Help! I need input on Arbonne MLM scheme

fladodge · #1 09-18-2006, 12:57 AM

Hi all Scam.Commers,
I have a dilemma - my sister in law has jumped in head first into a MLM and has spent a bundle of money and committed more, now she is trying to solicit other members of our family to join in, does anyone have any information on the Arbonne line of products or any experience with the company. I would be very grateful for any input, as I believe that if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Thanks

April47 · #2 09-18-2006, 02:27 AM

The Arbonne products and company overall seem really good... but they have a clause in their policies and procedures that should raise some concern.

It's a "terminate at will" clause. Which means you could build an enormous business, be making tons of money, and be terminated from the company (get the business taken from you, checks and all) because maybe someone's having a bad day at the company... and there would be nothing you could legally do about it.

That clause alone is enough to make me stay away from the company, because I want my rights protected. I don't mind when P&P's say that you can be terminated if you violate a rule... but one that says you can be terminated for no reason? That's just a little rediculous.

openQuestion · #3 09-20-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by April47

The Arbonne products and company overall seem really good... but they have a clause in their policies and procedures that should raise some concern.

It's a "terminate at will" clause. Which means you could build an enormous business, be making tons of money, and be terminated from the company (get the business taken from you, checks and all) because maybe someone's having a bad day at the company... and there would be nothing you could legally do about it.

That clause alone is enough to make me stay away from the company, because I want my rights protected. I don't mind when P&P's say that you can be terminated if you violate a rule... but one that says you can be terminated for no reason? That's just a little rediculous.

Interestingly, April, most states have at "at-will" employment law, which means exactly the same thing -- they can terminate you anytime for any reason, including the fact that you wore a purple shirt and they don't like purple. So Arbonne's clause ain't all that strange, unfortunately.

April47 · #4 09-20-2006, 02:15 AM

Yeah, but employment is a little different than what is supposed to be "your own business." If I was working a job and got fired for no reason.. then yeah.. I'd be mad; but if I took the time to build my own business and developed personal relationships with my reps, only to have it all ripped out from under me... then to me that would be different. I'd be furious. I just think of network marketing differently than employment. It's more personal.

I suppose you could argue based on the employment type, saying you could develop relationships with clients of the company you're working for, but I'd still say that's different.

I haven't, however, heard of many network marketing companies with this clause... and I would never join a company that has it. Why work your butt off to build something that you're calling your own, if there's a chance you could have it taken away because they don't feel like paying you anymore? Know what I mean?

openQuestion · #5 09-20-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by April47

Yeah, but employment is a little different than what is supposed to be "your own business." If I was working a job and got fired for no reason.. then yeah.. I'd be mad; but if I took the time to build my own business and developed personal relationships with my reps, only to have it all ripped out from under me... then to me that would be different. I'd be furious. I just think of network marketing differently than employment. It's more personal.

I suppose you could argue based on the employment type, saying you could develop relationships with clients of the company you're working for, but I'd still say that's different.

I haven't, however, heard of many network marketing companies with this clause... and I would never join a company that has it. Why work your butt off to build something that you're calling your own, if there's a chance you could have it taken away because they don't feel like paying you anymore? Know what I mean?

Sure, I understand where you coming from. Didn't ACN have a "termination clause" of its own, by the way? I know every company I worked with had one, though they probably all were "for cause"...though I tend to think they could make ANYTHING "cause" if they wanted to do that. But hey, you can always sue, which many folks have done.

Let's face this much: there is a LOT that is out of your hands when you "own" an MLM business. There are comp plan changes. Changes in upper management that affect your business. Changes in products/services, etc. All these things are totally out of your hands. And also, if you do at some point decide to move on to another company, your current company has the right to cut your throat and cut off your income immediately. That is pretty standard in the industry, unfortunately. So "having control" is an illusion at best.

If you own a brick-and-mortar business, though, you have complete control over your own destiny, and the complete control to adjust your business to market conditions. But of course, not everyone can afford to go out on that limb.

April47 · #6 09-20-2006, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

Sure, I understand where you coming from. Didn't ACN have a "termination clause" of its own, by the way? I know every company I worked with had one, though they probably all were "for cause"...though I tend to think they could make ANYTHING "cause" if they wanted to do that. But hey, you can always sue, which many folks have done.

I don't remember ACN having a "terminate at will" clause, although they do have a clause that doesn't allow you to be in other companies, which I don't think is right.

I don't mind when companies list specific things you can be terminated for. For instance if you get customers in ACN by slamming them (putting them on the service without their approval/knowledge), then you can be terminated for that. I think that's fair. In Eniva you can be terminated for selling the product on Ebay (they list it as "any online auctions").

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

Let's face this much: there is a LOT that is out of your hands when you "own" an MLM business. There are comp plan changes. Changes in upper management that affect your business. Changes in products/services, etc. All these things are totally out of your hands. And also, if you do at some point decide to move on to another company, your current company has the right to cut your throat and cut off your income immediately. That is pretty standard in the industry, unfortunately. So "having control" is an illusion at best.

I agree with most of that, although the last part comes with the comp plan. Eniva has a clause that says you may be in other companies as long as you don't cross-recruit (recruit your downline from the other company into Eniva, and vise versa). So they can't terminate you for being in another company, if they did then I guess you'd call your lawyer.. haha. ACN has a clause that says you may NOT be in other companies, so your last few sentences were right when it comes to ACN.

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

If you own a brick-and-mortar business, though, you have complete control over your own destiny, and the complete control to adjust your business to market conditions. But of course, not everyone can afford to go out on that limb.

I agree totally. One thing though, not only does that get expensive.. but people REALLY have to be smart business-wise. You can have all the money in the world to put into your business, but if you don't know how to run a traditional business (deal with inventory, employees, bills, etc) then your business will fail. That's quite the challenge, and something that isn't neccessary in MLM. So I guess they both have their pros and cons, as does everything.

openQuestion · #7 09-22-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by April47

I don't remember ACN having a "terminate at will" clause, although they do have a clause that doesn't allow you to be in other companies, which I don't think is right.

No, it's not right. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to be in more than one company, especially if they are completely different lines of products/services? My ACN upline did get the boot for joining another company, by the way.

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Originally Posted by April47

I don't mind when companies list specific things you can be terminated for. For instance if you get customers in ACN by slamming them (putting them on the service without their approval/knowledge), then you can be terminated for that. I think that's fair. In Eniva you can be terminated for selling the product on Ebay (they list it as "any online auctions").

I agree with that. However, note that when you "own your own business," only YOU can terminate you. That is NOT true in network marketing.

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Originally Posted by April47

I agree with most of that, although the last part comes with the comp plan. Eniva has a clause that says you may be in other companies as long as you don't cross-recruit (recruit your downline from the other company into Eniva, and vise versa). So they can't terminate you for being in another company, if they did then I guess you'd call your lawyer.. haha. ACN has a clause that says you may NOT be in other companies, so your last few sentences were right when it comes to ACN.

Understood.

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Originally Posted by April47

I agree totally. One thing though, not only does that get expensive.. but people REALLY have to be smart business-wise. You can have all the money in the world to put into your business, but if you don't know how to run a traditional business (deal with inventory, employees, bills, etc) then your business will fail. That's quite the challenge, and something that isn't neccessary in MLM. So I guess they both have their pros and cons, as does everything.

Yes, very true.

April47 · #8 09-22-2006, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by openQuestion

I agree with that. However, note that when you "own your own business," only YOU can terminate you. That is NOT true in network marketing.
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Right... but I think that's for the rest of the company's protection. If one rep is doing something that could jeopardize the welfare of the company, in turn hurtin all of the other reps, then I think that one rep SHOULD be terminated so that the reps who are working their businesses correctly don't lose everything. I do understand what you're saying though.

rustupid · #9 09-22-2006, 10:29 PM

Arbonne a PYRAMID SCHEME?

Arbonne, hmmmm. Their products seem reasonably priced. They don't seem to make outrageous claims. So far so good.

What concerns me is... first, reading their on line sales methods you will see that recruiting is a priority. You are expected to try and recruit every product customer. Second, promotion is based on recruiting. This is serious evidence of a possible pyramid scheme.

fladodge, any program that is so focused on recruiting should raise red flags. If you can not make a reasonable income selling the product without recruiting just say no and I mean the products. Not the sales kits and samples people you recruit have to buy. If the primary source of income comes from recruiting and the people they recruit and the people they recruit run like hell. This is a pyramid scheme.

The other thing I noticed on their web site was that they have an "auto ship program". This should set off alarms! If you don't sell products your going to be buying more anyway, automatically!

The other major question you should ask. "If I change my mind can I return the products for a full refund?" If the answer is no run like hell.

From the FTC

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Pyramid schemes now come in so many forms that they may be difficult to recognize immediately. However, they all share one overriding characteristic. They promise consumers or investors large profits based primarily on recruiting others to join their program, not based on profits from any real investment or real sale of goods to the public. Some schemes may purport to sell a product, but they often simply use the product to hide their pyramid structure.

openQuestion · #10 09-24-2006, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by April47

Right... but I think that's for the rest of the company's protection. If one rep is doing something that could jeopardize the welfare of the company, in turn hurtin all of the other reps, then I think that one rep SHOULD be terminated so that the reps who are working their businesses correctly don't lose everything. I do understand what you're saying though.

And I understand your point and agree as well.

fladodge · #11 09-28-2006, 01:27 AM

Thanks, I knew that this, as it has been presented was questionable, I appreciate your insights.

rustupid · #12 09-28-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fladodge

Thanks, I knew that this, as it has been presented was questionable, I appreciate your insights.

When it comes to MLM's... if in doubt, don't!

Helping Hand · #13 10-05-2006, 07:34 AM

I am so sad that people have to make such negative replies, especially when they are uneducated replies. If you do some due diligence you will find that not only is Arbonne not a pyramid scheme, it is one of the most highly regarded MLM companies out there. There are websites that describe what a pyramid scheme is, you should all look at them. As far as your sister in law, you can start your business for $29.00, basically just getting a wholesale account, and you get a free product of your choice with it. If she has spent a lot of money to get started that was her decision, it is not required by the company. Many people have built mega businesses with only that $29.00. Also, regarding that clause you are talking about, every company has a clause to that effect. It is basically to state that if you are doing things that are illegal or harmful that they can't allow you to destroy the integrity of a company. Arbonne has been around for 26 years, pyramid schemes are illegal. Think it over. And most importantly, realize that this type of business is not for everyone and that's okay, but please don't rip apart something you know nothing about. It only degrades you, not the company.

Duck98 · #14 10-05-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

I am so sad that people have to make such negative replies, especially when they are uneducated replies. If you do some due diligence you will find that not only is Arbonne not a pyramid scheme, it is one of the most highly regarded MLM companies out there. There are websites that describe what a pyramid scheme is, you should all look at them. As far as your sister in law, you can start your business for $29.00, basically just getting a wholesale account, and you get a free product of your choice with it. If she has spent a lot of money to get started that was her decision, it is not required by the company. Many people have built mega businesses with only that $29.00. Also, regarding that clause you are talking about, every company has a clause to that effect. It is basically to state that if you are doing things that are illegal or harmful that they can't allow you to destroy the integrity of a company. Arbonne has been around for 26 years, pyramid schemes are illegal. Think it over. And most importantly, realize that this type of business is not for everyone and that's okay, but please don't rip apart something you know nothing about. It only degrades you, not the company.

I always find it interesting that shills for MLms try to pass off criticism as being found on ignorance.

Actually the opposite is true - people who shill for MLMs on boards like this do not understand, at all, the "business" they are involved in. They come on and repeat the same old tired arguments that they received at one of their "meetings" and think that they are actually dealing with criticism.

All your posting shows is that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you did you would realize that there are a LOT of ex Arbonne people out there with genuine and germane criticisms of this tawdry recruitment pyramid.

That you are not even aware of the pyramidcal structure and behavior of this "business" says volumes about you.

Helping Hand · #15 10-05-2006, 10:39 PM

Wow, you really are an angry individual. That's okay if you feel this way. You definitely have a right to your opinion. In the meantime, me and all the other people in the world who have a clear understanding of this (including Robert Kyosaki, Warren Buffet, Shad Helmstetter, Chris Widener, John Maxwell, Donald Trump, just to name a few) will all be basking in our summer homes and swimming pools while you're still posting as many negative things as you can come up with. If the business didn't work for you it only means it either wasn't the right choice for you, the right time, or you didn't do what you were taught. I really feel sorry for you that you're so angry. Again, I suggest you educate yourself about schemes because you're really embarrasing yourself by not knowing what you're talking about. Nobody on this site wants to hear you complain and whine because you're not successful and you want to blame it on numerous companies. I hope that your life gets better. Only you can change your attitude. For the other people reading this, just realize that there are always going to be negative opinions about everything and that's okay. But the best thing to do is do your own due diligence, meet the people involved, visit reputable websites, read good books. Approach this with an adult, business mind and find the right company or business for you.

Helping Hand · #16 10-05-2006, 10:42 PM

Oh and by the way, if you're going to try to be profound and cry and moan, at least learn to spell correctly.
And again, I'm sure there are people that feel as though this is a pyramid. It's actually a rectangle but I understand your simplicity. A corporate structure is about the most pyramid shaped business you can be in. Not only that, in Arbonne you can pass your sponsor so there's no way it can be a pyramid. I'd be glad to educate you on this if it's too difficult for you to figure out.

SynikReturns · #17 10-05-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by April47

Yeah, but employment is a little different than what is supposed to be "your own business." If I was working a job and got fired for no reason.. then yeah.. I'd be mad; but if I took the time to build my own business and developed personal relationships with my reps, only to have it all ripped out from under me... then to me that would be different. I'd be furious. I just think of network marketing differently than employment. It's more personal.

I suppose you could argue based on the employment type, saying you could develop relationships with clients of the company you're working for, but I'd still say that's different.

I haven't, however, heard of many network marketing companies with this clause... and I would never join a company that has it. Why work your butt off to build something that you're calling your own, if there's a chance you could have it taken away because they don't feel like paying you anymore? Know what I mean?

"......your own business." LOL...yeah...you own your own business!....try carrying another line.

Helping Hand · #18 10-05-2006, 11:00 PM

I appreciate your opinion, you make good points. What I meant about the corporate world is that there is always a person at the topn, then people below them, them people below them, etc. Most if not all of the people at the bottom will never get to the top, because it's a pyramid. Also, every company has some clause, they have to. This doesn't mean that they are just going to randomly kick someone out of the company to get their jollies, it's not financially smart to do that. I think you all are focusing on the wrong things here.
I'm not saying that everyone should agree that MLM is the way to go, it's definitely not for everyone. I'm just saying that if advice is being given, trying to stick to facts not attention getting antics or emotional outbursts.
Thank you for your mature reply.

April47 · #19 10-05-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SynikReturns

"......your own business." LOL...yeah...you own your own business!....try carrying another line.

If you'll notice... in my post, I put it in quotations. Take one guess what that means.

Helping Hand · #20 10-05-2006, 11:08 PM

That's your reply?

April47 · #21 10-05-2006, 11:10 PM

helping hand... not every post in this thread is directed towards you... just so you know. My reply was to SynikReturns, whom I quoted in my post... and yes, that was my reply.

Unlucky36 · #22 10-05-2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:Again, I suggest you educate yourself about schemes because you're really embarrasing yourself by not knowing what you're talking about. Nobody on this site wants to hear you complain and whine because you're not successful and you want to blame it on numerous companies. I hope that your life gets better. Only you can change your attitude.

Advice to helping hand: Reading some of your quotes tells me exactly what kind of person you actually are. People on here are NOT blaming everything on companies. If you're scammed you're scammed!! Bottom line! I HOPE THAT YOUR LIFE GET'S BETTER? A quote from earlier: A typical MLMer quote. Hmmmm I'm sure you're life is sooooooo great that the only way you can feel good about yourself is to put others down. What makes the industry so sick is attitudes like you. People whine and complain because they were misled or dicked in the ass!! Remember when you start pointing the finger, they point right back at ya! Best of luck in your MLM :rolleyes:

Helping Hand · #23 10-05-2006, 11:14 PM

No need to get angry, thanks for letting me know that. I've never posted before and there is a learning curve, thanks for pointing it out though. I think we're both trying to take a good opinion here or at least an adult one. Let's keep it on the positive :)

April47 · #24 10-05-2006, 11:16 PM

who's getting angry?

Unlucky36 · #25 10-05-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

No need to get angry, thanks for letting me know that. I've never posted before and there is a learning curve, thanks for pointing it out though. I think we're both trying to take a good opinion here or at least an adult one. Let's keep it on the positive :)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Helping Hand · #26 10-05-2006, 11:19 PM

Wow unlucky36, I'm sorry you're so mad at me for trying to give information. As I said before, everyone has a right to their opinion, I certainly am not trying to offend you. I'm just suggesting that people research facts instead basing choices on unhappy people's opinions.As far as a typical MLM response, it's actually quite a common phrase used by the general public. I am really sorry that me trying to help people out and having a positive attitude really makes people sick. You are more than welcome to have a negative attitude, that's completely your decision. But I don't think that someone who is not complaining on a site is such an awful thing. If it will make you feel better I'm sure I could complain about something. Maybe that life is hard enough that we don't need people constantly complaining!!!!

Helping Hand · #27 10-05-2006, 11:20 PM

Sorry April47. That wasn't to you (the angry statement)

April47 · #28 10-05-2006, 11:39 PM

oh okay... I don't really think Unlucky was angry either though.

But, you have to remember that you are posting on scam.com.

I understand you are here to stick up for your company and you have every right to do so. I would do the same if someone were bashing mine, but some people on here do have legitimate reasons for disliking a certain company. Then there are people who hate the entire industry who are just here to bash it. You have to pick your battles with those people because nothing you say will change their minds.

I really don't like it when people come on here and start implying that everyone who is complaining is doing so because they didn't work and were unsuccessful. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but it's quotes like this:

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Nobody on this site wants to hear you complain and whine because you're not successful and you want to blame it on numerous companies.

that remind me of that. Just remember that everyone has their own story. You're going to meet some great people on this site, just as you have in Arbonne. Just remember to take your own advice and find out WHY people are complaining or are negative instead of jumping to the conclusion that it's because they didn't succeed.

and welcome to the forum. You seem like a nice person.

Just for the record, I don't think your company is a bad company. I actually have a friend in Arbonne. I just don't agree with their "terminate at will" clause in the policies & procedures, and I would be scared to get involved with a company that has that clause.

Duck98 · #29 10-05-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

Oh and by the way, if you're going to try to be profound and cry and moan, at least learn to spell correctly.
And again, I'm sure there are people that feel as though this is a pyramid. It's actually a rectangle but I understand your simplicity. A corporate structure is about the most pyramid shaped business you can be in. Not only that, in Arbonne you can pass your sponsor so there's no way it can be a pyramid. I'd be glad to educate you on this if it's too difficult for you to figure out.

oh wow - that is the best you managed to come up with? Roflmao!!!

Boy you can spot a shill on the run the minute they start bleating about typos and trying to brag about what they "will" have.

As for being educated by you - oh, I doubt that you have anything worth teaching anyone - especially as you seem to think that Arbonne is anything other than a pyramidical recruiting MLM.

I would suggest you run off back to your corner and look over all those glossy little mags that you got that show you how the people above you are spending the money you are sending to them. Then you can play quietly with yourself while telling yourself that you really are going to make it.

Unlucky36 · #30 10-05-2006, 11:43 PM

Quote from April47: I really don't like it when people come on here and start implying that everyone who is complaining is doing so because they didn't work and were unsuccessful

Thank you April, that makes all the sense in the world. Most of those people worked hard and tried to succeed. Keep up the good work in Eniva :)

April47 · #31 10-06-2006, 12:00 AM

thank you, Unlucky :)

Unlucky36 · #32 10-06-2006, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by April47

thank you, Unlucky :)

You're welcome ;)

spelling police · #33 05-22-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

Oh and by the way, if you're going to try to be profound and cry and moan, at least learn to spell correctly.
And again, I'm sure there are people that feel as though this is a pyramid. It's actually a rectangle but I understand your simplicity. A corporate structure is about the most pyramid shaped business you can be in. Not only that, in Arbonne you can pass your sponsor so there's no way it can be a pyramid. I'd be glad to educate you on this if it's too difficult for you to figure out.

Helping hand,

If you are going to attempt cracks at people about their spelling, look at your post, it's embarrassing, not "embarrasing"!!

connect-4 · #34 07-02-2007, 09:37 AM

Hello there everyone! I joined this thread because I am just embarking on my Arbonne journey, and I thought I would share the experience with you. So, to begin... I have been affiliated with Arbonne since the 5th of May. I do love the products I purchased, and I think they work "BETTER" than their claims.

I am having a REAL difficult time booking parties (aka skin care classes). My upline is very helpful and a "there for you" kind of group. I have a skin care class scheduled for this Saturday, and one of my upliners has shared with me a way to get 3-4 bookings or classes from just one party. SOOOOO... I will keep you posted on how everything goes this Saturday.

I hope everyone has a good week! :-)

denvercogirl · #35 07-02-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by connect-4

Hello there everyone! I joined this thread because I am just embarking on my Arbonne journey, and I thought I would share the experience with you. So, to begin... I have been affiliated with Arbonne since the 5th of May. I do love the products I purchased, and I think they work "BETTER" than their claims.

I am having a REAL difficult time booking parties (aka skin care classes). My upline is very helpful and a "there for you" kind of group. I have a skin care class scheduled for this Saturday, and one of my upliners has shared with me a way to get 3-4 bookings or classes from just one party. SOOOOO... I will keep you posted on how everything goes this Saturday.

I hope everyone has a good week! :-)

I wish you the best. I do love their products, they are excellent.

Duck98 · #36 07-02-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

Oh and by the way, if you're going to try to be profound and cry and moan, at least learn to spell correctly.

Why? I don't care that much about you or your company to bother checking the spelling. You managed to read it all did you not? Or did you need some pictures?

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And again, I'm sure there are people that feel as though this is a pyramid. It's actually a rectangle but I understand your simplicity. A corporate structure is about the most pyramid shaped business you can be in.

ROFLMAO!!! You got that from your upline!! OMG you don't even have an original argument of your own.

It is strange how you MLMers always manage to get bamboozled by this "pyramid" thing - I realize that your upline, of course, probably made a big deal of the "every company is a pyramid shape" and you probably sighed with admiration at their 'insight'.

There is a world of difference between pyramid shape and pyramid scheme. I know that your upline knows that - it is apparent from your rather dumb posting that you do not.

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Not only that, in Arbonne you can pass your sponsor so there's no way it can be a pyramid. I'd be glad to educate you on this if it's too difficult for you to figure out.

Just as soon as you manage to show that you have grasped the difference between the two words

"shape" and "scheme"

It would appear from your last paragraph that you have yet to actually managed that.

Allow me to give you some guidance

a pyramid scheme is a entity that is designed to move money from the lowest to the highest in the structure and does it by emphasizing recruitment over retail sales. The more suckers you can draw into the scheme, the more you get paid.

A pyramid shape describes anything which exhibits a three sided 2 dimensional structure or a four sided three dimensional one.

Give it a whirl, if you get a big enough box of crayons and your special ed teacher gives you enough time, you may just figure it out.

I doubt it.

fish_named_elephant · #37 07-04-2007, 06:19 AM

Hey half of my family is involved in it and none of them has seen an money what so ever. One of them sold 1000 dollars of it and she didn't see a dime. So it's a great product but they don't have there system set up right just yet.

RichRoane · #38 09-01-2007, 01:21 AM

youporn is where you need to look for info.

djbombsquad · #39 09-01-2007, 01:27 AM

There product is not the best. I saw a apple compareson of the top major skin care companys including mlm and non mlm and The claims of having nutrients in there product are false. The apple went bad with in 2 days. Showing how there claim for antixodiation is false.

Daniel_Shop · #40 09-01-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Helping Hand

Wow, you really are an angry individual. That's okay if you feel this way. You definitely have a right to your opinion. In the meantime, me and all the other people in the world who have a clear understanding of this (including Robert Kyosaki, Warren Buffet, Shad Helmstetter, Chris Widener, John Maxwell, Donald Trump, just to name a few) will all be basking in our summer homes and swimming pools while you're still posting as many negative things as you can come up with. ..

that was great man! clapping hands

The truth is: Kiyo, warren or whatever, they don't buy this stuff. They sell this stuff :D

univerajeff · #41 10-08-2007, 08:39 AM

Hi, I'm also in networking (Calif.) an Arbonne is legit company (1 Bil.) based in Irvine. I do know someone in Arbonne and its work - like anything else.

Jeff

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Originally Posted by fladodge

Hi all Scam.Commers,
I have a dilemma - my sister in law has jumped in head first into a MLM and has spent a bundle of money and committed more, now she is trying to solicit other members of our family to join in, does anyone have any information on the Arbonne line of products or any experience with the company. I would be very grateful for any input, as I believe that if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Thanks