Cyberwize...Let me Know!

shakeit · #1 03-22-2005, 05:47 PM

Hi
There is a group that is opening up Carlsbad, and seem to be doing well. I have been doing research after seeing one of the presentations, and you make money six different ways. Of course there is always strings attached. Or a catch.
Still I would like to know more and any experiences that anyone has had. Thanks

scambuster · #2 03-22-2005, 07:08 PM

Stupid name, Cyberwize. Let that be a warning.

shakeit · #3 03-23-2005, 12:12 PM

I wasn't real clear in my above post. They are based in Sarasota Fl. and have over 88,000 members. I found something on the BBB that said they had to pay 100,000 to the Attorney General but it wasn't clear for what. My cousin is wanting me to get in this so Im trying to do my homework. Thanks for your feedback.

rusty shackleford · #4 03-30-2005, 01:47 AM

my brother gave them my name and one of them called me. i saw the same bbb report that you did but it was too vague. i'm kinda leery because i dont have $99 to waste. i googled it and found no other websites or message boards complaining about then though. i'm gonna try to do some more research and see what i can find.

Hawkewood · #5 03-30-2005, 06:15 AM

It's fair to say I'm biased, because I've been with the company for over a year, but I've been pretty happy with them. They pay on time, their products sell, and the thing with the attorney general's office was based on the actions of an independent business owner, not the company. As a response to that, the company hired a new director of compliance to make sure something like that didn't happen again.
It's not for everyone. No company ever is. Not quite sure about how the perception of the name warrants whether the company is bad or not.

rusty shackleford · #6 03-30-2005, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkewood

It's fair to say I'm biased, because I've been with the company for over a year, but I've been pretty happy with them. They pay on time, their products sell, and the thing with the attorney general's office was based on the actions of an independent business owner, not the company. As a response to that, the company hired a new director of compliance to make sure something like that didn't happen again.
It's not for everyone. No company ever is. Not quite sure about how the perception of the name warrants whether the company is bad or not.

what are some REALISTIC earnings you receive or i can expect?

Hawkewood · #7 03-30-2005, 01:03 PM

Well, there's no way to verify what I make if I tell you here. As for you, without knowing you and your work ethic, I couldn't even begin to speculate. To do so is called an "income claim", which is both illegal and against company policy. Cyberwize, as with all NWMs/MLMs, is required to provide an income disclosure statement in accordance with federal law and by the State Attorney Generals' offices in 23 states. You can view it at www.incomedisclosure.com. Did the person who invited you to the meeting not give you one?

straightshooter · #8 03-31-2005, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakeit

My cousin is wanting me to get in this so Im trying to do my homework.

Homework (due-diligence) is the key. Of course your cousin wants you in it...he/she wants as many people as possible to come in with them.

But now, let's forget about what your cousin wants...the question is, what do you want? Here are some questions you might ask yourself:

1) Do I relate to the products/services?
2) Do I have any real passion or genuine interest in the products?
3) Can I get past the rah-rah meetings and all the talk about how much money people are making and can I see myself fitting into this company's "culture." (How would you describe their "culture"...every company has one...what is this one like?)
4) Am I self-motivated?
5) Am I a people person?
6) Can I pick up that 400 lb. phone and talk with strangers?
7) Do I have funds for investing in leads and prospecting methods?
8) How much time can I invest each week?
9) Do I understand that this is a numbers game? Am I willing to go through the numbers?
10) Can I handle the rejection I will encounter?
11) Do I have a "work ethic?" Can I count on me?
12) Most importantly...can I have FUN doing this?

Of course, there are a ton more questions about the company, comp plan, management, etc, etc,...but the above deals with the "heart/spirit"...that's what you've got to have in any program you choose if you expect to have any kind of success.

Don't let anyone pressure you to make a decision before you are ready to do so. If it's a good opportunity this week, it will also be a good opportunity next week. And by the way...have you looked at other companies? If not, I would suggest you do so. If you are new to the industry, you need to see what else is out there. If you can see yourself in this type of business, then you need to find the company that is the best "fit" for you. Cyberwize may or may not be it.

Best of luck to you!

Hawkewood · #9 03-31-2005, 07:22 PM

Straightshooter,
Very, very well said. Good words to live by in considering any business endeavour. Mind if I quote you when talking to my prospects?
Hawke

shakeit · #10 03-31-2005, 07:56 PM

Very good!!!
Thank you so much. I appreciate your thoughtful input. I did my due dilegence and was impressed with the comp. plan, and the products have done wonders for me. I did find other companies that were really great, but they were saturated. Im going to one of their trainings this Saturday with some other folks here and I will know more then. I will keep you all posted, as I hope you will with me and others.

straightshooter · #11 03-31-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkewood

Straightshooter,
Very, very well said. Good words to live by in considering any business endeavour. Mind if I quote you when talking to my prospects?
Hawke

Don't mind at all...hope it is of some help for you.

All the BEST!!!

brendakc · #12 03-31-2005, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawkewood

It's fair to say I'm biased, because I've been with the company for over a year, but I've been pretty happy with them. They pay on time, their products sell, and the thing with the attorney general's office was based on the actions of an independent business owner, not the company. As a response to that, the company hired a new director of compliance to make sure something like that didn't happen again.
It's not for everyone. No company ever is. Not quite sure about how the perception of the name warrants whether the company is bad or not.

Hawkewood, I don't know anything about your company, so I cannot comment on it. I can't see how the credibility of the company can be perceived from the name either. Consider the source.....

brendakc · #13 03-31-2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by straightshooter

Homework (due-diligence) is the key. Of course your cousin wants you in it...he/she wants as many people as possible to come in with them.

But now, let's forget about what your cousin wants...the question is, what do you want? Here are some questions you might ask yourself:

1) Do I relate to the products/services?
2) Do I have any real passion or genuine interest in the products?
3) Can I get past the rah-rah meetings and all the talk about how much money people are making and can I see myself fitting into this company's "culture." (How would you describe their "culture"...every company has one...what is this one like?)
4) Am I self-motivated?
5) Am I a people person?
6) Can I pick up that 400 lb. phone and talk with strangers?
7) Do I have funds for investing in leads and prospecting methods?
8) How much time can I invest each week?
9) Do I understand that this is a numbers game? Am I willing to go through the numbers?
10) Can I handle the rejection I will encounter?
11) Do I have a "work ethic?" Can I count on me?
12) Most importantly...can I have FUN doing this?

Of course, there are a ton more questions about the company, comp plan, management, etc, etc,...but the above deals with the "heart/spirit"...that's what you've got to have in any program you choose if you expect to have any kind of success.

Don't let anyone pressure you to make a decision before you are ready to do so. If it's a good opportunity this week, it will also be a good opportunity next week. And by the way...have you looked at other companies? If not, I would suggest you do so. If you are new to the industry, you need to see what else is out there. If you can see yourself in this type of business, then you need to find the company that is the best "fit" for you. Cyberwize may or may not be it.

Best of luck to you!

Awesome! Very well said! Have we worked together before? Probably not, because I always talk about the 800 lb. phone! I want to trade in my 800 lb. phone for a 400 lb. phone! Where can I find one? LOL

Mind if I share a story about the 800 lb. phone? Hope not, cause here goes. :)

A few years ago I had some very excited members that were not moving their business forward. Although they knew we were (and still are) involved with an exceptional company, and part of an unbeatable support team that had given us all the tools imaginable to help us succeed, some were just not moving forward.

After working with them one-on-one, making sure they understood the compensation plan, how to find their "why", how to approach people, how to handle objections, how to move on and just say "next" when they got a no, etc., I couldn't understand why these very excited members were not building their businesses.

I finally realized the cause was something all too familiar. They were not taking the first step...a simple telephone call. The fear of picking up that 800 lb. phone was holding them back!

So I shared what I had learned about that dreaded tool. Those 800 lb. phones are hard to pick up, but once you do pick it up, a funny thing happens. It gets lighter the next time, and even lighter the next time. But another funny thing happens. Once you stop picking it up, it starts getting heavy again. Wait too long and it again weighs 800 lbs. The only way to lose your fear of the phone is to pick it up, and pick it up again and again. Being consistent will move your business forward. It's been proven over and over.

I still fight that phone, and I can tell you...I've probably gone back a hundred times and read what I taught my team. Why? Because life happens, and I am unable to work my business some days. Then when I try to pick up that phone, it has gotten heavier again. I'm one of those that will never lose that fear of picking it up again if I am not consistently building my business.

shakeit...you have been given the best advice you will find anywhere. Follow the guidelines straightshooter has laid out for you, and you will find what is right for you.

Best of luck to you in your search. :)

Patti_Reynolds · #14 04-01-2005, 01:57 PM

I was an "IBO" with CyberWize late last year. I lost almost $1200 over four months and this was *after* I built my downline.

Remember that you only have 72 hours to get a 100% refund. http://scam.com/newreply.php?do=newr...ote=1&p=28325#

I found this on another sight. I wish I had seen this last October:

1. In the summer of 2004, CyberWize was fined $100,000 by the Economic
Crime Division of the Florida Office of the Attorney General.

http://www.bbbwestflorida.org/common...ml?bid=6180112

2. Former CyberWize executive Gregg Sturz has said that, "In addition
to the deceptive statements and practices of the Plaintiff its
promotion of an inherently fraudulent pyramid scheme "omits to state a
material fact" when it does not explain to its Êdistributors that the
program is bound to collapse."

http://www.davideisenstein.com/Answe...laim070204.pdf

3. According to the Better Business Bureau, CyberWize has an
"unsatisfactory" record in dealing with customer complaints.

http://www.bbbwestflorida.org/common...ml?bid=6180112

4. In October of 1996, CyberWize owner Mark McCool "agreed to pay
restitution and agreed to a revocation of his insurance license. This
action was based on allegations of utilizing premiums for his own
use."

http://oci.wi.gov/admact/nr1096.htm

5. "The mean average income of the bottom 99% of the active Cyberwize
sales representatives was $5.61 per week (before expenses and taxes
are deducted resulting in a significant loss)."

http://www.falseprofits.com/MythofMLMIncome.doc.pdf

6. CyberWize was fined $3,000 in 2004 through "Project Biz Opp Flop, a
coordinated attack on misleading and bogus money-making schemes."

http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/press/2005/02222005.html

cibagogy · #15 04-04-2005, 03:19 PM

I have been an IBO with Cyberwize for 10 months now. The system works. For any business to work it needs three components. Model your business, any business, after the "E-Myth" book by Gerber and it will succeed. The "System" is one of those three components mentioned by Gerber. Get a copy and let it sink in. Cyberwize is a totally legit company and will become a billion dollar company. The question is: do you want to come on board before they go into momentum? Get back with the person who introduced you to the business and ask them if they are following the system. If not, find someone who is. I am.
Note: it is not a "get rich quick scheme". It is easliy a 5 year plan to freedom.
....... my two cents worth. Have a great day.

RegulationE · #16 04-04-2005, 04:19 PM

I am not a cyberwize affiliate nor do I play one on the internet so take this for what it is worth.

There are people here claiming two things. One it works and two it doesn't. This company has a product and had the money to pay fines in the range of $100,000 for misleading advertising of its product and business opportunity.

I also have not read further into the company site past the first page but it jumps out at me as a program similar to Herbalife, Amway, Shaklee, Tupperware, Mary Kay, etc. and these companies are not scams. They do not work for the majority of people but then again neither do most start up companies. I believe I recently read that 95% of all new businesses fail in the first 5 years now. The percentage changes from time to time but always remains in the high 90% range.

I would vote no, this is not a scam. I would also say this looks like a genuine business opportunity that will require you to work, find customers, and refer other distributors to make much money. Can be done, but most people will fail at it. Most people fail at any start up business.

Bravo · #17 04-05-2005, 11:46 AM

I am a Cyberwize IBO that can't say I'm making millions yet. I just got involved with the business. I got involved because they have an amazing stress reduction product that I know works. If you are looking to add 20 to 30 people a week into your cyberwize or any other home based business let me know. I'd be glad to help you out.

Message me at mrooney20@yahoo.com

Make it a great day!
Bravo

MALACHI 3:10 · #18 04-08-2005, 07:29 AM

Hi! If you are from Carlsbad, CA nice place I used to work there and was born in Oceanside. :)

Regarding Cyberwize...I have been involved in this company since January and I like it quite a bit. There is no business out there that you can NOT invest any money and expect 700% income return. It's no different than buying a McDonalds franchise. You get out what you put into it. If you buy all the products and the building but not open the doors would you make any money? Of course not. People have different income variations..some have more to invest for marketing. Some have more time than money and they use their time wisely and they are just as successful. I would suggest that anyone can "blow" $99 in a meal at a restaurant. There are definately worse things that I have spent $99 bucks on. At least this pays me back and then some.

God Bless

livewell · #19 04-25-2005, 06:29 PM

Straight shooter ï¿½What a FABULOUS quote!!! Those were truly words to live by no matter what company your investing in. You have to do whatï¿½s best for you at all times.

Confession - I too am one of those biased Cyberwize Moneymakers, who appreciates my money being on my Cyberwize MasterCard every Monday at 5PM :D . With that being said Cyberwize.com is an AWESOME company with AMAZING leadership! This company has absolutely changed my life. No, Iï¿½m not a millionaire yet, but with Brad Hagerï¿½s (Double Diamond in Cyberwize) goal to make 100 millionaires, (Quote from the February issue 2004 Millionaire Magazine) Iï¿½m on my way. Just remember that Cyberwize is a Network Marketing Company and you must be prepared to plan your work and work your plan. Itï¿½s not for everyone and we respect that, but we would love for you to come with us!

ï¿½If it is to be itï¿½s up to meï¿½. With Cyberwize youï¿½re in business for yourself, but not by yourself, so if I can help anyone in anyway please let me know. Hope to see you at the top!!!

www.cyberwize.com Nice try. If only it didn't contain your referral number....

www.livewellmarketing@yahoo.com

Be Blessed!!!

:)

Chister · #20 06-26-2005, 12:00 PM

Add another response to the column in FAVOR of Cyberwize.

My wife used to be a personal Trainer and is now a Cyberwize IBO. Her Compensation is more than enough to match her prior earnings. It has made us VERY happy.

www.incomedisclosure.com

I agree with the statements above... you are owning your own business and it IS work.. it is NOT a get rich quick scheme. But if your work ethic is there, then you can potentially make a lot of money... but it is all based on YOU.

If you want to get together to learn everything about the company, visit our website (http://www.stompmarketing.com) or give us a call...(888) 490-0958

deceived_1 · #21 06-26-2005, 12:45 PM

Is this Amway or "Quixstar"??

Chister · #22 07-02-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deceived_1

Is this Amway or "Quixstar"??

No.. Quixtar IS Amway redone.. it is the same company and all that just under a new title.

Cyberwize is a totally different company.

#23 07-04-2005, 08:53 PM

I just wanted to put in my two cents. Cyberwize is a great company that offers several money making opportunities along with great services and products. I think it is great to be involved with a company that offers so much; travel, health and skin care products, the ability to shop online and much more. If you do not want to talk to people then you can use their Add Program. This company is growing at a fast pace and will only get bigger.
www.puckett.cyberwize.com

deceived_1 · #24 07-05-2005, 07:17 PM

WOW!!! They are even "referral" travel agents!!! Another card mill pseudo agent scam. See PRT/GTT threads

Mrdvs · #25 07-26-2005, 01:25 PM

I have been in touch with the Attorney Generals office in Florida, and it's my understanding that it's just a matter on time before they closed down this pyramid scam. Good luck explaining to everyone involved they lost their money.

#26 07-26-2005, 03:24 PM

it is a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chister · #27 07-29-2005, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrdvs

I have been in touch with the Attorney Generals office in Florida, and it's my understanding that it's just a matter on time before they closed down this pyramid scam. Good luck explaining to everyone involved they lost their money.

Hmmm.. I'd be really interested in any official statements the FL AG would be willing to make in regards to the company. Do you have some contact information that you can PM Me?

And for the record, it is not a pyramid scam. Learn what the definition of a Pyramid Scam is before you start throwing that term around so loosely.

Chister · #28 07-29-2005, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deceived_1

WOW!!! They are even "referral" travel agents!!! Another card mill pseudo agent scam. See PRT/GTT threads

Hmmmm... 30 years of Travel insudstry experience...unlike GTT.
The Travel Agent ID cards are issued by the industry... not the company... unlike GTT.

Kevin Costco · #29 10-02-2005, 02:45 PM

Interesting how everyone is ignoring Patti's post. The links she provided told me all I need to know about Cyberwize. And looking at the IDS... who would go for a deal like that?

Thanks Patti.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patti_Reynolds

I was an "IBO" with CyberWize late last year. I lost almost $1200 over four months and this was *after* I built my downline.

Remember that you only have 72 hours to get a 100% refund. http://scam.com/newreply.php?do=newr...ote=1&p=28325#

I found this on another sight. I wish I had seen this last October:

1. In the summer of 2004, CyberWize was fined $100,000 by the Economic
Crime Division of the Florida Office of the Attorney General.

http://www.bbbwestflorida.org/common...ml?bid=6180112

2. Former CyberWize executive Gregg Sturz has said that, "In addition
to the deceptive statements and practices of the Plaintiff its
promotion of an inherently fraudulent pyramid scheme "omits to state a
material fact" when it does not explain to its Êdistributors that the
program is bound to collapse."

http://www.davideisenstein.com/Answe...laim070204.pdf

3. According to the Better Business Bureau, CyberWize has an
"unsatisfactory" record in dealing with customer complaints.

http://www.bbbwestflorida.org/common...ml?bid=6180112

4. In October of 1996, CyberWize owner Mark McCool "agreed to pay
restitution and agreed to a revocation of his insurance license. This
action was based on allegations of utilizing premiums for his own
use."

http://oci.wi.gov/admact/nr1096.htm

5. "The mean average income of the bottom 99% of the active Cyberwize
sales representatives was $5.61 per week (before expenses and taxes
are deducted resulting in a significant loss)."

http://www.falseprofits.com/MythofMLMIncome.doc.pdf

6. CyberWize was fined $3,000 in 2004 through "Project Biz Opp Flop, a
coordinated attack on misleading and bogus money-making schemes."

http://www.doacs.state.fl.us/press/2005/02222005.html

Vindicator · #30 02-04-2006, 06:02 AM

My family and several friends joined Cyberwize 2 years ago. The quality of the products are excellent. However, it is not a get rich quick plan. The business has many hidden cost. Do you really think you can start any business with just $99.00. When we joined we believe in what we were doing. Every time we turned around they change the products. The Health Care Program was great with the residual income and just after we spent MONEY in training, they pulled the program. Ouch! Then the Travel Program was changed from what we purchased, again Ouch!
Your an Independent Business Owner but remember to read the all information before signing any contract with any company, they have the right to change anything should they choose to do so and it is suppose to be legal. You will put in many hours, attend meetings and spend money for tools. So if you don't have the time or money, this business is not for you.
Needless to say, everyone we that we brought into the business is no longer active. It is a JOB! And you better love hard work, people, meetings and using the telephone. Always check with the states BBB and the owners before purchasing any business. I'm not sure who you can trust anymore.
I guess your wondering what we are doing at present, buying the products we like and use and hanging out! You must be in a area where people have the revenue to buy your product and we moved to an area where the general popluation don't have the money to buy it, so keep that in mind. The key here is RESEARCH and understand what you buying. Ask for all information before you sign on the dotted line. Again it is not a get rich program. :cool:

CAI-jtaylor · #31 02-07-2006, 05:40 AM

For an evaluation of Cyberwize, based on extensive research into product-based pyramid schemes, go to -
www.mlm-thetruth.com
Click on the evaluations page, then Cyberwize in the left column.
Then read the research and consumer guides, and you should have some useful info .
upon which to make intelligent decisions.
JMT

Kurious · #32 06-18-2006, 10:06 AM

Anyone approaching Cyberwize with an open and honest mind will soon discover the company is a scam. I first read about CyberWize in the July issue of Your Business At Home magazine. After reading about the company, I was excited to learn of how I could change my life if I joined as an IBO. The excitement wouldn't last long and it was soon replaced with skepticism. I began researching CyberWize, the more I researched, the less I liked.
My conclusion:
The success of any company depends on the marketing and sale of products or services to consumers. If you have no customers you can't move your products or services, so, your business fails.
CyberWize IBOs are the customers. The IBOs are keeping the company in the black by purchasing inventory for future sales and products for personal use.
IBOs that fail to build a downline of distributors will make little to no money.
In 2005 the average commission paid to CyberWize IBOs was $623.74. and 52.15% of all IBOs had no income.

Facts and Figures to think about
IBOs: Brad and Marcia Hager
CyberWize Status: Double Diamond Executive
Distributor downline: 100,000+
CyberWize startup: $99.95

100,000 * $99.95 = $9,995,000 ( That's right, Nine million, Nine Hundred Ninty-Five thousand dollars)

Remove the distributor downline, CyberWize is left with marginal products.

dmc · #33 07-06-2006, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurious

Anyone approaching Cyberwize with an open and honest mind will soon discover the company is a scam. I first read about CyberWize in the July issue of Your Business At Home magazine. After reading about the company, I was excited to learn of how I could change my life if I joined as an IBO. The excitement wouldn't last long and it was soon replaced with skepticism. I began researching CyberWize, the more I researched, the less I liked.
My conclusion:
The success of any company depends on the marketing and sale of products or services to consumers. If you have no customers you can't move your products or services, so, your business fails.
CyberWize IBOs are the customers. The IBOs are keeping the company in the black by purchasing inventory for future sales and products for personal use.
IBOs that fail to build a downline of distributors will make little to no money.
In 2005 the average commission paid to CyberWize IBOs was $623.74. and 52.15% of all IBOs had no income.

Facts and Figures to think about
IBOs: Brad and Marcia Hager
CyberWize Status: Double Diamond Executive
Distributor downline: 100,000+
CyberWize startup: $99.95

100,000 * $99.95 = $9,995,000 ( That's right, Nine million, Nine Hundred Ninty-Five thousand dollars)

Remove the distributor downline, CyberWize is left with marginal products.

You need to define "scam". They have products, they sell them, people earn commissions. By your definition, McDonalds' , Xerox, IBM, Coke are scams too.

Just because you failed to earn money - does not a scam make it.

Many people would be ELATED to earn $500+ in profit every month without a 2nd job.

And the 55% (or whatever) who don't earn money? Are they just customers maybe????

Just my two cents. If you don't make money - that's on you - not on the company.

dmc · #34 07-06-2006, 02:43 AM

go to http://www.mlmwatchdog.com

openQuestion · #35 07-06-2006, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmc

go to http://www.mlmwatchdog.com

Yes, by all means run (dmc) to this site owned and operated by one John Ansart, a gentleman who CLEARLY makes his income from promoting and selling things to an MLM audience. Yet another guy who knows how to make money from this industry (hint: it ain't by being a rep). I'm sure there will be lots of unbiased information to be found there. Have fun!

Beachboy · #36 07-07-2006, 12:48 AM

I have a question.

I know MLM is hard and all that. And I can only speak for the company I am with...which will remain nameless. Those of you who have conversed with me or seen my posts know what company I am with anyway.

My point is this. The income statement from my company is audited and all that...and based on that something like 15-20% of people make over 10K per year. For us that is about 20,000 people making that money. We have roughly 105,000 distributors and we've been around for almost 15 years.

Cyberwise appears to have 80 - 90 total people over 10K per year...out of roughly 90,000. Now, I will NOT call this company a scam. But I have some concerns about people making any real money with them.

Ultimately there are 3 kinds of companies.
1. there are companies that make the corporation money...and the distributor base makes very little. Amway, Mary Kay, and traditional MLM's typically (Not always) fall in this catagory. This is where most people think of the traditional pyramid scheme. (The person at the top makes all the money).

2. there are the companies that area flash in the pan. They pay out a ton, but end up imploding and going out of business. I can't think of any...they go out of business within a few years. These hurt the most, people make bigger money, get used to the income, and then the rug is pulled out.

3. There are those companies that have comp. plans designed to pay both the distributor and the business. There are a few of these...and they are the smart ones.

Looking at the numbers alone I would have to say cyberwise is in the first catagory.

My other concern is that your "Income claims" are almost meaningless. A director with your company can make between $25.00 and $68,000. That's a pretty big range. Especially for an ANNUAL income claim. And with the average director only making 2K...my bet is most make close to nothing.

And face facts...if the company could say a director makes between 18K and 25K per month and we have 2,000 current directors...they would. Why...that's a good number to point to.

Look out for that stuff. It does not make your company a scam...but it should give you an idea as to your chances of making money with a given company. With cyberwise the chances look pretty small. Roughly 0.1 percent if I read things correctly.

Barnacules · #37 07-07-2006, 01:51 PM

My aunt and uncle just signed up for this program a few months ago. They keep talking about there success and project themselves as being super successful and on there way to being millionaires. They have been pushing this business down every family members throat including mine and no matter how much I refuse then continually push it. I think that it is becomming obvious that the only way you can be successful in this business is to lie and cheat your own family and friends in to joining to provide you with a strong downstream to give you an upstream income. They just purchased a new car and have not even been in the program for more then a few months. I think they are trying to project the image of success to get people to bite easier. It actually has me a little depressed.

dmc · #38 07-07-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

Yes, by all means run (dmc) to this site owned and operated by one John Ansart, a gentleman who CLEARLY makes his income from promoting and selling things to an MLM audience. Yet another guy who knows how to make money from this industry (hint: it ain't by being a rep). I'm sure there will be lots of unbiased information to be found there. Have fun!

Open, you stud!!! Are you following me around? Do woo wuv me that much???

I guess after 1300+ posts you need a hobby, huh??? LOL

Negative thoughts make a negative life - I feel for you, junior.

dmc · #39 07-07-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Beachboy

I have a question.

I know MLM is hard and all that. And I can only speak for the company I am with...which will remain nameless. Those of you who have conversed with me or seen my posts know what company I am with anyway.

My point is this. The income statement from my company is audited and all that...and based on that something like 15-20% of people make over 10K per year. For us that is about 20,000 people making that money. We have roughly 105,000 distributors and we've been around for almost 15 years.

Cyberwise appears to have 80 - 90 total people over 10K per year...out of roughly 90,000. Now, I will NOT call this company a scam. But I have some concerns about people making any real money with them.

Ultimately there are 3 kinds of companies.
1. there are companies that make the corporation money...and the distributor base makes very little. Amway, Mary Kay, and traditional MLM's typically (Not always) fall in this catagory. This is where most people think of the traditional pyramid scheme. (The person at the top makes all the money).

2. there are the companies that area flash in the pan. They pay out a ton, but end up imploding and going out of business. I can't think of any...they go out of business within a few years. These hurt the most, people make bigger money, get used to the income, and then the rug is pulled out.

3. There are those companies that have comp. plans designed to pay both the distributor and the business. There are a few of these...and they are the smart ones.

Looking at the numbers alone I would have to say cyberwise is in the first catagory.

My other concern is that your "Income claims" are almost meaningless. A director with your company can make between $25.00 and $68,000. That's a pretty big range. Especially for an ANNUAL income claim. And with the average director only making 2K...my bet is most make close to nothing.

And face facts...if the company could say a director makes between 18K and 25K per month and we have 2,000 current directors...they would. Why...that's a good number to point to.

Look out for that stuff. It does not make your company a scam...but it should give you an idea as to your chances of making money with a given company. With cyberwise the chances look pretty small. Roughly 0.1 percent if I read things correctly.

I applaud you for at least being "open" (no pun intended) to MLM - I am not a rep with Cyberwize, but have been a network marketer since 1993 (and like you - no way in hell I'm saying my company's name - I'd take a bullet for it - but this forum is filled with FABULOUS people who love making fun of things)

It is hard - but again, it aint' powerball. The only people who fail are those who a) don't try, or b) give up 3 feet from gold.

IT'S A BUSINESS! YOu must treat it like that. But my own personal 2 cents - I'd rather spend my time and money NOT having a store, employees, insurance, franchise fees, etc operating a traditional business.

The one thing I like about Cyberwize is the income disclosure. How many other MLM's have that? Zero? I'm honestly asking here. I cant' name one - and if the new FTC "guidelines" happen (mandatory income reporting) - Cyberwize is already ahead of the curve.

My main gripe is the fact that I don't think they pay all that well. With soooo many products and industries they work with (14? 16?), it may be spread too thin.

But here's my bottom line again: 1) they sell products 2) people purchase products 3) people get paid commissions.

That's not a "scam" in my definition of one. Are they a good company? Do you like the products? do they pay fairly? Those are all subjective experiences and not fitting for this forum,I don't personally think. You may hate it, but its' a real and legal business.

Obviouslly, 8+ years and 100,000+ reps has to count for something, most MLM's don't have that.

ARe there other "better" MLM's ? Probably. Are there "worse" MLM's? Probably. But I like the new health drink they have (no ones copied it yet!), and with 16 different industries, pretty much ANTONE can find at least one area to feel passionate about - and sometimes that's all you need to get started.

It is hard, but it's all there for the taking - you just have to put your blinders on and claim it. YOu have to realize - the majority of humankind are nuts and brainwashed - most people you know will NEVER join an MLM even if Jesus came back with a mango -noni - skin cream to sell.

And again - any income claim is someone elses life - not yours. Do you want it bad enought? Do you think Brad Hager quit after 2 weeks? Think he listened to all the sour grapes people on scam.com?

dmc · #40 07-07-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnacules

My aunt and uncle just signed up for this program a few months ago. They keep talking about there success and project themselves as being super successful and on there way to being millionaires. They have been pushing this business down every family members throat including mine and no matter how much I refuse then continually push it. I think that it is becomming obvious that the only way you can be successful in this business is to lie and cheat your own family and friends in to joining to provide you with a strong downstream to give you an upstream income. They just purchased a new car and have not even been in the program for more then a few months. I think they are trying to project the image of success to get people to bite easier. It actually has me a little depressed.

I feel your pain - I've been on both ends of that! - but "lie and cheat" are pretty dumb words to use. Imagine you ate at a great restaurant, then told your friends about it - that's network marketing at it's best and easiest - but some people get hyper about and THEY ruin this industry.

Try not to confuse the individual reps with the company. Most negative reaction to MLM are NOT to the company - but to negative and aggressive reps and their advertising.

But this ain't brainwashing either - if you don't like the products - don't buy them. I don't buy Colgate - I buy Crest. Very simple.

In an ideal enlightened world - people would simply "get" MLM and network marketing, and we'd all be filthy rich , and there would be prosperity and abundance and radiant good health for the world over.

But this isn't an ideal enlightened world - if people are exposed to something "different" - it's immediately "bad". Just because your parents didn't do it - doesn't mean it's not a good thing - just a different thing.

dmc · #41 07-07-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

Yes, by all means run (dmc) to this site owned and operated by one John Ansart, a gentleman who CLEARLY makes his income from promoting and selling things to an MLM audience. Yet another guy who knows how to make money from this industry (hint: it ain't by being a rep). I'm sure there will be lots of unbiased information to be found there. Have fun!

Yes, and someone owning a panda bear gift shop - selling all things panda bear (Happy 1st B-Day Butterstick!) - to panda bear lovers around the world - is SCAMMING those panda loving freaks! How DARE he sell things people want to buy! FOR SHAME!!!

Funny thing though - I can't recall ever buying anything from mlmwatchdog.com - so he isn't making money off me - he should rethink his business plan.

I guess only CERTAIN MLMs are paying him off, to say NEGATIVE things about all OTHER MLM's - to make THEIR company great. Tough crowd.

openQuestion · #42 07-07-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dmc

Yes, and someone owning a panda bear gift shop - selling all things panda bear (Happy 1st B-Day Butterstick!) - to panda bear lovers around the world - is SCAMMING those panda loving freaks! How DARE he sell things people want to buy! FOR SHAME!!!

What in heaven's name are you rambling about??

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Originally Posted by dmc

Funny thing though - I can't recall ever buying anything from mlmwatchdog.com - so he isn't making money off me - he should rethink his business plan.

Do you have a CLUE what the word "promotion" means? Do you have even a small idea of how people make money by promoting this industry while NOT being reps? Go check out the maroons at Visalus and the money they make by being "motivational speakers" -- which is a TOTAL joke considering their total lack of life experience.

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Originally Posted by dmc

I guess only CERTAIN MLMs are paying him off, to say NEGATIVE things about all OTHER MLM's - to make THEIR company great. Tough crowd.

There are plenty of SCAM companies out there, and those are the ones he attacks, which is right. But he promotes ALL MLMs that most people would consider legitmate. It's just like the DSA. They are there to promote the industry, period. Like it or not.

Cyberwize lady · #43 07-09-2006, 02:20 AM

Why don't you just have a sit down with one of the Cyberwize Independent Business Operators? Or go pick up the latest edition of "Your Business at Home" magazine and read up about Cyberwize? The entire magazine is dedicated to Cyberwize this month. I have been a Cyberwize IBO for a few months and I will tell you, you do have to work at building this business if you really want to get anywhere, no question about it. Cyberwize is not for everyone, nor is being a car salesman or realtor. Find something you have a passion for and strive to be the best at it and you will reap what you sow.

If you dont have time to go get the magazine go to the "designabetterlife.com" click on "my links" then click "opportunites" and you can see what it is that everyone is getting excited about. If you like what you see then click on "email me" and in the summary line put "Team Abbie" or "Team Robin" and one of us will actually call you back and answer all of your questions or find the answers for you.

Best of luck to each of you in your search!!!!

#44 07-12-2006, 12:40 AM

straightshooter - kudos to you for your due-diligence list.

(I know this is late, but I appreciate it) :)

aMsgToGarcia · #45 07-15-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dmc

I applaud you for at least being "open" (no pun intended) to MLM - I am not a rep with Cyberwize, but have been a network marketer since 1993 (and like you - no way in hell I'm saying my company's name - I'd take a bullet for it - but this forum is filled with FABULOUS people who love making fun of things)

It is hard - but again, it aint' powerball. The only people who fail are those who a) don't try, or b) give up 3 feet from gold.

IT'S A BUSINESS! YOu must treat it like that. But my own personal 2 cents - I'd rather spend my time and money NOT having a store, employees, insurance, franchise fees, etc operating a traditional business.

The one thing I like about Cyberwize is the income disclosure. How many other MLM's have that? Zero? I'm honestly asking here. I cant' name one - and if the new FTC "guidelines" happen (mandatory income reporting) - Cyberwize is already ahead of the curve.

My main gripe is the fact that I don't think they pay all that well. With soooo many products and industries they work with (14? 16?), it may be spread too thin.

But here's my bottom line again: 1) they sell products 2) people purchase products 3) people get paid commissions.

That's not a "scam" in my definition of one. Are they a good company? Do you like the products? do they pay fairly? Those are all subjective experiences and not fitting for this forum,I don't personally think. You may hate it, but its' a real and legal business.

Obviouslly, 8+ years and 100,000+ reps has to count for something, most MLM's don't have that.

ARe there other "better" MLM's ? Probably. Are there "worse" MLM's? Probably. But I like the new health drink they have (no ones copied it yet!), and with 16 different industries, pretty much ANTONE can find at least one area to feel passionate about - and sometimes that's all you need to get started.

It is hard, but it's all there for the taking - you just have to put your blinders on and claim it. YOu have to realize - the majority of humankind are nuts and brainwashed - most people you know will NEVER join an MLM even if Jesus came back with a mango -noni - skin cream to sell.

And again - any income claim is someone elses life - not yours. Do you want it bad enought? Do you think Brad Hager quit after 2 weeks? Think he listened to all the sour grapes people on scam.com?

Mary Kay provides a monthly newsletter that reports the personal commissions earned by every distributor at or above the Director level. No, I am not in Mary Kay (I am guy whose studied several comp plans and picked one). Wealth or Bust... now, that's American.

dmc · #46 07-17-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aMsgToGarcia

Mary Kay provides a monthly newsletter that reports the personal commissions earned by every distributor at or above the Director level. No, I am not in Mary Kay (I am guy whose studied several comp plans and picked one). Wealth or Bust... now, that's American.

That's why Mary Kay has been around as long (and as successful) as it has - good values. I think Cyberwize has every rep listed (although not personally!), don't they? Even the non-worker bees who just use the product (those earning $0, most likely).

If the FCC has their way, every MLM will have to do that - should the corporate world do it too? Should the fry cooks at McDonalds' publish their salaries???

buildmore · #47 07-19-2006, 07:01 AM

dmc,

I guess that all depends on whether or not they can prove that the fry cooks are selling fries to other fry cooks and so on.

worn T-Shirt · #48 07-20-2006, 12:08 PM

That old one about eating at a great restaurant has been used by MLM/NW so many times and quite frankly it's a bit old hat. Some people are careful when recommending anything as tastes and opinions vary widely. For example I may favour a particular restaurant but my best friend might hate it,so I would be careful in my wording. Also if I see a great movie someone I recommend it to may have an opposing view. Part of lifes rich tapestry.

MLM KING · #49 07-24-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyberwize lady

Why don't you just have a sit down with one of the Cyberwize Independent Business Operators? Or go pick up the latest edition of "Your Business at Home" magazine and read up about Cyberwize? The entire magazine is dedicated to Cyberwize this month. I have been a Cyberwize IBO for a few months and I will tell you, you do have to work at building this business if you really want to get anywhere, no question about it. Cyberwize is not for everyone, nor is being a car salesman or realtor. Find something you have a passion for and strive to be the best at it and you will reap what you sow.

If you dont have time to go get the magazine go to the "designabetterlife.com" click on "my links" then click "opportunites" and you can see what it is that everyone is getting excited about. If you like what you see then click on "email me" and in the summary line put "Team Abbie" or "Team Robin" and one of us will actually call you back and answer all of your questions or find the answers for you.

Best of luck to each of you in your search!!!!

Very wise Post!! I am not a Cyberwize rep. I do however believe this post makes great sense. I will tell you, you do have to work at building this business if you really want to get anywhere, no question about it. Cyberwize is not for everyone, nor is being a car salesman or realtor. Find something you have a passion for and strive to be the best at it and you will reap what you sow. Especially this part. You can apply it to any MLM not just Cyberwize!! I am in another MLM and actually have a few friends involved in Cyberwize, they are doing well with it. Good Luck to those considering this MLM!

joyceee · #50 07-25-2006, 05:33 PM

Well I just checked out cyberwize on-line and what I've read in here it seems like a bussiness that I would not enjoy. My family wouldnt either ! Thanks for your help !