Wealth Masters International?

[sdr66]

I've been reading that a lot of Liberty leaguer's are moving to this company. Has anyone heard of wmi? Just wondering if it's another knockoff the the LLI scam.

[Skeptic Al]

I know someone who has left LLI and went to WMI. They are similar to LLI, Coastal Vacations, PAS. They appear to be the classic Aussie 2up. They have the overpriced initial product and the overpriced "conferences". Of course there is the website, phone calls, leads, same old same old. Same crap different pile. They profess to provide financial advice, tax and estate planning, etc. I wouldn't trust the person I know who joined WMI to run a hot dog stand (no offence to hard working hot dog stand operators) let alone give anyone financial advice. They don't have any credentials, education or experience to be in this field. If you see their website you might get the impression they are actually successful at this, not!

Again, it's all about recruitment and selling a dream. Do some searches on the internet and you will find people who have had bad experiences with WMI. I know, I know, these are the people who didn't put in the effort or have the right mindset, yada yada yada. Even though they sell it that you can make a fortune working 2-4 hours a day and basically be a complete imbecile as long as you have the right attitude. Of course you will need to attend all the "conferences" and buy all the other stuff to ensure your success.

COME ON FOLKS, WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR TOES! The more I research and find out about these "opportunities" the more I'm amazed that any thinking, rational person falls for it. I guess P.T. Barnum was right. One thing I will agree with the promoters of these "opportunities" is, you will get what you deserve.

[Skeptic Al]

Check out this link and the FAQ section at the bottom of the article.

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

They also have a post in the thread "Whats wrong with MLM?" under the name DivineRite on this site. This could be one of the best articles I have come across regarding MLM/Network Marketing. I believe it's a must read for anyone considering joining any of these "opportunities".

[Mugsy Siegel]

First off I want to mention that I am not affiliated with Wealth Masters International or any mlm/network marketing firm, and I am not writing this reply with the expectation to offend, but to educate. To respond to the above statements, I want to touch base on the business of network marketing. If you have recieved proper business and financial education, one would understand the components that drive network marketing and see the lucrative and solid model it presents. All corporations are "pyramids" and have production cash flow all the way up to the CEO or President, from the work of others. MLM/ Network Marketing is designed to provide the same opportunity for those lower in the corporate pyramid as that of a CEO. It is a production based business and breeds success from a strong work ethic, dedication, perserverance, discipline and knowledge.

I again am not affiliated with Wealth Masters International or any mlm/network marketing opportunity, but I have explored Wealth Masters and observed that it is an educational, legitimate and lucrative opportunity. To defend WMI against the above criticism, I first want to express that WMI's consultants are not the enitities providing the financial adivce. WMI has set up an alliance of established corporations who specialize in estate planning, financial planning, credit restoration, etc. Those are the alliances who provide the advice, not the consultants. Second, the compensation plan that WMI offers is not an Aussie 2-up. The compensation plan is based on direct sales (consultants recieve income from every sale that they make from the beginning), as well as residual income. To be candid in replying to the above critiques, do not express your opinion about a subject or a business when you do not have knowledge of or understand the business.

MLM/ Network Marketing does not have the positive reputation it deserves, because there have been businesses who have exploited their affiliates for money, as well as affiliates who do not understand the discipline and dedication needed to become wealthy and if wealth does not come to them asap they moan and groan negative ******. And the same holds true for any industry that exists, one bad seed grows into negativity. But overall the businesses associated in network marketing are positive. Do your due dilligence and research and survey those affiliated with the business, and make an informed decision.

Last, I want to make a point for all non mlm/networking believers. Forbes annually distributes a list of its Top 20 Small Businesses, and on its 2006 list (as well as in previous years) one of the businesses mentioned is Usana Helath Sciences, a publicly traded network marketing company. I believe that statement speaks for itself. Also, go to a bookstore and purchase or briefly read through Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki's new book. It contains a section dedicated to their thoughts and opinions on Network Marketing. It is up to you to read their comments, but their feedback is positive.

[abfav]

Any idea how to find an objective non-biased review of WMI? I have read a few press releases but those are completely biased, and a few of negative comments on some boards, but I am still interested...but very cautious. Thanks

[ohein56]

Geee....Look at all the pretty money signs and BIG Commissions!!!

WOW!

You have GOT to be kidding!? :eek: :confused:

No Thank You.

I wouldn't touch that with any pole. Pretty web site but I couldn't see past all the pretty RED FLAGS!? :eek:

Good luck to all concerned.

I'd do some more, ...LOTS more homework. WEALTHmasters,... is your first clear indication/red flag.

The emphesis on money is the entire deal. It looks like LLI on steroids!

I would RUN away!

jmo

Kerry

[Wealthyfreeman]

Couple of observations:

-MLM is something from the 90's. Many 'conventional' companies have adopted MLM principles replacing or complementing their traditional sales and marketing. Bit dated now.

-A small percent of people engaged in MLM made good money, but that is really the same everywhere. It's a pretty consistent top 5% that makes it happen where others struggle by. For example research the top in the Real Estate business or Franchise business or jewelry business. Same everywhere.

- Our current environment (globalization+ Internet) provides us with ultrasmart ways to make money using available tools. Couple of examples:
-Youtube (created 1.65B USD in just over 1 year in business simply swapping video's...)
-Google (still a simple search engine like there are 1000's generated 1B USD revenue last quarter where others failed)
-Milliondollarhomepage (1 million dollar was created in just 4 months by selling pixels online)
-Second life millionair (lady from Germany made 1 million dollar in just a year playing the game part time)
-Guy trading a paperclip for a house on EBay

They are scams? Not really but yes they are unconventional. Notice that the underlying framework is also extremely simple mainly utilizing already existing tools...

See the pattern? For people who have purpose, think outside the box, doing unconventional things, staying away from negative criticism, are dedicated, have fun: Life is abundant with opportunities!

Nothing to do with scamming or greed. They play, have fun, live their lifes and make insane amounts of money... And everybody likes them!

To raise above MLM and not step into any opportunity for the wrong reasons, I strongly would suggest to look into so called 'direct sales' opportunities.

Most of the actual 'selling' can be automated and has been automated. What remains is a small, understandable basic process that is 'outsourced' and can be learned by many people and reused to create their own wealth in their own space.

Notice that the traditional hard selling has transformed itself into coaching which is a wonderful way of making money. On the internet, nobody sells. Instead, people buy and will not allow to be sold to because they have so much choice now! Try to sell someone something online and your prospect is running so fast to any other site you will never see him back...

The key components of the 'ultrasmart' ways of making money are available to a much wider audience now and are really worth investigating especially when they have a proven track record and when expanding.

Stay far away from the stuff with track record less than 5 years is my honest advice. 5 years is a critical point: companies who grow are scrutinized and monitored by all kind of bureaus, administrations, bureaucrats, lawyers. A filter that works ... everytime. Use it to your advantage as you probably paid for the services already with you taxes anyway!

One quick example to conclude with: a good friend of mine now making between 30 and 40K per month after she joined an old-style MLM business that everybody thought was operating in saturated market long time ago. Ok, not my choice but I admire her.

How she did it? She got authentic, designed whole new way of generating leads and has dedicated herself to helping others doing the same. People are astonished and rejoining her... Would her motivation have been greed only, then she would have surely failed.

Don't let your level of skepticm totally eclipse your capacity to generate wealthy for others and yourself.

Wealthy Freeman

[Wealthyfreeman]

When Donald Trump was asked in an audience what he would choose to do should he not be doing what he is currently doing, he answered that he would certainly be in MLM business...

The audience giggled and actually booed him.

He calmly responded: your behavior shows why you are there while I am up here...

It's really your mindset that determines where you will end up in life. Be ultraskeptic and you will always find objections why something doesn't work. Be out-of-the-box thinker and you will always find opportunities and figure out ways to make it work!

Your brain picks up the things based upon its filter: the mindset. If you are planning to buy your new BMW, everybody suddenly seems to drive that same car...amazing stuff!

[Real Wealth]

I do think that WMI is a good company with a good product but there was one thing that concerned me with their program.

As I was searching for an opportunity, I asked them how many people were successful in their program. No one could ever give me an answer.

They could recite every other number about their business but they never kept track of how many people in their downline :eek:

That is completely untrue...they know exactly how many people are making money...thats how they make a lot of their money.

Now I am not putting the program down, I am just saying that most are not successful.

So I waited until I found a program where they could tell me how many people are successful. Good luck to all and make sure that you find the right mentor!

[seeker68]

Originally Posted by ARW24

Couldnt have put it any better myself. Every year for the past five years there has been a pizza shop on the corner that goes out of business and every year another comes by. They all lose money like crazy. Does that make them a scam? 90% of all businesses fail! Everything in life is a gamble, my lord. If you dont have the phone , marketing, and leadership skills you will fail at network marketing. And if you dont cultivate those skills ( which takes time) then you have no shot. People want quick success or dont want to get better. That is why people fail.

I agree, and I want to add that that the mlm industry is not alone in peddling the dream of easy wealth. I live in New Zealand, and I have seen the rise and rise of the education industry over the past 20 years. The education providers sell the dream that a million dollar job awaits the student after they have successfully completed a course and gained a qualification. However, it seems that most people find that gaining that dream job isn't as simple as the education-pushers claim. I know many (including myself) who have successfully completed courses and struggle, or are unable to secure jobs even within the lowest ranks of the job market. Whether you join a mlm scheme, open a pizza shop, or embark on some fantastic career you will be faced with hard graft. But I think if you are: single-minded, determined, NEVER give up and not put off by setbacks, learn from your mistakes, stay positive, you can succeed.

[Mark Worthen]

I'd be glad to share my experience with anyone reading this thread. Feel free to contact me via email or PM (click my name above), IM (AOL, MSN, & Yahoo listed on the upper right and GTalk & Skype listed below) or phone (below).

Best Regards,

Mark

[successguru7]

Wealth Masters is just another bs bizopp like emerald and prosperity international (megawealthy) and all the recent clones, trying to justify itself using online education as it's product. It does bring some respect and credibility in that sense, but anybody objective who checks out the site can quickly see the education is overpriced garbage.

Even if it was a good comp plan, you are still part of the scam machine. I'm not denying some super networkers will make a fortune at it, but I think you could have more luck and more satisfaction in the end, getting a real entrepreneur education and starting a real unique business of your own.

On that note, check out university of victory .com. I know the guy personally from about 12 years back and he is a real successful entrepreneur who has put together quite an amazing program. He does offer an affiliate marketing deal but it is not nearly as rich as the scamsters whose product doesn't cost anything to produce. I think the program is $7000 and commission is $1000.

here is a link to a youtube video by Victory.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Q_4PrXRD00

Compared to trump university or success university, this program is leagues beyond (and more expensive, but it's the only one that will actually coach you through the process of getting a business up and running.)

s.g.

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by successguru7

Wealth Masters is just another bs bizopp like emerald and prosperity international (megawealthy) and all the recent clones, trying to justify itself using online education as it's product. It does bring some respect and credibility in that sense, but anybody objective who checks out the site can quickly see the education is overpriced garbage.

How do you know that if you haven't seen the product?

Even if it was a good comp plan, you are still part of the scam machine. I'm not denying some super networkers will make a fortune at it, but I think you could have more luck and more satisfaction in the end, getting a real entrepreneur education and starting a real unique business of your own.

But then in the next paragraph you promote an affiliate program, not a "real unique business of your own." I guess you are saying that if people buy your friend's product then they can start a successful business of their own. If that's the case, what successful, "real unique business" did you start as a result of the education you received from the University of Victory?

On that note, check out university of victory .com. I know the guy personally from about 12 years back and he is a real successful entrepreneur who has put together quite an amazing program. He does offer an affiliate marketing deal but it is not nearly as rich as the scamsters whose product doesn't cost anything to produce. I think the program is $7000 and commission is $1000.

You think an affiliate program that pays 14% is good? Most affiliate programs pay at least 25% and several pay 50%. If you want to work hard and have your friend earn 86% while you earn 14%, be my guest. I'd rather work hard and earn 50% of the revenue.

here is a link to a youtube video by Victory.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Q_4PrXRD00

Compared to trump university or success university, this program is leagues beyond (and more expensive, but it's the only one that will actually coach you through the process of getting a business up and running.)

s.g.

Let me get this straight: You bash a financial education program that costs $1495 and which you have never seen but you expect us to trust you that your friend's $7000 financial education program is worth it?

Your friend's program might indeed be worth $7000. However, I doubt you are going to persuade many people to join it by attacking another company based on your prejudiced opinion. You might have more success if you disucssed the benefits of the Victory program and how it has helped you start your own successful "real unique business."

Sincerely,

Mark

[honestEd]

Just checked out an online ad for WMI. This is the part I liked the most. "Make sure that the products being sold are legitimate stand alone products". Would anyone hazard a guess as to how many of the $1495 packages with the $1200 commissions have been sold to ANYONE who wasn't interested in pursing this as a business? Or perhaps the $5500 seminars with the $4000+ commissions?

Sorry, the ad is very polished and smooth but the reality is that while it may not be a scam it is certainly being touted as a get rich, pretty quick scheme (as in replace your current annual income in two to three months) and a lot of people are going to "invest" a lot of money in their "education". And hopefully in time they will join the ranks of the slow and steady win the race and leave the b.s'ing of others to those who can do it and still sleep well at night.

Ed

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by honestEd

Just checked out an online ad for WMI. This is the part I liked the most. "Make sure that the products being sold are legitimate stand alone products". Would anyone hazard a guess as to how many of the $1495 packages with the $1200 commissions have been sold to ANYONE who wasn't interested in pursing this as a business? Or perhaps the $5500 seminars with the $4000+ commissions?

Your numbers aren't accurate. If anyone reading this wants to review the compensation plan in detail, PM, email, or call me.

Originally Posted by honestEd

Sorry, the ad is very polished and smooth but the reality is that while it may not be a scam it is certainly being touted as a get rich, pretty quick scheme (as in replace your current annual income in two to three months)

I would agree that most people, in this or other direct sales or network marketing businesses, do not replace their current annual income in two to three months although some have done it. Others do it in a year. Others don't make any money.

If you don't make any or not much money, you can blame it on the company, its products, your sponsor, etc. or you can take responsibiity for your own actions or lack thereof.

I'm not saying that there aren't scams being marketed on the Internet. However, many people don't succeed and then turn around and blame the company, even calling it a "scam" rather than looking at themselves.

As I imagine you would agree, successful people are successful because they combine a good opportunity--and they are always looking for good opportunities of many types, e.g., investments, real estate, consulting, etc.--with determination, discipline, and a strong desire to turn their dreams and aspirations into reality.

Originally Posted by honestEd

and a lot of people are going to "invest" a lot of money in their "education". And hopefully in time they will join the ranks of the slow and steady win the race and leave the b.s'ing of others to those who can do it and still sleep well at night.

I agree with you that the slow and steady win the race. And I believe that investing in education and gaining access to professionals and investment opportunities one would normally not know about or be exposed to can be--for those that choose it--part of the slow and steady accumulation of wealth and abundance in one's life.

Sincerely,

Mark

[honestEd]

Your numbers aren't accurate. If anyone reading this wants to review the compensation plan in detail, PM, email, or call me.

Caught again! Sorry, I was using figures from when I first looked at WMI six months ago. The actual numbers are $1100 commission on the $1495 package and $5500 commission on the now $8,495 seminar event. These figures come directly from the www.wmitoday.com website. My apologies for not checking there first.

I also find it interesting that most of the online ads for Wealth Masters have dropped the "not MLM' and "not Network Marketing" now that Donald Trump has publicly come out in favour of it! All of a sudden it's cool to be a Network Marketing company.

I am not holding a grudge against WMI. In fact I considered joining at one point. But after doing my due diligence I realized I did not want to have to keep up at least one $1495 minimum sale every month in order to keep my position. As with most mlm/direct sales companies they work best for the full time people. The same can be said about selling real estate too.

I'm guessing that after the initial excitement has subsided most people who buy in won't be able to keep up the momentum and will quietly make a exit with a good lesson learned. Hey, that's okay, I've paid for my education in this business many times over as I am a slow learner. That is why the company I am with now only costs $50/month to qualify so if I don't make too many sales I can cover it easily.

Best of luck to those who do get involved and I hope it helps make all your dreams come true. But I am willing to bet most of those involved today will not be involved two years from now. That is just the nature of the biz.

Ed

[thequotediva]

Hi, well yes I actually got started with WMI myself last year and I'm afraid to say my experience was not a pleasant one. Fortunately it all worked out for the best in the end however if you'd like to learn what happened to me just read my review at: http://dreamachievers.ws/wmi.html I hope this helps.

[StellarGirl]

For those wondering regarding this point: I can tell you with certainty that there are people who have joined WMI just for the investment opportunities that are presented at the M2. How do I know? Because I just returned from an M2 conference in San Diego and I met a couple of already wealthy people who have told me they are mostly interested in the investments presented through WMI. So such investors do exist.

And I don't have any official statistics but i'd venture to guess that out of a few thousand members - a few hundred earn at least 8K-40K consistently every month. These are the people who actually treat this business like a business.

For those people who buy the M1 and take advantage of its features the value they receive far outweighs the price, even if they don't make a single sale.

The company is not just about financial wealth - its about total wealth. It's hard to be overall wealthy if you are health poor, time poor, freedom poor.
The M2 conference was maybe 60% about investments and 40% about wisdom (political and economic education), alternative health, and success coaching.
Our speakers had extensive and impressive credentials - some were widely published authors, university professors, internationally known speakers, and management teams with proven long-standing track records.

I do not write the above to prove anything to anyone or convince you of anything. There are plenty of great companies out there and great leaders within each company.
Just a thought to keep in mind though. I would run, not walk, from any person who puts down other companies and other products.
1) Immature/juvenile
2) Spiteful/nasty
3) Ignorant
4) Crass/crude
5) Obviously has no faith in self and own company/product therefore the only way to make self/company/product look good is to put down everything and everyone else

NOT someone I would want to give thousands of dollars to or do business with. What about you?

My sponsor at WMI was one of the leaders at LLI. She still supports her team there regularly. She already made great money at LLI and came to WMI initially only for the investments. I have now met many of former LLIers on two different occasions and I have never heard the truly professional people whether from LLI or not complain or rant about anything. The only ones who complain or put down are those that will always complain and put down - no matter what.

For those of you who have doubts about WMI you need to get in on one of the calls and listen to the sincerity and integrity of the co-founders and consultants in this company.

Thanks for taking the time to read this - I know you are great.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by StellarGirl

For those wondering regarding this point: I can tell you with certainty that there are people who have joined WMI just for the investment opportunities that are presented at the M2. How do I know? Because I just returned from an M2 conference in San Diego and I met a couple of already wealthy people who have told me they are mostly interested in the investments presented through WMI. So such investors do exist.

And I don't have any official statistics but i'd venture to guess that out of a few thousand members - a few hundred earn at least 8K-40K consistently every month. These are the people who actually treat this business like a business.

For those people who buy the M1 and take advantage of its features the value they receive far outweighs the price, even if they don't make a single sale.

The company is not just about financial wealth - its about total wealth. It's hard to be overall wealthy if you are health poor, time poor, freedom poor.
The M2 conference was maybe 60% about investments and 40% about wisdom (political and economic education), alternative health, and success coaching.
Our speakers had extensive and impressive credentials - some were widely published authors, university professors, internationally known speakers, and management teams with proven long-standing track records.

I do not write the above to prove anything to anyone or convince you of anything. There are plenty of great companies out there and great leaders within each company.
Just a thought to keep in mind though. I would run, not walk, from any person who puts down other companies and other products.
1) Immature/juvenile
2) Spiteful/nasty
3) Ignorant
4) Crass/crude
5) Obviously has no faith in self and own company/product therefore the only way to make self/company/product look good is to put down everything and everyone else

NOT someone I would want to give thousands of dollars to or do business with. What about you?

My sponsor at WMI was one of the leaders at LLI. She still supports her team there regularly. She already made great money at LLI and came to WMI initially only for the investments. I have now met many of former LLIers on two different occasions and I have never heard the truly professional people whether from LLI or not complain or rant about anything. The only ones who complain or put down are those that will always complain and put down - no matter what.

For those of you who have doubts about WMI you need to get in on one of the calls and listen to the sincerity and integrity of the co-founders and consultants in this company.

Thanks for taking the time to read this - I know you are great.

Time will tell!

Good luck to you & all your "investors". :eek: :rolleyes:

Kerry

[Mark Worthen]

Hey Kerry,

Might you have more to offer than a sarcastic comment? I don't mind someone critiquing a business but how about giving some substance to the criticism?

It would be like someone writing, "Make money from greeting cards? What a joke! Good luck with that. :rolleyes: "

If someone made a comment like that it would be clear that they hadn't researched SendOutCards but they were just making a sarcastic comment to ... make a sarcastic comment.

I happen to think SendOutCards is a great company with a superior product, in fact, I'm also a distributor although I mainly signed up at that level because it was the best deal and I wanted to use the cards for my other businesses.

I welcome your constructive critique based on thoughtful analysis and thorough review of a company. :)

Respectully Yours,

Mark

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Mark Worthen

Hey Kerry,

Might you have more to offer than a sarcastic comment? I don't mind someone critiquing a business but how about giving some substance to the criticism?

It would be like someone writing, "Make money from greeting cards? What a joke! Good luck with that. :rolleyes: "

If someone made a comment like that it would be clear that they hadn't researched SendOutCards but they were just making a sarcastic comment to ... make a sarcastic comment.

I happen to think SendOutCards is a great company with a superior product, in fact, I'm also a distributor although I mainly signed up at that level because it was the best deal and I wanted to use the cards for my other businesses.

I welcome your constructive critique based on thoughtful analysis and thorough review of a company. :)

Respectully Yours,

Mark

Mark,

I've offered more than a sarcastic comment on many companies, many times!

I took a good look at this "opportunity", I don't like what I see. I see red flags, what can I say!? I'm entitled to my opinion and voicing of same.

If someone took a good look at SOC and determined that it's a scam, so what!? Who CARES! It's their "opinion".

They are entitled to their opinion! As am I!

That's what forums are for, are they not!?

There are many others here pointing the "scam finger" at WMI, much more blatantly & obvious than I have, I might add!

The key reasons(other than the fact that, I love the SOC product & service!), I chose SOC is that the true "value" is relatively easy for the average person to discern!

In many programs, the true "value" is not so readily available. In many deals, one must really dig to find the true value, it's very hard to discern! With those smoke and mirror programs, debates as to "worth" and "true value" seem to be the norm. Especially around here! :rolleyes:

If one can't stand the heat, I guess one should stay out of the kitchen!

Mark, you also said;

I happen to think SendOutCards is a great company with a superior product, in fact, I'm also a distributor although I mainly signed up at that level because it was the best deal and I wanted to use the cards for my other businesses.

Thanks for the resounding endorsement of SOC! I don't see anyone chiming in to the WPI thread with comments like that about their "product". Everyone's jazzed about their "investment" and the $ they'll make!

That, is a huge red flag in NWM no matter how you slice it!

HUGE question to ask about any business or "opportunity", "Would anyone realistically ever purchase this product or service WITHOUT participating in the income opportunity?"

With SOC, obviously, YES!! Thanks for confirming that, Mark!

WPI? ...I've definately made up my mind.

When people start chiming in raving about WMI's great product & service only, I might start changing my tune. Till then, all I see is more hype, "smoke & mirrors", and "investors" excited about earning "potential". :rolleyes:

Sorry if you don't like my honest answer, it's the only one I've got!

Thanks, Mark! For allowing me to "clarify" my position.

Best to you.

Kerry

[PowerOfCards]

It's clear that Kerry is completely against anything but his company.

He's in an awesome company but to completely throw down any other company is foolish.

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by *****OfCards

It's clear that Kerry is completely against anything but his company. (My emphesis!-KLH)

He's in an awesome company but to completely throw down any other company is foolish.

Please, I'm entitled to my opinion aren't I? This is a public forum is it not?

There are many great, wonderful companies out there. I'm simply expressing my honest opinion. What we can determine POC, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that I don't particularly care for WMI! It's no secret! I didn't like BurnLounge either! Why weren't you sticking up for them when I was voicing my concerns about that SCAM! It's gone now! Along with the hopes and dreams of many, I might add!

POC, I'm not going to change my opinion or voicing of same, about any company, for you or anyone else!

besides, Why is it necassary for me to endorse every company out there, POC? It's NOT!

Give it a rest. :confused: WMI & their distributors don't really need you sticking up for them do they?! :rolleyes:

POC, in case you hadn't noticed, the name of this site is SCAM.COM. If you think something's a scam, here's the perfect place to voice your opinion about it, honestly!

It's one of the reasons I like this forum.

Again, If one can't stand the heat, I guess one should stay out of the kitchen!

As I said, POC, give it a rest. We're all adults here, aren't we?

Sorry my honest opinion ruffled your WMI feathers!

Thanks for the opportunity!

Kerry

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by *****OfCards

It's clear that Kerry is completely against anything but his company.

He's in an awesome company but to completely throw down any other company is foolish.

POC, in the signature of your member profile it states, "Get The Truth!"

Why is my "truth" any less valid than yours?

I get the idea that at one time you liked and endorsed "honesty".

What gives? What's changed?

:confused:

Kerry

[ohein56]

POC,

Here's an excerpt from the forum rule book;

These are the only things I don't want to see on this board:
posting people's personal information,
death threats,
hate posts,
harrassing the mods,
pornography, and
spam links to affiliate ids or
trying to steal our traffic to promote your own site.

Aside from that, I want
arguments,
debate, and
runaway threads.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Nuff said?, Was I out of line?

I'm done with this "issue", I hope you are!.

Kerry

After extensive research, I’m not convinced that this opportunity has the fastest ROI in the business model. However, I have found a company with a 17-year track record, who offers an outstanding turnkey business model, for ordinary people, who are SERIOUS about HELPING OTHER PEOPLE and making a six figure annual income!!

This company teaches you how to do Internet marketing and has amazing on-going training and support for your business! They offer a suite of online educational courses in Personal Development and Financial Literacy that will educate and em***** people to take control of their financial lives. (Not some over priced lotions, potions, pills or ****** drinks that you can purchase cheaper somewhere else) Nor do you have to chase your friends and family to earn a great living. The compensation plan is also not MLM!!

They also provide world-class training held via conference calls every day and a very lucrative compensation plan! You earn a minimum of $1000 per transaction! This is the greatest online Home Based Business on the Internet!! It’s changed our lives & it can change yours as well…. so take a look and you be the judge!!

I would recommend this home business opportunity to ANYONE!

Visit my website for more details. After you watch a 5-minute movie, if you like what you see, fill out the contact form for more information. The automated system will email me immediately and I will provide you with FULL ACCESS for you to do your due diligence research without any hype or pressure of any kind. I am the ONLY person that will ever see your information and will NEVER use it for any reason, except to provide you with this info. You may automatically delete your information from my system at any time.

Check it out the 5-minute informational movie at Imaspammer.whatever

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by little t 1227

After extensive research, I’m not convinced that this opportunity has the fastest ROI in the business model. However, I have found a company with a 17-year track record, who offers an outstanding turnkey business model, for ordinary people, who are SERIOUS about HELPING OTHER PEOPLE and making a six figure annual income!!

This company teaches you how to do Internet marketing and has amazing on-going training and support for your business! They offer a suite of online educational courses in Personal Development and Financial Literacy that will educate and em***** people to take control of their financial lives. (Not some over priced lotions, potions, pills or ****** drinks that you can purchase cheaper somewhere else) Nor do you have to chase your friends and family to earn a great living. The compensation plan is also not MLM!!

They also provide world-class training held via conference calls every day and a very lucrative compensation plan! You earn a minimum of $1000 per transaction! This is the greatest online Home Based Business on the Internet!! It’s changed our lives & it can change yours as well…. so take a look and you be the judge!!

I would recommend this home business opportunity to ANYONE!

Visit my website for more details. After you watch a 5-minute movie, if you like what you see, fill out the contact form for more information. The automated system will email me immediately and I will provide you with FULL ACCESS for you to do your due diligence research without any hype or pressure of any kind. I am the ONLY person that will ever see your information and will NEVER use it for any reason, except to provide you with this info. You may automatically delete your information from my system at any time.

Check it out the 5-minute informational movie at Imaspammer.whatever

How funny. I tried to send little t a private email letting them know we don't like spammers around here. But, they set it up to not allow other members any email access!!

I guess little t doesn't like SPAM either! :eek: :confused: :mad:

Yet her post is spam! Go figure!

SPAMMERS ARE SCAMMERS!!

Kerry

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Mark,

I've offered more than a sarcastic comment on many companies, many times!

How do your sarcastic comments help people discern which opportunities are scams and which are not?

I took a good look at this "opportunity", I don't like what I see. I see red flags, what can I say!? I'm entitled to my opinion and voicing of same.

Of course. I was simply asking you to articulate your specific concerns rather than offer only an offhand sarcastic barb.

If someone took a good look at SOC and determined that it's a scam, so what!? Who CARES! It's their "opinion".

They are entitled to their opinion! As am I!

That's what forums are for, are they not!?

Sure, I'm simply looking for informed opinions. I don't think your opinion is based on thorough investigation; you offer no specifics; and you refer to the company with the wrong initials. Doesn't seem like you read very carefully.

The key reasons(other than the fact that, I love the SOC product & service!), I chose SOC is that the true "value" is relatively easy for the average person to discern!

In many programs, the true "value" is not so readily available. In many deals, one must really dig to find the true value, it's very hard to discern!

With those smoke and mirror programs, debates as to "worth" and "true value" seem to be the norm. Especially around here! :rolleyes:

You seem to equate multifaceted programs with more complex and varied products and services with "smoke and mirrors." I don't get the connection.

It's as if you would always recommend McDonalds over a 5-star Indian restaurant that serves a large variety of dishes of remarkable complexity because McDonald's value is easy for the average person to understand. You would dismiss the 5-star Indian restaurant since it might take a little education on the subtle differences between curry dishes to begin to appreciate the value.

If one can't stand the heat, I guess one should stay out of the kitchen!

Huh? You mean if I challenge you to be more specific it means I can't stand the heat? Your logic escapes me.

Mark, you also said;

Thanks for the resounding endorsement of SOC! I don't see anyone chiming in to the WPI thread with comments like that about their "product".

You're welcome. It doesn't threaten me to praise other companies. There are a lot of good companies where people can make a part-time or full-time income working from home. SendOutCards is one of them as is the company I represent.

Why don't you give me a call and I'd be happy to go over in detail the products and services our company provides and their benefits? Then you could write your opinions with more facts at your disposal.

Everyone's jazzed about their "investment" and the $ they'll make!

When people join your SOC team they are not excited about the business?

That, is a huge red flag in NWM no matter how you slice it!

HUGE question to ask about any business or "opportunity", "Would anyone realistically ever purchase this product or service WITHOUT participating in the income opportunity?"

With SOC, obviously, YES!! Thanks for confirming that, Mark!

You're welcome, again.

WPI? ...I've definately made up my mind.

That's clear.

When people start chiming in raving about WPI's great product & service only, I might start changing my tune. Till then, all I see is more hype, "smoke & mirrors", and "investors" excited about earning "potential". :rolleyes:

Sorry if you don't like my honest answer, it's the only one I've got!

It may be honest but it's based on speculation--not thorough review, thoughtful analysis, and careful research.

At least that's my opinion based on what you've said (and not said).

Thanks, Mark! For allowing me to "clarify" my position.

Okay, you're welcome.

Mark

[ohein56]

Originally Posted by Mark Worthen

How do your sarcastic comments help people discern which opportunities are scams and which are not?

Of course. I was simply asking you to articulate your specific concerns rather than offer only an offhand sarcastic barb.

Sure, I'm simply looking for informed opinions. I don't think your opinion is based on thorough investigation; you offer no specifics; and you refer to the company with the wrong initials. Doesn't seem like you read very carefully.

You seem to equate multifaceted programs with more complex and varied products and services with "smoke and mirrors." I don't get the connection.

It's as if you would always recommend McDonalds over a 5-star Indian restaurant that serves a large variety of dishes of remarkable complexity because McDonald's value is easy for the average person to understand. You would dismiss the 5-star Indian restaurant since it might take a little education on the subtle differences between curry dishes to begin to appreciate the value.

Huh? You mean if I challenge you to be more specific it means I can't stand the heat? Your logic escapes me.
You're welcome. It doesn't threaten me to praise other companies. There are a lot of good companies where people can make a part-time or full-time income working from home. SendOutCards is one of them as is the company I represent.

Why don't you give me a call and I'd be happy to go over in detail the products and services our company provides and their benefits? Then you could write your opinions with more facts at your disposal.


When people join your SOC team they are not excited about the business?

You're welcome, again.

That's clear.

It may be honest but it's based on speculation--not thorough review, thoughtful analysis, and careful research.

At least that's my opinion based on what you've said (and not said).
Okay, you're welcome.

Mark

Mark,

I've already expressed and addressed most of your "issues" that you brought up in your post, previously in the thread. I expressed my concerns from my brief stay at the site. I'm not looking for a business any ways. I looked close enough at WPI to satisfy myself, and to know that I won't look any more. It would be a waste of my time.

I feel the same way about quite a few companies out there. But Hey, whatever floats your boat! Such is life, one man's garbage is another man's treasure!

I have yet to ever align myself with a company in NWM that's failed me or been shut down. I've been around this industry long enough to know what a legitimate, long term business looks, acts, and smells like. IMHO, & WMI ain't it, for me. You?!, ....knock yourself out! JMHO

You said;

It may be honest but it's based on speculation--not thorough review, thoughtful analysis, and careful research.

Who cares!? Why would I waste my time on that process? I'm not an MLM insider, activist, or MLM reporter with a following hanging on my every word! Have you spent all that time & effort on WPI analyzing it, & if so what conclusion(s) have you come to? Not that it matters a whiff to me.

Just curious.

You also said;

You mean if I challenge you to be more specific it means I can't stand the heat? Your logic escapes me.

No, it means that if you can't handle someone voicing thier personal opinion about something without getting all wound up needing "proof" & "substantiation" of my opinion, especially when my "claims" were toned way down compared to some of the others negative remarks, then you should stay "out of the Kitchen", so to speak.

Again, sorry if I ruffled your feathers!?

If so, sorry I rained on your parade.

It is what it is.

Good luck with your business.

Kerry

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Mark,

I've already expressed and addressed most of your "issues" that you brought up in your post, previously in the thread. I expressed my concerns from my brief stay at the site. I'm not looking for a business any ways. I looked close enough at WPI to satisfy myself, and to know that I won't look any more. It would be a waste of my time. [emphasis added]

Thank you, that answers my question.

Who cares!? Why would I waste my time on that process?

I don't know. In fact, since you don't care, I'm not sure why you have expended so much time and ****** looking at the company, posting your sarcastic comment about the company, and responding to me about the company.

I'm not an MLM insider, activist, or MLM reporter with a following hanging on my every word! Have you spent all that time & effort on WPI analyzing it ...

Yes.

... & if so what conclusion(s) have you come to? Not that it matters a whiff to me.

Just curious.

It's even better than SendOutCards, which is an excellent company.

No, it means that if you can't handle someone voicing thier personal opinion about something without getting all wound up needing "proof" & "substantiation" of my opinion,

I'm not wound up; quite relaxed actually.

Okay, I understand now. The definition of opinion, according to the American Heritage Dictionary is "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof."

Again, sorry if I ruffled your feathers!?

If so, sorry I rained on your parade.

My feathers are intact and unaffected by rain. ;)

Good luck with your business.

Kerry

Thank you. And I wish you massive success with Send Out Cards! :)

Mark

[mark@wealthbydesigntoday.]

I looked over the WMI opportunity for weeks before I decided it was for me. So far I've listened to most of the Cd's in the M1 package and to many of the available training audios on line.

First off, the Sandy Botkin tax seminar alone would be an asset to any business owner and will teach you how to more than recoup the initial $1,500 start up fee probably your very first year in business. This seminar is a must for anyone who is truly interested in saving as much of your hard earned money as legally possible! There is no need for me to go on and on about the details, Google his name and you will get a very good idea of the value of this product!

Secondly, the Wealth Acceleration Program is saving people an average of $200,000 on the debt they owe. Currently that is for home owners, but they are making another package available for people that only have credit card debt. Again, what is wrong with paying a $1,500 start up fee to have access to a program that can save you an average of $200,000 in payments that normally go to the bank. There's what, billions of dollars of money (trillions, I don't know) in home loans and credit card debt and this opportunity gives you access to a piece of that pie. You not only make money off the sale of the M1, but you also make an average of $1,000 for each $200,000 that you help a client save! That bonus is payed up front, not after the debt is eliminated.To see more on that go to their web site www.imindebtbigtoday.com

Thirdly, if you payed to take the courses that you have free access to,to learn how to market and grow your business, you'd probably spend much more than $1,500. Again, the start up fee is well worth it just to learn how to market.
Experienced professionals teach you what they did that worked and what cost them lots of money with no results! Advertising cost a lot of money, the money you save alone from others mistakes will save you well over the $1,500 start up fee.

They also have an affiliate that will review your last 3 years of tax returns free of charge! If you can get an adjusted tax return, you pay a percentage of the return, if not, you pay nothing! Trust me, if a company isn't confident that they can get you a return, they wouldn't waste time going over your taxes!

I could go on and on. The point is, they didn't name the company Wealth Masters International for nothing! They truly are the Masters of Wealth!

I hope this helped clarify more about the company and the product. If I can answer any questions for you, you can email me at



Sincerely,
Mark Draugelis

[TimClark222]

WOW, There is a lot of good information in the argument above. Some even might be great. I am a WMI supporter. I talked with someone today who is earning around $500K a year in Network Marketing. Of course he has been with Usana for many years. I know there are people who are making large incomes in Networking and it would be foolish to say otherwise. However, some of the fact about Networking still to this day surprise me. I understand that only about 8% of all people in Networking earn over $10.00 a month? that's not exactly CEO Pay? With People making so little income, how in the world has it continued as a business for so many years? Well the reason is simple.

You see, there are about 500,000 people looking to start a home based business before lunch time everyday. It is stated that 70 Million people will begin a Home based business in the Next 3 Years. This is what I would call new money. As long as New Money continues to enter the marketplace, those other scam MLM's will bring in the dough as well. OK, Enough rambling. Here is what I came to say.

The well to do Investor who is making $500,000.00 a year is looking into WMI for the investing portion of it. He understands that he will pay $8995.00 to go to a seminar in Florida in December and that is when he will be introduced to the Financial guru's who get these incredible returns on Investments. He told me he has paid much, much more than that to be introduced to great investments in the past and that is not a problem. He said "If you wanna Play, sometimes you gotta Pay." WMI has plans to go public in the next 4 - 5 years and that is entertaining to me. I love having Stock option in a company before it goes public knowing they could jump up and be worth 100 times their current value. That is how many millionaires have been made in this country.

Finally, I would like to say that I would be no where still today if it were not for WMI. I love this company. I love the Above Ceo Pay I am earning. I love the owners and my wife of 30 years doesn't mind the competition a bit.

Have a wonderful life. Good luck to you all no matter what you do to make a living.

Tim Clark
LifeStyle Designer
Wealth Masters International

[abfav]

Isn't it true that should you try to access the services that are recommended in the product, none of those services are included in the price of your product? It's one thing to say that the product includes "ACCESS to a CPA or asset protection firms", but if you want to actually ACQUIRE those services, that would a completely separate fee that's made payable to those particular firms. It's not included in the product.

And if so then what is the $1500 for when you have to pay above and beyond for the services their alliance companies provide. For example Foundation Financial Solutions provides the Wealth Acceleration Program (WAP) for Wealth Masters. But I can just call them directly and get the same exact services even if I've never heard of WMI. This is true of all of their alliances.

Thanks for your $.02

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by abfav

Isn't it true that should you try to access the services that are recommended in the product, none of those services are included in the price of your product? It's one thing to say that the product includes "ACCESS to a CPA or asset protection firms", but if you want to actually ACQUIRE those services, that would a completely separate fee that's made payable to those particular firms. It's not included in the product.

Of course it isn't. At the risk of sounding too blunt, would you really expect to pay $1500 for the services of up to ten or so different professionals, each working several hours on your behalf?

I recently paid an attorney $2000 for eight hours of work--an average fee for quality representation. That was only one professional helping me with a very specific legal issue. I mention this example to highlight the fact that it would be quite unrealistic to expect a company to provide access to--and to pay in advance for--the quality professional services of ten or more firms or professionals for $1500.

Originally Posted by abfav

And if so then what is the $1500 for when you have to pay above and beyond for the services their alliance companies provide.

The "what it's for" question is answered in detail on the corporate website, the business presentation site, on conference calls held three times a week, and from individual Consultants.

I'd be happy to provide you with the URL's to the websites and a schedule of the conference calls and to answer your question personally--just contact me back channel, i.e., send me an email or an instant message, or call me.

Originally Posted by abfav

For example Foundation Financial Solutions provides the Wealth Acceleration Program (WAP) for Wealth Masters. But I can just call them directly and get the same exact services even if I've never heard of WMI.

Absolutely! And it's a great program, I encourage anyone to at least apply for the free consultation. I have info on my site (in signature below) regarding how to do that.

The company encourages Consultants to introduce potential customers or future Consultants to the Wealth Acceleration Program. The idea is to provide potential customers with an opportunity to sample one of the alliances so that you get an idea of the quality of services available

If the company gave away the information on all the alliances and why their services might be important for you, that would be like giving away free legal, financial, or medical advice.

Giving away professional advice is, of course, a good thing to do. And if you are starting a nonprofit charity or running a governement social services agency you would want to do just that. Naturally, you would have to find someone other than the recipients to pay for the assistance, e.g., donors or taxpayers.

But, as you know, we are talking about a business here, which means the customers--not philanthropists or your tax dollars--pay for the access to valuable information and resources.

Originally Posted by abfav

This is true of all of their alliances.

Yes, if you know what they are and you have all the contact information for each alliance and you know what they do and why it might be important for you.

That's the point that is sometimes not readily apparent, i.e., if the average person knew what they needed to know and knew how to obtain the services, there wouldn't be a need for the course and professional services network (alliances).

It's a classic case of "you don't know what you don't know." Unless you purchased the course yourself (or illegally obtained a copy, which I'm assuming you wouldn't do), I doubt you would know what to look for, let alone which companies, firms, or professionals provide services in each of the knowledge areas covered in the course.

If after researching the company, talking with a Consultant (and getting all your questions answered), and listening to conference calls you are uncertain about whether this is the best opportunity for you, it probably isn't the best opportunity for you! And, of course, that's okay--it's not for everyone.

All the Best,

Mark
--
Mark D. Worthen, Psy.D.

[abfav]

Originally Posted by Mark Worthen

Of course it isn't. At the risk of sounding too blunt, would you really expect to pay $1500 for the services of up to ten or so different professionals, each working several hours on your behalf?

I recently paid an attorney $2000 for eight hours of work--an average fee for quality representation. That was only one professional helping me with a very specific legal issue. I mention this example to highlight the fact that it would be quite unrealistic to expect a company to provide access to--and to pay in advance for--the quality professional services of ten or more firms or professionals for $1500.

Yes I would definitely expect for $1500 to do more than just have an introduction to these people. What is the point of just meeting them if I cannot utilize their services without paying thousands more. And your comment about paying an attorney is irrelevant. That is hiring them for their legal services for a specific issue. This is not the same at all.
Can you provide more info on the costs of utilizing those additional services/professionals? We should know EXACTLY what those alliances will cost and see some real proof of what earnings. Thank you for your consideration.

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by abfav

Yes I would definitely expect for $1500 to do more than just have an introduction to these people. What is the point of just meeting them if I cannot utilize their services without paying thousands more. And your comment about paying an attorney is irrelevant. That is hiring them for their legal services for a specific issue. This is not the same at all.

I disagree.

Originally Posted by abfav

Can you provide more info on the costs of utilizing those additional services/professionals? We should know EXACTLY what those alliances will cost and see some real proof of what earnings. Thank you for your consideration.

Call me and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. But first read the websites I posted above--it seems you have not done that based on your questions.


Sincerely,

Mark

[abfav]

Originally Posted by Mark Worthen

I disagree.

Call me and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. But first read the websites I posted above--it seems you have not done that based on your questions.


Sincerely,

Mark

Actually, I HAVE read EVERY post above Mark. I will continue my research.

Can one get started without purchasing the product?

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by abfav

Actually, I HAVE read EVERY post above Mark. I will continue my research.

Can one get started without purchasing the product?

My bad. I said above that I would send the URL's for the websites, I didn't actually post them.

I'll send them to you in a PM and you can also check out the website in my sig file.

Yes, you can become a Consultant without purchasing the products, although it's not the best way to start the business IMHO. But details are on the websites if you want to explore that option.

Best Regards,

Mark
--
Mark D. Worthen, Psy.D.

[evensmarter]

Hello everyone!

So you're considering or researching Wealth Masters International...

Before I say anything about Wealth Masters International (WMI) let me first say two things to you:

1: I own and operate a regulated financial services company in the UK and have been in the fs industry since 1999 - so it's fair to say I know what I'm talking about when it comes to many aspects of financial services. My own company is authorised and regulated by the UK governments financial services watchdog: The Financial Services Authority.

2: All comments in this thread by anyone, including me, are but a matter of perspective, based on personal experience (hopefully) or they are an interpretation of someone elses experience (I think that's called hearsay!).

Obviously some perspectives are positive and some are negative - as witha ll things - and there will be very definite underlying reasons as to why this or that person has come to this or that perspective, and you should seek to uncover those reasons to discover the truth behind any statements - positive or negative.

The key question is 'where will your own perspective come to rest, and based upon what personal due dilligence conducted exclusively by you?'.

Sadly the majority of people, throughout the world, are pretty ignorant when it comes to financial services and certainly when it comes to real lasting wealth creation and asset protection.

One of the obvious reasons for this is that most people simply have not taken the time to study money properly and effectively.

And one of the reasons for this is that the formal education systems, again throughout the entire world, simply do not em***** or prepare people to deal with or understand money as it pertains to adult life.

Stop and think about this because that system affected you too at school and then on, certainly, into adult life! Remember Rich Dad, Poor Dad?

So is Wealth Masters International a scam?

Not from my perspective.

Absolutely not.

As an industry professional who is very concerned about em*****ing and enabling people I spent nearly six months conducting my own due dilligence on WMI and other companies too . I then bought their products and studied them. Then and only then did I finally decide to become an independent Wealth Masters consultant. Why?

Because WMI is a company with a *****ful and timely vision, providing superb products and, for me, it is a perfect fit with my own business and strategically too. I'm a firm beleiver in collaberation rather than competition.

Wealth Masters International provides affordable and well researched (one could say essential) educational materials as well as 'non conflict of interest' access to professionals, where it operates, who have proven expertise and track records within financial services and other industries. What I mean by 'non conflict of interest' is that WMI derives no income from introducing you to those financial services or other professionals. Hence no conflicts of interest. Each provider or alliance partner with WMI undergoes a process of ongoing due dilligence and also the alliances themselves perform due dilligence upon WMI.

WMI derives its income solely from the sale of its educational products and sale of tickets to its sell out private wealth creation conferences.

I believe Wealth Masters International offers any adult a unique opportunity, not only for learning, but also as a serious home based business opportunity for indivuals seeking to break free from the shackles of working for someone else. Previous financial services experience is NOT required or necessary. But integrity is.

WMI provides a *****ful and easy-to-understand-and-promote business model and offers an unrivalled compensation plan too, that when worked, can and does provide executive level incomes.

Obviosly I could say much more about the company but the main aim of this post is to present a perspective not only from a personal and professional point of view but also from an international point of view. Listen guys - I'm from the UK!

Wealth Masters is going places. Of that you can be sure. The question is will your own financial future be created by having an association with WMI, either as a customer or a consultant or both?

Do not under estimate the significance of this company, its vision, its success stories, or its alliances.

I truly hope this helps you.

If you would like to talk to me further about WMI please visit my Myspace profile, learn a little more about me and then contact me. I'll gladly answer any of your questions and also help you ongoingly with your own business should you decide to start with WMI.

Shaen Flint.

To Your Freedom.

[Daniel_Shop]

Originally Posted by Wealthyfreeman

When Donald Trump was asked in an audience what he would choose to do should he not be doing what he is currently doing, he answered that he would certainly be in MLM business...

The audience giggled and actually booed him.

hahaha :D same old arguments from the training program

Yes, Donald Trump is now in MLM. He is one of the inverstors of UVMe

Actually what Donald Trump was saying is that he would be selling tickets to the game. And he is indeed doing it!

The bottom line is: Do you want to be the one that sell tickets to the game or you want to be the one that buys tickets to the game??

MLM is a legit business and MLM is the future but it's been prostituted.

[WPIripoff]

Originally Posted by ohein56

Mark,

I've offered more than a sarcastic comment on many companies, many times!

I took a good look at this "opportunity", I don't like what I see. I see red flags, what can I say!? I'm entitled to my opinion and voicing of same.

If someone took a good look at SOC and determined that it's a scam, so what!? Who CARES! It's their "opinion".

They are entitled to their opinion! As am I!

That's what forums are for, are they not!?

There are many others here pointing the "scam finger" at WPI, much more blatantly & obvious than I have, I might add!

The key reasons(other than the fact that, I love the SOC product & service!), I chose SOC is that the true "value" is relatively easy for the average person to discern!

In many programs, the true "value" is not so readily available. In many deals, one must really dig to find the true value, it's very hard to discern! With those smoke and mirror programs, debates as to "worth" and "true value" seem to be the norm. Especially around here! :rolleyes:

If one can't stand the heat, I guess one should stay out of the kitchen!

Mark, you also said;

Thanks for the resounding endorsement of SOC! I don't see anyone chiming in to the WPI thread with comments like that about their "product". Everyone's jazzed about their "investment" and the $ they'll make!

That, is a huge red flag in NWM no matter how you slice it!

HUGE question to ask about any business or "opportunity", "Would anyone realistically ever purchase this product or service WITHOUT participating in the income opportunity?"

With SOC, obviously, YES!! Thanks for confirming that, Mark!

WPI? ...I've definately made up my mind.

When people start chiming in raving about WPI's great product & service only, I might start changing my tune. Till then, all I see is more hype, "smoke & mirrors", and "investors" excited about earning "potential". :rolleyes:

Sorry if you don't like my honest answer, it's the only one I've got!

Thanks, Mark! For allowing me to "clarify" my position.

Best to you.

Kerry

If THE WPI you are talking about is Wealth Pools International please stay away in fact RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, IT'S A TOTAL SCAM !!!!

After researching this home business opportunity I’m not sure you can make significant income very fast. But I have found a Business Opportunity that can make significant income in a short period of time.
As a Christian Businessman, it was important to me to find a legitimate home business that has quality products.
I found a company with a 17-year track record of helping ordinary people create extraordinary income!! They provide a business opportunity marketing an amazing line of on-line educational products that em***** people with knowledge and education to become financially independent. The educational products are Personal Development and Financial Literacy. They provide world-class training held via conference calls daily and a very lucrative compensation plan! You will be assigned a “ Personal Mentor” who is Already earning a multiple Six Figure Income with this amazing automated system, and they will Teach You How To As Well! This opportunity will let you take control of Your Life and Your Career! This Industry is called Webucation. Forbes Magazine calls this The Next Mega Trend Industry Online.
You earn a minimum of $1000 per transaction, & Six Figures Per Year possible Part Time!!! Not MLM!!
Visit my websites at:

[Daniel_Shop]

so, How did it work in the end?

please send updates :D

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by Rose1954

After researching this home business opportunity I�m not sure you can make significant income very fast.

What do you base that on? It's certainly not been my experience or that of many Consultants in the company. I get the feeling that your primary purpose in posting is to promote your own opportunity, not to contribute anything new or helpful to this thread.

Originally Posted by Rose1954

But I have found a Business Opportunity that can make significant income in a short period of time.
As a Christian Businessman,

Would your business not be appropriate for a Jewish businessman? Is being a self-described Christian required or expected for this company? As a "Christian Businessman" are you saying you are better in some way than businessmen and women of other faiths?

Originally Posted by Rose1954

It was important to me to find a legitimate home business that has quality products.
I found a company with a 17-year track record of helping ordinary people create extraordinary income!! They provide a business opportunity marketing an amazing line of on-line educational products that em***** people with knowledge and education to become financially independent. The educational products are Personal Development and Financial Literacy.

Your company is Emerald Passport using the Passport to Prosperity system (AKA Six Figure Income School). I invite anyone reading this to directly compare the two companies based on information you obtain from Rose1954 and information you receive from me and from your due diligence research. Ask us both detailed questions. I am confident that the majority of you will reach a different conclusion than Rose1954.

Originally Posted by Rose1954

They provide world-class training held via conference calls daily and a very lucrative compensation plan! You will be assigned a � Personal Mentor� who is Already earning a multiple Six Figure Income with this amazing automated system, and they will Teach You How To As Well! This opportunity will let you take control of Your Life and Your Career! This Industry is called Webucation. Forbes Magazine calls this The Next Mega Trend Industry Online.
You earn a minimum of $1000 per transaction, & Six Figures Per Year possible Part Time!!! Not MLM!!
Visit my websites at: ExecutiveSixFigureIncomeOnline.Biz
TheIdealHomeBusiness.biz
Call; 877-364-2197 toll free.

One important difference to note is that Emerald Passport uses a 2-up compensation model. You earn nothing for your first two sales. Your sponsor receives the commission for your first two sales.

With my company you earn a minimum $700 commission with your very first sale (for many Consultants it's $900). Thus, even if you make only two sales you will have almost broke even whereas with Emerald Passport if you make two sales you haven't made back any of the money you spent to get started.

I'm not saying the 2-up compensation model is evil. Some people do very well with it. It's simply not a comp plan I would feel confident promoting.

All the Best,

Mark

MarkWorthen.com[/url] - Among other features of the site, I offer a personal perspective on the business I represent, including what I regard as the "hidden benefits."

- Free ticket to watch the famous "Brilliant Compensation" video plus info about the business I represent

[ASPIRATION9179]

I am currently researching Wealth Masters with an eye to joining. I am very enthusiastic about some of the aspects of the program that are advertised on the marketing websites. I am interested in a review from someone who has actually purchased and participated in the program as to its value. If you could please elaborate on your experience with these following points advertised on their website, I would appreciate it.

First of all, are there any additional or hidden fees to join, or is the $1495 entry level all inclusive? What kind of additional expenses should I expect in starting this business?

What has been your experience with the VIP Marketing Assistants? Do they actually work as advertised in closing sales with the leads you direct to them? How easy or difficult is it to find or generate good quality leads?

It would appear to me that with VMAs, my only jobs are to use the products and engage in marketing to produce leads. Is this an accurate picture? Is there duplicatable marketing training in place? Does WMI assist you in learning how to find leads consistently? How comprehensive is the training?

How does getting paid work? Do customers literally just send you checks or do you need to accept credit cards? Do I need to worry about getting a merchant account or does the company assist you with that process? What kind of contact should I expect to have with my customers, realistically? The marketing materials make it seem like it would be little to none, unless I wanted to because of the VMAs.

What about the products? Is the course understandable and accessible for people with little or warped previous experience in dealing with their money? Is the material covered practically applicable to our unique financial situations? Are there any study materials provided to assist in learning and applying what is talked about?

What about the alliances? Have you found these alliances to be useful in helping to you? What kind of services and prices should I expect? Is there a sufficient amount of useful services available inclusive in the $1495 M1 price? What about the Wealth Acceleration Program, is that included in the $1495 or is it an additional service? How exactly does that work?

Thank you very much for your time and assistance in responding. I look forward to hearing back from someone with actual experience with the program.

Many blessings of health and prosperity for all!
Namaste,
Alina

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by ASPIRATION9179

I am currently researching Wealth Masters with an eye to joining. I am very enthusiastic about some of the aspects of the program that are advertised on the marketing websites. I am interested in a review from someone who has actually purchased and participated in the program as to its value. If you could please elaborate on your experience with these following points advertised on their website, I would appreciate it.

First of all, are there any additional or hidden fees to join, or is the $1495 entry level all inclusive? What kind of additional expenses should I expect in starting this business?

What has been your experience with the VIP Marketing Assistants? Do they actually work as advertised in closing sales with the leads you direct to them? How easy or difficult is it to find or generate good quality leads?

It would appear to me that with VMAs, my only jobs are to use the products and engage in marketing to produce leads. Is this an accurate picture? Is there duplicatable marketing training in place? Does WMI assist you in learning how to find leads consistently? How comprehensive is the training?

How does getting paid work? Do customers literally just send you checks or do you need to accept credit cards? Do I need to worry about getting a merchant account or does the company assist you with that process? What kind of contact should I expect to have with my customers, realistically? The marketing materials make it seem like it would be little to none, unless I wanted to because of the VMAs.

What about the products? Is the course understandable and accessible for people with little or warped previous experience in dealing with their money? Is the material covered practically applicable to our unique financial situations? Are there any study materials provided to assist in learning and applying what is talked about?

What about the alliances? Have you found these alliances to be useful in helping to you? What kind of services and prices should I expect? Is there a sufficient amount of useful services available inclusive in the $1495 M1 price? What about the Wealth Acceleration Program, is that included in the $1495 or is it an additional service? How exactly does that work?

Thank you very much for your time and assistance in responding. I look forward to hearing back from someone with actual experience with the program.

Many blessings of health and prosperity for all!
Namaste,
Alina

Hi Alina,

Those are excellent questions that I wish I could answer directly here on the forum. However, the company's policy prohibits us from using the company name in advertisements, websites, blogs, and forums because they want an even playing field when it comes to Search Engine Marketing.*

I would be happy to answer your questions directly should you wish to message me here or contact me via email, IM, or phone (see the Contact link in my signature below). In fact, I've prepared an email the answers your questions point by point.

I also address many of your questions on my website, where I do not use the company's name so that I remain in compliance, but where you'll know which company I'm talking about. :sunglasses:

All the Best,

Mark

*If you know what you're doing you can generate a lot of referrals to your websites via Search Engine Marketing, with forum participation being an important component of your SEM plan.

[karakares]

I've been seriously looking into joining Wealth Masters and have spoken with a few people who are also considering joining. I found out that you can join without paying the full price they are asking for, which is $1495 for the entry level product. If you shop around for a sponsor you will find many who are giving promotions and selling the product at a discount. They said that their top producer does this all the time, that is how he became the top producer in sells and that now the president of the company told all of the people in it to discount the products too to make more sales so that everyone can have the quick results that this Jay person has. But they also said not to sign up under this Jay person because you don't even get to talk to him unless you are planning on buying the more expensive items, then he'll talk with you, otherwise he has other people he pays to take his calls for him, so it is better to find someone who will give you the discount and teach you the business. We're all looking for a sponsor who will give a good discount and talk with us, if anyone has found one please let me know.

EPI .... LLI spinoff .... COX/SILER/REISNER were 3 of the LLI snakes w
who were involved in the early setup .... Panama based ... CEO has a fake name

WEALTH MASTERS ... Kubesek and company from LLI /// enough said?

Rose:

As a Christian Businessman, it was important to me to find a legitimate home business that has quality products.

I found a company with a 17-year track record of helping ordinary people create extraordinary income!!


PLEASE ... YOU SOUND LIKE DARNELL AND THE SNAKE BOY WEIRTZEL WITH YOUR "CHRISTIAN" BULL****


Nice try Mr Jim Baker ...

[Mark Worthen]

Originally Posted by Mark Worthen

Hi Alina,

Those are excellent questions that I wish I could answer directly here on the forum. However, the company's policy prohibits us from using the company name in advertisements, websites, blogs, and forums because they want an even playing field when it comes to Search Engine Marketing.*

I would be happy to answer your questions directly should you wish to message me here or contact me via email, IM, or phone (see the Contact link in my signature below). In fact, I've prepared an email the answers your questions point by point.

I also address many of your questions on my website, where I do not use the company's name so that I remain in compliance, but where you'll know which company I'm talking about. :sunglasses:

All the Best,

Mark

*If you know what you're doing you can generate a lot of referrals to your websites via Search Engine Marketing, with forum participation being an important component of your SEM plan.

To make this easier, I posted my answers to Alina's questions online. To keep with the guidelines of the company I have password-protected the page, which means it will not show up in search engines. The password is "wmi" (without the quotes).

The web page is:

NOT HERE

Also feel free to contact me directly with any questions about the products or business opportunity.

Best Regards,

Mark