & Kevin...or do you omit that little detail?

Matthew Adams

[chrisrug]

I just signed up with them. I invested $500. I'm expecting $200 back in credit through company that will totally get used. I expect to answer call ins from infomercials for holistic health products . I really expect to work part time and make full time pay. My friend has been slowly toying around with the company and has made about $1700 in 20 or so hours after paying for his calls and whatnot . I will rely on ITV to hold up their end of the deal as far as stock and shipping. If something goes wrong, I will stop dealing with them. I don't expect to lose any money through them.

[betsy tucker]

SCAM

Here is the real truth of ITV ventures. IBO's must purchase $100 worth of product per month, even if they sell $100 of products. Phone calls cost the IBO $20. IBOs are charged even if the potential customer just wants information hangs up or the call doesn't go through. $200 can be gone with 10 phone calls. Then there is the training fees of 59.95 per month and the 29.95 per month for a de-personalized website.

I run everytime i hear the word partner. SCAM

[betsy tucker]

Originally Posted by dflagg84

I don't know. I think that the idea of running criminal background checks on people who are working for... (ignorantly or otherwise) a man who takes his lead from an ex-con... seems kind of... off... to me.

It's no secret that I don't think much of ITV or Kevin. But tell me, what are the products being sold? Aside from Kevin's books and Graziosi's material? Whether you're making money with the business or not, it's good to think about the product and whether or not people are getting what they pay for.

With KT, that is NOT the case. Buy a copy of "The Natural Cures they don't want you to know about". You'll see what I mean.

Overall, I'm not impressed with anything I've heard about the company. People are making money, good, great..., but what about the integrity of the marketer, or for that matter, the products?

Is ITV selling anything exclusive that actually benefits the customer in some way? Something not created by KT or Dean Graziosi? Just asking. I'm curious about the product-line.


David Flagg

Comparable products can be found for less at any health food store.

[Titan123]

Who is Betsy Tucker and why is she so misinformed?

She says 'even if an IBO sells $100 worth of product, they still need to buy $100 worth of product.' She is totally wrong.

As IBO's we need to 'move' $100 worth of product each month. If you sell it, you're done!

Taking inbound calls it will take you about 1 day to fulfill that requirement.

Other MLM's require you to buy product regardless of how much you sell. There's no comparison. ITV wins every time.

Also, why does she say phone calls all cost $20? There have been $5 calls ever since I started.

[chrisrug]

Originally Posted by betsy tucker

SCAM

Here is the real truth of ITV ventures. IBO's must purchase $100 worth of product per month, even if they sell $100 of products. Phone calls cost the IBO $20. IBOs are charged even if the potential customer just wants information hangs up or the call doesn't go through. $200 can be gone with 10 phone calls. Then there is the training fees of 59.95 per month and the 29.95 per month for a de-personalized website.

I run everytime i hear the word partner. SCAM

this is true..

[ohein56]

Betsy said

Comparable products can be found for less at any health food store.

This has always been my big, main gripe about nutritionals. Aside from the fact that your hands are tied as to claims. Even if your telling the truth about results they're deemed to be medical claims.

If it weren't for those two glaring shortcummings, I'd probably be in selling nutritionals myself, though I highly doubt if I'd be doing any business with ITV & their little gang of criminals.

Kerry

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Betsy said

This has always been my big, main gripe about nutritionals. Aside from the fact that your hands are tied as to claims. Even if your telling the truth about results they're deemed to be medical claims.

If it weren't for those two glaring shortcummings, I'd probably be in selling nutritionals myself, though I highly doubt if I'd be doing any business with ITV & their little gang of criminals.

Kerry

This entire medical claims issue is a very slippery slope. Look what's happened to SeaSilver over many of the same "claims" I saw displayed on the ITV info-mercial I recently watched.

http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/mlm_fda_f...aSilver_3.html

Be careful, they're watching, all the time. It goes too far and your likely to get your hand slapped, hard!

Kerry Hein

[Healthy Living]

Well ITV's newest product is USDA Certified Organic.

However, I'm sure the miserable bashers will still come up with something to complain about....

[Matthew Adams]

Originally Posted by Healthy Living

Well ITV's newest product is USDA Certified Organic.

However, I'm sure the miserable bashers will still come up with something to complain about....

Nice post healthy.

Great way to start things off.

Are you going to court with Donald...hey...maybe even jail (you can be cell buddies)?

Matthew

[Healthy Living]

Ahh, look at that. I mention a new product that is USDA Certified Organic and I get a negative comment from possibly the most unintelligent person to ever participate on Scam.com. Not surprising.

[Matthew Adams]

Originally Posted by Healthy Living

Ahh, look at that. I mention a new product that is USDA Certified Organic and I get a negative comment from possibly the most unintelligent person to ever participate on Scam.com. Not surprising.

Look who is talking about intelligence.

Did not mention the product..at all.

You seem a little sensitive...been hanging out with Titan too much.

BTW...did I call you ANY names at all? Hmmmm mighty mature of you I must say.

Matthew

[Matthew Adams]

Old...but interesting letter.

Shows Donald's integrity.

He likes to make "Claims" like..."Being Organic"

Something to think about.

Matthew

Department of Health and Human Services' logo Department of Health and Human Services


Public Health Service
Food and Drug Administration


5New England District
One Montvale Avenue
Stoneham, Massachusetts 02160
(781) 5964700
FAX: (781) 596-7896

WARNING LETTER
NWE-25-04W

VIA FED-EX
April 19, 2004

Mr. Donald W. Barrett, Jr.
President
ITV Direct, Inc. / Direct Marketing Concepts, Inc,
100 Cummings Center, Suite 506E
Beverly, MA 01915

Dear Mr. Barrett:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conducted an inspection of your firm, ITV/Direct, Inc. / Direct Marketing Concepts, Inc,, located at 100 Cummings Center, Beverly, MA 01915 on February 11-13, 2004. During this inspection, our Investigator collected labeling associated with your product Supreme Greens with MSM, including a brochure and customer letter that you Include m customer orders. Our investigator also collected substantiation you provided for the claims made for your product Supreme Greens with MSM. In addition, on February 11, 2004, we reviewed labeling on your website at http://www.todayshealth.com. A review of your labeling indicates serious violations of the Act. You can find the Act and FDA regulations on the Internet through links on FDA's web page www.fda.gov

Based on our February 11th review of your website http://www.todayshealth.com, we have determined that your product Supreme Greens with MSM, being offered for sale through the website on that date, was promoted for conditions that cause your product to be a drug under section 201(g)(1) of the Act. The claims on your website establish that your product is a drug because it is intended for use in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease.

Examples of some of the claims observed on your web site include:

* "What are the Results of an Unbalanced pH?... A number of health problems and degenerative conditions have been linked to highly acidic cell pH:
o Cancer
o Athritis
o Fibromyalgia
o Osteoporosis
o High Blood Pressure
o High Cholesterol
o Diabetes
o Gout
o Epstein Bar [sic]
o Heart Disease
o Eczema
o Psoriasis
o Liver Disease
o Hepatitis
o Insomnia
o Shingles
o Attention Deficit Disorder (A.D.D.)
o Allergies
o Asthma

So How Do You Rebalance Your Cells [sic] pH levels . . .?...Supreme Greens with MSM . . . . This naturally alkaline supplement balances body pH..."

* "Supreme Greens was formulated by Dr. Alex Guerrero, a renowned physician who has focused his career on working with people with various degenerative diseases and chronic ailments. His breakthrough supplement has already helped thousands of people with cancer, diabetes, arthritis, lupus, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome . . ..*

Moreover, your product is also a 'new drug" as defined in Section 201(p) of the Act because it Is not generally recognized as safe and effective for its intended uses, Under section 301(d) of the Act, new drugs may not be legally marketed in the U.S. without prior approval from FDA as described in section 505(a) of the Act. Furthermore, this drug is misbranded within the meaning of section 502(f)(1) of the Act, in that the labeling for this drug fails to bear adequate directions far use.

Your product is labeled as a dietary supplement. Under the Act, as amended by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, dietary supplements may be legally marketed with claims to affect the structure or function of the body (structure/function claims), if certain requirements are met. FDA has published a final rule intended to clarify, the distinction between structure/function claims and disease claims. This document is available on the Internet at http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fr000106.html (codified at 21 C.F.R. 101.93(g)). The manufacturer of a dietary supplement containing a "structure/function" claim in the product's labeling must have substantiation that the claim is truthful and not misleading.

The labeling of your product bears structure/function claims that include the following:

* "Supreme Greens with MSM is naturally alkaline helping to balance. your body's pH ,..."
* "Natural weight loss, Supreme Greens with MSM™ can help you lose weight easily and naturally . . .."
* "Helps to control hunger and cravings."
* "Neutralize acidity. Heartburn, acid reflux . . . may be a result of over-acidification."
* "May help to provide mental clarity"
* "Oxygenates the cells"
* "A *****ful blood purifier and detoxifier"
* "A natural anti-aging formula"
* "Supreme Green with MSM helps you overcome this deficiency by providing you with the nutritional equivalent of 2 Ibs. of fresh vegetables in every serving."

We have reviewed these claims and have concluded that they are not supported by reliable scientific evidence. Because these claims lack substantiation, they are false or misleading, and cause your product to be misbranded under sections 403(a)(1) and 403(r)(6)(5) of the Act.

In addition, your product label bears the following claim:

* "Each 3 capsule sensing has the nutrition value of about 5-7 servings of vegetables."

We have reviewed this claim and determined that it is false or misleading, and causes your product to be misbranded under section 403(a)(1) of the Act. it is a violation of section 301 (a) of the Act to introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce any food, including a dietary supplement, that is misbranded,

This letter is not intended to be an all-inclusive review of your Internet websites nor other labeling and products marketed by your firm. The violations described above are not intended to be an all-inclusive list of violations concerning your firm and its products. You are responsible for ensuring that all products marketed by your firm are in compliance with applicable United States laws.

We request that you take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to promptly correct violations may result in enforcement action being initiated by the Food and Drug Administration without further notice. The Act provides for seizure of illegal products and for an injunction against the manufacturer and/or distributor of illegal products.

You must notify this office, within fifteen (15) working days of the receipt of this letter, of the specific steps you have taken to correct the noted violations. Copies of the revised labeling should also be submitted. If corrective action cannot be completed within 25 working days, state the reason(s) for delay and the time at which the corrections will be completed.

You should direct your reply to Patricia Murphy, Compliance Officer at One Montvale Avenue, Suite 4, Stoneham, MA 02180. If you have any question concerning this letter, please contact Ms. Murphy at 781-596-7758.

Sincerely,
/s/
Gail T. Costello
Director
New England District

This page was posted on November 27, 2004.

[Healthy Living]

Yes, you called us 'cell buddies'.

Do you have memory issues?

Every bottle will be labeled USDA Certified by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

I'm sure even then, you will complain.

If I told you the product it wouldn't matter what it was, you'd bash it. That's just what you do.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Healthy Living

Yes, you called us 'cell buddies'.

Do you have memory issues?

Every bottle will be labeled USDA Certified by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

I'm sure even then, you will complain.

If I told you the product it wouldn't matter what it was, you'd bash it. That's just what you do.

Sorry, but I saw one of ITV's "rice & shine" info-mercials recently, and it was sprinkled with curative claims as well. I was shocked your letter you posted didn't have a much more recent date on it, Matt!

Mr Barrett hasn't learned his lesson very well apparently. It's gonna get ugly sooner or later!

JMHO

Kerry Hein

[Healthy Living]

Kerry Hein, aren't you the zipper who has been saying Donald is going to get in trouble for over a year??? I would think you would give up at some point, but I guess you are a slow learner. Donald is doing just fine. Now go work your lame home business calling up other scummy MLM-ers.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Healthy Living

Kerry Hein, aren't you the zipper who has been saying Donald is going to get in trouble for over a year??? I would think you would give up at some point, but I guess you are a slow learner. Donald is doing just fine. Now go work your lame home business calling up other scummy MLM-ers.

Boy oh boy, your tone, healthy living, sure is a nasty one!

Name calling etc...

People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from
within.

~ Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

Didn't mean to step on or toes, but claims are claims, it is what it is!

ITV stops em & I'll stop complaining. I like a level playing field, retailers do to. Making medical, curitive claims to move volume, is cheating, no matter how it's sliced or presented.

In your corner, believe it or not!

Kerry Hein

[nomass]

Homeopathy Explained
Randi Explains how Homeopathy "works"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

[Just Browsing]

Making claims is not illegal. How else is a company supposed to sell their product? Companies make claims all the time on TV. Have you seen a pharmaceutical ad lately?

[borisf96]

Originally Posted by Just Browsing

Making claims is not illegal. How else is a company supposed to sell their product? Companies make claims all the time on TV. Have you seen a pharmaceutical ad lately?

Yes pharmaceutical make claims, but all of them supported with stringent government tests.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Just Browsing

Making claims is not illegal. How else is a company supposed to sell their product? Companies make claims all the time on TV. Have you seen a pharmaceutical ad lately?

Your right. Say more, please. Your point?

I have a pretty good idea what they went through to be able to have an add like that.

I don't think Mr Barrett did that.

Kerry Hein

[ohein56]

healthy living said;

Now go work your lame home business calling up other scummy MLM-ers.

Just curious, healthy, what do you mean by that?

You best not be tryin ta be a takin' a swipe at me...

Sooo... you know something about lame business' and scummy MLM'rs, do ya?

Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.

~ Carl Jung

Calm down healthy, it ain't healthy! It'snothing personal, I just call em as I see em!

Kerry:wave:

[baby_boop38]

Originally Posted by ohein56

healthy living said;

Just curious, healthy, what do you mean by that?

You best not be tryin ta be a takin' a swipe at me...

Sooo... you know something about lame business' and scummy MLM'rs, do ya?



Calm down healthy, it ain't healthy! It'snothing personal, I just call em as I see em!

Kerry:wave:

Healthy....It is unhealthy to follow any advice from Hiney! Hiney's are good for 2 things.....Poopin and lettin out a lot of stinky air! Don't follow any advice from Old Hiney.
He'll have you sending out some of his dumb cards.

I send out cards and lick my own envelopes and now my tongue is stuck!
.

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.
www.afriendlyfart.com
Hiney's way of greeting his friends!

[wayward]

I read the terms carefully.

$100 per month in product purchase is mandatory. If you don't sell $100 worth in a month, the following month you have to sell $200 worth in retail. Failing that your account is terminated. If you fail to pay $29.95 in monthly fees for online training for 2 consecutive months, your account is terminated.

Wow, they make you PAY before they bring you a phone call. The entire burden of this business is on suckers who buy into it.

There is also a $99 annual renewal fee.

Looks like a sleazy credit card company to me.

This will not last and for as long as it lasts, many will lose a lot of $$$.

It is a shame.

[yodaattone]

Originally Posted by wayward

I read the terms carefully.

$100 per month in product purchase is mandatory.

That is an incorrect statement. You may have read the terms but you failed to understand them and have re-stated them incorrectly. A more correct statement might have been something like "$100 per month in product sales is mandatory." The focus here is on selling the product to customers, not buying them for yourself. In fact a clause added to the terms in December added this requirement:

Over fifty percent (50%) of a Representative's wholesale orders must be sold to retail customers.

I have never had trouble with the 100 minimum PV and no one I know of in ITV has had trouble with it. I've been in ITV Ventures since August of 2007. Reason is all you have to do is pick up the phone a few times each month and you'll hit that volume. Most IBO's pick up the phone a lot more than a few times in a month. So the only ones who have trouble with that minimum PV are the inactive ones. Those are the ones the policy is aimed at and that's the reality of it!

You are perfectly welcome to criticize ITV Ventures and you're in good company here, but at least get your facts straight.

[bertcj1002]

wow,some amazing reading! I worked there for 2 yrs.left on my terms with no bad feelings.Now ,the owners of this outfit are the most dishonest people you would ever meet.I saw them screw customers and employees all the time.With ventures,if you get a big buyer,they disappear and end up with one of the higher ups in the company.Seen it happen many times.Customers be very wary giving your cc #.It's bizarre how they are still in business.They have plenty of money to pay their fines,and their lawyers.Anyone speaking positive about them is definately a higher up in the co. One poster I recognized already as a cust.service rep.-in charge.

[Just Browsing]

"If you get a big buyer, they disappear"???

Are you serious? Buying what???

I strongly doubt that you ever worked with this company or you would know how the back office works. People don't just 'disappear' and 'reappear' under someone else. Customers appear in your customer database and IBO's appear in your genealogy. You can monitor all activity from there.

Oh, and you waited 2 years to open your mouth??
Sorry, but nice try.

[bertcj1002]

Originally Posted by Just Browsing

"If you get a big buyer, they disappear"???

Are you serious? Buying what???

I strongly doubt that you ever worked with this company or you would know how the back office works. People don't just 'disappear' and 'reappear' under someone else. Customers appear in your customer database and IBO's appear in your genealogy. You can monitor all activity from there.

Oh, and you waited 2 years to open your mouth??
Sorry, but nice try.

Keep lying,keep preying on the elderly on a fixed income..Why don't you get up off you dead ass and get a real job. I've posted on other sites,I didn't wait 2 years,and I am telling the truth.I made around 40K$ a year working at Itv as a rep. ,I got a better job,is why I left.I was bored and found this site.I know they're very unscrupulous,(2 ex drug dealers teaming with trudeau? lol)So my opinion is as neutral as you can get:wave: