MLM Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing

[Nos]

Hiya everyone,

Just wanted to give a little back. I was recently almost took by the US Representative check cashing deal and I want to give a big /salute to this site, George, and everyone that has chimed in. In today's world it is nice to know there are still a few folks looking out for each other.


Ok on with the show.

A year or so ago I got involved in Fortune Hi- Tech Marketing. although I did recover my investment, it was a pyrmid scheme at its best. A few of my friends have joined, one of which is under me, and have not been able to move the material and create the wealth that everyone thinks.

I did get a chance to meet the #1 representative crook in my area, named Denson Taylor. At the time that I was interested in it he was clearing close to 38k a month, all of which was because he was leeching off of his down line.

Please do not get involved in any of these schemes. I finally realize that Money is never that easy to make........ GL and thanks again for the knowledge this site brings.:)

[Larry Gargis]

Nos I know Denson Taylor personally and he is one of the most caring,christian man I know and by the way he is over 50K a month now. I can tell you do not no much about network marketing. One thing Fortune Hi-Tech does not move material.I have been in Fortune now for 4 months and have already made a full year of my previous employment.Remeber how MLM works if someone is making 38k or 50k or whatever that means he or she has helped alot of other people succeed. Denson has personally done this for me he is my personal sponsor. And I will put my real name unlike you NAS my name is Larry Gargis from Alabama.You call him a crook and I quote although I recovered my investment it is a pyramid scheme which you mispelled. Let me ask you do you no what a pyramid scheme is? What you have done now is called Dish Network,Cingular wireless,UUNET,MCI,TTI a pyramid scheme.I have fowarded these companies your mail mabey they can track your IP address and charge you for slander.Point blank dont talk about something you do not have clue about.You cant hold Denson Taylor's Jock strap Larry Gargis Alabama 256-606-0879

[cornett]

Fortune Hi-tech Marketing IS A SCAM! my wife was SCAMED by Eric Rayburn, and Donnie Likins, she has not and will not recoup he money, this is a scam! SUE ME FOR SLANDER! MY NAME IS CORNETT AND I LIVE A 699 CRAWFORD ROAD, CLEARFIELD KY, 40313, I REPEAT FORTUNE HI-TECH MARKETING IS A SCAM!!!!!!

[Nos]

Wow, just got a chance to log back in.... I am pleased to find out that you sir have become wealthy with this endeavor. Consider either yourself to be lucky; a motivated tool, or a white collar con, whichever keeps you fat.

Fortune Hi-Tech is a tool that will help only the "connected" profit. I did get my investment back as you noted, but I had to work my tail off to get it done. I got the package with the website, which I have contacted Fortune on several occasions to discontinue before I threatened with legal as well as contacted my card company to flag for additional charges. I was told by my sponsor that I would receive residual income for the rest of the life of the services I sell. I have yet to see one of those residual checks. Unless of course that they meant only if I pay the yearly fee associated with being a member of this group. (around 200USD but I cannot confirm) But how can they do that, I earned the residual regardless of whether I still participate...hmm /ponder

FHTM is a very small marketing tool for all those companies you charged with. Do you honestly think they rely on you and your savior to sell their products? How many hours of the day do you spend trying to convice people to come aboard to the wealths FHTM promotes?

I can honestly say that the products don't sell themselves people. When I was in they promoted Health Cards, a paging service(big demand there), and dial up.

If you are an average Joe who enjoys guilt free sleep then I would not recommend FTHM. Just my opinion......(which by the way is FOS)

Lastly IP addy's are broadcasted with Cable so it far too late for me to be concerned with voicing my opinion.

I probably did not cover a few of your topics, but it's late and I am ready for some "guilt-free" sleep. Enjoy your rest

Nos (initials, not alias)

[MKgirl]

I just wanted to add that two of my family members are involved with Fortune Hi Tech Marketing and are doing very well. My husband and I are going to be signing up as well seeing how well my family is doing. This is not a pyramid scam because you are marketing legitiamate products and services. If these companies (i.e. Cingular, Dish Network, MCI, UUnet, etc) trust Fortune to market for them how can it be a scam? I am not saying that you can just sit back and let the money roll in, it doesn't work that way. You have to be willing to work and do your job - Market products!

[Larry Gargis]

When I hear uninformed people like you it scares me when you open your mouth. You will never succeed in anything. Get you some rest were you can get up and go to you J.O.B. "justoverbroke" We are a *****ful tool for the companies we market MCI local #1 customer gather, Dish Network #2 right behind Radio Shack and we are closing on them. I can tell you are really uneducated to the marketing plan about residual income but go to my website [spam link removed] then you can voice a opinion. Now I hope you get some rest for you J.O.B. journey of the broke. Oh why haven't you called me yet hidind behind you computer (self-promo phone number listing removed).

[CrownDiamond777]

Hi everyone, My name is Florian and it breaks my heart to see people that are so ill informed.I'm the kingd of guy that just doe's not like to sit on the sidelines and so decided to jump in this debate. let me share with you my story. 8 years ago I joined a company and the sponsor was a bit of a crook but that didn't make the company a scam. I listened to the wrong message and ended up not working out. But this didn't stop me seeing the potential of something like that.I saw what the system could do for me -MLM aka Network Marketing is nothing else but GOOD GOSSIP. What do you do if you find a good deal on a product or service that you like and get good value for money? You tell someone else then they go and get the same deal you got and benefit as you did. Now the question is this: DID YOU BENEFIT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM? NO. I realy wish that people that get into anything for that mater would do their home work and only speak the truth. Do you realise (Nos) that you are a DREAM STEALER for some people with possibly more potential than you? If I didn't know the truth about MLM and read what you wrote id be terified to join any company that would actualy take care of my financial future MUCH, MUCH BETTER than anything else out there.

[CrownDiamond777]

Let me give you a brief history of MLM aka Network Marketing:
1934 California Vitamins Direct Sales Company.
They chose to compensate the people who were introducing other people in by giving them a procentage of all the business that they were bringing in
and by doing this, sales increased tremenduosly.
1943 California Vitamins changed their name to Nutrilite Corporation
and they implemented the first Multi Level Compensation Plan. Getting paid on mutiple levels.
1949 to 1959 two distributors got involved with Nutralite Corporation and build a prety big organisation the biggest ever to that point. In 1959 there was a bit of friction between the owners of the company and this two distributors that led to a breakaway if you wish and start their own company.
As a result they started selling soap. They wanted to name it after the American Way abreviated became AmWay. In the first year in business they did $500 000.00. Not bad hey? Now some PYRAMID schemes came about (taht's getting paid for funneling people in not selling product - that's what the difference for MLM you get paid for selling a legitimate product).
1975 Federal Trade Commition sued AmWAy. They thought that Amway is an illegitimate company. Amway battled in court for 4 (four) years and in 1979 they won the case (spent over four million dollars $4000000.00)
So my advice is before you go shooting your mouth off and loking like a jerk
do the research and only then have an oppinion.

[CrownDiamond777]

Now, MLM is the most *****full method of distribution, wich companies choose to use to eliminate the midle retailers and instead of paying the advertizers, they pay the people for their effort. Word of mouth.
Now when someone like you comes along doesn't do the homework, obviously won't make it work and say "Network Marketting doesn't work".
my advise to you is do your homework and take advantage of the most *****full tool for creating wealth in the history of the world and stop working on your boss's dream and start working on YOUR DREAM my name is Florian Ast and you can get in touch with me anytime.

Originally Posted by CrownDiamond777

Now, MLM is the most *****full method of distribution, wich companies choose to use to eliminate the midle retailers and instead of paying the advertizers, they pay the people for their effort. Word of mouth.
Now when someone like you comes along doesn't do the homework, obviously won't make it work and say "Network Marketting doesn't work".
my advise to you is do your homework and take advantage of the most *****full tool for creating wealth in the history of the world and stop working on your boss's dream and start working on YOUR DREAM my name is Florian Ast and you can get in touch with me anytime.

Greetings,

I suppose anyone who is involved in the MLM industry and doign well will be on the pro side, and those who failed will be on the con side. (g) What else is new, this is the it has been since the very beginning, and for good reason, some companies are scams which use the MLM method, and some are not. Coming to a scam forum you will not find too many who are pro, so why are so many trying to promote and defend their specific MLM companies here? You will never convert those who feel MLM is a scam no matter what, so why bother?

Regards, Mike

[Chao]

Originally Posted by Larry Gargis

Nos I know Denson Taylor personally and he is one of the most caring,christian man I know and by the way he is over 50K a month now. I can tell you do not no much about network marketing. One thing Fortune Hi-Tech does not move material.I have been in Fortune now for 4 months and have already made a full year of my previous employment.Remeber how MLM works if someone is making 38k or 50k or whatever that means he or she has helped alot of other people succeed. Denson has personally done this for me he is my personal sponsor. And I will put my real name unlike you NAS my name is Larry Gargis from Alabama.You call him a crook and I quote although I recovered my investment it is a pyramid scheme which you mispelled. Let me ask you do you no what a pyramid scheme is? What you have done now is called Dish Network,Cingular wireless,UUNET,MCI,TTI a pyramid scheme.I have fowarded these companies your mail mabey they can track your IP address and charge you for slander.Point blank dont talk about something you do not have clue about.You cant hold Denson Taylor's Jock strap Larry Gargis Alabama 256-606-0879

Ahahaha. What a lousy shill.

[hdmarketing]

Originally Posted by ARBITRAGE-BETTER

Greetings,

I suppose anyone who is involved in the MLM industry and doign well will be on the pro side, and those who failed will be on the con side. (g) What else is new, this is the it has been since the very beginning, and for good reason, some companies are scams which use the MLM method, and some are not. Coming to a scam forum you will not find too many who are pro, so why are so many trying to promote and defend their specific MLM companies here? You will never convert those who feel MLM is a scam no matter what, so why bother?

Regards, Mike

Mike,

I would like to say that I can see your intelligence.
Yours is the first post in this thread that I see makes any sense at all.

Yes I am active in MLM, and yes I am successful at it, however, I see both sides of the story.

There are in fact some companies that use MLM and are total scams, it is a shame that there are nasty people out there that prey on the innocent.

I am neither defending nor putting down MLM, I am only saying that for some it is a good thing, but for some it is not.

MLM is not for everyone, and I have found in my three years of MLM that what works for some, does not work for all.

Regards,
Donald Lowery

[infohound]

So far it has been extremely hard doing what you suggested but there is some good advice here.

[infohound]

I agree Mike. You are right.

[infohound]

Still waiting for a response here.

C.

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[scambuster]

Originally Posted by Larry Gargis

Nos I know Denson Taylor personally and he is one of the most caring,christian man I know and by the way he is over 50K a month now. I can tell you do not no much about network marketing. One thing Fortune Hi-Tech does not move material.I have been in Fortune now for 4 months and have already made a full year of my previous employment.Remeber how MLM works if someone is making 38k or 50k or whatever that means he or she has helped alot of other people succeed. Denson has personally done this for me he is my personal sponsor. And I will put my real name unlike you NAS my name is Larry Gargis from Alabama.You call him a crook and I quote although I recovered my investment it is a pyramid scheme which you mispelled. Let me ask you do you no what a pyramid scheme is? What you have done now is called Dish Network,Cingular wireless,UUNET,MCI,TTI a pyramid scheme.I have fowarded these companies your mail mabey they can track your IP address and charge you for slander.Point blank dont talk about something you do not have clue about.You cant hold Denson Taylor's Jock strap Larry Gargis Alabama 256-606-0879

MCI??? Not a good example...maybe foreshadowing?

Why in the name of god why wouldn't somebody just call Dish Network on the phone...or go to the local Cingular store? UUNET?? Who buys directly from them? It is an internet backbone...TTI...what is that? Slander? Kinda paranoid, aren't you, Larryboy? Is this not a free country?
Only the most retarded of America's citizens would buy from an MLM what is available at much lower cost and hassle across town.
This eludes me...why would I get cellular service from anybody but the cellular dealer? Would I order an omelet from you? A carwash? Then why a telephone? That is flat out insane. I have no doubt you are making money. No doubt at all. However, I have trouble with understanding where you find people too stupid to shop for themselves.

[scambuster]

Originally Posted by Larry Gargis

Nos I know Denson Taylor personally and he is one of the most caring,christian man I know and by the way he is over 50K a month now. I can tell you do not no much about network marketing. One thing Fortune Hi-Tech does not move material.I have been in Fortune now for 4 months and have already made a full year of my previous employment.Remeber how MLM works if someone is making 38k or 50k or whatever that means he or she has helped alot of other people succeed. Denson has personally done this for me he is my personal sponsor. And I will put my real name unlike you NAS my name is Larry Gargis from Alabama.You call him a crook and I quote although I recovered my investment it is a pyramid scheme which you mispelled. Let me ask you do you no what a pyramid scheme is? What you have done now is called Dish Network,Cingular wireless,UUNET,MCI,TTI a pyramid scheme.I have fowarded these companies your mail mabey they can track your IP address and charge you for slander.Point blank dont talk about something you do not have clue about.You cant hold Denson Taylor's Jock strap Larry Gargis Alabama 256-606-0879

LOL...
Just registered the "slander" thing....

If it's printed, it is LIBEL!

[scambuster]

cingular.com, mci.com, dishnetwork.com. Why go elsewhere? You're now irrelevant.
Is it really worth an extra 30 bucks a month for the "convenience" of not having to drive to town ONCE to start an account? I think not.

[scambuster]

Let's see....a website that is closed to the public, discouraging perusal and price shopping....putting down everybody who is not in on the "opportunity", calling them "dream stealers".....
I can go on and on. Suffice it to say, I should start my own consulting business, advising people on scams. I would stay busy. Very busy.

Anybody want me to dissect the FHTM plan? PM me. I will.

[scambuster]

http://www.amquix.info/Amway_rebuttal.html


Good one. Applies to any MLM, really.

Larryboy, show us an income statement. Of course, you can edit out SSN, etc. All I want to know is how much you make doing this. What is your "real" job?

[scambuster]

Although I despise Wal-Mart, ain't nobody cheaper! why buy from your "friend" with the MLM when you can go to wally world? Makes NO sense. Oh, I know! It's because your "friend" will call you a "loser" or "dream stealer" otherwise! ;)...especially if you don't sign up!!

MLM has ended more friendships than anything else ever could. When you start seeing friends and family as "prospects" and not as "loved ones", you are bound to burn a lot of bridges.

[GiantRobot]

While I agree with your points; I take exception with one...

You claim that "George" is a genius??

Is he a member of Mensa? I think not.

This forum is just a forum, no more, no less; there are a million of 'em all over the Internet, that can be built with cheap software available from phpbb or vBulletin.

This forum has no verification of the entries, nor does it have any protocols to deal with bad claims and accusations made against good companies.

Another thing, this domain of 'scam.com' was a XXX (triple-X) porn site promotion vehicle only a few months ago.

Additionally, it was involved in the 'appropriation' (to not use another word) of unauthorized usernames and passwords for XXX websites.

George is not a genius in my opinion and is in my further opinion some strange fellow.

GR

[Chao]

"Everyone, please be on your best behavior in this board and do not bad mouth.

...

I will be posting a link to a sign-up page where you can give us your payment method and information so that you can continue to access this board."

Let me see, in a website concerning SCAMS we can't badmouth companies that seem scammish?

Requiring payment is even more fun, as that way the consumers get screwed twice. Once by the original company, the other by paying to post on a forum where one can only talk up other corporations. The large amount of shills and lack of moderation when it comes to invading MLM-addicts makes a site like this useless.

[Whitesnake]

Donald Trump was asked "If he had to start over again what would he do?"
His reply, "I would get into MLM and work like hell!"
:D

[Dreamorigin]

I just wanted to let people know that there is a company out here that is NOT a scam and really is out to help people succeed. They do not charge you anything to get started, because lets face it...you don't have to if you have services and products to sell. It is sad how many people lose hundreds and thousands of dollars a day just reaching for an opportunity to live a better life. People should NEVER have to give up their hard earned money unless they are starting a Franchise. That is why this company means so much to me. Anyone who wants to make a decent living from home please visit my site at www.dreamorigin.com and at least read it. I am not trying to sell anything here, I am just letting people know that you should NEVER have to spend money to start with an MLM or Network Marketing Company. That is almost always 100% pure profit for the big guys! I hope everyone has a great day and BE SAFE!http://www.dreamorigin.com

[Chao]

Originally Posted by Whitesnake

Donald Trump was asked "If he had to start over again what would he do?"
His reply, "I would get into MLM and work like hell!"
:D

http://www.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultima...1;t=000808;p=1

From what I've read (can't seem to find the reference right now), Donald Trump once said that if he had to do it all over again, he would have invested in real estate - "Mother Earth," as he put it.

So the folks who tell you about Trump and MLM are full of it (and probably trying to sell you something).

Why the hell would he get into MLM? He's more successful than any person in MLM's entire history has been.

[rocky100]

I had to respond here.

I AM NOT IN FORTUNE HI TECH OR AMWAY OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT PROBABLY.

BUT, here is my opinion.

If a company can offer products and services and no price difference and no service difference, why not? If I can offer the same thing as Cingular does for the same price, is it really a scam or a rip off to my friends and family?

Nextel spent 100 million dollars this year to advertise with the NFL
Nextel spent 100 million dollars this year to advertise with the NHL (NOT EVEN PLAYING THIS YEAR)
Nextel spent 70 million dollars this year to advertise with NASCAR

How much cheaper would their phones or service be if they did not spend that money? So if someone could offer the service for the same price through word of mouth and make a living, wouldn't it be a win-win situation?

NO ONE says you don't have to work hard in network marketing to make money. And you do build a network of people to do the same as you. But you aren't putting up the big investment either.. you are putting up sweat equity in return. A normal franchise these days would cost average of $80,000 dollars versus the normal $500 for most MLM companies.

The problem is people don't research companies to see what they offer or how their compensation plan works before making a decision. They get excited and jump right in because most companies try to get them to join on the spot. So even tho their practices may not be above board, it doesn't shed a good light on their company, it doesn't mean that the company is not legitimate.

And if people understood and were taught correctly that MLM is a 3-5 year game plan at best, then maybe they would not jump in and be gone in 3 months. You do have to work hard. Would you open a Starbucks around the corner and then go to work and not stop by your shop later that night to make sure it is being run correctly? Would you even be able to KEEP a job and START a Starbucks at the same time? But people jump into MLM and skip days or weeks at a time working their business and expect success.

And lastly...building a network is the whole business.. just like starting a small business and hoping to one day franchise it for small royalties off what that person does in their business.. same concept.. you build a business, franchise it and they franchise it and so on and you make a small residual off their customer base..

EDUCATION is the key... not negativity and downgrading each other.

[Sarilo]

Ok first of all Slander is a form of defamation but is only through spoken LANGUAGE not written...you are refering to libel...an absolute defense to a defamation action is the truth...and if one thinks its a rip off he only has to produce one person who doesnt make money...cause to that one person it is a rip off...with that said...it is a pyramid scheme...and while you can make money the whole idea is too sell the idea to others oppose to selling the actual product...Dish Network. cingular, Etc...these schemes are like ponzi schemes in that the first people always make alot of money while the later ones usually dont..this is because they eventually colapse and cause saturation in the market place...I just went to a seminar and the talked of reaching level 8...they ofcourse only drew 1-2 levels...BUT if you sat down and actually drew the pyramid for 8 levels you will run out of paper...i think its about 8,000 people...i talked about not recruiting and just selling the services (which is the reason its not an "actual ponzi" and legal, since theoretically you can make "money" from the services) and was told the amount is minamal...they empasize recruiting...when the concept is more about recruiting then about the actual product it is usually a bad idea.

[Sarilo]

One more thing...whether you like the idea of MLM or not...they are Pyramid schemes..maybe not pyramid scams but definately Pyramid Schemes...I mean the picture of 8 levels forms a pyramid, some might argue its like the Great Pyramid...i do think that if they really made alot of money from the products oppose to the sign-up fee they would want you to join for free...now I know you all will say I want something for nothing, its a way to weed out the bums, but if its about the residual income why do they barely talked about how to sign people up to these services...oppose to signing up other members to the idea

[CrownDiamond777]

to Sarrilo

Budy please do you a favor
Go to the court record and find United States versus Amway
and see for yourself what the truth really is and don't rely on missinformation. you
didn't make it because you didn't have a REASON to make it
to a better future

Florian Ast

[snoop453]

I just wanted to say that the few people that are successful in MLM companies, congrats. But the truth is that if you look in any market out there, there are very successful people. You have to work your way up just like you would with a MLM. The thing that I disagree with is the honesty of the reps. A rep might pull up to you in a jag saying that he makes 20 grand a month so you join, then the rep pulls into his crappy apartment to try and figure out how to make his car payment. I have seen it many times, it worked on me. 90% of these reps don't make as much as they claim, especially after the first of the year.

[snoop453]

I forgot, there is no security. When Excel when bankrupt, the "ballers" were hurting for somewhere to turn. What makes people think that this little company is going to be there for their retirement, highly unlikely. If you don't have at least a million when you retire, your hurting because you don't have any kind of company that is backing you up

[rocky100]

So, what have we learned from this?

This is why people are not suppose to make claims of income in MLM. This is why the attorney general jumps all over reps when they find out that is going on. If you are going to listen to claims of incomes, then you might as well ask to see their 1099 if they have been in over a year or ask to see their last 6 months worth of checks.. at least you will have proof.

If you asked a top money earner, they would usually show it to you anyway..

And as for ballers getting hurt in Excel.. just so you know, the top money earners had already left Excel by the time it hit bankruptcy. Almost ALL of them went to something else at least a year earlier.

They may have been showing face, but they knew what was up.

Get educated on any company you join. Get educated on your upline prior to joining. You will always succeed if you do YOUR due diligence first..

[rocky100]

I just want to address the earlier posts above....

I agree.. companies focused on recruiting more than the product or service is a bad idea.. most companies are like this! That is also why most companies have start up fees or renewal fees every year.... I am fortunate to have found a company that does neither and truly focuses on product and education PERIOD!

Now, as far as pyramid schemes vs scams... forget the bs about the great pyramid etc... show me one form of business, true working government, religious organization that does work on the basis of what you are calling a pyramid... just because it looks like one does not make it one..

EVERY business has a CEO.. even if it is a small "mom and pop" business, there is an owner.. then a manager, then employees.
Or maybe a CEO, CFO, COO, Presidents, vice-Presidents, Directos, Managers, Employees with seniority all the way down to the janitor.. the organization is always bigger at the bottom and smaller at the top and people making smaller money on the bottom than at the top.

RELIGION- Pastor, Elders, servants, congregation.. smaller at the top, bigger at the bottom..

instead of pyramid, why not heirarchy.. the way things are.. the question.. where did you come in, what is your drive, and do you really need an upline to make money? NO! Do the work, leap the hurdles every business has, and get what YOU want out of it.. all you need if guidance.. not a babysitter.

[ddoc3]

Hi this message is for Larry Gargis. I signed up for Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing in December of 2004. Right after signing up I decided to get out within the 10 day refund time. I talked to the person who signed me up (Nick Evans from Madison Wisconsin) and he told me he would personally get me three people on my team so that I would get my money back. So I stayed in. Well its been over 4 months and I'm still out $300. Despite trying to contact Nick Evans whether I email him, call him, or try to catch him in the office he rarely replies to me. I have contacted rep support several times and I continue to do so to this day. Fortune is nothing, but a scam in which unethical business is conducted. I would be glad to discuss this topic with you into further detail. By the way I read one of your posts about slander and how you forward the post to all the companies that Fortune markets for. I think you might want want to look up slander in the dictionary and find out what it takes for slander to be held up in court.

Thanks

[rocky100]

Larry,

I would love to talk to you and your experience with this company.. I am not a part of Fortune but would love to talk to you privately.

[tristarnetwork]

There has been a lot of negative information here about Fortune Hi-Tech and I would have to agree with a lot of the information. The services that they are trying to push are really not services that most people would use: dial up internet, health cards and indentashield...these just don't do it for me and what would seem like most everyone else here and across the U.S. However, the concept seems to work in theory but FHTMs implementation and high startup costs really make it at best, difficult and for the most part, a bit shady. But I wanted to get everyone's opinion on another company called eStar which I have personally signed up for. A lot of their services are comparable, if not very competitive, with going out and buying these services on your own...the only difference is you get paid a little rather than just paying out (a la FHTM) however the services are big step up from FHTM...you have choice of cellular providers (rather than just one), your choice of internet service providers (dial-up as well as DSL and Cable), the Dish Network and a bunch of other services. For me, I know that I already use at least three of these services and wouldn't mind getting paid on these, but I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. I have not invested anything in the company yet as reps can sign up for free...(just takes a little longer to move up the ladder), but that was a big plus for me since I am broke as a joke right now :-)). Well, anyway, here is my personal site...please feel free to hammer it and put it under the microscope...I am really wanting to start building this but wanted to see how it would stand up to the masses...so, here it is, on the line up...let me know what you think....

www.tristar2.estarnetwork.com

Thanks everyone and take care.

A.T.

Member Id "tristar2" blocked.
Is it possible your company has caught on to your spamming?

[militec]

I clicked on the post by Larry Gargis and the site came up account inactive, what happened larry did you finally get a dose of conscience or DID YOU QUIT THE BUISNESS because you were tired of the fake it till you make it lies you were all telling

[rocky100]

Hey Tristar... I definitely wish you the best in your venture. Asking for people's opinions on here is a dangerous turf. I believe if you throw dirt, you lose ground.

I think Estar is a legitimate company with real services people use. I myself up till last year was a top money earner with a service based company.. phone, internet, dish, security, cell phones.

I used all the services, so did a lot of customers, but never the less, when they get hit with a good deal, they would switch.. even family members of people. I was always poisoned against product based companies, so I stayed in the service arena.

Myself and everyone who was in services that left for a product based company said we will NEVER go back to services.. for NO REASON whatsoever. You will never make as much money in services because your residuals are smaller. The fact that your business is free to sign-up- although sounding good in theory- is bad because people are not committed! If people sign up into a company paying hundreds sometimes thousands of dollars and don't do anything whatsoever, what makes people think they will do it when they have NOTHING invested?

But I myself and countless others were top money earners and our monies came from recruiting, not the residuals. So we left. Now, our checks residually with no recruiting bonuses at all, are higher than our previous work.... just something to chew on....

How passionate can you really be about Dish, phone, internet... passionate? Great services yes.. but not something that moves your heart...

[tristarnetwork]

Thanks Rocky100 for the reply. That is exactly what I was looking for. It does seem that most of the compensation does come from recruiting and not from the services themselves. So what products are you currently marketing? And as far as the free sign up, I agree also. No money, no commitment it seems. I am not looking to make a billion dollars but it would be nice to generate 3 to 5 k per month...and the services that are offered via eStar are not items that I have to convince people to buy...they are already buying these things. The only difference is they get a kickback for using these services and for everyone that uses the services also. Thanks for the comments and take care.

[rocky100]

Well, once these people finally got me to be open minded and educated me on product based companies versus service based companies, I did a bunch of research on several different companies.

So, I finally understood and left my company and joined Tahitian Noni Juice. What I thought was that this was a big scam, a snake oil if you will and what I found out was that they had become one of the fastest growing companies of all time, they pay out more than any compensation in the industry, and they have outperformed almost every major company out there including Microsoft, Walmart, Sony, etc...

And they have broken records left and right, they have created 350 millionaires in only 8 years, no other company in history has done this, not even Amway. Herballife set the record by creating 1 millionaire in 14 years, TNI did 350 in 8!

Federal Express set the record for making the fastest billion dollars in 7 years. TNI came along did 1 Billion in 5 years, 2 Billion in 7 years, and they will hit their 3rd Billion this year their 9th.

And they truly pay out .53 of every dollar that comes into the company. Most companies tout they pay 70% or 80% out to distributors, but it is all based on "no breakage" and a perfect scenario. TNI pays out 53 cents of every dollar to a distributor no matter what.. it gets paid to somebody and the company never keeps it, even if there is breakage.

So, a lot of stuff factored in. Plus with a lot of companies, when you get promoted, you have to start recruiting again in your "new" code to get paid more. Well, in this, you keep working with the same people over and over and everyone gets promoted as a team and you never have to start over in a new code.

And the product is sworn by so many people, including myself and my family, and I went into looking into this with a negative attitude... so, it is something people CAN be passionate about, truly helping people.

[tristarnetwork]

Originally Posted by militec

I clicked on the post by Larry Gargis and the site came up account inactive, what happened larry did you finally get a dose of conscience or DID YOU QUIT THE BUISNESS because you were tired of the fake it till you make it lies you were all telling

I did also and you're right, it is inactive. Like I mentioned before, it seems that it works in theory however the services that FHTM offer are not services that people really use. I think the one service that I would consider using is the Dish Network, but that is still a maybe. I'm still lookin' into the eStar opportunity and my upline is a veteran network marketer who was a top earner with Excel Com before they went under. I do realize that it will take effort to build a successful team, but that is one thing that my upline has emphasized time and time again...no pipe dreams, just reality and even if I don't make anything, I really appreciate the honesty. However, aside from that, eStar appears to truly offer products that people really use. For example, with FHTM, if you want Internet, you're limited to dial up...which I stopped using a long time ago. The guy that got me signed up with FHTM encouraged me to sign up for this service which I will never use just so that I could get the email address @fhtm.com for professional purposes. Needless to say, I feel scammed with FHTM and am not actively recruiting for this company...eStar for me offers more opportunity because even if no one ever signed up underneath me, these are services that I still use...broadband internet, Sprint (as well as other carriers), voip phone service, and travel. Needless to say, the service line is more easily marketed. I would still encourage everyone to put it under the microscope. I am straightforward with everyone I talk to about this because mlm has a bad enough rep without me addin' to it. I realize that it will be a team effort to really see a massive income but then again, that is what cooperative marketing is all about. I am really trying to get a solid team together who understand that this will be a team effort. Replies encouraged and appreciated...even constructive criticisms. Take care everyone and I look forward to hearing back from everyone.

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joeizcool2@yahoo.com

[JMP1184]

larry,

have you heard of Skip, tyler, or barry of the Fargo 60K group? (no last names will be given out, but skip should be enough) All three of these guys went to my college, i know them personally and watched them become successful through Fortune. a couple of my buddies have started up doing this, and what I have seen looks promising. i am wanting to start up, but continuely getting screwed by bills and what not. anyways, ive seen the outcome of those who WORK HARD, and the outcome is great, and i wish i was there. Paul Jones has big plans for the Fargo 60K group, and i want in on it asap.

to all the others,

DEFINE pyramid scheme! A pyramid scheme is, first off, ILLEGAL. Secondly, In a pyramid scheme, those who are 'lower' on the pyramid, CANNOT make more money than those 'above' them. Here at Fortune, it IS possible to make more than those you are under, it just takes WORK. This isnt a 'Get-fast-quick' deal, its something that rewards those who know how to work, and are willing to go the extra mile. If you come into this thing thinking your are going to be rich within a few months by doing jack-****, then, you got the wrong company. Like all jobs, you are required to put in your all to earn your money.

JohnMPotter@gmail.com

[Whitesnake]

dear mr potter, your first name ain't harry is it? I cannont believe you have posted such drivel about a company as you talk about this one...Fancy advertising a plot like that on a SCAM site...real clever move that my friend! You want on it asap? that really impresses me, cor blimey guv, where do I sign.
If thats the best you can do in sales patter i wouldn't even bother! You have just made yourself look a right moron but of course you'll believe that you haven't! You think everyone is a dumb- **%$ and gunna jump on your plot 'cos your sales pitch is brilliant - what a prat advertising an opportunity on a Scam site and with words that my 5 year old could come up with....The best of luck but PLEASE clear off and go and impress the kiddies in the Kinderrgarten.. Barry, Skip or Tyler? I've heard of Hop, Skip and Jump, are they related?...get a life!

[wiljus]

My sister is in Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing big time! She states that she is doing great, she is regional and has alot of people in her downline. She is still begging me to join, but I am still hesitant. Can anyone give me input on FHTM that is in the business and is making money.
My sister was already financially stable. I am not. Any response would be appreciated.
Thanks.

[rootdaemon]

I just had Rob Pace (Ohio) invite me to join FHTM and I'm trying to see if it is worth some of my time off, or if it just a scam. I'd really appreciate any feedback on this subject.