Eniva Vibe Concerns

[webwalker]

Vibe looks like an interesting product that I decided worth some further investigation.
Then I turned up this:
http://www.worldwidescam.info/enivafacts.htm

I know there a bunch of folks on here that support the product, and it may well be quite good, however for a company to promote a product by claims that they have documented studies, then basically use the 5th ammendment to deny access to these reports seems odd.
The reports either support your claims or they don't. Surely this was a wonderful opportunity for Eniva to validate their wonderful product?

Is this business really all about products riding on waves of fabrications?
If, so it's dissapointing.....

[starlighter]

I was with Eniva for a bit over a month! (wow!)
Just long enough to taste the product and cancel my next product order.
UGH! It tastes worse than strong cough syrup! Now I've tasted many nutritional products, shakes, etc over the years, but this one, no matter how good for me, I could not imagine swallowing on a daily basis, so I had to cancel. I honestly dont know how they can be so successful with such a strong tasting product. Maybe some can tolerate it.
Their website and all the materials I got in the mail from them look great, though. Very spiffy and polished and professionally done.
They do sell other products other than Vibe....and I dont know much about those so I cant judge on those, but I think Vibe is pushed as their main product.
Sorry, I just couldnt "swallow" it....(pun intended)
It wasnt for me.
Oh well!
Starlighter

[spanky]

If anyone wants more information on Vibe....the link is:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t...ighlight=eniva

i was sparring with the heavies in Eniva VibrantMarcos and April 47. Definately worth the read....maybe even a laugh or to at the false claims they made

[April47]

ugh... Spanky, get over yourself. Nobody was making false claims. You were just grasping at straws, as usual... but I'm not going to get into that with you again here, as you said.. anyone who's interested in the conversation can go read that thread.



As for worldwideinfo.. they've been targeting Eniva for a few months now. I haven't really read anything substantial that proves that the Vibe is unhealthy or doesn't work. Therefore I have no reason to believe that it is or doesn't. I also trust Andy & Ben (founders), and think they are ethical, good guys... so until it is proved to me without a doubt that they are the opposite, then I will continue believing what I do.


Starlighter... I'm interested in how you took the sample.. because I think it makes a difference. I think it tastes AWFUL warm. I also think it's too strong straight (although that's how my mom drinks it). If it's cold and you put it in water or juice, though, I think it tastes good. I drink COLD Apple Vibe in about 5-6 oz. of apple juice and I think it tastes like apple cider. I enjoy it.

[enlightenme007]

Originally Posted by April47

ugh... Spanky, get over yourself. Nobody was making false claims. You were just grasping at straws, as usual... but I'm not going to get into that with you again here, as you said.. anyone who's interested in the conversation can go read that thread.



As for worldwideinfo.. they've been targeting Eniva for a few months now. I haven't really read anything substantial that proves that the Vibe is unhealthy or doesn't work. Therefore I have no reason to believe that it is or doesn't. I also trust Andy & Ben (founders), and think they are ethical, good guys... so until it is proved to me without a doubt that they are the opposite, then I will continue believing what I do.


Starlighter... I'm interested in how you took the sample.. because I think it makes a difference. I think it tastes AWFUL warm. I also think it's too strong straight (although that's how my mom drinks it). If it's cold and you put it in water or juice, though, I think it tastes good. I drink COLD Apple Vibe in about 5-6 oz. of apple juice and I think it tastes like apple cider. I enjoy it.

April: Let me first state I haven't read what you and Spanky have "argued" over but I will say I am disappointed in your response to this thread. If you look at the link it talks about reports that the owners did not disclose.
How do you or the company address that issue? If you claim the product is x,y,z and you have "proof" then why isn't the company showing the proof?

[April47]

I honestly don't know.... I'm not Andrew, so I don't know what his motives were behind not disclosing the information, but I trust him and I'm sure he did what he felt was best for the company. I don't have to understand his reasoning.

Honestly.... it doesn't matter to me what technology they use, because I know it's there. The product works unlike any other vitamin I've taken because I actually FELT it work the first time I took it. If it hadn't done that, then yes I'd be more skeptical and worried when something like this comes up... but frankly I'm just not. If that disappoints you then I'm sorry, but I really don't know what else to say.

Also... they do put the 3rd-party results out there on enivaquality.com... and I know they aren't "fudged" results because I've had some samples tested myself with similar results.

[spanky]

Well Folks here are the facts as i know them today: (2/6/2007)

1. Eniva has been touting the PDR as a backbone for its legitimacy. GB84 has found out that all one needs to do to be in the PDR is pay them. therefore...the PDR is a useless entity because they do no background checks etc. April was making assumptions that you do more than pay the company:

Originally Posted by April47

No but I will... I'll even go as far as to call them tomorrow. I looked on the PDR website, but it doesn't say anything about getting a product listed.

But my ASSUMPTIONS were based on LOGIC and COMMON SENSE, so I'm not worried.

April....this is a classic example of the hindsight bias/Hindsight effect...(if you would like to do more research on the hindsight effect please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias ) now that you know that your capable of falling for the hindsight effect...i'd personally recommnd working on improving yourself. Please dont feel bad for yourself... all humans have the capability to fall for the hindsight effect......the important thing to learn is to not make assumptions based on common sense and logic..unless they are facts...for example 1+1=2.....that is common sense and a fact...not an assumption....if you continue to make assumptions like this you have the capability of misleading your potential recruits (in this case you would have mislead the potential recruit about your assumption that the PDR required more than just paying to be in it... when in fact all one had to do was pay a fee....if you mislead people knowingly... your defined as a scammer....for example...now that you know all you have to do is pay to be in the PDR and you didnt tell your prospect that Eniva just paid to be in the PDR than you would be defined as a scammer because you were knowingly misleading them and lying to them

http://www.worldwidescam.info/evibe100.htm

2. Eniva claims they have "third party research" when in reality this "third party research is supported by ENIVA...lol....in any event....Its mportant to know that you cant mislead your prospects or recruits...So you need to tell them that this "third party " research is supported by eniva...not telling them this will define you as a scammer because your not being honest with them.

3. Some Eniva reps make claims and contradict themselves (Not all Eniva reps thought)...this was apparent in Vibrant Marcos Post where i pointed out his contradictions:

Originally Posted by spanky

VibrantMarcos said:

please do not accuse us of making claims.

He then said:

Accuse the human body

But wait....he contradicts himself by saying:

There is only one thing on this planet that I believe is a "cure all". It's called the "Human Body".

But wait.. theres more he contradicts himself further by making a claim:

VIBE is an excellent support for the immune system

A CLAIM!!!! A CLAIM!!!! didnt this goon Marcos say he didnt want us to accuse him of making claims?? Marcos i love how you contradict yourself!! People this is what most MLMERS do they use words and twist them around to manipulate you with them... dont fall for it... This buffoon contradicts himself all over the place (See letters in bold to read his contradictions)



hmm...yeah in case you didn't read before, I called PDR they verfied that Envia just paid them to get in the book so don't use the PDR to support your product.


thanxs for clarifying that GB... soo im assumming anyone can just Pay to be in the PDR. April....your assumptions were proven false....Care to elaborate.....The PDR is useless all one needs to do is pay to be in it.


Did you notice that all those third party reaseachers you cited Marcos were Envia supported? how is that third party or independent.

I did not notice that GB.... Thanxs for letting me know....they are claiming that they have third-party research when they are supported by Eniva...lol....thats not third party research...lol!!!! Care to explain this one Marcos.

I just use common sense if someone tries to sell you a 100.00 bottle (startup kit) of 32oz of apple juice, that is a scam.

thats MLM for you....Overpriced junk Juice....Eniva is worthless...there are in the PDR (which apparently all one has to do is Pay to get into) there website uses weasel words.....There reps make claims all over the place....they use "third party" research that is supported by eniva (i still chuckle at that), they say they dont claim or imply anything than they say that it helps the immune system so in essense they contradict themselves....they charge you insane amounts for there product.......Eniva Gotta love this scam!!!...lol

Please educate yourself before joining Eniva....there are many concerns

http://www.worldwidescam.info/enivafacts.htm

[enlightenme007]

Originally Posted by April47

I honestly don't know.... I'm not Andrew, so I don't know what his motives were behind not disclosing the information, but I trust him and I'm sure he did what he felt was best for the company. I don't have to understand his reasoning.

WHAT!?? You don't have to understand why the product is what you are saying it is? Wow that's seems weak.

Originally Posted by April47

Honestly.... it doesn't matter to me what technology they use, because I know it's there. The product works unlike any other vitamin I've taken because I actually FELT it work the first time I took it. If it hadn't done that, then yes I'd be more skeptical and worried when something like this comes up... but frankly I'm just not. If that disappoints you then I'm sorry, but I really don't know what else to say.

Just because you FELT something doesn't mean JACK. You could have felt the high levels of sugar or caffeine. I FEEL great after drinking my morning coffee, but what does that have to do with proving that it is good for you?

[April47]

Originally Posted by enlightenme007

WHAT!?? You don't have to understand why the product is what you are saying it is? Wow that's seems weak.

Did you actually read what was in that quote before you responded? I said I don't have to understand Andrew's reasoning for why he didn't disclose the info. There was nothing about the product in that quote. I understand completely why the product is what I'm saying it is.

Originally Posted by enlightenme007

Just because you FELT something doesn't mean JACK. You could have felt the high levels of sugar or caffeine. I FEEL great after drinking my morning coffee, but what does that have to do with proving that it is good for you?

Actually it DOES mean something, because Vibe doesn't have caffeine OR high levels of sugar... so it couldn't be that. Read the ingredients and that will tell you that it's good for you. It's not rocket science. And coffee technically isn't that bad for you either, since they've found some benefits.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Fluid Ounce
Servings Per Container (VIBE Bottle): 32
Amount Per
Serving %
Daily
Value
Calories 30 *
Total Carbohydrate 6 g 2%
Sugars 4 g †
Vitamin A 2,000 IU 40%
Vitamin C 120 mg 200%
Vitamin D 500 IU 125%
Vitamin E 30 IU 100%
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) 1.5 mg 100%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 1.7 mg 100%
Niacin 16 mg 80%
Vitamin B6 2 mg 100%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B12 12 mcg 200%
Biotin 300 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 10 mg 100%
Calcium 100 mg 10%
Phosphorus 20 mg 2%
Iodine 150 mcg 100%
Magnesium 150 mg 38%
Zinc 5 mg 33%
Selenium 25 mcg 36%
Copper 0.5 mg 25%
Manganese 1.8 mg 90%
Chromium 120 mcg 100%
Potassium 175 mg 5%
Proprietary Trace Mineral Blend 37 mg †
Boron, Germanium, Strontium, Sulfur, Nickel, Cobalt, Vanadium
AntiOX2® Proprietary Blend 6,500 mg †
Natural Extracts: Acai Berry, Cranberry, Raspberry, Blueberry, Blackberry, Strawberry, Cherry, Carrot, Elderberry, Hibiscus (flower), Lemon, Lime, Apple, Blackcurrant, Oregano, Choke berry, Grape, Pumpkin, Tomato, Pomegranate, Wolf berry, Stevia (leaf), Grape Seed; Citrus Bioflavonoids
HeartPROTM Proprietary Blend

280 mg

†
D-Ribose, CoQ10, L-Carnitine, Malic Acid, Isolated Lecithin, Mixed Tocopherols
CollaMAX® Proprietary Blend 3,500 mg †
Green Tea Leaf Extract (water decaffeinated), L-Lysine, L-Proline, Aloe Vera Gel, Glucosamine HCl (vegetable), Glycine, Alanine, Valine, Isoleucine, Leucine
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
† Daily Value not established

Ingredients:Purified water, natural extracts and flavors (acai berry, cranberry, raspberry, blueberry, blackberry, strawberry, cherry, carrot, elderberry, hibiscus [flower], lemon, lime, apple, blackcurrant, oregano, choke berry, grape, pumpkin, tomato, pomegranate, wolf berry, stevia [leaf]), natural sugars (beet and molasses), magnesium (from magnesium malate, magnesium citrate, magnesium glycerophosphate, magnesium sulfate, magnesium chloride), citric acid, malic acid, potassium (from potassium citrate, potassium chloride), green tea leaf extract (water decaffeinated), calcium (from calcium citrate, calcium malate, calcium chloride), ascorbic acid, l-proline, l-lysine, d-ribose, d-alpha-tocopherol acetate with mixed tocopherols, aloe vera gel, natural gums (arabic, acacia, xanthan, guar), niacin, vitamin A palmitate, zinc (from zinc sulfate), l-carnitine fumarate, potassium sorbate and benzoic acid (from sodium salt) (naturally protect freshness), d-calcium pantothenate, boron (from sodium borate), manganese (from manganese chloride), folic acid, riboflavin-5-phosphate, pyridoxine HCl, glucosamine HCl, copper (from copper sulfate), strontium (from strontium chloride), thiamin HCl, cholecalciferol, chromium (from chromium chloride), biotin, soy lecithin, CoQ10 (ubidecarenone), selenium (from sodium selenate, selenium chloride), germanium (from germanium sesquioxide), vanadium (from vanadyl sulfate), cyanocobalamin, n-methyl-cobalamin.

No stimulants, artificial colors or artificial flavors
VIBE is a decaffeinated product
Vegetarian friendly
No fish ingredients

Listen... you might not like my reasoning, and that's okay, you don't have to, but I was extremely surprised with what I felt after taking the Vibe.

It's a product... it either works for you or it doesn't. Vibe worked for me, which is why I tell people about it. There have been people it hasn't worked for (my dad took it for a while and didn't notice anything), and those people just stop taking it and move on with their lives. There's no question that it works well for many people though... no question.





This is why I don't talk about Eniva much on here anymore, because it's a never-ending circle of attacks (not saying you were attacking, enlightenme, but others do), and no response is ever good enough.

[enlightenme007]

Originally Posted by April47

Did you actually read what was in that quote before you responded? I said I don't have to understand Andrew's reasoning for why he didn't disclose the info. There was nothing about the product in that quote. I understand completely why the product is what I'm saying it is.

Okay what is the info., tests that show what, what is it that they are not disclosing?

Originally Posted by April47

Actually it DOES mean something, because Vibe doesn't have caffeine OR high levels of sugar... so it couldn't be that. Read the ingredients and that will tell you that it's good for you. It's not rocket science. And coffee technically isn't that bad for you either, since they've found some benefits.

Actually after reading the ingredients it looks as if there is plenty of sugar.
Also, just because the ingredients say something, doesn't always mean that it is in or not in there. Maybe that is what the tests show? Who knows?

Originally Posted by April47

Listen... you might not like my reasoning, and that's okay, you don't have to, but I was extremely surprised with what I felt after taking the Vibe.

It's a product... it either works for you or it doesn't. Vibe worked for me, which is why I tell people about it. There have been people it hasn't worked for (my dad took it for a while and didn't notice anything), and those people just stop taking it and move on with their lives. There's no question that it works well for many people though... no question.

Okay, no problems here - if you say so.

Originally Posted by April47

This is why I don't talk about Eniva much on here anymore, because it's a never-ending circle of attacks (not saying you were attacking, enlightenme, but others do), and no response is ever good enough.

I am not attacking, just trying to understand - hey if you help people understand that should only boost your position on the thread. Although I know some people are lost causes.

[April47]

Originally Posted by enlightenme007

Okay what is the info., tests that show what, what is it that they are not disclosing?

I don't know what worldwidescam was looking for, and I don't know what Eniva has (that they're not making available) so I have no idea what they're not disclosing. I don't think you're getting my point. I know the product is good because of results I'm getting, results I'm seeing, the ingredient list, and the 3rd-party testing results, plus the testing a friend of mine did. For me, that's enough.

Here are some of the tests if you want to see them. Keep in mind the PDF files will have "Eniva Research Group" on the first page. This is a letter that explains what you see in the test results.. the following pages are the actual results from the labs (so the testing was NOT done by Eniva's labs).

http://www.enivaquality.com/research.html

http://www.enivaquality.com/particle...20analysis.pdf

Originally Posted by enlightenme007

Actually after reading the ingredients it looks as if there is plenty of sugar. Also, just because the ingredients say something, doesn't always mean that it is in or not in there. Maybe that is what the tests show? Who knows?

hahaha... 4 g's of sugar is not enough to give me a sugar high or even a spike in energy... do you even know how much chocolate I eat?

Vibe contains what it says it does:

http://www.enivaquality.com/mineral.pdf

http://www.enivaquality.com/vitamin.pdf

Originally Posted by enlightenme007

I am not attacking, just trying to understand - hey if you help people understand that should only boost your position on the thread. Although I know some people are lost causes.

Yeah, I wasn't saying you were attacking, because you definitely weren't. I'm just sick of the people that do, which is why I tend to stay out of these threads now. Nutritionals can be so complicated that it's hard enough trying to get your point across, let alone when someone's twisting your words or being nitpicky about everything you say.

[spanky]

Hey everyone the original Eniva Thread was deleted... im thinking it was deleted because April could not counter her assumptions (and sojustask who is a mod here was a pro eniva who also couldnt counter the evidence that was presented im thinking she deleted the thread because she didnt want you to see the evidence that i presented to april Sojustask had the power to Close the thread so you could do your due dilligence...but she decided to delete the thread not allowing you the potential recruiter to do your due dilligence)... if you would like to look at the thread so you can do your "due dilligence" on Eniva please click on thelink below This thread was very informative on Eniva showing april/marcos pros and myself who presented the negatives of eniva

the link is

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...gl=us&ie=UTF-8

[Steady]

Oh dear

It looks like the walls are starting to crumble doesn't it April

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by webwalker

I know there a bunch of folks on here that support the product, and it may well be quite good, however for a company to promote a product by claims that they have documented studies, then basically use the 5th ammendment to deny access to these reports seems odd.
The reports either support your claims or they don't.....

Big Pharmacuetical companies do it all the time without being called a scam. It's not until people start getting hospitalized or dead from using their products that anyone steps in to remove it or (God forbid) punish the company.


Lady Mod

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by spanky

Hey everyone the original Eniva Thread was deleted... im thinking it was deleted because April could not counter her assumptions (and sojustask who is a mod here was a pro eniva who also couldnt counter the evidence that was presented im thinking she deleted the thread because she didnt want you to see the evidence that i presented to april Sojustask had the power to Close the thread so you could do your due dilligence...but she decided to delete the thread not allowing you the potential recruiter to do your due dilligence)... if you would like to look at the thread so you can do your "due dilligence" on Eniva please click on thelink below This thread was very informative on Eniva showing april/marcos pros and myself who presented the negatives of eniva

False accusations and claims Spanky? Hmmmm. I was once a user of VIBE and I have a friend who were actually cured of an ailment (diabetes) by taking VIBE three times a day. However, I don't think VIBE or any other vitamin has magic ingredients or a magic delivery system. What I do think is that FDA recommendations on vitamin amounts are extremely below what the average human being should consume.

But then, the FDA promotes drugs to mask disease, not vitamins to avoid it. No money for the feds in vitamins. Too much competition.

So enjoy your fantasy, but I didn't have a problem with the last thread. I will warn you to tread lightly before accusing me of anything you can't personally validate.

Lady Mod

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Steady

Oh dear

It looks like the walls are starting to crumble doesn't it April

Hardly, the situation will be corrected and life will go on. A minor setback, but it's not enough to shut the company down or discredit the product for any length of time.

That might be because once someone uses the product, they notice that they feel much better.

Feeling good is a very potent convincer.

Lady Mod

[Steady]

Originally Posted by sojustask

Feeling good is a very potent convincer.

Lady Mod

Finally something we both agree on.

I guess telling people they will earn buckets loads of money, drive nice cars, own a big house and retire early makes people feel really good.

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Steady

Finally something we both agree on.

I guess telling people they will earn buckets loads of money, drive nice cars, own a big house and retire early makes people feel really good.

Only if you are shallow enough to think thats the only reason you should go into business.

Those are all goals and motivaters, NOT reasons to start a business. You can obtain all those things through other means without going into business.

And if that is the ONLY reason your friend got into business, then she is as shallow as you are.

Lady Mod

[Steady]

Originally Posted by sojustask

Only if you are shallow enough to think thats the only reason you should go into business.

Those are all goals and motivaters, NOT reasons to start a business. You can obtain all those things through other means without going into business.

And if that is the ONLY reason your friend got into business, then she is as shallow as you are.

Lady Mod

Oh come on Lady Mod we both know why people really get into these scemes.

Are you honestly telling me you think MLM companies flash all these nice things infront of peoples eyes as "goals and motivaters" :(

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Steady

Oh come on Lady Mod we both know why people really get into these scemes.

Are you honestly telling me you think MLM companies flash all these nice things infront of peoples eyes as "goals and motivaters" :(

Are you so ignorant to think there is a different reason? Do not employers in a more traditional business called a JOB, flash pay raises and 401K's, profit sharing and 2 week vacations and sick leave, flash and promote those things to motivate employees or attract new employees?

Are they scams too simply because they say they will reward you with these things if you remain a good and hard worker? Wherein lies the difference? One is promises based on your value as an employee (after you pass your trial period and provided they don't lay you off, cut back or fire you before then) and the other is flashed to remind you of goals and motivate you to work hard to obtain them in your own business.


Lady Mod

[Steady]

So is my friend in Agel for the wrong reason.

She's in it purely for the money and she thinks she going to make alot of money out of it just by recruiting people.

[Agel32008]

Originally Posted by Steady

So is my friend in Agel for the wrong reason.

She's in it purely for the money and she thinks she going to make alot of money out of it just by recruiting people.

lol.. what the hell do you think people have been telling you for the last month?

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Steady

So is my friend in Agel for the wrong reason.

She's in it purely for the money and she thinks she going to make alot of money out of it just by recruiting people.

Did you not just answer your own question?

:rolleyes:

Don't judge everyone who joins these programs by your friend. Apparently she is missing the point of being in business and her caliber of intelligence isn't any higher than yours.


Lady Mod

[April47]

Originally Posted by Steady

Oh dear

It looks like the walls are starting to crumble doesn't it April

Nope... I'm not worried at all.

[jebaroo]

Originally Posted by sojustask

False accusations and claims Spanky? Hmmmm. I was once a user of VIBE and I have a friend who were actually cured of an ailment (diabetes) by taking VIBE three times a day. However, I don't think VIBE or any other vitamin has magic ingredients or a magic delivery system. What I do think is that FDA recommendations on vitamin amounts are extremely below what the average human being should consume.

But then, the FDA promotes drugs to mask disease, not vitamins to avoid it. No money for the feds in vitamins. Too much competition.

So enjoy your fantasy, but I didn't have a problem with the last thread. I will warn you to tread lightly before accusing me of anything you can't personally validate.
Lady Mod

spank making false accusations without documented evidence?....never
he REQUIRES documentation and PROOF for everything

Originally Posted by spanky

April your asumptions about the PDR were proven false earlier... you might have scared our good scambusting friend GB84 off....but i can assure you... im asking for documented proof to allow the reader to make an informed decision. Dont mislead people on this thread and if your going to make comments regarding the Eniva company you better have proof to back it up.P.S. Im hoping your now honest with your potential recruits i would hope that you tell them that:

A. ENIVA just paid to be listed in the PDR With no proper background checks
B. The "third party research" is supported by Eniva...therefore its not third party research at all.

If you dont tell the potential recruit these very important details then you would be misleading the potential recruit and would be defined as a scammer.....If you choose to respond to this April....please respond with documentation and not assumptions

[Agel32008]

Originally Posted by jebaroo

spank making false accusations without documented evidence?....never
he REQUIRES documentation and PROOF for everything

lol i hope you boyz have your proof too , cuz as you should know Slandering any business mlm or retail is a federal offence.. lets hope you know what your talking, and that if you don't April don't push the admins to trace ur url
( or what ever they use ) ;)

[Steady]

Originally Posted by Agel32008

lol i hope you boyz have your proof too , cuz as you should know Slandering any business mlm or retail is a federal offence.. lets hope you know what your talking, and that if you don't April don't push the admins to trace ur url
( or what ever they use ) ;)

How professional of an Agel rep to threaten people with locating them.

[Agel32008]

Originally Posted by Steady

How professional of an Agel rep to threaten people with locating them.

Ouch Steady that really really hurt , i hope i don't lose all my business..lol
Anyways im gonna go for a ski doo ride.. then come back to a case of beer
if i can type, i'll read your next ßull§hit posting.. if not i'll seeya tomorrow, try learn alittle bout mlms, so we can have a real chat, not these little picking at eachother postings... i might even sign you up in Agel under me.. oh wait wtf was i thinking, forget that last part.. :D

[Steady]

Originally Posted by Agel32008

Ouch Steady that really really hurt , i hope i don't lose all my business..lol
Anyways im gonna go for a ski doo ride.. then come back to a case of beer
if i can type, i'll read your next ßull§hit posting.. if not i'll seeya tomorrow, try learn alittle bout mlms, so we can have a real chat, not these little picking at eachother postings... i might even sign you up in Agel under me.. oh wait wtf was i thinking, forget that last part.. :D

:D

Enjoy your ride

[mj363]

Originally Posted by Agel32008

lol i hope you boyz have your proof too , cuz as you should know Slandering any business mlm or retail is a federal offence.. lets hope you know what your talking, and that if you don't April don't push the admins to trace ur url
( or what ever they use ) ;)

You don't have the slightest understanding of the american legal system do you? Your lack of legal knowledge is only slightly greater than your lack of technical knowledge...

You should think before you talk and then you should probably just not post at all.

FYI you can learn what a URL is here (and hopefully realize it has nothing to do with tracking users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL

[Steady]

Originally Posted by mj363

You don't have the slightest understanding of the american legal system do you? Your lack of legal knowledge is only slightly greater than your lack of technical knowledge...

You should think before you talk and then you should probably just not post at all.

FYI you can learn what a URL is here (and hopefully realize it has nothing to do with tracking users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL

I think he meant I.P address I'm sure it was a mistake.

If you take Agel you dont make mistakes. Infact Agel increases your brain power by 23%

[mj363]

That was the easy one....

Then there is his legal advice...

1) Its Libel not slander.
2) Libel is a form of defamation
3) In general defamation is civil not criminal.
4) Since its civil, its not a "federal offense"

Just about every single point in his post was completely wrong.

[April47]

Originally Posted by mj363

You don't have the slightest understanding of the american legal system do you? Your lack of legal knowledge is only slightly greater than your lack of technical knowledge...

You should think before you talk and then you should probably just not post at all.

FYI you can learn what a URL is here (and hopefully realize it has nothing to do with tracking users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL

FYI... he's Canadian... can't really blame him for not knowing much about the US legal system... haha.


... and yes, he meant IP Address

[Steady]

Originally Posted by mj363

That was the easy one....

Then there is his legal advice...

1) Its Libel not slander.
2) Libel is a form of defamation
3) In general defamation is civil not criminal.
4) Since its civil, its not a "federal offense"

Just about every single point in his post was completely wrong.

You'll have to excuse him he hasn't taken his Agel today that's all.

If he takes his Agel it boosts his IQ to over 300 :eek:

It really is amazing.

As long as you dont mind the feeling of sucking bad tasting snot out of somebody's nose.

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by mj363

That was the easy one....

Then there is his legal advice...

1) Its Libel not slander.
2) Libel is a form of defamation
3) In general defamation is civil not criminal.
4) Since its civil, its not a "federal offense"

Just about every single point in his post was completely wrong.

Whether he was right or wrong, nothing was said that would be worth the cost of a libel suite.

And it was an empty threat. Kind like the ones that get thrown around this site every day.

And as long as April continues to engage in these pointless discussions then she wouldn't have grounds for a suite anyway. For one thing, you all would have to damage her reputation and her business.

You can say what you want about the company or the product, that is not a reflection on her business ethics.

And considering how little a thing it is that you are pointing fingers at? You won't even put a dent in the Eniva company. Corporations have withstood worse than that and thrived.

A little bad press usually ends up boosting sales anyway. People are always willing to forgive transgressions at least once. The company will correct their errors, the product will be better and pass future testing and then you guys will have to go back to generalizing once again. LOL.

You guys don't spend a lot of time engaging your brains first before spouting off at the keyboards do you? :D

Namaste'

Lady Mod

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[spanky]

Originally Posted by sojustask

False accusations and claims Spanky? Hmmmm. I was once a user of VIBE and I have a friend who were actually cured of an ailment (diabetes) by taking VIBE three times a day. However, I don't think VIBE or any other vitamin has magic ingredients or a magic delivery system. What I do think is that FDA recommendations on vitamin amounts are extremely below what the average human being should consume.

But then, the FDA promotes drugs to mask disease, not vitamins to avoid it. No money for the feds in vitamins. Too much competition.

So enjoy your fantasy, but I didn't have a problem with the last thread. I will warn you to tread lightly before accusing me of anything you can't personally validate.

Lady Mod

So enjoy your fantasy, but I didn't have a problem with the last thread. I will warn you to tread lightly before accusing me of anything you can't personally validate.

If you didnt have a problem with the last thread why didnt you "close" it instead...to allow the potential recruiter to do there DD... instead you deleted so no one can do there DD from that thread....hhhmmmm :rolleyes:

[April47]

Originally Posted by spanky

If you didnt have a problem with the last thread why didnt you "close" it instead...to allow the potential recruiter to do there DD... instead you deleted so no one can do there DD from that thread....hhhmmmm

Spanky what makes you ASSUME that Lady Mod was the one to delete the Eniva thread? Do you have any PROOF that she did it?

Don't mislead people on this thread and if your going to make comments regarding Lady Mod you better have proof to back it up.

If you choose to respond to this, Spanky....please respond with documentation and not assumptions.


(Wow... those words sound awfully familiar, don't they?)

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by spanky

If you didnt have a problem with the last thread why didnt you "close" it instead...to allow the potential recruiter to do there DD... instead you deleted so no one can do there DD from that thread....hhhmmmm :rolleyes:

What part of "I didn't have a problem with the last Eniva thread" did you NOT understand Spanky?

It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to draw the conclusion that if I didn't have a problem with that thread then I didn't do any deleting of the thread either.

Are you really that stupid OR do you just like to pretend to be?


Lady Mod

[Agel32008]

Originally Posted by Steady

I think he meant I.P address I'm sure it was a mistake.

If you take Agel you dont make mistakes. Infact Agel increases your brain power by 23%

I like this posting why ?
1.Spanky is right i don't know much about the american legal system.
As april said Im canadian

2. Steady was right, i didn't take my Agels Gels that day as i posted i was going ski dooing, after i was going to be drinking ( beer ) i dont think that would mix well, Steady was also right about the IQ boosts to over 300
thats why once i took them today i went to see the owner of nutriton club Canada.. ;) ..lol i don't i have to go on,,
And last sorry Steady i lied to you.. my truck seems alittle old now so yeah
i will be useing the agel car fund for a new one.. ;)
seeya boyz, looking for your " new mlms are scams posting " :)

[jebaroo]

Originally Posted by April47

Spanky what makes you ASSUME that Lady Mod was the one to delete the Eniva thread? Do you have any PROOF that she did it?

Don't mislead people on this thread and if your going to make comments regarding Lady Mod you better have proof to back it up.

If you choose to respond to this, Spanky....please respond with documentation and not assumptions.


(Wow... those words sound awfully familiar, don't they?)

I have used spank's own words against him many times ....he has NEVER responded.

When it comes to 'debates'; he does not practice what he preaches, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, and he lives in a glass house.

[Steady]

Originally Posted by Agel32008

I like this posting why ?
1.Spanky is right i don't know much about the american legal system.
As april said Im canadian

2. Steady was right, i didn't take my Agels Gels that day as i posted i was going ski dooing, after i was going to be drinking ( beer ) i dont think that would mix well, Steady was also right about the IQ boosts to over 300
thats why once i took them today i went to see the owner of nutriton club Canada.. ;) ..lol i don't i have to go on,,
And last sorry Steady i lied to you.. my truck seems alittle old now so yeah
i will be useing the agel car fund for a new one.. ;)
seeya boyz, looking for your " new mlms are scams posting " :)

WOW Agel glad to hear you're doing well!.. So not only do you have a big downline, you are earning good money from Agel, you are planning to cut the hours down on your job AND you are getting a car fund :eek:

And to think all those peolpe that got inot MLMs and didn't earn a penny. I've finally found somebody that's made it. Tell me your secret ?

[Agel32008]

Originally Posted by Steady

WOW Agel glad to hear you're doing well!.. So not only do you have a big downline, you are earning good money from Agel, you are planning to cut the hours down on your job AND you are getting a car fund :eek:

And to think all those peolpe that got inot MLMs and didn't earn a penny. I've finally found somebody that's made it. Tell me your secret ?

Well Steady o'boy.. i will tell you, but in the way that if it was for you to make an mlm work.. ok ?
1. you would have to know what your talking about, and not come to a site going off halfcocked, ( its a scam it's a scam .. i have ONE FRIEND THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT )
2. it's really bout the product, not the money, if the product is good it will sell it's self
3. having the right leader, ( i don't mean the big hites randy gage, randy schroeder ) they just add you and run add someone new run.. you want someone that will sit/talk with you and help out if needed

thts about it, so go run tell your "one friend " that can't seem to get anyone to join, and after all that and she still can't do it maybe its her not the mlm .. :cool:

p.s. this it's a Eniva thread why did you bring in to it ? ( just asking )

[Agel32008]

this is a Eniva thread ** why did you bring Agel in to it ?

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Agel32008

this is a Eniva thread ** why did you bring Agel in to it ?

I wonder that myself.


Lady Mod

[Steady]

Lady Mod

What MLM do you recommend just out of interest (Just wondering that's all, not to bash it)

[sojustask]

Originally Posted by Steady

Lady Mod

What MLM do you recommend just out of interest (Just wondering that's all, not to bash it)

Anyone who has written me and asked in private as well as on this board I always recommend going with a company that has been around a little while (I'm not fond of new start ups, there is usually an equal number of those that are washouts) and who has products they like to use and recommend to others.

And then I tell them that is how I chose to align myself with the company I am with. I used the products before, use them now and was always recommending them to people and shopped online anyway so it was a natural "fit" for me.

But people have to remember, that just because you like a product and want to sell it doesn't mean that you are going to just sit back and watch money flow in because you are transitioning from consumer to consumer/business person. It's just a different mindset and work ethic and one needs to understand that.

Why do you ask? :)

Lady Mod

P.S. It doesn't bother me if you want to bash it. LOL, my business growth has never been affected even the slightest by recommendations or warnings from "scam.com". Especially when people really start getting a feel for the quality of the posts here and realize it's just not the most accurate place to get personal recommendations from. Everyone has an agenda and it's not always about helping each other.

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[GB84]

webwalker check out this website from MSNBC and decide for yourself...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16655168/

Envia Vibe has been found to contain only 54 % of the claimed Vitamin A. The people on here will defend that claim by saying that Consumerlab.com tested a faulty sample. There is no way that they can prove it was a faulty sample. Who will you believe Consumerlab.com a reputable consumer lab, or someone posting on here with no evidence just heresay.

Vibe costs around 2 dollars an ounce, if people are going to pay that kind of money they should get some answers but the only answers I have been getting from people on this site who support Vibe are references to Vibe websites and the attitude that they dont have to prove anything to me. Just look at the facts

[GB84]

I called the company that publishes the PDR, the book that Envia Vibe cites as proof that it is legit. The company told me that they put any company in the PDR that pays them and the only background check that they do is into the company to make sure it is not a hole in the wall, but they DO NOT check the validity of the products in the PDR. So dont believe VIBE when they cite the PDR as the only evidence of it being a great product search for other evidence, if you find good objective evidence supporting VIBE good for you.

[April47]

I still think it's funny people are making such a big deal out of Vitamin A. Yes, I believe it's important labels are correct, BUT... having less vitamin A doesn't mean it's a bad or harmful vitamin. Heck, you're probably still getting more vitamin A than you would in a pill or tablet.

Lets think about all those vitamins that don't even dissolve and when they do, they have a 10% absorption rate. They don't have warnings on their bottles that you may not even get the vitamins they say they contain and DEFINITELY not the full potency on the label of the bottle. Why aren't we picking on them? Heck, consumerlabs.com even RECOMMENDED one of them that is KNOWN for not dissolving.

Oh that's right.... we only pick on MLM companies. I forgot.



...and Eniva doesn't use the PDR as proof it's legit, it's just another source of information that doctors tend to recommend very highly. There is PLENTY of other evidence that Vibe is a great product, including the results most people get when they take it. So will you guys get over that already? We've beat that conversation to death.

Lastly... what kind of answers are you expecting us to give you? For some strange reason you think every Eniva rep has behind-the-scenes knowledge that other people don't. Well, we don't. We have told you what we know, and that is all we can tell you. If you're not happy with what we have to say, then I guess that's just too bad.

The reason I don't feel I have anything to prove to you is because I have nothing to prove. I'm here to share what I know. That's it. I'm not here to "prove" or "convince" anybody of anything because it's a waste of time and energy, and I'm not here to bend over backwards for anybody who would treat me so rudely. So frankly either treat me with the respect I deserve, or go find out your own information. That's how it works.

Best of luck to you on your search for whatever information it is that will make you happy, GB84.

[GB84]

Well thanks for your help April47 :)