ecosov800

[katdaddy]

I've been looking at this ecosov800 has anyone had any experience good or bad w/this place. Seems good on paper but doesn't everything, has anyone had success w/this program? They have a fancy website tons of pre recorded messages all in an effort to get you amped up. The plan seems so easy but I can't find ANY info on these guys. Can anyone give me some info? :confused:


Thanks,


D.

[Trinket]

PLEASE don't fall for ecosov800!!! I lost a FORTUNE trying to build a group in this scam! "Q" is a liar and a crook! It's nearly impossible to find 2 people to join under you and STAY with you. Without (2) partners to stay qualified on a gifting panel, you will NEVER get paid out! After almost 2 years and having spent a FORTUNE on advertising, and countless back-end fees, I STILL did NOT have (2) qualifying partners. They came in, spent money, lost money and finally quit. I couldn't blame them. I know of dozens of people who not only lost their money in ecosov, but their dreams of success, as well.

I can't believe there isn't more dirt on Q and ecosov. Q is one of the few making money. Who ever heard of charging members "membership" fees every six months? This is a prime example of NOT ONLY an illegal pyramid, but illegal gifting, as well. Any form of cash gifting program that is structured and managed is TOTALLY illegal.

Please don't fall for Q and his B.S.

Best wishes
Trinket

[katdaddy]

Thanks for the info it's much appreciated. I talked to this guy Q. & he had an attitude of take or leave it; he really didn't have much to say but I was already skeptical about it. I've been looking around the web for a couple of weeks & can hardly find anything on these guys. I hope more people would let others know the real story about ecosov.



Thanks,

D.

[Honei]

Hi Katdaddy,

I am a current member of ecosov and personally I love it. I just started in November of 2004 and my first month in I made money. No, I am not a professional marketer or nothing of that nature. I am an average 20 (something)year old single parent just trying to make it like everyone else. I'm sorry that Ms. Trinket didn't have any success with the program, but maybe we can get together and discuss some things. I don't believe that anything Q is doing for us is illegal or unethnical. I actually studied the program for about a year before I actually joined. You just really need to study the program for yourself. Read every email you receive and listen to every single call. I just so happen to stumble across this site surfing the web, but I am going to forward it on to some of my team mates and let them give their own opinion of the program if they choose. Just so that you can see that there are others making money in this program. :)

[katdaddy]

Hey, Honei I would very much like to get together and talk some more. If this is such a great program I would think that you would see alot of positive info posted around the web, but you find the exact oppisite. (nothing)

Still very skeptical...


D.

[Trinket]

Honei,
I’m glad to hear that SOMEONE is having success. I, too, received about $5,000 in gifts (it IS a gifting program), but spent so much more than I ever made in advertising, membership fees, and all those monthly back-end fees that empty your wallet at lightening speed!

Q wants you to think it’s “easy” to recruit others. It’s anything BUT. It takes time and lots of money to attract the right people. When I signed up a new partner to replace one that quit, they too, were excited for a few months until they found out what it was really going to cost them to properly promote ecosov. Most people join these “programs” to succeed and make money. MOST of them only take your money.

I know of at least 3 dozen good people who failed in ecosov because they could not afford to keep paying, paying, paying. Who’s pockets got filled? Q’s! That’s who. Those of you who’ve looked at ecosov in any depth know that you must send only CASH as gifts, and money orders to Rabbanisi Dynamics (ecosov’s financial arm).

When I finally had sense enough to quit this “scam”, I had paid out literally thousands of dollars for membership fees, monitor fees, mini website fees, co-op advertising fees, etc. … all to Rabbanisi. I put my whole heart, soul and wallet into ecosov. You have to be a schmoozer (sp?) to get people to join. Unless you are a great recruiter, or have many contacts or warm market to draw from, or even a strong sponsor that will help you get people in your downline, it is nearly impossible to succeed.

It’s also very costly to join, even at the “silver” level. Most folks don’t have that kind of money sitting around to waste. The advertising that is done attracts people who NEED money. So, when you get your leads, those folks don’t have the money. If they can scrape it together, that’s just the beginning of what they will need to spend to promote ecosov.

BTW, "gifting" programs ARE illegal. It's not illegal, of course, to give someone a "gift", however, when it is a structured and organized gifting enterprise, THAT'S illegal.

For anyone who is having success with ecosov, I’m glad for you. For those looking at ecosov, keep looking and pass this one up.

Best wishes,
Trinket

[clabs]

Originally Posted by Trinket

Honei,
I’m glad to hear that SOMEONE is having success. I, too, received about $5,000 in gifts (it IS a gifting program), but spent so much more than I ever made in advertising, membership fees, and all those monthly back-end fees that empty your wallet at lightening speed!

Q wants you to think it’s “easy” to recruit others. It’s anything BUT. It takes time and lots of money to attract the right people. When I signed up a new partner to replace one that quit, they too, were excited for a few months until they found out what it was really going to cost them to properly promote ecosov. Most people join these “programs” to succeed and make money. MOST of them only take your money.

I know of at least 3 dozen good people who failed in ecosov because they could not afford to keep paying, paying, paying. Who’s pockets got filled? Q’s! That’s who. Those of you who’ve looked at ecosov in any depth know that you must send only CASH as gifts, and money orders to Rabbanisi Dynamics (ecosov’s financial arm).

When I finally had sense enough to quit this “scam”, I had paid out literally thousands of dollars for membership fees, monitor fees, mini website fees, co-op advertising fees, etc. … all to Rabbanisi. I put my whole heart, soul and wallet into ecosov. You have to be a schmoozer (sp?) to get people to join. Unless you are a great recruiter, or have many contacts or warm market to draw from, or even a strong sponsor that will help you get people in your downline, it is nearly impossible to succeed.

It’s also very costly to join, even at the “silver” level. Most folks don’t have that kind of money sitting around to waste. The advertising that is done attracts people who NEED money. So, when you get your leads, those folks don’t have the money. If they can scrape it together, that’s just the beginning of what they will need to spend to promote ecosov.

BTW, "gifting" programs ARE illegal. It's not illegal, of course, to give someone a "gift", however, when it is a structured and organized gifting enterprise, THAT'S illegal.

For anyone who is having success with ecosov, I’m glad for you. For those looking at ecosov, keep looking and pass this one up.

Best wishes,
Trinket

Trinket,

I have been looking into Ecosov as well and it does seem that the back end costs end up taking all of your potential profits. If you read all the detailed fine print there are fees for everything and disclaimers that say "other fees may apply. Could you provide a snapshot of what your true costs were and what they were for? I am curious what you actually paid out and what you received in gifts? Thanks.

Clabs

Run away from ecosov800 and Q. It will cost a small fortune to generate any substantial cash in Qs program. From the $950 mini sites (Yes, $950 for 6 months
and then $180 every 6 thereafter) to the monitoring fees, to the $250 monthly advertising co-op (you can't run your own ads), it's more cash flowing out than in.


Bottom line: Run away from ecosov800 and Q.

[Trinket]

tigercity, sorry to hear you fell for ecosov, too. I hope you didn't lose as much as I did! Good advise, though, to Clabs.

Clabs, please follow mine and tigercity's advice; RUN from Q and ecosov!!!!!!

Up until recently, ecosov members had to do their own advertising to get prospects. There were also company adv. co-ops ($250 min. per share), and I found Q's co-ops produced real crappy leads. Most folks were on the edge of poverty!! Those who were serious and had bucks were real skeptical about gifting programs. I found that to be a major hurdle. (Gifting programs really ARE illegal in the U.S.).

Now I understand that Q no longer allows members to do their own advertising and that they MUST pay a min. of $250 per co-op share per month to get any leads. How many quality leads do you think you will get for $250/month? Based on my experience, you will have to spend at least $500 to $1,000 per month, every month if you are serious. (But who knows what you'll get.... Q's in charge).

Here's a summary of my 2 painful years in ecosov:

Member fees: $1,050
Monitor fees: $1,250
Advertising: $14,646
Auto responder, 800# and website: $2,689
Mailing costs: $908
Long distance phone charges: $525
Initial gifts to others: $1,700

TOTAL: $22,768

Okay.... NOW, here's what I got BACK in GIFTS: $4,500 !!!!!!!!!!

That puts me in the HOLE to the tune of $18,268!!!!!

I know, you're saying to youself, "Trinket, how could you be so STUPID?"

Well, looking back, I realize that I fell for Q's BS. I believed that I would eventually get a group who could also build a group and we would all be on our way to financial freedom. I thought it was just me, until I found a way to get in touch with others outside my group and then things became crystal clear. NO WAY was I going to succeed with this thing. MOST folks can't afford to stay in a program that is NOT producing anything but debt. I failed after putting some very serious money into this.

I have a strong sales background and enjoyed talking with people. Still, I could not get but a few people to join me due to their skepticism. I also could not truthfully tell them I was successful, because I wasn't (I'm a terrible liar). I just couldn't lie to people and that's really what you have to do. When they find out about it, though, you will no longer be trusted. How can anyone build a business based on lies, half-truths and omissions? Well, Q can do it..... he's BEEN doing it now for 7 years.

That's how Q became so wealthy. Out of that $18,268 LOSS above? This is how much was sent to Q: $10,253

Fees for this, fees for that, useless co-op advertising. His co-ops are lousy because he spent as little as possible and the rest went in his pocket.

Q cares ONLY about Q and those that will keep sending money.

I hope this helps you. It was a bit painful to type those numbers above. I am still paying off the debt I ran up. I'll be paying it off for sometime now.

Please STAY AWAY from Q and ecosov. He will cause you nothing but heartache, unless you can get him to put you in HIS group!! (LOL!)

Trinket

[clabs]

Trinket,

Thank you for being so honest about your experiences. I know it is probably very difficult to be so forthcoming & admit your mistakes but you should be commended for doing whatever you can to help others like myself avoid "Q & his B.S.". You and I seem to be very similar. I also am in sales and have difficulty lying to others. It is extremely important to me to maintain my integrity and to sleep at night. Q, on the other hand, is probably the same individual who gets all dressed up on Sunday, goes to Church and acts like he is in the running for "Person of the Year". Q will eventually fall I assure you. I have seen it too often. Having managed many salespeople, those that lacked integrity & ethics always got what they deserved.

You're a good person Trinket and I strongly believe that good guys eventually come out on top. Stay strong, keep the faith and thank you again for being so open and honest about your experiences with "EcoScum"

Clabs

[Trinket]

Hi Clabs,
Oh, that's good! EcoScum! (LOL!).

Thanks for your kind words; it really made me feel better; I sleep even better now that I know I've saved another person from "Q"! The only reason I started posting here is I just had to try to help others AVOID this "farce program".

ecosov is carefully structured to provide a steady income for Q. End of story.

Thanks, again Clabs......appreciate it very much. :-)

Sincerely,
Trinket

That puts me in the HOLE to the tune of $18,268!!!!!

-- WOW! I didn't do that badly with ecosov800. I got out way
before any serious damage was done.

I hope everyone who reads this post about ecosov800 heeds the advice
that's been given here. I do understand that I'm just a stranger to you
all, but the reality of it is is that on the outside ecosov800 looks great.
Fancy websites. Tons of pre recorded calls to help with the prospecting.
But once you're inside, its completely different. Do your own due diligence.
If you do make a move, go with Silver (lowest level) and upgrade only if
you see results.

Good Luck , Tim

PS: If you're wanting to check out another gifting program where
100% of the cash comes to you (no ongoing/surprise fees of any kind),
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Deuteronomy 8:18 - ***** TO GET WEALTH

Christopher:

This post is about cash gifting, particularly ecosov800. Your
post contributed nothing to the conversation. If you wish to
discuss your real estate biz, start a new post elsewhere.
Thanks!

Tim

[Q-2-Da-Rescue!]

ecosov.800 - - - FYI

The following FYI is being posted to inform, protect and educate all those like-minded individuals who think outside-the-box and are sincerely interested in learning more about ecosov.800 as a means to substantially increase their livelihood. This FYI and others will be posted from time to time to give you accurate information, which is based on FACT and not emotion, hearsay or lies, so that you can make a proper and informed decision. Thank you.



Hey...

It's Q!

Before I get to spanking the babies, let me say this...

I don't post long threads.

I'm waaaay too busy.

I hit people with simple facts and I'm gone!

So you won't see me posting a hundred of these things to answer anyone's rebuttle.

Here's how I serve...

When it comes to cash gifting, I'm top dog...PERIOD!

In the past 7 years, I've personally helped over 6,500 people make anywhere from $4,000 to $100,000 CASH from home without a job.

I've helped people to quit their jobs.

I've helped people put their kids through college (not my recommendation), but nonetheless I did it.

I've helped people put food on their table, take care of their kids,
and get out of debt.

I have people on my team who have been with me for 3-7 years...

That says something!

But ok...

I'm done.

Back to working for a loving!

Like I said earlier...


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[mywealth]

Originally Posted by tigercity

Christopher:

This post is about cash gifting, particularly ecosov800. Your
post contributed nothing to the conversation. If you wish to
discuss your real estate biz, start a new post elsewhere.
Thanks!

Tim

Tim,

I have been in Cash-Gifting for past 3 yrs & 1/2.... I don't
do anything else.

Thank you,
Christopher

Q: You're way too funny! You start off stating "I don't post long threads"
and then go on to the do the exact opposite. That's the way it is with you isn't? Say one thing and then do the exact opposite?

Like when you said you'd return my $750 after you found out I was
speaking to other ecosov members about my program. Where's the
$750 Q? No money order via FedEx ever arrived. Like you said it
would? Hmmm... Say one thing and then do the exact opposite?

How about another one....

How about when I called you to get started in ecosov and asked
you personally if there were any additional costs. You said no.
Next day I find out you charge an outrageous $950 for six months
worth of use for your mini-sites. Say one thing and then do the
exact opposite?

See a pattern here.

You should.

[Q-2-Da-Rescue!]

ecosov.800 --- FYI

The following FYI is being posted to inform, protect and educate all those like-minded individuals who think outside-the-box and are sincerely interested in learning more about ecosov.800 as a means to substantially increase their livelihood. This FYI and others will be posted from time to time to give you accurate information, which is based on FACT and not emotion, hearsay or lies, so that you can make a proper and informed decision. Thank you.



Hey!

It's Q again.

This will be my last post until next year.

Here's the latest ecosov testimonial call:

"Diamonds From Michigan!"
1 (618) 355-1153 (24 hours)

And...

To answer your reply "tiger city", I DON'T post long threads.

A T-H-R-E-A-D is exactly that.

It's not one or two posts...

It's a (series) of posts where people argue back and forth and waiste time or they have a lot time to sit around and chit chat online instead of being productive.

How many "thread" counts are in egyptian cotton?

You probably don't know, but the top of the line luxury cotton is usually at about 600 to a 1,000 thread count.

So my point again is that a thread is not made up of one or two...

Who would read the same two posts everyday?

NO CONTENT!

(laughing...)

It's just not needed.

One or two posts and you won't hear from me again.

Like I said in my earlier posts...

If anyone has a beef, they have my number.

Here it is again: 1.888.289.9621 ext. 103.

Let's record a conference call, so we can allow the world to hear the truth.

And...

Yeah I got your voicemail.

But that's not a recorded call between us and witnesses that the world can hear.

Very cowardish.

Also, the truth of the matter, if you wanna tell the story correctly...

You called Customer Service back and said that you didn't want the money, so your FedEx was stopped mid transit.

We have you on recording and we'd be happy to play it for you or anyone else who wants to hear it.

You like to leave angry voicemails.

That's your style and that's why you're not successful.

Too much wasted ******.

But you know the truth.

You know what REALLY happened.

Listen...

Do yourself a favor and go make some money for you and your family.

You're really waisting everybody's time and your time could be spent more wisely and productively by serving your family.

This is Q!

I'm gone.

tsk.. tsk.. tsk.. Q What am I going to do with you?
You avoid my calls (from earlier and in the past) and
now you say I'm a coward. OK.. whatever.

[tercetlyconstituent]

im not even in ecosov, but i know that its still running so,


im not even IN the company!
but 7 years and still running?
no, um "drugbust" so to speak?
no um, like AGENTS running up in st lucia's?
i havent heard of it...
the numbers tell the truth...

im a heavy hitter.
knowledge-wise. ive lost a ton of money.
HEY im not even IN ecosov!
Q doesnt even RESPOND to my calls about the company!

so um, i dont even KNOW if he will like, let me join!
but its cool, cause
i know!
that...
whatever you do,
will come back to YOU.
ALWAYS.
so tiger,
DONT TRIP aka DONT WORRY if Q has done you wrong,
dont EVEN WORRY that people dont know!
cause guess what...
in the mlm bible,
IT WILL COME BACK TO HIM and,
if he did do you wrong,
Q knows.

im an impartial party.
but i will listen to the call.
and , yes im researching the company.

so let it come back to him!
and im already seeing that
it is.
(see what i was saying , 'yo?')
TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVENT FIGURED IT OUT.

i guarantee in life, if you do THIS
it will change your life.

LOSE YOUR LIFE for others.
DO GOOD when others scam the HELL out of you.
DONT DO IT BACK!
and youwill see
a return of
ten fold?
naw..
twenty!
nope.
70 times 7.
return good for scamaholic individuals.
let the truth speak.

it always does, and
THE truth shall set you free.
this has been tercetly constituent...
im still a youngun in this mlm/cashgifting, etc game so i got a lot to learn,
always do.
...
i know that i speak the truth.
the PROOF is in
...
look im running out of time but,
"if the truth be told, the youth can grow."
im all about CHANGE in this world, NOT JUST MONEY.
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY types NEVER MAKE IT.
they just FAIL
OVER and
OVER
and
OVER.
free tip:
when you combine PEOPLE , their WELFARE, their LIVES with money?
thats the magic in motion.

and NOT SELF! self LAST people FIRST>?
thats how people succeed AND AT THE SAME TIME,
are ABLE to LOOK THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR
every morning, noon and night.
thats real success right there.
and LASTLY
please overlook my um imperfections in this post,
i dont have a whole lotta time...i got so much in my own life to deal with,
and i dont care what anyone says,
i know i do have enough time to,
type this sub-par post just in case,
maybe ONE person might have learned from it!
(even if that one person is me?) its all good.
none of us are perfect in this "game."
we need to , each one teach one. STOP all this bull**** nonsense!!!
outtro...
tYc.

[Trinket]

Oh, this is just too funny! "Q" got wind of some negative posts about ecosov and just couldn’t resist putting one of his old, tired auto responder “teasers” in here!?! He must be getting desperate for sign-ups! LOL!

I truly hope that anyone doing their DD finds their way in here to see what former ecosov members have to say about Q and ecosov. He's still spewing his BS and doesn't give a rats a_ _ about how many broken dreams he's responsible for. (Directly or indirectly).

In the meantime, I think I’ll track down some of my former counterparts that failed in ecosov and see if they will post a brief summary of their experience in ecosov. This could get very interesting. Very interesting, indeed.

Trinket

[clabs]

Things that make you go Hmmm? Isn't amzing that Ecosov promotes a co-op for generating and sharing leads yet the road always seems to end with Q? What are the odds of that? I also, find it amusing that Q would tell Tim (aka "tigercity") to stop wasting his time posting threads yet HE continues to do the very same thing.
Q, if your are making soooo much money, why do you care about (3) people posting threads on this website concerning Ecosov. Take your own advice. "You're really waisting everybody's time and your time could be spent more wisely and productively by serving your family."

P.S. I guess spelling isn't a necessary requirement for cheating people out of their hard earned money!!!!

[katdaddy]

You know when I started this post I was just looking for alittle insight on ecosov, the whole time being skeptical. I've never had any experience w/this sort of internet program. (if you can call it that)

I'm so glad that you guys are exposing this clown Q. who always seems to have sort of sorry rebuttle for the damage he's doing to people who are just trying to make an honest buck w/an unhonest system.

If you guys can contact a few others that have been burned by ecosov to post their failure that would be fantastic, & watch how fast your boy Q. will stop posting his lies :D

Bro, if you have this much talent to come up w/an elaborate scam like this, why can't you come up w/an honest program???

Q. I have a few words from the Good Book:


"The truth will set you free"

[clabs]

Here are some additional posts I found on Ecosov. I could not fit it all so I deleted some of of it but here is the link:

http://www.papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/16583/13643.html?1088781209

Is there anyone who has had success with this program?




By DB on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:57 pm:
Has any one heard of this. http://www.super-cashflow-system.com/main.htm#


By against gifting on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:00 pm:
It's gifting or a "pyramid" being the exact word. The guy that runs it (Mr Q.) will recruit you, get you to pay the entry fee (minimum $750) then when you join their co-op advertising he breaks into each individuals voice mail box and steals the leads, literally. He has a reputation of being referred to as the "Gifting Nazi". Even some of his loyal followers only make between $30,000 - $60,000 per year, no where near what he himself is making. He does not work out of the Bahamas either, he is in the Chicago area. Gifting is illegal and if the feds catch up with you it's going to be a huge problem unless like "Mr. Q" you can establish a false indentity. Don't get involved.



By sagesteve on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:09 pm:
Stay away from Mr. "Q". I know him...in fact, I helped him early on ( 10 years ago when he lived in New York) to get started. He and I used to talk on the phone for hours...he picked my brain.

He's probably back by now...but DID have his mail run through the Bahamas. It was a supermarket/mall drop!!

He has become a BRILLIANT marketer. Gifting, again...is ILLEGAL.

FastCash got shut down by the FEDS a few weeks ago...it ran for a year and people did make a killing. It doesn't mean it was right.






By G (Gmonitor) on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 02:29 am:
Dear Friends,

Lets all join ecosov.800 !!!

If you are a person, who wants to join ecosov.800, who would love to join ecosov.800, who have already listened to all, or almost to all the recorded calls, who understands, how the system works, who understands the importance of participating in ecostream, and yet...... you are not joining now, because you DO NOT have the cash needed to step up, to join with the Gold Package.

Then, please...... by all means, send me an e-mail as soon as possible..we may need to work together, OUR WAY UP to ecosov.800 !


By G (Gmonitor) on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:04 am:
Lets all join ecosov.800 !!!



- G -


By Stephen T. Daugherty (Sagesteve) on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 07:16 am:
Yes! By ALL means join this pyramid scheme and continue to make "Mr. Q" mountains of cash.

GEEZ!

ANYTIME you have a "feeder" program to "get to the top"?...you KNOW it's not right! PERIOD.

Don't have the $2,000? They'll even ask you BORROW it through a finance company...Oh yeah, that'll work. For THEM not you!

I'm not going to come in here and waste my time writing 1,000's of words of WHY you shouldn't join this program...just know this--DON'T JOIN this pyramid scheme, you WILL lose your money. OK?!!

The PROS in this field always look for "New Blood" and that's YOU!!!!!!

There is NO doubt that the creators of programs like this make A LOT of CASH...that's why they continue to do it. It's illegal...Period. ILLEGAL.
Enough said.



By G (Gmonitor) on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 04:00 pm:
Sage are you really retired?

Why all this contradictions in your posts?




GEEZ!



By sagesteve on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:00 am:
" I'll just tell you this...I've been gifting for 8 years now. The secret is to just DO IT. At first you're scared to death. THEN the more you do it, the better you get and then BINGO!!

Cash like crazy. I maybe do about 2 to 4 hours a WEEK of talking with people. I use Fax Blasting like crazy ( It works despite what anyone will tell you!!)
Bottom line? In eight years I have a little over 3 million dollars in CASH!! I've gotten VERY good on the phone and I write KILLER ads.
There is ALWAYS new blood and OLD blood that just doesn't give up. I can't tell you how many people I will get into my programs and they have been BURNED many many times...it doesn't deture them!! It's amazing. I got a guy onboard last week for $10,000 to ME and he has lost over $85,000 over the years in gifting!! Interesting huh? I've learned the "psychology" of greedy people...so basically I can pick up the phone and get CASH anytime I want.

I close down from October to the middle of January and I don't do squat from June to August. In other words, I DON'T WORK!! LOL

Despite what anyone will tell you, this stuff works when you LEARN how to do it. It's "magic" marketing and it's the same thing time after time once you learn it...there ain't nothing new. Just good solid marketing techniques! OLD techniques that are tried and true. "




By sagesteve on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 02:05 pm:
" WRONG!!
It is a TOTAL misconception about the legality of Gifting programs. It depends on the Attorney Generals of various states-- and there in lies the rub!They have a heck of a time trying to "govern" over state lines!Soooo, they leave it alone. ( You'll always have those few "raids" and trials to make an "example"...FEW and FAR between)

You really can't control cyberspace because basically... nothing is there. It's when you have physical meetings that you get into trouble. The police will just wait outside the meeting house, make a "raid" and basically slap people on the wrist and say "don't do it again"...they WILL go after the big fish if they can for TAX EVASION!! NOT a "gifting" program...because the REAL law IS...gifiting is legal when done properly. In cyberspace what is to stop ANYONE from GIVING a GIFT?! As long as it's $11,000 and under to the receiver.
The "legaleeeze" comes in from recruiting...this is where the law grays and they have a REAL problem with conviction!
To compare "gifting" with drug dealing etc. is ludicrous because you are doing actual HARM...when gifting is done properly, the person that gets involved knows full well what to expect. Almost ALL of my people are trained by me and at least recover their gift and many more go on to FORTUNES. "




By ptmarketing on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 08:04 pm:

" Sagesteve is 100% correct with what he is saying: most well-organized gifting programs have contracts you sign and no one twists anyone's arm to join. "





"tenacious...boy! You REALLY don't know squat!
You DON'Y have to report ANY gifting GIFT as long as it's under $11,000!!(Nope! It ain't $10,000 anymore)...as long as it's from one individual it doesn't make ANY difference HOW many!!

You just keep inside the BOX brother....I'll continue being a multi-millionaire ( I'm 56 and I retired when I was 32 )...you tell me.

I'll tell YOU...you'll never make it to the big time with your thinking. You'll continue to "excuse" your life...I can tell by the way you write and think. ....."



By sagesteve on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 11:44 am:
I know Muhammad, Mr. "Q", of ecosolv800. It WAS BTS 6 years ago. He's out of the Bahamas...marketing GENIUS!!!! He makes a ton...YOU lose a ton etc.






By G (Gmonitor) on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 06:04 am:
Lets all join ecosov.800 !!!



- G -



By Stephen T. Daugherty (Sagesteve) on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:43 pm:
Your POINT?

Yes! I obviously know of which I speak. I'VE DONE IT!!! I just couldn't take peoples money anymore. I was a PRO and I can still pick up the phone today and generate $2,000 per call. Yes, I've been retired a long time now and have "played" at gifting...only to find out that IF you have a conscience...you CAN'T do that to people...so give it up NOW!

"You really can't control cyberspace because basically... nothing is there. It's when you have physical meetings that you get into trouble. The police will just wait outside the meeting house, make a "raid" and basically slap people on the wrist and say "don't do it again"...they WILL go after the big fish if they can for TAX EVASION!! NOT a "gifting" program...because the REAL law IS...gifiting is legal when done properly. In cyberspace what is to stop ANYONE from GIVING a GIFT?! As long as it's $11,000 and under to the receiver.
The "legaleeeze" comes in from recruiting...this is where the law grays and they have a REAL problem with conviction!
To compare "gifting" with drug dealing etc. is ludicrous because you are doing actual HARM...when gifting is done properly, the person that gets involved knows full well what to expect. Almost ALL of my people are trained by me and at least recover their gift and many more go on to FORTUNES. "

Look at EXACTLY what I said here...CYBERSPACE!! It's impossible to convict because of INTERNATIONAL laws ( why do you think Q is in the Bahamas!!!!)...and YES, the people I trained did go onto fortunes...and every single one of them GAVE GIFTING UP!!!!!! They too saw the light. THEY have a conscience.

The final answer here ( because I DID do it [past tense]and know it inside out)...it's easy to rob a Wells ***o delivery bank truck and steal $100,000 in CASH in 1 minute. Easy money for sure...BUT, look at the consequences! You eventually go to jail OR someone gets shot and dies. Gifting is NO different! SOMEONE gets hurt. PERIOD!

Funny how you guys come in here and try to SELL something. I have never tried to sell anything in the Notes Lounge ( I have MANY products )...I just give great advice. And yes, I am for real...ask the people that email me for advice.

They call me the SAGE for a reason.

[texas2long]

Let me say this about ecosov800. Don't bother. This and ever so-called program only works if everyone plays, people are smarter than that. After you give your money to them it up to you to get people to sign up. I spent hundreds in mailing to get people to sign up. Nothing, you here from other people signing up people but do you really know. This is just like all the other crap that I get in the mail, throw it away. The only one who is getting rich on this is the one at the top, who is not even in the USA.

[Trinket]

Texas2long, you are entirely correct. Despite my previous posts, I DO know a few people who have been successful with ecosov. However, they must continually recruit to replace those folks who drop out. (It's a full-time job!) Unfortunately, the drop out rate far exceeds the replacement rate for most and they can never get into profit. It costs A LOT of money to promote and it is money that is constantly streaming out of your pocket.

I am surprised that more former ecosov members who failed have not posted here. I even contacted 26 former members via email and encouraged them to post their experiences here to help those looking at ecosov, and am very disappointed that there are no posts here from even ONE of them. I suppose that they just want to put a painful and expensive failure behind them and move on.

So, in closing, ecosov is just another gifting program where a few succeed on the failure of all the other poor saps, myself, included.

I'm now moving on. I finally found something that is structured for the long-term and will stick with that.

I hope my contribution will be helpful to others looking at ecosov and will just pass it up.

I wish all of you success in your present and future endeavors!

Sincerely,
Trinket :)

[clabs]

Trinket,

I sent you a private message. Could you read and get back to me. Thanks.

Clabs

[tercetlyconstituent]

Would you be willing to place your email address on this forum so that people can email you with similar experiences to ecosov?
i am currently trying to talk with people who had a bad experience with the company and find out what their testimonial is on it.
"it seems that"
...let me stop talking.
t.y.c

[tercetlyconstituent]

(Q i have copied and pasted your "rebuttal" and i have added some inserts to it to let you know just what i think of your post which honestly did not really truly answer anyone's question...it was just maybe a rich man that was so tired of just "a little" bit of opposition...)? Question, not implication..

ecosov.800 - - - FYI

The following FYI is being posted to inform, protect and educate all those like-minded individuals who think outside-the-box and are sincerely interested in learning more about ecosov.800 as a means to substantially increase their livelihood. This FYI and others will be posted from time to time to give you accurate information, which is based on FACT and not emotion, hearsay or lies, so that you can make a proper and informed decision. Thank you.



Hey...

It's Q!

Before I get to spanking the babies, let me say this...

(ok, i'll ask. what do you mean, spanking the babies?..?)

I don't post long threads.

I'm waaaay too busy.
(doing what?... so, since im posting on here, im a loser, right? since im on here like more than twice, im like, what...not productive? since im posting on here, then im wasting my time ?)
I hit people with simple facts and I'm gone!
(Hit us with what? what facts. ? How can they BE VERIFIED.?)

So you won't see me posting a hundred of these things to answer anyone's rebuttle.

Here's how I serve...
(Im not gonna um....SAY something's FACT just cause "top dog" said it, now am i? cause, i AM asking the question!!!)

When it comes to cash gifting, I'm top dog...PERIOD!

In the past 7 years, I've personally helped over 6,500 people make anywhere from $4,000 to $100,000 CASH from home without a job.
(who? where do they live, or their emails? uh...can you get at least like, 10 percent of those people to post their emailaddresses? how bout...1 percent. 2 percent. something! im not being facetious...im bein real! cause im really INVESTIGATING and doing due diligence like i should!!!)
I've helped people to quit their jobs.
(like who?)
I've helped people put their kids through college (not my recommendation), but nonetheless I did it.
(Again...like...?)
I've helped people put food on their table, take care of their kids,
and get out of debt.
(hm....who would that be? i dont see any NAMES, emails? do i? uh, maybe im blind, hold on...does ANYBODY see anything like that in this post?)

I have people on my team who have been with me for 3-7 years...
(uh...ok. WHO?)
That says something!
(no it doesnt, it just says that...you said it and we "supposed to" take it as fact.)
But ok...

I'm done.
(be done, and also still havent proved a thing.)
Back to working for a loving!

Like I said earlier...


IM positively CALLING YOU OUT SO .... YOU WILL EITHER "STICK TO YOUR WORD " CAUSE YOU SAID, "THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST TILL NEXT YEAR" OR...
YOULL BE FOR THE PEOPLE AND RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE SO PEOPLE CAN GET A CLEARER DETAIL OF WHAT THIS COMPANY'S ABOUT..
Im doin this for the little guy/the love of the people, for the public's knowledge....so,and also for my own reasons that you already know. uh, so...

Having said all that, maybe Q can't return a phone call but maybe he CAN reply to a post?

i got all day.

[tercetlyconstituent]

i want facts about ecosov and its success.
VERIFIABLE facts by REAL PEOPLE not just,
"a bunch of jargon." so, if anyone can put me in touch with
REAL people, REAL emails of people who are successful? if there are 6500?
where in the hell are they? how come theyre not here? im not saying they dont exist! but uh, dont you think ecosov would be way more of a phenomenon if it was such a huge success??? or maybe
corporate america just "hates" ecosov so much, you just dont see anything on them...
look.
Q i am inviting you again.
calling you out. im not chicken **** never was never wil be, i just cant i wasnt created like that. so , let me stand firm in MY FOUNDATION and say,
whats the tern and tension. ? whats the deal?
if you are for the people really and not just in protecting your "good name" so to speak, then you will reply. actions speak, not just money. or figures, or numbers, or a few testimonials of people from your group.

im just trying to make money here, meaning actual dollars that i can spend to buy things at the store and things, for my family... so that is my motive. i dont care about anything else.. and um..trying to find out THE TRUTH
and verify it, not just
"go on faith>" as Q states.
cause, last i checked,
um, we gotta believe but there has to be work backing it up...and facts.
if you can't back it up,
then does it really exist? where are the testimonials?
...
im waiting...maybe Q...doesnt have enough time for even me or for anyone else.
maybe thats why...he cant post on here.
so I say to you, Q...
if you are reading this? if youre not gonna answer back at least one of these questions?
then you really are wasting my time, so...
or if not Q? then where are his reps?
represent for him then if q really is busy serving! wheres your emails!
i will Hit them up meaning, i will email somebody back.
good or bad, i wanna talk PEOPLE not just nonsense.
out.
tyc.
I DONT CARE IF ANYONE IS READING THIS.
all i know is that Q is, so...knowing that,

[tercetlyconstituent]

ok maybe ill do my due dilligence.
listen to ALL the calls.
ok i will.
out.
tyc.

tercetlyconstituent:

If you've done your due diligence, you know already that
Q has no fans in this forum... or anywhere for that matter.
At least no one has stepped up to the plate to acknowledge
themselves as an individual who has had success working
ecosov800. Odd isn't it? That Q self promotes himself as
being a person who has helped X number of people and not
one of those people have backed him up.

The short of it is that ecosov800 is tilted to favor Q. Not the
average person coming aboard. Boards/Panels to fill. $950 rental
fee for mini sites for the 1st six months. 10% monitoring fee. $250
monthly requirement for advertising. (If you don't participate, you
don't get leads. If you don't get leads, you can't generate cash).

All of the above spells "CASH OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND INTO Qs".

Send me a private message and/or email if you're genuinely interested
in program where 100% of the cash goes to you.

Tim

[Trinket]

Hello again, my friends. Couldn't resist visiting again with my comments on posts since my last visit.

First, tercleyconsituent, why are you still wasting time on ecosov? You CAN'T verify any success from ANYONE in that program. Unless you or your sponsor is successful, you have no facts. You can't even get started for under $1,000! The only success stories you will hear are from "Cheryl J.", and one or two "newbies" who got lucky with their "warm market". I had a great start, too and thought I was on my way. When your "recruits" don't have the same success and start dropping out, you are in deep dodo. It's a recruiting nightmare! You only need "two"? Yeah.... if you can KEEP them. When they quit, you start all over again AND again AND again.

There is no true "due diligence" with ecosov. You only get what Q wants you to hear and it's mostly rubbish. He's a marketing guru and has gotten very good at his sales pitch (and very rich). That's what it is, you know. A GREAT sales pitch from a guy no one has ever laid eyes on and hides his name behind an initial.

How can you ever trust a guy who hides from you?

Anyone out there considering ecosov. RUN the other WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Trinket

[Eg-N]

All you whiner losers out there, I can't believe what I,m reading here. You type of people can,t make it in any type of mlm or home bizz because your failures.
If you put half as much ****** into Ecosov or any other program as you do on these nonsense scam sites, you'd be making lots of money.

Which by the way these sites have negative comments on just about every mlm or home bizz out there cause there people like you that get into these programs and sit there and wait for others to help you along. Then when you make nothing you cry like hurt pig.

Then I read here of all the money you spend to do the bizz. If you worked smart ( Oh I forgot I'm talking to failures ) you won't need to spend a fraction of what your ( claiming ) to spend.

I'm currentl'y in Ecosov since the end of april and have made more money that would make you want to ( WHINE ) some more.

Oh by the way Listen to ( 618-355-1153 ) it's me on there. The one who doesn't ( Whine for a living ) but the one who does follow the program and makes it happen.

E.L.

[Proof Positive]

To Tercetlyconstituent:
You asked for it, so here it is.
I have been in ecosov800 for 6 weeks now. In that time I have gotten my investment back 4 fold. Not only myself but 3 others under me have gotten at minimum the initial investment back. I did my DD a month befor I got in. Since then, and up to today, I have not found anything Q has said or put on the website to be to be anything but the truth. There are no hidden costs, you are not required to particapate in any advertising if you don't want. All the costs are laid out before you join, if you have a problem with the costs then don't get in. If you treat this as a business you will succeed. I have been in many MLM companies over the past 15 years, I finally found one that is all its says it is. Proof Positive.

[Whatthe]

Wow!!!

I hope you understand that my username will say it all :( I have been looking at ecosov for about 3 weeks now, I've listen to all the calls , looked at the website, and I am still in disbelief that this could work in a way that "Nothing" is going on in the background, thats not making you lose your money. But enuff about that, any one can email me or call, with positive or negitive info on this company.

Contact: 623-329-4573

[Trinket]

To Eg-N, I beg your pardon, “Mr. Arrogant & Obnoxious”, like I said previously, there HAS to be some successful people in ecosov or it would be long gone by now. (I bet you had a warm market, didn’t you? Or Q sponsored you; Don’t lie, now!)

I did EXACTLY what Q’s marketing guidelines suggested. I listened to ALL the recorded calls and participated regularly in the weekly conferences. I was driven and commited. I put serious money into advertising of all types. I know how to talk to people, but the difference is that I REFUSE to LIE to people about my success. I was only able to sponsor a few in 15 months. I worked with them & supported them, but you can’t get blood out of a stone. They quit because they couldn’t get anyone to join and I was not able to put people under them. Not ONE of those folks had a “warm market”. I didn’t, either. I was constantly replacing people to stay qualified on panels.

If you have a large, warm market of people, that’s your BEST chance to succeed with ANY MLM. (That "warm market" goes stale after awhile, though).

And, if people do NOT participate in Q’s advertising and have no warm market, how do they have a chance? I understand that members are no longer allowed to do their own advertising.

Ecosov is just another gifting program that 95% of people will FAIL in, no matter how hard they work at it. At some point, when it’s not working, we have to move on.

In closing, Eg-N, I'm glad to hear of someone succeeding in ecosov, but watch who you're calling a loser! Folks take serious offense at that and we are entitled to post our experiences here -- good or bad. Is that how you recruit? Using intimidation techniques? You have NO class! See the post from "Proof Positive". Now, HE has class! He didn't call us "losers and whiners"; he nicely posted his positive experience. (I'm glad for you, Proof Positive!)

'nuff said!

I have to jump in here... just to give my 2 cents.

Trinket, I agree with your comments on how rude and
abrasive Mr Eg-N was and how professional Proof Positive
was.

Eg-N, I can only assume that classifying the folks on the
forum as "losers and whiners" somehow makes you feel better
about yourself. I in particular, am not a "loser". My self confidence,
self esteem and levels of success are too high to be considered
anything of the like.

And yes, I did listen to the 618 recording. You've had a little
taste of success with ecosov800 with Q giving you one person
and you bringing in your friend as your 2nd. (BTW.. he is your
friend right? Because you refer to him on the recording as the
puppy (?) who follows you around from program to program)?

Now considering your up-front costs (Gold entry $1950, marketing,
etc..) I'd say that you're beginning to recoup some of your investment
with the $8K or so that you've received (or do have to take ecostream
and Qs 10% kick back out of that amount?) Either way, $8K puts
you off to a good start and I do hope that the run continues
for you. In the meantime, please do sway from calling people
you don't know "losers and whiners". It only hurts your credibility.

Proof Positive, Congrats! You posted a short, very professional
post about your success with ecosov800. And for you, I hope
your run of good fortune continues.

For those individuals looking for a cash generating, cash leveraging
program where 100% of the CASH comes to you, feel free to
send me a PM or email from this forum!

Make today a SUCCESSFUL day!

Tim

[tercetlyconstituent]

personally, i feel that:
what do you have to defend..? if it works, then so be it.
unless, youre not telling us the whole truth.;
eg-n i would like to email you if you would let me do that.
but, maybe you wouldnt want me to.
my question as is a lot of other people's is,
where does the flaw lie?...
i dont like when people get hurt and/or their gift goes down the drain.
Again, im for the people.
tYc

You sound like a Presidential candidate with your
"I'm for the people" speech. While it's noble for
you to be for the people, how about starting with
your own pocketbook first. Because you can't be
helping others until you've helped yourself.


As far as ecosov800 is concerned, I do feel that
adequate feedback has already been given here.
Go back and review the information. (I sound
like Q!). Make your own judgement as to whether
or not the program makes sense to you.

Send me a private message and/or email if you're genuinely
interested in program where 100% of the cash goes to you
with no panels/boards to fill or high maintenance fees to pay.

Make today a SUCCESSFUL day!

Tim

[tercetlyconstituent]

Ok Tim, I guess it wouldnt hurt to preview your website.

Here's the deal tercetlyconstituent:

Anyone who is serious about looking at a program will
pick up the phone. Contact me @ 330.881.3026/cell

All past, current or prospective ecosov800 members are
invited to chat.

[CHI_O_K]

AH HA! If only I had run across this forum months ago! I was once a mamber of ECOSOV 800. The site looked great, the pitch sounded good, the recording got me excited. I researched it online and looked for forums like this one with some dirt, and couldnt find any. So... I actually thought that ECOSOV could work for me. Unfortunately, what the research didnt tell me, my pockets soon did. You have to have money to make money... And with Ecosov 800 you must need a whole shi* load of it! I must have thrown away more than $3000 in a matter of 2 months. Ads in magazines, business cards, card decks, auto responders, 1-800 numbers! I had it all. I just knew I was on the path to the rich and famous! But even after all of that... no one was willing to join! my auto responder was full of people who were interested but not willing to spend the $700.00 it cost to join. And I consider myself a pretty good salesman. Im very sucessful on ebay and at my local flea market. How could I have gone wrong with ECOSOV? I was blind.... See in the begining of my research I listened to every last conference call, read every last bit of info on the site. I eventually called Q, and had a very short conversation with him. I told him I was ready to join. He went on to question me, asking if I really had the money or was I just playing with him? He explained that a lot of people say they are ready but then dont ever send the cash. I said I could send it tomorrow! He gave me all the info I needed and we were off. I had to send 2 next day packages via Fed Ex that cost me an extra $50.00. But that money didnt mean anything i was on my way to the top! As soon as I had my code I was on the site doing my due dilligence! I placed a few ads with wolfe enterprises and set up my auto responder. I was on all the conference calls asking questions and participating 100%! But even after all of my hard work, after doing my due dilligence, I didnt have any good leads! all of the leads I did have werent interested enough to pay up. I began to see thru the smoke Q was blowing up our you know whats! This was about the same time that he decided to take our ability to place our own ads. The madatory CO-OPs are the point when I knew I had enough. My pockets had been emptied by my own greed! If I could have just invested that money in items to sell on Ebay, I could be a lot better off right now! On Ebay I can research my market and get what the people want when they want it. Its not a pipe dream. Im thru with any programs! I got my business licence and im on a path thats straight and narrow. I do believe Q should follow. He must know that he is hurting people! He is actually asking people who are in bad situations to take out loans from friends and anywhere else, to get involved in something he has to know doesnt work for most people! Where are his morals? Where is his conscience?

I understand exactly how you feel CHI_O_K! I experienced the
same thing. I funneled thousands of specific ecosov leads through
my autoresponder without as much as an email or phone call back
indicating any interest. It came to a point where I had to decide
to continue or accept the losses and move on.

I chose the latter. But I didn't give up. I knew cash gifting
worked I just had to find the right vehicle to make it happen.
Interested in receiving 100% of the CASH with no boards/panels
to fill and no maintenance fees? Feel free to send me an email
or a P.M. See-YA, Tim

[Trinket]

CHI_O-K,

I am SO SORRY you had your pockets emptied by "Q". You've probably already read about my nightmare with ecosov. You've got to wonder right away about a guy who never gives his name & hides behind an initial and no one knows what he looks like or exactly what country he lives in!?! It bothered me in the beginning but I just didn't realize what a RED FLAG it really was until later, too late.

You and I (and many, many others) did everything right; it is NOT your fault that it didn't work. We believed in a "con artist". I lost a LOT of money and my DREAM. You can't put a price on losing your dream of success.

ecosov is just like SO MANY other MLM's out there that only work for a FEW people. Luck, money, and connections are, I believe, 3 of the main ingredients for MLM success. Unfortunately, those seeking to succeed in an MLM have few, if any, of those ingredients.

It's a hard lesson isn't it? I am still recovering from it. I wish you the best for the future. I'm glad you got out of ecosov; good decision. "Q" and ecosov will go down, I believe, in the near future, as he should.

Most sincerely,
Trinket

Trinket, you shouldn't let Q ruin your dream(s). That's
taking away your personal ***** and giving it to Q. He
doesn't deserve the scraps off your dining room table let
alone your dream(s).

Was I discouraged and disappointed after my experience
with ecosov800? Absolutely! Did I let it stop me from
moving forward? Not for one second!

You can either crawl into a hole and allow your dream(s)
to go with you or you brush yourself off and start anew with
something else. I hope (for your sake) that you make the
right choice.

[Trinket]

Tigercity, you too, huh? (another ecosov casualty).

No, Q didn't steal my dream. Well, perhaps for a few months. It's difficult to part with that kind of money and not feel like you've been stomped on, used, abused, robbed and tossed to the curb.

Yes, I picked myself back up and have moved on. I just want as MANY people as possible to KNOW what they're up against if they get involved with ecosov. Hopefully, they will see our posts here. It's the least we can do for other unsuspecting, trusting folks out there.

Sincerely,
Trinket

[sojustask]

Well, I don't know how close in comparison this Ecosov800 is to Elite Activity but from what I can see from the posts and the websites on the net, it looks like Elite Activity is the Ecosov800 of the future.

About gifting schemes, they are illegal. When the originators get to a point that they might get busted for an illegal gifting scheme, they get out of that end, wrap it in a copyright, get software and go global and make millions off the sales and rentals of all the programs and products that pop up around them. That's my opinion but I've seen it happen more than once.

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=78295#post78295 <<< These are the rules of Elite Activity. I got them off the guest site when someone gave me the password. :)

Are these two programs similar?

Lady Mod

[DethLOK]

Originally Posted by Eg-N

All you whiner losers out there, I can't believe what I,m reading here. You type of people can,t make it in any type of mlm or home bizz because your failures.
If you put half as much ****** into Ecosov or any other program as you do on these nonsense scam sites, you'd be making lots of money.

Which by the way these sites have negative comments on just about every mlm or home bizz out there cause there people like you that get into these programs and sit there and wait for others to help you along. Then when you make nothing you cry like hurt pig.

Then I read here of all the money you spend to do the bizz. If you worked smart ( Oh I forgot I'm talking to failures ) you won't need to spend a fraction of what your ( claiming ) to spend.

I'm currentl'y in Ecosov since the end of april and have made more money that would make you want to ( WHINE ) some more.

Oh by the way Listen to ( 618-355-1153 ) it's me on there. The one who doesn't ( Whine for a living ) but the one who does follow the program and makes it happen.

E.L.

Wow... I was going to post What a Total ASS thei "Q" guy is but then you go and post! :eek: The purpose of this sight is to inform people and for yayers and nay-sayers to banter back and forth until the truth comes out... and it took about 8 or 9 posts for "Q" to reveal the truth... he spoke down to perspective recruits and disrespected anyone that views these boards and he's the supposed face of this program... then you as one of his lackey's come here and does the same thing only you were much **snicker** harsher and more disrespectful.

I'm glad you took time out of your busy schedule to make a complete d*ck of yourself! Oh... and if you reply to this then you are truly a loser!

Oh... and "biz" is spelled with one z... Anus!

[Proof Positive]

To DETHLOK, lord of kaos
Well I guess your user name says a lot about you.
Question, what does "thei" mean? Or is this a typo for "this", kind of like "bizz".
As far as your attack on Q, lets stick to the facts. I didn't see any negative response in his first posting pertaining to perspective recruits. I read a "banter back to the nay-sayers" so the truth came out.
His second posting was a personal response to tiger city, once again to let the truth be told. It was not an attack on the forum.

The fact is most people don't go out of the way to pay a compliment or to give praise about something. They will speak up if they feel they have been wronged. Unfortunately there is no business opportunity that works for everybody 100% of the time. I do feel bad that a few people lost money in ecosov800. I also have lost thousands of dollars over the years in different MLM's as well as gifting programs. I hope those few don't give up on their dream and find a program that works for them like I have.

Back to you, dethlok-lord of kaos. I will end by quoting you.
"I'm glad you took the time out of your busy schedule to make a complete d*ck of yourself! Oh... and if you reply to this then you are truly a loser!"

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